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imagine that. at this hour with kate baldwin starts right now . hello, everyone. i'm kate baldwin. another miss, the jobs report, disapointsing. off the mark by hundreds of thousands of jobs. president biden set to speak on this this hour. economic calamity avoided for now. the senate extends the debt ceiling avoiding a disastrous default, but only for weeks. and is democrats still can't agree on their ambitious spending programs. and rounding the corner, positive signs on covid, more positive signs. fewer case, more vaccinations, mandates pushing more people to get the shot. but those same mandates are forcing some people to choose between the shot and their job.
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thank you for being here. at this hour, we're standing by to hear from president biden. set to deliver his first public remarks on the september jobs report just out. and it was a major disappointment. the report showed the u.s. economy added just 194,000 jobs last month. some economists actually expected it to be more than twice that number. a report is even worse than the last disappointment, which was just the month before. both below what was expected, both raising real questions about what is happening in this recovery. the new report will likely put even more pressure on the president to push his economic agenda through congress, which remains dead locked over the size, the scope, the details of these massive spending plans. it also adds a new wrinkle for the federal reserve, which is trying to boost the labor market while also keeping inflation in check this comes as congress
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recovers from one bruising fight already having to braice for th same one coming up next. the senate voted last night to extend the debt ceiling, but only for two months. and senators on both sides are fuming over majority leader chuck schumer's comments following the vote. we'll have more on that in a moment. let's start with john harwood, live at the white house. john, this is a day i'm always happy you're available for us because of your ebs per tees. the president is soon to lay out what this jobs report means, at least from his perspective. what do you expect to hear from him? >> reporter: kate, first thing i expect to hear is a ascribing the disappointing jobs report, in large part, to the impact of the coronavirus. the pandemic is in control of this economic recovery. the delta variant was surging at the time when this unemployment report data was gathered.
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so the president will talk about the need to enhance the vaccination regime. he's been pushing mandatory vaccinations, both for the federal government and private employers. i would also expect the president, as you indicated, to make the case for his economic program to tell the american people this is why congress has to move ahead on this build back better agenda, and that's precisely what the labor secretary said on cnn a few minutes ago. >> i would hope that members of congress and members of the senate today look at this jobs report and see where the shortfalls are and understand these investments that the president wants to make in these areas will have long-term, lasting, positive impacts on our economy moving forward. >> reporter: there were some positive signs in the report. en employment was down to 4.8%. those employed were working more hours. wages were up, although the inflation that you mentioned is eroding the value of those worker wages. but overall, this just makes the
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case that the pandemic, controlling the pandemic is the key to restarting the economy and president biden needs to get his agenda on track to build long-term economic prosperity, as he sees it and as he's trying to get democrats to come along with him. >> john is going to stick around as we are standing by to hear from the president. john, thank you. some of the areas hardest hit last month, health care and education there's also a lot of focus on what happened in hospitality and what it means for all of us. matt egan is joining me now. he's been digging into these numbers further. the labor secretary called this a complex report. what's sticking out to you? >> it definitely was a complex report. a lot of that was because of the delta variant and the reopening of the economy. but that means there's kind of something for everyone here in terms of the positives and the negatives. clearly, the big negative is the fact that the economy added 194,000 jobs last month.
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that's less than half of what economists were anticipating. as you can see, there was a surge in hiring. but that's clearly faded big time. this was actually the worst job gain of the entire year. so that means the u.s. economy is still down 5 million jobs during the pandemic. that's disappointing. three quarters of the jobs lost have been covered, but the last quarter has been the hardest to bring back. at the current pace, it would take two years to get back all the jobs lost. now we have to look at the sector breakdown to see where the weakness was. the big concern is schools. you look at local government education. they dropped by 144,000 jobs. that's a big deal because schools add back a llt of teachers and staff that had been taken off the payroll during the summer. the fact that that didn't happen as much as expected suggests that maybe they had some trouble hiring, finding workers to hire.
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hotels were only up 2,100. that's not enough because that sector got crushed by the pandemic. health care lost more than 17,000 jobs. food services up 29,000. there were some positives here. the unemployment rate dropped to a pandemic low of 4.8%. it's well below the 15% that we saw in april of 2020. wages were up. unemployment rate for black americans has also fallen substantially. so there are some positives here, but this is all evidence of the distortions created by the pandemic and how much covid continues to rule the u.s. economy. >> good to see you. thank you very much. turning to capitol hill, where an economic crisis has been averted. the senate voted extend the nation's debt limit through december. but it is not a final victory. it's not even a victory, or at least it's short livid, because
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they only pishushed it off for couple months. it may be tougher after senate majority leader chuck schumer delivered a tough speech around the vote last night that republicans and even some democrats are not happy with. jessica dean is on capitol hill for us now. what's going to happen next? >> reporter: you just alluded to this this does not solve the stalemate over raising the debt ceiling. this is the bare minimum in the sense that america has to pay its bills. and they have it done through the beginning of december. but none of the dynamics have changed here. and in fact, people have become more entrenched after the last several days have played out. so the bottom line is we're just going to see this all over again, but even worse and more entrenched positions as we move toward december. so there's no clear route forward for democrats. republicans insisting they must do it on their own. democrats saying they do not want the to take that route, and
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they are not giving either way. we're going to see how that develops over the next several weeks. in the meantime, things are incredibly tense around here. yesterday was very high stakes for members of both parties. but it was really kind of this culmination when we saw chuck schumer giving his speech right after ten republicans cross ed over to allow them to go forward to lift this debt ceiling. here's parking lot of his speech. take a listen. >> leader mcconnell and senate republicans insisted they want ed a solution to the debt ceiling, but said democrats must raise it alone by going through a drawn out and risk reconciliation process. that was simply unacceptable to my caucus. yesterday senate republicans finally realized that their obstruction was not going to work. >> you saw senator joe manchin there putting his head in his hands as he was talking. he told reporters after that that it was not appropriate to be that partisan after the vote that had just taken place. and the senate minority whip jon
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thune went to schumer and told reporters he let him have romney saying this was a moment of grace. so people on both sides not happy to hear that speech. away they called a partisan speech right after they had accomplished at least getting the debt ceiling lifted until december. >> jessica, thank you so much for that. joining me now with some more is economic reporter for "the new york times" geena smiley. you have the debt ceiling looming out there once again. but that is for later, at least for the moment. this jobs report, another miss. it paints a confusing picture, another confusing picture of where exactly the country is in this recovery. the perfect question was posed, does anyone really know what is happening with this economy? what are all the people telling you? >> i think this is such a challenging moment to read the
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tea leaves. just to sort of demonstrate that, i think that one place to look in this jobs report to see how extremely confusing it is is that the state and local government education hire ing tt we were talking about earlier, those numbers are impossible to read because they surged over the summer, which could be messing with the numbers now. it's really impossible to figure out sort of what the trend is versus what is just completely pandemic noise. and so i think it's very difficult for economists to get a good read on how quickly this job market is healing, how quickly it's going to heal going forward and how long until we reached a full recovery. the big take away is we're definitely not there now and it's probably going to take a lot longer than just about anybody was hoping for us to get there. everything else was basically bad news in this report. >> and i am constantly curious on how inflation plays into this whole picture. i had jared bernstein, one of the economic advisers on
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yesterday. and other than tracking what's playing out, i want to play what the white house said they were doing with regards to it. >> we have a task force designated to these tasks and we are already at war. we probably don't talk about this enough. we have folks in ports trying to help that coordination problem improve so we don't have parking lots. at sail time, we're trying to make sure we have the labor market to help improve people's income over this period. >> how do you think that fits into an economy where not enough people are going back to work? >> yeah, i think that the challenge is with inflation are very real. i think that earlier in the year, folks at the white house and the fed were hoping those inflation numbers were going to fade with time.
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and instead what we have seen is those bottlenecks have gotten a lot worse. the ports are backlogged. shipping routes are all messed up there's no reason to believe that inflation is going to fade quickly. it could last well into next year. that's a point of real concern. especially when we talk about the wage story we're experiencing now. yes, wages are going up, but inflation is eating that away quickly. as wages increase, what we're seeing is the companies are having to up their labor bills in order to produce the same amount. so we're seeing increases prices. i think that dynamic is going to be interesting and potentially pretty risky for economic policymakers over the coming months. >> thank you so much. really appreciate it. >> thank you. we're going to be hearing very soon, as i mentioned, from president biden himself. his take on this report and the state of the country's recovery from the covid recession. it comes at a critical moment for the president, who is facing a dip in his approval rating. as we know, the economy plays a
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huge part in that approval rating for every president. joining me now for more on this is data reporter harry enten. we're going to hear from the president on the economy. this all impacts his approval rating. overall what you're looking at, it's not great. what do you see? >> it's not great. the trend over the last few months shows that biden's approval rating has been falling. if you look a back on august 1, i believe it was at 51%. look at it now. it's at 44%. you can just see over the last few months from august 1st to september 1st to now you see the net approval rating going from positive at plus 8 to minus 2 on september 1 and now at minus 5 points going in the wrong direction. >> what is driving this? is it clear what's driving it? >> yeah, if you look by party, what you see is you see that net approval rating is dropping among democrats, republicans and
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independents. but look at among the independents. you go from august 1, his net approval rating was plus 3. now it's down 19 points. more than either democrats or republicans. and why is this so important? because independents are the reason that joe biden won in the 2020 election. what we saw back in 2020 versus 2016 is among independents, joe biden won by 13 points. and the change from clinton's margin to biden shifted by 1 points. much more than it shifted among democrats or republicans. >> president biden thinks that these big programs, infrastructure bill, the reconciliation bill, these big spending bills are key to turning this around. especially turning around his approval rating. is it clear that that is the case that it would do that? >> it can't hurt. and the reason why it can't hurt is if you ask voters whether or not they think joe biden has accomplished very much, when you see in the trend line is essentially they say, no.
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in late august 58% of voters said only some or very little, that was up significantly from late april when it was 47%. and here's the thing i'll note. if you look back, look at biden's build better agenda. look at that. the support minus opposition, plus 30 on the 1.2 trillion infrastructure plan, $3.5 social programs, much better than biden's approval rating. >> it's really interesting to see it by the numbers. thank you so much for putting that together. coming up next, for the first time, congress is releasing a a look at former president trump's finances. specifically, with regard to that d.c. hotel, the trump international hotel. lawmakers say there's evidence that donald trump tried to hide tens of millions of dollars in losses. ready for subway's eat fresh refresh™?
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with all the details. hundreds of pages here. this is from the house oversight committee. what did they find? >> this is really incredible. it appears the most detailed version of the former president's finances that have been made public to date. it's especially notable the amount of access the committee was given. remember, congress has been chasing this kind of detail for years. during the trump presidency and beyond, this is the first time we're seeing it. it's particular when it comes to the payments from foreign governments. according to the committee, trump received an estimated 3.7 million from foreign gove governments. this is money that flowed through the hotel that was never disclosed. and it's leading to a lot of questions as to what, if anything, foreign governments were getting in exchange for this huge amount of money. now it is important to note that despite all of this money coming in from foreign government, the trump hotel was experiencing losses. take a look at that. while they claim ed that they
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were making a about $156 million in revenue, documents show that actually they were losing more than $70 million. they were losing so much money they had to be loaned more than $24 million from another one of trump's holdings. now another thing to point out here, this goes back to the foreign governments. the committee says that these documents showed that president trump was given preferential treatment by deutsche bank, a foreign bank, that deferred his payments. that is also considered a gift, something that was never disclosed by a foreign bank. so just to note, the committee says they are not done yet. they are seeking more answers. and certainly after this, we are also seeking more answers into what has been a black box that is trump's finances. >> thank you so much. joining me for more is chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. president trump broke decades of precedent when he refused to give up financials.
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so conflicts of interest with him are not a surprise. but the trump hotel in washington was a particular mine field. is a that what we're seeing here? what jumps out to you? >> that's part of what we're seeing. it was an open secret that the way foreign governments ingratiated themselves with the trump administration was to stay in the trump hotel. and many governments did it. it is not clear what they got in return, but the whole point of the amollments close, which is an ancient close in the insticonstitution, is federal officials including the president, should not have on flikts of interest, should not be receiving any sort of money from foreign governments. but it obviously happened here to the tune of several million dollars. >> there's been so many questions raised about trump's relationship with deutsche bank. the committee saying that in 2018 they allowed trump to delay payments on a loan of $170 million. how could this fit into the
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larger picture of trump's relationship with this major bank and as kristen was laying out, to this point, it's been this black box. >> this reminds me. bear with me on this. donald trump was the subject of a friars roast long before he was president. what he said to the people who were roasting him is you can joke about anything except that i don't have a lot of money. that's the one thing you can't joke about. but you know what, donald trump does not have a lot of money. and i think people are missing the point when they say, the real risk to him is criminal prosecution, whether in the da's office or something out of january 6th. i don't think there are going to be any criminal prosecutions, but because deutsche bank was so indull jebt of his failed businesses for years and years, he has been able to stave off
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financial disaster. . but deutsche bank said we're done with him now. and he is not going to find american or big lenders in the united states or companies that do a lot of business in the united states. and that's the real problem he faces in the next few years. it's not just this hotel. it's all the hotels that are doing terribly. and he doesn't have the money to pay back his loans. >> is there more beyond this? the committee says we are not done yet. they are going to keep digging. as you suggest, you don't think it there's criminal prosecution in the future for him. his cfo is facing tax fraud charges in new york. the web of people around him facing charges is extensive. but you think how does this all fit together? what congress gets to next i wonder. >> i think it's fair to say that the former president has been very good at protecting the
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secrecy of his business operations. we are just finding out today that, in fact, the hotel was doing poorly. i think anyone who can say for certain what donald trump's finances are or will be is blowing smoke. but the news has been all bad, and that's worth keep ing in mind. >> jeffrey, thank you. coming up for us, congress going from crisis to crisis. the debt ceiling solved for a few weeks. now democrat cans quit fighting republicans and go back to fighting each other over the economic agenda. we'll a talk to one member next. g my dream anymore. i made a financial plan to live it every day. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at ♪ ♪
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hill, where the house will come back to vote on tuesday to us is send the debt limit for two months. this after the senate passed the short-term extension it last night. and when it comes to congress, that's seen as something of a victory. even that path forward is not clear. it's not over. it's just two months out. which is also putting all the focus once again on the future of the president's economic agenda. join ing me now is democratic congressman hailey stevens of michigan. she's a members of of the house problem solvers caucus. thank you for being here. you now have a pause in the debt ceiling fight. what does this pause mean for the bigger debate amongst democrats right now over this infrastructure deal and the massive spending bill? >> well, certainly, we shoblt be playing theater with our economy. so i am glad that we reached a short-term deal turning to the larger agenda. i am really fired up about get ing this done and i actually
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belief that we have a path to get an infrastructure deal done. obviously, a big deal for us here in michigan as well as a broader economic agenda that helps everyday, hard working americans who are counting and looking for some certainty from their federal government. >> i want to get to your optimism in a second, but i want to ask you quickly about what something that happened in the senate last night that kind of -- it speaks to the dynamics going forward, honestly. chuck schumer really came out swinging over this momentary debt deal with mcconnell in a speech around the vote. let me play what schumer said. >> leader mcconnell and senate republicans insisted they wanted a solution to the debt ceiling, but said democrats must raise it alone by going through a drawn out, con visit luted process. that was simply unacceptable to
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my caucus. and yesterday, senate republicans finally realized that their obstruction was not going to work. >> joe manchin clearly did not like it. he called it inappropriate, saying civility is completely gone. this doesn't help the process. what do you say about it? >> i think that deliberation and debate is really important. i'm a traditionalist. i long encourage my colleagues to come under the house floor, to participate in open debate so that we can hear from one another, hear from our congressional districts, from all pockets all over this it country. and also, i think what you heard from the senate majority leader speaks to frustration. it's the frustration that we have with those who come to washington and want to govern and want to put their party behind the country and put the country first, certainly, that
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is what the majority leader was talking about. and yeah, he's calling out the republicans who time and time again vote to do the right thing when it's convenient for their party, but not when it's the right thing for america. so i wasn't on the senate floor last night. i imagine it was a long evening. we did strike a deal, but that said, we also have to continue to find the paths to get to solutions and certainly that's something we have gotten done in a short window here with this potential staving off of economic catastrophe here. but we have more things to do. i've got bills i'm working on nor innovation and supply chain recovery, chip shortages that are a big problem here in michigan. and i know who i can talk to to get those things done. but i don't like it when people put their party first. that it needs to be held accountable. >> you also -- there's more to do is the understatement of the century when you look at the conversation that's happening
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right now. you are talking about trillions of dollars that democrats are trying to work out. there are understandable real doubts there's going to be an agreement on the bigger spending bill. in time to meet this now october 31st deadline set to vote on infrastructure. if there's no deal on this combination that's now combined again, what should it mean for the infrastructure bill this time around, which i know you support. >> well, look, i think you have to listen to what those who are putting this vision forward from the white house that have been saying all along. it's consistent with what we heard from president biden on the campaign trail. it's consistent with what i'm hearing from folks back in my district, which are we have got to fix our roads. we have historic, unbelievable flooding here in michigan. we've got to do our pipes. this is a big part of the
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100-year-old infrastructure we need to modernize. a at the same time, i'm a food bank in northern oakland county and i have a woman saying, i'm so ready to get back to work. i have three kids at home. and yet i'm at $15 an hour and can't get anyone to watch my kids for under $16 an hour. we're off balance. we are in the 21st century. we have got to support hard working families and pay a path for them to succeed. i'm sick of it. i talk to small businesses every single day who have innovative jobs, and yet time and time again, they hear from people, i can't make this work because i can't figure out what i'm doing with my kids. i can't find that atordable day care. what am i going to do? the american people are supportive of our build back better agenda. so this is why in terms of our legislative process, i told my
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colleague, i told my constituent, i'm in the coalition of the willing. i'm in washington as a member of congress to get things done and to deliver alongside this president. >> you have a very hard job in front of you. let's see what the nesks 24 hours brings because it changes so much. thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you. coming up next for us, as vaccine mandates appear to be working, the lawsuit that will decide whether some health care workers can claim religious exemptions. this is worth. that takes wealth. but this is worth. and that - that's actually worth more than you think. don't open that. wealth is important, and we can help you build it. but it's what you do with it, that makes life worth living. principal. for all it's worth. regina approaches the all-electric cadillac lyriq.
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that the u.s. may be turning a corner on covid. the nation now averaging less than 100,000 new coronavirus cases a day for the first time in two months. and the number of people hospitalized is now at the lowest it's been in the same time. leading the surgeon general to say this. >> certainly, cautiously optimistic. i think whether or not we see another surge of the virus depends upon what we do to really accelerate vaccination rates. >> president biden is now calling on more businesses to issue vaccine mandates. just as the federal judge is considering whether new york state can enforce a vaccine
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requirement on health care workers who claim religious exemptions. the ruling is expected no later than tuesday. joining me now is michael dowelling, the president and ceo of the largest health care provider in the state of new york. thank you for being here. i want to ask you about these promising trend lines we're seeing in the pandemic, but first, northwell made headlines in announcing that it has fired 1,400 employees who refused to get vaccinated. but you can put it another way. that's less than 2% of your workforce. that's a huge amount of people taking part in the vaccination program. what has been the impact on the health care system? >> everything was functioning normally. we have not had to reduce any services. that was our goal from the beginning. it was not to disrupt that patient care, ask we did not. everything is working very smoothly. and again, i'm so grateful to all of our staff that decided to
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get vaccinated. and i just want to clarify one point. i did not fire people. people decided that they did not want to comply with the mandate. so they decided not it work at northwell. that's the way i look at it. but overall, we're doing quite well. we did not have to disrupt any services. all is good and positive. >> are you filling those positions or are you able to function without those positions being filled? are you finding enough vaccinated people to fill in where people have left? where are these positions? >> well, we face the vaccination issue. so we're required all new employees to be vaccinated. and we hire over 200 people a week. this week alone, we hired 220 people. so we have no problem getting employees. and we have had no problem with employees being willing to be vaccinated. so we have that influx of new individuals who want to work
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here. and meet the mandate. and we obviously deploy across the organization. we do all the time. so because we're so integrated, we were able to accommodate this, as i said, without any disruption. so again, this is a credit to the staff. i just want to say thank you to all of of the staff that are working so hard to make sure we treat patients the right way and maintain the goal of safety. it's all about safety and protect ing people and protectig the public. that's why we're in the business that we're in. >> northwell is uniquely symbolic when it comes to the pandemic and vaccinations. you were at the center of the first wave, obviously, new york has such a big health care is system, but one of your nurses in your hospital was the first person in the united states to get a covid shot. i remember this moment so vividly. and still, i was struck thinking the same health system, there's
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hundreds of her colleagues decided they are it obviously not in the job anymore because they didn't the to get the shot. how do you make sense of it? >> obviously, people have a right to choose what they want to do. i wish that these people decided not to -- i wish they decided to stay with us. they are good employees. they did very good work during all of the last 18 months. but they have a choice. they made a choice. and obviously, we continue to educate. it is possible, quite frankly, that some of those people will reconsider since the mandate applies every place across health care in the region, that they will reconsider and msay maybe i should think about getting vaccinated. if it that's the case, we will meet with them and interview them and we will welcome them back subsequent to that interview. so the covid debate, this is just another phase.
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but we have to keep in mind that the bulk of people complied and the bulk of people wanted to do what's right. that's what we have to focus on. it's understandable. >> the bulk, 98% of employees were right there taking part and got vaccinated. another sign that mandates do seem to work. on the overall trends of covid, you have cases, hospitalizations, deaths down. the daily case rate under 100,000 for the first time in two months. the surgeon general saying that he is cautiously optimistic. america is turning a corner, i'll say, hopefully for good this time, though we don't know. is is that what you're seeing? >> yes, we're emerge ing from i lope hopefully. but we have to be alert and aware. we just cannot declare complete victory yet. if we continue the trend we're going on and promote the vaccination and more people get
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vaccinated, yes, we will come out of this fine. we today have only 220 covid patients in all our facilities. a year ago we had almost 4,000 in all of our facilities as inpatients. and the numbers are coming down slowly. so yes, we're in a good place. the attitude is good overall. there's a lot of positivity. the employees, the moral is high. i think there's opportunity for confidence here. we should be confident, but always be a little bit aware and alert because you could get a surprise. we should not allow us to be surprised again. >> thank you so much, michael. i really appreciate it. we'll be right back. some things are good to know. like where to find the cheapest gas in town, and which supermarket gives you the most bang for your buck. something else that's good to know? if you have medicare and medicaid, you may be able to get more healthcare benefits through a humana medicare advantage plan.
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prince william and prince harry lost their mother diana at a very young age, as we all, of course, know, but she still has a huge impact on how they interact with the rest of the royal family, with the media and on their charitable work. the new cnn original series "diana" takes a look at her enduring influence. here's cnn's max foster. >> if diana's marriage to prince charles was fairy tale, then meghan's to prince harry was
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even more so. american, bi-racial, divorced and already successful in her own right, meghan single-handedly modernized the british monarchy just by being who she was, but like diana meghan wasn't ready or willing to accept the scrutiny that came with the role. >> i seem to be on front of a newspaper every single day which is an isolating experience. >> i know there's an obsession with how things look, but has anyone talked about how it feels because right now i could not feel lonelier. >> and i'm talking about history repeating itself i'm talking about my mother. when you can see something happening in the same kind of way, anybody would ask for help. >> reporter: harry has blamed the media for his mother's democrat he scarred himself by the constant invasions of privacy into his childhood. his mother was acutely aware that she was the most famous woman in the world. she couldn't control that, but she learned to turn it to her
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advantage and use it as a force for good. in william and harry she instilled a sense of empathy and compassion for those less fortunate, secretly sneaking them out into homelessness shelters. >> everyone has the potential to give something back if only they had the chance. >> reporter: prince harry co-founded a charity to support children living in extreme poverty or with hiv/aids, causes close to diana's heart. the foundation was named in honor of her mother translated at forget me not and in 2018 harry walked through the same path through a minefield in angola. like diana the sussexes left their senior positions and are carving their own paths. meghan may never have met her
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but one person she remains close to in the uk was a close friend of diana. >> one of the people who i reached out who has continued to be a friend and confidant was one of my husband's mom's best friends, one of diana's best friends because it's like who else could understand what -- what it's actually like on the inside? >> max foster, cnn, london. >> you can watch this all new cnn original series "diana" premiering sunday night at 9:00 p.m. only on cnn. thank you so much for joining us today. i'm kate balduan. "inside politics" with john king begins after this break.
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hello and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing this busy day with us. a weak jobs report rattles the biden white house. only 194,000 jobs, the covid cloud smothering predictions of a hiring boom. plus, the democrats' policy divide gets personal. new cnn reporting details president biden's reaction in a private meeting to a suggestion that joe manchin and bernie sanders just get together just make a deal. that, the president joked, would be inviting homicide and donald trump and those loyal to him


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