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washington, and we begin with the executive privilege tug of war over a batch of sealed documents related to the insurrection. former president trump doesn't want them to see the light of day, and he's sure to air his grievances when he speaks at a rally in iowa tonight. but it's not his thing anymore and president joe biden is refusing to excerpt executive privilege to keep the documents under wraps. this sooems to lead to a show down. the investigation is zeroing in on four close trump associates, dan ska sereno has been served with a subpoena, the former presidential aid to donald trump had been mia earlier this week, mark meadows and caand kash pat is cooperating. but there is a hold out, steve
bannon will not cooperate saying the executive privileges belong to president trump. so let's go to arlette signs in wilmington, delaware. what does the white house have to say about this assertion that trump still holds this power of executive privilege. i assume they disagree with it but i'm curious how long the battle can play out? >> reporter: the white house argues these are executive order circumstances and that president biden wants to ensure that the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection has all the documents and information it needs. so president biden decided not to assert executive privilege over those trump administration documents. that the former president, president trump, is trying to do. the white house council, dana' pus sent a letter to the national archives outlining the reasoning she wrote in part the constitutional protections of
executive privilege should not be used to shield from congress or the public information that reflects a clear and apparent effort to subvert the constitution itself. a reference to efforts to overturn the election. and white house press secretary jen psaki echoed that sentiment as well. >> there are moments throughout history where presidents and white houses have asserted executive privilege we will continue to evaluate those on a case by case basis, but this committee is investigating a dark day in our democracy, an attempt to undermine our constitution and democratic processes by the former president. and that context i think is important here too. >> reporter: now she would not say what kind of documents this might include, whether it's phone records or visitors logs but it's worth noting this decision applies just to an initial set of documents that were submitted to the biden white house and former president trump's attorneys in early
september. the white house has said they are reviewing other documents and that decisions will be made on a case by case basis. but this all sets up a possible legal fight between the biden white house and the former president, many legal experts argue that the decisions over executive privilege sit with the current president, not the former. but it's totally expected that the former president will try to fight this. but bottom line what the biden white house has tried to argue is they want to provide as much information as possible to the house select committee as they're trying to get to the bottom of what transpired around the january 6th insurrection. >> all right, arlette signs, thank you so much for that. joining me now republican strategist alice stuart and white house washington bureau chief april ryan. the white house trying to assert privilege over the documents, obviously no surprise, he says it's about defending the office
of the presidency, also it's about saving his own skin. but it seems like this is really just a ploy for time, it's a delay tactic to see how long we can drag it out. >> the key with executive privilege is it applies to the executive and he's no longer the executive. it does apply to joe biden and the president -- current president is not going along with it. and this is similar, in my view to not releasing his tax returns and he does not want people to know what he does not want people to know and he doesn't want this information to get out. but what we know is going to happen, as you say, i think they'll slow roll this, in the hopes of the republicans taking over the house and senate next year and being able to dismantle the investigation. the problem from a communication standpoint, rule number one with a crisis, you get it out, get it over and get on with policy. and all the time we're talking about this, we're not talking about the important policies
that unite the republican policy. >> april, we're just getting to the point where they're threatening, you know, criminal referrals and whatnot if steve bannon doesn't comply with this and we're nine months after the january 6th insurrection. it's not a stretch to imagine this could play out for months and the democrats could just run out of time. >> the bottom line is, run out of time because we have elections coming. >> right. >> there could be a shift in washington on these -- well, on one end of pennsylvania avenue for now. but we have to look at this, steve bannon is that man who stood by president trump at that time, he was the de facto president, if you will, they were in lock step. we shouldn't be surprised that steve bannon is not offering to talk. what is it snitches get stitches? he doesn't want that repercussion from the trump base to come after him like they've gone after vice president pence. but there is something there. i think about a conversation i
had early on, nine months ago, with congresswoman eddie bernice johnson. she was walking in the halls that day and she ran into someone, after she voted, ran into someone who was lost, who was supposed to be with the group. and she said, young man, how did you get here? he said my trip was paid for. something is there. and she said after that she ran into her office. there is something there. >> and alice, you would think republicans would be outraged by this, trying to impede an investigation into an domestic terror attack in which police officers were harmed and killed in some cases. why is that not the case? >> it is the case. there are a lot of republicans -- traditional republicans, myself included, going back to the election. they did not belief there was widespread voter fraud, they believe joe biden was the duly elected president, they did not support the notion to contest the electoral college votes and did not support inciting the
insurrection. and republicans are frustrated by that. it's part of the reason we lost the two senate seats in georgia. behind the scenes traditional republicans would like to see this get discussed, the questions be answered and let's put this behind us. because we know we have the wind at our sail with all the policy failures of the biden administration and the disarray amongst the democrats, republicans need to take this opportunity to unite together on policies and put january 6th in the rear view mirror. >> last night bill maher had a bleak prediction for the 2024 election. let's talk about it. it does raise eyebrows. >> even if they win, trump won't accept it. but this time his claims of illegal voting by immigrants or mail-in ballots coming in after the deadline or the system was hacked or whatever giuliani comes up with on the fly.
they will be embraced by the stooges he's installed right now. what happens when two presidential candidates show up on inauguration day both expecting to be sworn in like a bad sitcom pilot. the dingdongs who sacked the capital last year, that was like when al qaeda tried to take down the world trade center the first time with a van, it was a joke. but the next time they came back with planes. i hope i scared the [bleep] out of you. >> what do you think, april? >> he did scare the fecal material out of me. it is a real concept that could actually happen. you have a man, donald john trump, who is an entertainer, who does not have a grasp of history and truth. who is pandering to a large swath of this nation who believes that he is like them. what is it, familiarity makes
you like someone. they feel that they are him and he is them. and it's not the case. they ran out on his behest and others on january 6th, almost took down the capitol, our leadership, the nation's leadership. imagine what they will do the next time at his behest. there is a difference in america, america's foundation has been shaken and it's scary. even if joe biden -- you have states now talking about we still need to go certify and audit. it's over. >> the arizona audit confirmed that biden won the election. >> by more points than before. but the reality is -- >> is that a plausible scenario, alice, do you think? >> no, that's not going to happen. >> i didn't want to believe that january 6th would happen, but look what happened. >> the republican party realizes we need to unite behind the fact that we have free and fair elections. there are certain states that
are taking an opposing view. but republicans are rallying behind the idea that we have the policies on our side. there are so many areas with the current administration, afghanistan, the border, the jobs report. so many areas we can focus on, and january 6th, for many of us, we realize that's a core part of the republican party, donald trump's base relies behind that but we understand we have to grow. >> not everybody understands it -- >> you have a lot of marjorie taylor greenes out there. >> you wouldn't have so many primary candidates trying to primary these republicans in various states and districts, you know, knocking folks out because they have trump's backing. >> larry elder, california, come on. with the recall. >> i'm talking about in terms of big picture, midterm elections and certainly in 2024, the party realizes that we lost the house, the senate and the white house, under trump's tone and tenor,
that is not a winning playbook moving forward. in order to regain these valuable seats, many realize that we have to use a different playbook next time. >> all right. alice and april, thank you so much. we appreciate it. coming up the man hunt for brian laundrie and details about his parents' interaction with police. that's next. ormula it doesn't settle into your lines age perfect foundation by l'oreal paris we are worth it before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new? -audrey's expecting... -twins! ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan. sustainability is essential to creating a better tomorrow. that's why cisco is committed to achieving net zero emissions by 2040. and we believe our smart buildings solutions can help. providing power to reduce emissions,
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weeks searching a swampy and gator infested florida nature reserve for brian laundrie and there are questions whether the entire search has been in vain. not only have they found zero signs of him in the reserve but the only reason they centered their search there was at the direction of his parents, the same couple who refused to talk to police when gabby petito went missing. nadia is outside the family's home. what do we know about the
interaction between the laundries and police at this point? >> that first police interaction, one of the first we learned about, made ip vest gaiters have some suspicions. she was reported missing on september 11th. and police came here because that's where she was living before the trip outwest. when they arrested, they said they weren't going to answer any questions about gabby petito instead they handed police officers a business card of their attorney. so they weren't going to answer any questions. it was at that point investigators said they were a bit suspicious and they started to surveil brian laundrie at that time. but when gabby petito was reported missing and when brian laundrie went missing himself, there's a bit of a time line that's a little hard to understand, confusing, because the parents told investigators
that brian laundrie went missing on the 14th, the last day they saw and heard from them. then this week they said, no, it was the day before on september 13th. so cnn, we asked brian laundrie's family if if they were going to take a polygraph test to see if they're telling the truth or not about the different timelines and dates and their story and the attorney said not at this time. so all of -- everything that we have right now, all of the evidence or lack of evidence, or the direction that the investors are going to right now is all because of what the parents told them, that their son went missing on september 14th, wait, no, now the 13th, and that he went to karlton reserve and chris laundrie went with them to show them the areas his son likesed to go. we're told the water is now receding a little bit, it was
waist deep water, gators, snakes, it was a dangerous place to be. now that the water has receded it's giving investigators an opportunity to go out and search for brian laundrie but we don't have any evidence that he was there, only the word of his parents. >> i mean, the guy goes for a walk in the carlton reserve, not wanted for a crime, i mean, what are we supposed to do? we're going to go tree to tree following him back through the woods? you know, it just wasn't there with the information we had in this case. >> and that was north port police officer spokesperson there talking about how they didn't have any legal grounds to arrest brian laundrie or to really surveil him anymore than they had before they found gabby petito's body in wyoming and realized she was dead. then they started more of an investigation looking into brian laundrie but when they were
initially surveilling him, there was no body, no crime, and they couldn't do more. now, of course, the fbi is in charge of this investigation. >> nadia thank you so much. here to discuss all of this, jim clement. also a writer, producer for "criminal minds" on cbs. as we heard police say brian laundrie's parents are the only ones directing the search to the florida nature preserve. we saw his father out there at one point assisting police by pointing out brian's favorite trails but they found no physical evidence we're told that brian laundrie was ever in that reserve. and considering the amount of controversy surrounding his parents do you think police should be taking tips from them? >> unfortunately, jim, i think that's the only source they have. so they have to rely on something. the fact that they're searching and they haven't found anything yet, it doesn't bode well for him being found or found alive anyway, in that location.
however i think he had plenty of time to get away to other locations, as i said before. i think he could have made it to the appalachian trail and hidden somewhere along there in a cave, ravine or in a tent off the trail. but i think they need to keep looking where they have a report of him last being located. and that is the game preserve. >> right. do you think -- i mean, what's your sense at this point? do we even know if he's still alive? we don't know that, do we? >> no, we don't know that. i don't think he went there to take his life. i think he is a scrappy guy. i think he is used to being out in the wilderness and i think he's probably still alive if he's out there. i think the parents and their behavior has been quite problematic. there's a number of things they've done that really, i don't know, sent up red flags. having a lawyer as a buffer when
they themselves are not at all at legal risk, as far as anyone knows, that's unusual. as well as them not participating in the investigation, not cooperating with respect to gabby's death. only with respect to trying to find brian. and not making a public plea to have brian turn himself in, i think it's a flimsy excuse to say he's he's still in the game preserve. they haven't made the pleas when they have press in front of their door every day. >> it makes you wonder how large the area is and why they haven't ruled it out and moved on to something else. let's play a clip from an interview that gabby petito's parents and stepparents gave this week. in it they explained how brian laundrie's parents responded when they found out gabby was missing. >> you all called? >> yes. i can't tell you how many times.
>> you called and he called. >> yes. >> what did you get? >> nothing. voice mail. >> and i would send texts on top of that. >> no response. >> one i was going to call the police just letting you know. a normal parent, when you text someone that they're going to call the cops because you can't find your child, they would reply. >> nothing. >> no response, no nothing. >> what do you think about that, jim? >> it's very disturbing. why would they be so silent? gabby lived with them for a time. it wasn't like she was just somebody their son was seeing. she lived there. in their home. and they seem to have absolutely no concern at that point for her well being. it's really problematic. >> and do the parents need to take a polygraph test, in your view? is that appropriate? can that happen at this point in the investigation? >> it's absolutely appropriate. i think if they continue to
refuse, as they have at this point, they could be brought in front of a grand jury, and they could be compelled to testify. and that's something, i think, that the fbi is considering. and maybe just waiting to see what happens with the search for brian before they do that. >> we're still learning new details about the timeline of the case, the family attorney has revealed that brian briefly flew home to florida in august, left five days after and then returned shortly after gabby petito was last scene. brian flew home to empty a storage unit to save money. he alleged stayed in -- gabby petito allegedly stayed in a hotel while he was gone. sounds convoluted, what do you make of it? >> it is interesting. his behavior obviously is raising red flags all over the place. i know he's not a named suspect in gabby's death. but i think his behavior coupled with the behavior of his parents
likely indicates some kind of connection, between brian and gabby's death. >> and let's switch gears, and let me ask you about this new development involving the zodiac killer investigation. an independent group said they've identified him. it's fascinating. they claim they have physical and forensic evidence that the infamous serial killer was a man who died in 2018. you've conducted investigations into suspects in this decades old case, what do you make of the latest claim that the case may have been solved? sf what do you think? >> i think the fbi's statement is very definitive. they say the case remains open and unsolved. i don't think they would have done that if this had been a verified suspect in this case. i think, at this point, the fbi will not make a statement that the case is solved until there's
enough evidence to actually present at a trial. whether the suspect is alive or dead. they won't do that. and i know that they have been us using gennettic genealogy to solve a number of cold cases. i'm sure the zodiac case is one they're working on now, that may be why they made the statement. however, this group of law enforcement, like others, believe they solved the case. but this has happened before and all the other attempts have washed out. >> thanks so much, appreciate it as always. coming up a potential milestone in the u.s. covid surge, is the country finally turning a corner? how close are we to shots for kids as young as the age of 5? we'll ask one of our medical experts. which is a lot.
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university. do you think we're turning a corner? too soon to say that? what do you think? >> i hope we're turning a corner and we've seen encouraging numbers from many states but there are other states just seeing the surges from delta. i feel if we've learned anything during the pandemic we've been trying to say it's over since easter of 2020 and the virus keeps coming back again so it is far too early to take that victory lap. there's a lot between here and there. we have to get more people vaccinated. we have the cold weather coming we know the virus spreads more easily when people are indoors and in the cold weather and we have to get the rest of the globe vaccinated because we have a lot of folks getting sick across the world and there's a chance of new variants yet to come. >> i was hoping to breathe a sigh of relief but i know it's too early to do that. pfizer announced this week, it's seeking emergency authorization for its vaccine in kids 5 to 11. if authorized it would be the
first vaccine for younger kids. what timeline are we looking at and what level of vaccination do we need for it to make a difference in the 5 to 11 age group, and i suppose it'll bump up that fully vaccinated number, which would be nice. >> i have a kid in that age range and i was hoping to get him vaccinated by halloween but at this point, given when they're meeting, we're not looking until early to mid november. the other important thing to know is that the dosing for these younger kids is going to be different from the dosing for teens and for adults. so the pharmacies are going to have to get the new viles in and get used to the new dosing protocols as well. i'm telling most people to expect your kids will be eligible for vaccination before thanksgiving with a caution they'll only have gotten the first dose in.
before we get to the holidays, christmas, hanukkah, most will have the chance to have been fully vaccinated. which helps with our overall numbers across the country and helps stop community spread, keep schools open, and move closer to the end game where we're not talking about covid every day any longer. >> they'll have to stock up on lollipops and stickers, too. we have to reward the kids for getting the shots. doctor, fda vaccine advisers are meeting next week to discuss moderna and johnson & johnson application for booster shots. right now pfizer is the only approved under emergency use for the booster. what do you expect will happen at the meeting and will we see the boosters from moderna and j j&j soon? i want to know immediately. >> i expect we'll see a booster
within the same general category as we had for pfizer so six months out from that first shot or first series of shots and for age 65 plus as well as higher risk people in the younger age c categories, if you have received moderna or j&j, you're still pretty well protected they seem to be holding up better than pfizer against the delta variant. if you are not six months from the shot you should not rush out to get a booster. it will not do as much good as if you wait longer for the booster. the other thing i'm keeping my eye on is the mix and match boosters which many of us have been talking about. there are studies, if you got j&j and then you can get moderna or pfizer and vice versa. it may actually be stronger immunity. waiting to see what the fda has to say on that.
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the 2020 presidential election and the new york mayoral election this year. he's now the ford party. joining us is the democrat turned independent and now hopeful third party. you know what the critics are saying, this is a bit of sour grapes you lost in the presidential race, in the primary there, and up in new york city, and that's why you're starting this third party, the forward party. which as you know can hurt democrats and help trump. what do you say to those criticisms? >> jim, right now we can sense that polarization is getting worse and worse, political stress is literally at civil war levels and the incentives are driving us in that direction. so what we need to do is actually fix the system that is driving us crazy and pitting us against each other, by opening up the primaries and installing
ranked choice voting in states around the country because it needs to happen in red and blue states alike. it's likely to be done led by someone who's an independent. people know it takes about a year to write a book, so it would be difficult for me to somehow farmormulated this just over the last number of weeks, i've been thinking about this for quite some time. >> i remember all too well, andrew, your motto that was on your lapel pin, math, make america think harder. if you do the math, say you run for president in 2024 you would likely cut into the sporupport a democratic contender and if donald trump is running on the republican ticket you would help make him president again? >> first we should be focused on 2022, a lot of great still to be done. but for people concerned about the spoiler effect what you just
described jim, we need a system to allow different points of view to emerge. first ranked choice voting gets rid of what you just said. and it gets rid of the extreme. if republicans used it during the process in 2016, donald trump probably never becomes president because his support was greater than other candidates but below 51% so it will restore sanity and reasonableness to the country. >> i hear what you're saying but if i can press you on that just a little bit. you know what happens, for example, the 2000 election with ralph nater, you've seen what's happened in other election, jill stein, for example, in 2016, there is that potential if you were to run again you could play the spoiler. isn't that just true? that's just true, right? >> again, that's why we need to be focused on the 2022 races.
to open up the primaries and have better incentives for our leaders. and the biggest example of this is in alaska where senator lisa murkowski was the only republican senator to vote to impeach donald trump and is up for re-election next year. why did she do this? she did it in part because in alaska they have open primaries and ranked choice voting. imagine next fall unlocking let's call it a dozen senators or legislators from the incentives where they're tied to the extreme. that's where my attention is and where all of us should be focused. >> i won't keep hammering you on the spoiler thing. in your book you write about your experience running for president and say the people around me treated me as a celebrity or a product that hundreds of staffers were focused on selling and everyone in my orbit started treating me like i might be a presidential contender. i was getting a crash course in how we treat the very powerful.
and it was weird. let's talk about that. what came out of that? >> i wanted to give some people insight into what our process actually is, jim. and the fact is, our process does not bring out the best in people. it's one reason why good people don't go into politics. it's one reason why if you are a reasonable person you get thrust into this position where your incentives push and pull you in different ways. and that's what's wrong with our political system right now. if someone gets elected into office they have to listen to the 20% most extreme voters who determine whether they're going to keep their job. so i was trying to share my story so people understand that this system is not designed to succeed. that's what we have to change. >> it is producing some candidates we might be better off without, no question about it. but i want to ask you, andrew, you're talking about fixing the system and talking about bringing better people into the political process.
i have to ask you about an interview you did with tucker carlson, it took a bizarre turn when tucker brought up the uni bomber. i want to play this and bring it up. >> ted kazinski has written on this, uni bomber, his argument is that large organizations over time morph into purely self preservation projects like a big system in the end protects itself and that's all it does so our two party system is certainly in that category. there are so many barriers to starting a viable third party. it hasn't been done. why can you do it? >> i'd love to go into the history and background a bit, which you probably know better than i do. >> andrew, i just have to ask, tucker carlson, i mean, i -- let's just say he's just a bad person. and he represents so much of
what is wrong on -- in television news these days. you know this all too well. he spouts off white nationalist talking points. so why would you even go on his show? and why didn't you go after him when he's citing the uni bomber and talking just crazy stuff? >> one of the things we have to do, jim, is try and take the temperature of the country down. the only way to do that is to reach out to people where they are. as you know, tucker commands a massive audience. if you wanted to try to build a unifying popular movement that does call attention to the fact that our system is not working really for anyone, you know, you have to again reach out, and that's what i was doing on that show. i mean, the goal is to have republicans who are discontent to channel their discontent in a positive way. and right now in my view it's not going in a positive direction. i'd like to help change that. >> you think you can bring some
of tucker's viewers into the forward party. is that what you were trying to do there? >> i had a volunteer, who said she'd been helping my campaigns for the last couple years and her republican father had never taken an interest and i was on tucker's program and all of a sudden he calls her and says, tell me more. i think that's the only way we're going to get through this time. we sense we're teetering towards some version of a new civil war and political violence. and unfortunately the incentives are going to make that more likely, not less likely over time. unless we have a dramatic shift in dynamic. that's what i'm trying to provide with the forward party. it's going to reach out to every american with political alignments. >> so much to talk about, maybe we can get you back on another time. author of the book "forward, notes on our democracy" thank you for coming on appreciate it. >> jim, thanks for having me.
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