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good friday morning to you. this is not the way a lot of people wanted to go into the weekend. the jobs report out this morning falling far short of expectations for the second straight month. 194,000 new jobs created. so what is fueling this trend? what is the administration's plan to turn it around? the u.s. labor secretary will join us in a few minutes from now to discuss. >> a lot of hard questions. feisty on the floor as well. senate majority leader chuck schumer blasted republicans for playing games with the nation's debt ceiling. it came, however, right after 11 gop members joined democrats to approve a short-term extension.
you can see senator joe manchin's response behind chuck schumer there. >> he was not the only one not happy with that response. before we get to that, let's take a closer look at the job numbers we joust got. matt ooegen, you have been going through these. disappointing could be an understatement. not at all what was expected. >> this was a messy jobs report. and more evidence of all the distortions that covid has caused for the economy. if you look at the big number, 194,000 jobs added in september. that's less than half what economists were expecting. that last quarter is proving to be the most difficult. at the current pace, it would take two years to get back to where we were on the job front. >> as you dig into the numbers, there were revisions upwards for july and august.
but still this big dropoff, what does that show us? >> there were some revisions. we saw july and august revised higher. there was a hiring boom. you look at the numbers, strong job gains, but that's also slowed down around the time that the delta variant came into play. we have to look at the sectors to see where the weakness was. first, schools, local government education hiring, that dropped by 144,000 jobs. hotels, they added back just 2,100 jobs. that's not what is needed because that sector was crushed by the pandemic. health care is down 17,500. it's more evidence of how uneven this recovery has been. >> it's also interesting. we talked about this earlier. sort of the way this is measured and whether perhaps some of those tools need to change too. it maybe smaller businesses perhaps are starting to employ more people, but we don't always hear about those numbers in the same way. >> that's right. everyone is trying to adapt to
this new reality, including the economists who have had a hard time modelling what this economic recovery would look like. because there were some positives here. let's look at the unemployment rate. it dropped to a pandemic low of 4.8%. that's a big drop from 5.2% the month before. don't forget that back in april of 2020, the unemployment rate was 15%. look at that. really sharp decline. the unemployment rate for black americans is falling even faster in the last month. it dropped below 8%. another positive is wages. americans are getting paid more. wage growth accelerated. there's some question over whether or not wages will keep up with inflation, but workers have some more leverage in this economy. >> there's still a mismatch, though. there were jobs available, particularly in places that aren't frankly the best jobs. you're talking about some restaurant workers in terms of pay and benefits. jobs available, but people aren't taking those jobs. >> that's right. that's one of the reasons we have seen wages really pick up. because companies are desperate
to hire. there's a record number of job openings right now. i talked to ceos, the number one thing they complain about is a lack of workers. and there's this mismatch where they need workers with certain skills and those workers may not be available right now. >> or holding out for more. i have definitely heard that in conversations with friends. they the more. thank you. joining us now to discuss the labor secretary marti walsh. thank you so much for taking the time this morning. >> thank you, and i caught the last piece of the last setting the. i think we'll probably work off of that one today. >> this is the second month in a row where it's not a good number for the country, for the administration. why another miss here? >> i think this is a complex report. when you take a deep dive into this report, you look at hospitality and retail where we gained 74,000 jobs. the expectation was much higher.
when we looked atd the reason for that, the delta variant, the rise in the delta variant had an impact in the restaurant and hospitality area. both as hiring and in people going out to dinner. the other area that is kind of baffling to a lot of people is the public sector education realm. a lot of us with scoop ises opening, most of it in-person learning, lots of people needed to work in schools, and we saw an issue there. so we have to do a little more work in those sectors because we have a an ability to change that. but i will say this. >> how do you have an ability to change that? >> working with cities and states and job train ing and making sure the american rescue plan allocated by congress, making sure that money is being allocated to bring people on. >> there appears as well, and this is not the fist month that
first month that is has shown this, you do have jobs available in many places. but people not taking those jobs. either changing them and there's some evidence of starting businesses, but holding out for more. i wonder are you concerned that mismatch is a structural issue that will hold back the hope for recovery, the one you and others have been counting on. >> i think all of us are living in a pandemic time. we're try ing to figure out what's happening here. and there's no road map like the 2016 great recession. it's a lot different than that. two months ago everyone is asking questions about the $300 keeping people out of work. it's gone. we didn't see growth there. what we're seeing is the pandemic is reeking havoc and fear on people going back to work. i also think there are lots of families looking a at their work/life balance and they are
changing careers and looking at that as well. that's another thing. this isn't just an american issue. this is happening all over the world. >> on the pandemic, if the pandemic, as you say, is principally to blame for this, what is the biden administration's plan to address that? because to this point, it's been about making vaccines available, which has happened. and encouraging those who are hesitant to get them and also trying vaccine mandates, et cetera. but it did not prevent this surge. you have a regional problem here where some parts of the country are just flat out avoiding vaccines in general. what is the administration's plan to address that piece of this economic problem? >> i think you just hit the nail on the head with certain parts of the country where we saw the highest numbers of delta variant and people not wearing masks. the president laid out a plan in january. he's sticking to that plan. we have added 5 million jobs to the economy.
we have a about 0% of the american people vaccinated. we're working now with the an emergency standard to have employers over 100 people to get people vaccinated or testing. what that will do is bring more confidence to the workplace for people to come back to work. we're also investing in job training and workforce development. we're doing all the things we need to do. we're seeing there's some bright spots to this it report today. so the women participation of unemployment number down to 2.4%. we are seeing good signs. this isn't all doom and gloom. i would love to be on the show saying we added 3 million jobs to the economy. but unfortunately, we are not there yet. >> i know a big part of the administration's plan for addressing these issues is the build back better plan. there's disstill disagreement.
you had an episode last night of a rescue on the debt ceiling, and then chuck schumer not only upsetting republicans, but joe manchin as well, by laying into republicans after that deal. do you think that moment undercut the ongoing negotiations to get to that budget deal? >> i'm not going to comment too much on what happened inside the chamber there, but i will say this. this report today reflects the need for build back better. this report today, one of the areas that isn't getting headlines is nursing homes and in it the hospital industry. we saw a loss in those regions. not gains, losses. and yet people in hospitals and nursing homes, we see those numbers going up. so the agenda focuses on our economy. i would hope members of congress and the senate today look at the jobs report and see where the shortfalls are and understands these investments that the president wants to make in these areas will have long-term, lasting, positive impacts on our economy moving forward. >> i'm sure you're getting regular updates on the state of
the negotiations there, because it's important to your portfolio. where are they? t i'm talking about democrats here. are they closer to not just a figure, but what goes into that figure to reach a deal? >> the legislative process can be complicated sometimes. i think we're having those conversations between the moderates and the progressives and conservatives and democrats and republicans about how we move forward. at the end of the day, i feel good about getting two good pieces of legislation on the president's desk to sign so we can stop making invest thes that we need to win the future. >> secretary walsh, thank you for taking the time this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> speaking of moderates, joe manchin joining republican senators in blasting chuck schumer's floor speech after last night's vote on the debt ceiling. >> cnn correspondent lauren fox
joins us from capitol hill. it kind of looked like no one was happy for multiple reasons. a lot of complaining on the hill. i just wonder, was that moment last night potentially impactful with sensitive negotiations to come? >> reporter: the tenseness of the hill last night was something that was really palpable as i was leaving. one thing to point out here is that it wasn't just republicans who thought schumer's speech went too far. you had manchin saying that schumer blasting republicans for coming to the table very late and reversing course kind of rubbing it in that mcconnell had changed his mind on his strategy didn't sit well with folks on capitol hill. and in part, that was because this was a hard battle for republicans to get the votes even for this procedural step. we should note, republicans ultimately didn't vote yes to pass the debt ceiling. they voted yes to ensure the
first procedural step didn't stop this process. so they essentially just broke a filibuster on capitol hill yesterday, but it was a hard vote. mcconnell and his whip john thune were standing by the table counting votes. it took a long time to make sure that they got all the votes they needed. so i think that was part of the reason that republicans felt like schumer's speech went too far. there had been this 90-minute conference meeting where mcconnell gt an earful from republican colleagues. here's what two of them said about the decision to reverse course on the debt ceiling. >> we had a plan. >> do you know why? >> i think the democratic threats to destroy the filibuster caused him to give in. i think that was a serious
mistake. >> were you surprised? >> yes. >> reporter: this debt ceiling fight is coming back in two months. there's a question now of will republicans come along to help democrats again. they are saying, no, they won't. democrats saying they are not going to use a process to do this on their own. they think this is everyone's responsibility. up here on capitol hill, there's a stalemate. even after a little bit of a blink from mcconnell, you had democrats digging in once again or at least democratic leaders. that doesn't bode well for what things are going to happen in just a couple weeks. >> a stalemate on capitol hill, we never hear that. >> so rare. >> lauren, appreciate it, thank you. up next, sources telling cnn steve bannon told the january 6th committee he will not cooperate with the subpoena is. so will there be any repurr cushion? plus the country's top doctor saysen don't be surprised if schools require students to get their covid-19 vaccine once the fda authorizes those shots.
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a source telling steve bannon will not cooperate as he stands with trump. sou sources also saying that mark meadows responded to the committee. it's not clear whether he plans to comply. we are also waiting on word about two other trump allies. >> still even with those road blocks, the investigation is moving forward. the committee handed out two new subpoenas. this time to a pair of the so-called stop the steal leaders who are are both affiliating with planning the january 6th rally that led occupy to the capitol attack. let's speak more in detail with former deputy assistant at attorney. always good to have you on. we have seen this movie before. subpoenas from congress, subpoenas from a special counsel defied, delayed, challenged in court, drag it is out.
it took two years to get don mcgahn to testify. >> on what legal basis is the term stands with trump. if steve bannon has a basis for blocking or challenging a subpoena, which every individual who is subpoenaed has a right to do, there's a process for doing that. you go to court and you move to quash the subpoena. but we have to get off this idea that buzz you disagree with congress it's okay to throw out the subpoena is. i work ed on this for both side. and the at a certain point, the justice department needs to get aggressive with going after people who do not respect congress as a party that can issue subpoenas. >> so what is that point? >> i think it's now. there are a couple different ways to do it. congress can sue in federal court. essentially saying that the subpoena isn't so valid. and congress can go to the justice department and seek criminal penalties.
they have that power. and they have been moving aggressively thus far if you look at the calendar. every five days they have someone either coming in for testimony or documents. they are trying it move here, and i would think they would try to be aggressive. >> i have heard frustration with attorney general merrick garland's lack of urgency here on a question like this. how to enforce these things. how to seek to impose potential penalties here. do you share that? do you have a sense of why? >> it's a couple different questions. is merrick garland being aggressive enough here. we don't know because it hasn't happened yet. has the justice department been aggressive enough in charge ing people with respect to january 6th. number one, 660 people have been charged. 90 have pled guilty. >> we saw not the folks who encouraged them and shout ed at
them and told them the election was stolen right up to the former president. >> i think there's a couple different things here. if, in fact, they are to go after ring leaders, and despite what we saw on television, building the two-year case to go after the proud boys or something, it might just take long tore happen. it's a fair criticism that the justice department hasn't been aggressive enough. but i guess in pure investigation terms over the course of nine months with this many pleas and charges, it's still a punch of people. but i think it's an entirely fair criticism is. >> is there an added pressure? i would think any case you bring you want to make sure you have a great case. but there's added pressure, i don't think we can deny when you're looking at what's happening right now. how much do you think that may or may not be coming into play here? >> absolutely. it's undenial. i wouldn't even say it's a suggestion. if you're going after a former president and a former white
house chief of staff, you have to make sure your case is tight. prosecutors are obligated to only bring charges that they know they can win. and there's just an added political and social pressure, if you want to call it that, if you're bringing the president of the united states in. i want to be clear. the conduct is egregious all around. the question of what you can charge criminally, quickly is a far more complicated and bigger one that sometimes you can't answer in a couple months, unfortunately. >> elliot williams, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. boarder security just one of the issues u.s. and mexican officials are discussing now in mexico city. our matt rivers is there.
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>> reporter: if you needed any clues how important this is to the biden administration, look at the fact there are three cabinet members here. and as always, the u.s. is looking for mexican cooperation on drug trafficking, especially fentanyl-laced drugs, controlling migrant flows to the u.s. border, but what they are talking about is maybe something that's going to replace the initiative, which was back from 2008. hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars or millions of dollars from the u.s. down to mexico aiding in everything from cross border drug trafficking to criminal justice reform. but the agreement is 13 years old now. it needs updating. so that's what officials are working on here in mexico. the question is what they are going to be able to get done. the relationship right now between the two countries, at least from the mexico side of things, is not great. mexican government officials have told us that they are frustrated with the u.s. on a number of levels. the u.s. talking about drugs
going north, but what about the amount of guns coming from the united states south? they say it's a one-sided relationship. they also feel a bit sfliegt sleighted over the fact they are solving in their mind the u.s. immigration problems for them. they view migration as a u.s. problem, and yet it's mexican security forces tasked with trying to control the migrant flows. and also an arrest last year of a former mexican defense secretary in a dea-led operation that the u.s. didn't tell the counterparts about beforehand. that made the mexican government livid. as a result, they have really curtailed the dea's ability to operate here in mexico. so as they go through today, as they try to update or maybe even replace the initiative with the new comprehensive security agreement, there's going to be a lot of issues that have to be worked out between these two
sides before they can move that ball across the goalline. >> matt rivers, thank you. joining us now is the former u.s. babs ambassador to mexico. good to have you with us. as we listen to what we just heard from matt in terms of his reporting, the reaction on the mexican side, feeling that it's very one-sided, specifically as you're looking at what's happening at the border, that they are feeling it's on them to stop this surge, we're hearing a little bit of a different tale from u.s. officials. where in your estimation do things stand this morning? is mexico doing enough? >> i think what you're seeing this morning is something very positive. this is as much a process as anything else. yes, i think matt is right. there's been serious deterioration in the tone and cooperation on security between the united states and mexico. and there's a lot of finger pointing and much of it justified in terms of the
numbers of guns going south and drugs coming north. i think it's important that they meet today. i don't expect any big deliverables, but you are going to build the kind of trust that you need to have a truly effective relationship. you have to start with the basics, a sense of shared responsibility and interests that are aligned. you're seeing the start of that. >> ambassador, as you know, this is portrayed as a biden administration problem. basically, his administration is inviting all these migrants to the border. i went to the border and they are patrolling the boarder as aggressively as they were in recent years. the biden administration, as you know, has kept some trump-era policies including title 42, which allows them to expel people based on the covid threat. what do you see as the issue here? what is the biden administration not doing enough of or not
trying to stem the flow? >> i hate to admit that i have been on the border as a local official back in the late '80s and throughout the '90s and 2000s, but this is part of a continuing challenge. we have faced crises over the years. i think largely because of our inability to inform our immigration system and review the asylum procedures. yes, president biden has kept in place many of the more controversial initiatives of the previous administration, in particular, title xlii. but in a sense is, i think, what we have seen rather than take on the difficult issue of immigration reform and reviewing the asylum procedure, we have tried to outsource our enforcement, whether it be through migrant protection protocols or title 42, which
sets aside the current immigration laws and overrides them with this deporting based on this health provision. it's not anything new. the numbers are concerning, but it's not something that we haven't seen over the course of a handful of administrations in the united states. >> the surge isn't going away whether it be political issues, climate issues, do you have any faith that this is going to get any part of it will get resolved in this administration? or even addressed in terms of legislation, for example? >> i'm not terribly encouraged in seeing the immigration reform. i think there are some things that can be done. daca, some of the work adjustment initiatives, i think have some possibilities. but one of the things i'm most encouraged by today's meetings is that they are establishing a
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covid-19 vaccines for children ages 5 to 11 could be available as soon as next month. but there's a lingering question about just how many parents will take their kids to get those shots. >> a lot have chose not to get them for older children. booster shots outpaced the rate of new vaccination ace cross the country. in several states less than a third of children eligible have done so. the vaccine hesitancy for teenagers greater than adults, i wonder with even younger children, is that going to be a bigger problem and what does that mean for mandates?
>> it really will be interesting to see what happens with this 5 to 11-year-old group if pfizer does get an eua later this month for their covid-19 vaccine. let's take a look at how it's been going for 12 to 17-year-olds. this group got emergency use authorization back in the spring, becoack in may. so you'd think people would want to protect their children. but look at this map. you have all of these states, alabama, georgia, louisiana, all throughout parts of the south, north dakota, wyoming, less than a third of children that age have been vaccinated. that is not great. it doesn't say great things for what will happen for ages 5 to 11. the keizer family foundation has asked people the question when they do their monthly polls. will you vaccinate your children 5 to 11? so in september these were the
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must turn their attention back to reaching a deal on the budget proposals. president biden has set a target of between $1.9 and $2.2 trillion for his overall economic package. so how do democrats get to that number from their original $3.5 trillion price tag? here are the facts. there are three main ways to cut the top line figure. one way to do that is to remove items from the wish list. second would be delay the start or end date of the programs. this is it spending over ten years. you could also narrow the eligibility or the generosity of those programs. so let's take a look at the estimates cost for some of the main priorities here and see how they add up. $200 billion for universal pre-k, that's a popular part of this. $100 for free community college. child care, paid family and medical leave. climate-related tax breaks, soon you're going to start talking about real money. let's look at what else is in
that list as priorities. more than half a trillion dollars just to extend the child tax credit. $200 billion to make aca subsidies permanent. $357 billion for new medicare benefits for seniors. that's a lot of money. how does that all add up? you total that, that already gets you above the $2 trillion it figure. just under president biden's top line, but to be clear, this is a hypothetical. we don't have any insider knowledge of what those negotiators are talking about putting in it there either program wise or length of those programs. if democrats want to make room, they have a couple more options that could be a little less generous. look at the child tax credit. instead of making it $3,600 per child, scale it back to $1,800. people get it if they are under a certain income level. that's another way to save money by lowering or raising the
income level required to get that tax credit. one other option is to change the start or end date of those programs. because this is money over ten years. you could push back on medicare benefits for seniors. don't start them until october 2022. don't start the hearing services until 2022. you take years off, that takes dollars off. many hundreds of billions of dollars off, which could bring down the top line figure. other ways you can do this is looking a at the end dates of them. pay for the programs for five years instead of ten. that's something that's been lost in this debate is the figure is not for spending this year, it's over ten years. you could play a little funky math by saying we're going to do those program, but for half the time. maybe you dare a future congress down the line to take those benefits away. once people have them, it's hard for congress to take them away. >> that's true. bottom line, they have a lot of
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freedom of speech. >> many of you remember she was a cnn colleague of ours for decades. she found ed a media company. she's provided critical reporting. and dmitry muratov. joining us is will ripley. these journalists have risked their freedom, as we know, and their lives to report the truth. this is a huge deal. >> reporter: and it's at a m much-needed time considering how tough it's been for journalism in recent years, with the plague of fake news that people trust. so the reporting provided this window into what was happening in the philippines. i was there before president trump was inaugurated.
we saw bodies on the streets every night. thousands of street-level drug dealers being gunned doubt without a trial. once president trump was inaugurated, that went on the back burner. all eyes were on washington. while the rest of the world turned away and a lot of media outlets inside the philippines weren't paying attention because there was pressure from the administration, which had 80% approval at that time. it was one of the other ones out there telling people what was happening. bauds of their work, there's a historical record and why she had 11 different criminal cases she's been facing. she's been in and out of jail so many costs. the legal cost, the atepts to shut down her newsroom. yet in the end, here she is. she had a lot of struggles against the regime in the philippines, but now she's on the global stage and she goes down in history. >> they did it everything they could to shut her down.
what goes forward? does the operation keep going in the philippines? >> they are don't the best they can. they have continued to fight and have pretty good lawyers but they are on the way out. and his daughter might run for president. or somebody within in his administration. but they are up against a very tough legal fight in the philippines. but she's a nobel prize winner. she's going to go down in history as winning the war, even though she's lost some battles at home, she won the war. >> that's really remarkable. good to see you this morning. thank you. congratulations to the both of them. >> part of it is that the risk they assumed, both in the philippines and russia, to challenge the government, as they noted. six reporters have been kill ed by that government as they have carried out this effort. >> absolutely. thank you for joining us today. >> we made it to friday.
imagine that. at this hour with kate baldwin starts right now . hello, everyone. i'm kate baldwin. another miss, the jobs report, disapointsing. off the mark by hundreds of thousands of jobs. president biden set to speak on this this hour. economic calamity avoided for now. the senate extends the debt ceiling avoiding a disastrous default, but only for weeks. and is democrats still can't agree on their ambitious spending programs. and rounding the corner, positive signs on covid, more positive signs. fewer case, more vaccinations, mandates pushing more people to get the shot. but those same mandates are forcing some people to choose between the shot and their job