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>> and to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. you can follow me on twitter and instagram @wolf blitzer. the situation room is available as a podcast. look for us on or wherever you get your podcast. erin burnett out front starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news, the senate moments away from voting on whether to pay america's bills on time. will republicans have the votes they need to avert the nation's first default? treasury secretary janet yellen is my guest. trump's lawyer reportedly ordering the president's aides to defy subpoenas from the january 6 select committee. can they be forced to testify? and the search for gabby petito's fiance taking a major turn tonight. brian laundrie's father now
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joining the search for his son. let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news. we are moments away from the crucial vote on the debt ceiling, which will pave the way avoiding the first default in american history. for now. the vote is scheduled for later this hour. until moments ago, republicans weren't even sure they could get ten of their own party to support the deal that their leader, mitch mcconnell made with democrats. in fact, prominent republicans are publicly slamming the deal republicans put together which would kick the can down the road on the debt ceiling until december 3rd. >> are you going to vote yes? >> no way. >> do you feel like -- >> yes. >> you do? why? >> we had a plan and we threw it over. >> do you know why? >> the threat of changing the rules drive us every time. >> i think the democratic threats to destroy the
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filibuster caused him to give in. i think that was a mistake, a serious mistake. >> were you surprised? >> yes. >> not what mcconnell expected given that he was just taking credit today for the agreement that would save the u.s. for a few weeks from default. >> for two and a half months, some democratic leaders did nothing and then complained that they were actually short on time. the majority didn't have a plan to prevent default. so we stepped forward. >> again, the vote is moments away. and even if it gets across the line, i have to emphasize this. we are facing the same crisis over the first american default in history in a mere weeks. the treasury secretary janet yellin will be my guest in just a moment. but first, manu raju is "outfront" on capitol hill. where do things stand on this vote right now? >> well, the big question all day long has been whether or not there will be enough republicans to break a republican-led
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filibuster that over this deal that mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, cut with the democratic leader chuck schumer to keep the government's debt default, to extend the deadline until early december. simply add $490 million to stave off an immediate crisis. not deal with the long-term crisis, because they're going to have to eventually deal with that in the fall. but they first need to pass this short-term deal. but there has been ample pushback among republicans. lots of consternation. republicans don't want to vote for this. all for months they have been saying that democrats alone would be required to use the process to essentially pass this by just democratic votes, circumventing a republican-led filibuster. but democrats decided not to go that route. and as a result, mitch mcconnell made this offer to avert this immediate crisis, the short-term increase. but they need 60 votes in the united states senate, which is 50-50 in order to overcome a filibuster that is being led by republicans.
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and it's just unclear at this point how many republicans will break ranks. senate republican whip john thune is confident they will get there. but erin, in talking to a number of republicans, they are just not sure they want to support this. believing it was not a good deal, believing they back tracked under a strategy, and saying that they'll wait ultimately for the vote to happen to make their decision. so there could be high drama as we run into the vote later this hour. and if they don't pass it here, it will raise major questions about what's next, and what the democrats will have to do on their own to try to pass this. a lot of questions. we'll see what happens here, though, erin, in a matter of minutes. >> big drama in a matter of minutes. thank you so much, manu. "outfront" now, treasury secretary janet yellen. take, i so much appreciate your time tonight. democrats and republicans are set to raise the debt ceiling. that's going get the country through december 3rd. then we go through this whole thing again. how damaging is this? >> well, i think the prospect
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that congress would not agree to raise the debt ceiling, which is what we're faced, and of course december 3rd, it's a short time relative to the debt ceiling. so the uncertainty remains longer term. i think it is damaging to confidence of consumers, of investors. of course, everyone including me breathed a sigh of relief that we were able to reach an agreement that gets us to december 3rd. we were staring at october 18th as a time when we would run out of extraordinary measures and cash would be running down quickly. so it's important that we have met that deadline and didn't go, you know, it looks like it will be voted on this evening.
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that we haven't gone right up against the wire. but we do need to settle it longer term. you know, what we're really talking about here is can you count on the government to pay its bills. >> all right. >> it's not about future spending or taxes. we've incurred bills. can the government be counted on to pay those bills? and americans, whether it's people waiting for a social security check or military pay or bondholders who regard u.s. treasuries as the safest asset in the world, they need to never question that the united states will pay its bills. so we've gotten more work to do to get well past december 3rd. but of course i'm pleased with what's been accomplished so far. >> so obviously, talk about a vote tonight. if the senate fails tonight to extend that deadline to december, you're back to this october 18th scenario when you
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said you would have exhausted all extraordinary measures. a default. >> yes. >> what are the consequences if they fail tonight? >> well, they need to get this done by the deadline that i set. i made it clear that we will run out of cash quickly after october 18th. this would be the first time in the country's history that we would be unable to pay our bills. and it would be enormously damaging to the economy, to financial markets. i've said and continue to think it would be utterly catastrophic. it should be unthinkable. and so this is a must. the congress has to meet that deadline. >> reporter: so ultimately the debt ceiling exists theoretically to politicians to curb future spending, although obviously raising the debt ceiling enables you to pay for
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past spending agreements. it has failed 100% of the time in curbing future spending, and you have been categorical that you are for suspending the debt ceiling. do you see any chance that this happens? >> i think it's become increasingly damaging to america to have a debt ceiling. it's led to a series of politically dangerous conflicts that have caused americans and global -- global markets to question whether or not america's serious about paying its bills. it's flirting with a self-inflicted crisis. and it really involves the government giving to their treasury secretary and their
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president conflicting sets of instructions. congress would have instructed me to make the payments to cover the expenditures they authorized, to collect the taxes that they have legislated. and then on top of that, set a requirement that can't let the debt run above a given level. and those three things all valid laws can come into conflict. it's an impossible -- it's an impossible situation. congress needs to debate these issues when they're deciding on spending and taxation, not to every several years put a hard stop and say, well, now we're not going to let the treasury secretary pay the nation's bills. >> and, you know, yet this is how it happens every time. i actually wanted to quote for you, secretary, a senator who spoke quite eloquently about the problem and actually did so when
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the total debt was about 1/3 of what it is now. and he said, and i quote, because this massive accumulation of debt was foreseeable, because it was unnecessary, because it was the result of willful and reckless disregard for the warnings that were given and the fundamentals of economic management, i am voting against the debt limit increase. of course that was then senator joe biden in 2006. when the shoe is on the other side and george w. bush wanted to raise the debt ceiling. biden's comments, though, point out something really important, which is there doesn't seem to be any check on spending any more. both parties see spending on their priorities as just and as revenge against the opposing party's transgressions. why does everyone in washington see this as a political thing when it isn't, when it is an economic reality? >> well, look, i think you shouldn't assume that all deficits are bad. we have incurred deficits to --
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this was true when the trump administration, the c.a.r.e.s. act, the consolidated appropriations act, the rescue plan under biden, this was deficit spending that look how well the u.s. economy is doing in recovering from a devastating pandemic. we have made expenditures that have put us right in the top ranks of all countries around the world in terms of the pace of our economic recovery. and we can afford the debt that was incurred. especially in an environment that's been characterized by very low interest rates. now president biden wants to do more. he has proposed a build back better plan that's been translated into an infrastructure bill that has cleared the senate and is
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sitting in the house. a reconciliation process that will attend to proposals to do education, child care, paid leave, environmental investments. and all of that is paid for. that's not deficit spending. that's a package where revenues will be raised that will fully cover the cost of that spending. so, people can have different opinions about the value of the package and whether they support it. i am -- i am strongly in support because i think it's what this economy needs to be more productive, to grow faster, to be a fairer economy. >> secretary, does that mean, then, that you believe the price tags have changed? i know you're talking about the build back better act obviously. the price tag that had been out there, the $3.5 trillion had the
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tax increases that were going to put on the wealthy and the corporations for ten years. but the spending on the child tax credit expiring after a few years. still estimated it would be a $1.4 trillion need to borrow. so it didn't fund itself, not even close. >> well, our estimates and what we proposed did -- was paid for. we have slightly different estimate of the portion of the package from the joint committee on taxation. one of the things we've been very focused on, and i hope this will be in reconciliation, is closing an enormous tax gap. right now it's estimated that over the next decade, the internal revenue service will fail to collect almost $7 trillion of tax revenue that is due under our law. and that's because the irs'
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resources to audit those who don't comply have dwindled to almost nothing. and we also, the irs lacks insight into opaque sources of income, largely of high-income individuals and corporations. and we've estimated based on very good information we have from the irs. yes. >> that the program to improve compliance will have a payoff of around $800 billion over ten years. >> who wouldn't vote for that? that's enforce the laws you already have and get the money you're already entitled to. i don't know how anyone could go against that. i know there are some who would, but both parties should be able to agree on that. >> we think so. >> i want to ask you about a couple of points. one is the expanded tax credit
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which biden is proposes. that could send up to $3600 per child to families working under a certain threshold. you have a means testing in it. senator gijoe manchin so you cannot get the money if you are not working. do you support that? >> no, i don't support a work requirement. i do not think the tax credit should go to the highest incomes. but 98% of families that are receiving the child tax credit have members who are working. so that's really not a real issue. and of the remainder, many are grandparents who are taking care of grandchildren. they may be retirees. i really don't think we should be telling retirees who are helping take care of grandchildren that they need to go to work as well.
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>> president biden has consistently framed the discussion about his spending bill as also one at its core about tax fairness. here he is, secretary. >> i think you should be able to make a lot of money in america. but just pay your fair share. pay your fair share. >> big corporations that are super wealthy have to start paying their fair share of taxes. it's long overdue. >> we're going to do it by leveling the playing field. by just having a fair system. where we ask the largest corporations and the wealthiest americans to begin to pay their fair share. not more. they can still make millions of dollars. >> we can afford to do this if the very wealthy just start to pay their fair share, just a little bit. >> of course, he has tripped down on twitter. as the treasury secretary advising him, obviously you know america can't tax its way to paying for everything, right? there isn't enough money for that to be the only way to do it. but if taxing people more on principle is important, it seems really important to understand what fair, not just to use the
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word. so when you look at the numbers, the top 20% of taxpayers in america paid 78% of the nation's taxes in the most recent tax share available from the fax policy center. the top 1% 2018 earned 21% of the income and paid 40% of the taxes in america. so when it comes to income, the system is deeply progressive. so if you work for a living and earn more you pay more absolutely and relatively. so the question is, if the top 20% are already paying 80% of the taxes, what is fair? >> well, look, i think most of us believe we should have a progressive tax system in which the fraction of your income that you pay as taxes rises as your income rises. and your statistics are consistent with that. but look, if you take a look at the tax burdens of some of the wealthiest americans, and warren buffett and others have said this themselves, often their tax
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rates are lower than those of their secretaries. and that's because a large share of their income takes the form of capital gains. capital gains are taxed at a lower rate than most ordinary income tax rates. and in addition, there is a complete loophole called step up of basis, which means if you hold an asset to death, no matter how much it's increased in value, your heirs that inherit that asset get to take the value of it as of the day of death. and that means no taxes are ever paid on those capital gains. and i think that's an aspect of unfairness that leads to very low tax rates. that's part of what we want to change. we've proposed speeding up return of the highest individual
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tax rate back to 39.7%, which is where it was before the trump tax cuts. but president biden has pledged that no one making under $400,000 a year will see their taxes rise by a penny. and i support that and our proposals are consistent with it. you know, i also want to say internationally we've had and are really working hard to stop a global race among countries to cut taxes ever lower. one country cuts taxes. companies move income to the country that's cut taxes. and it's led to very low tax rates for many corporations doing business afrbroad. it's helped global corporations. it's harmed governments all
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around the world. we've negotiated a tax agreement with 140 countries to establish a global minimum tax that every country will charge. it will stop this race to the bottom and ensure that companies contribute the revenue we need to build the infrastructure to repair roads and bridges and do the things that they all tell us they need to be competitive to have modern ports and airports. >> yes. >> so that's an aspect of tax fairness as well. >> all right. secretary yellen, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you, erin. and "outfront" next, breaking news. trump's lawyer now ordering the former president's aides to from the january 6 committee. what's the next move? and a new report revealing just how close trump came to staging a coup. who actually at the end of it
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not to comply with subpoenas from the january 6 select committee. that's according to "the washington post" report tonight. the subpoenas had demand documents from all four of those individuals by tonight, and it comes as the committee issues another round of subpoenas targeting two more leaders of the stop the steal movement and as a new senate judiciary committee report lays out in great detail how far trump went to pressure his justice department to overturn the election. this part's pretty stunning. jessica schneider is "outfront." >> reporter: former president trump relentlessly sought to overturn the election, and today the attempted coup is detailed in this nearly 400-page senate report. trump directly asked justice department officials nine times to undermine the election result. and when the former president considered replacing then acting attorney general jeffrey rosen with loyalist jeffrey clark, a doj lawyer who supported the election fraud lies, white house counsel pat cipollone threatened to quit. >> it was cipollone who spoke up
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who said this scenario was a murder/suicide pact and the president should not do it. >> reporter: the most comprehensive account so far of the president's wide-ranging plot. new accounts from inside the office on january 3 when trump blamed b.j.pak for failing to find massive election fraud in georgia and wanted him fired that prompted acting deputy attorney general richard donoghue that night to call pak that night to tell him to preemptively resign, which he did. republicans have already issued a rebut toll the report, dismissing the idea that trump was attempting a coup, noting that ultimately no action was taken by the doj. >> in fact, if he had made another decision, you would have had a problem. >> reporter: but the senate report just adds to the mountain of revelations showcasing how trump and his loyalists tried to keep the former president in power, and the plot didn't just target the doj. this memo obtained by cnn in mid-september shows how conservative lawyer john eastman
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outlined a six-point scheme to persuade then vice president mike pence to throw out the election results on january 6. >> this has been a massive attack on the integrity of the voting system in the greatest democracy on earth. >> reporter: meanwhile, new court documents revealed rudy giuliani and other trump allies testified under oath that they did little to verify these false election fraud claims before blasting them out to the public. in a sworn deposition, giuliani acknowledged he did not have all the facts before falsely accusing a dominion voting systems executive of changing votes for joe biden, defending it this way, saying we didn't pronounce him guilty. we laid out the facts that we had. and all of this as the former president continues to insist the election was rigged. trump released a statement criticizing the work of the january 6 select committee saying lawmakers should conclude that the real insurrection happened on november 3rd, the presidential election, not on january 6. and despite all that, the select
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committee just issued two new rounds of subpoenas to more people involved in planning the stop the steal rally on january 6, erin. of course, that was the precursor to the capitol attack. one of the subpoenas is to the stop the steal group leader ali alexander. he actually previously claimed that he worked closely with republican congressmen planning the rally, and that he communicated with the white house, all of course major points of interest for the select committee. erin? >> all right, thanks very much, jessica. i want to go now to one of the members of the january 6 select committee, democratic congresswoman zoe lofgren. congresswoman, i appreciate your time tonight. so "the washington post" reports former president trump's lawyer has told the four men who have supposed to provide all that information tonight to not comply with your subpoenas. said absolutely not, don't do it. so what are you going to do about it? >> first, they have until midnight tonight to comply, and we hope that they will. the former president doesn't have the authority to order them
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not to comply. that itself is a violation of law. i hope that these four individuals will do the responsible thing, which is to respond to the subpoena. if not, we're prepared to take any and all actions available to us to force compliance. >> so just yesterday, the former president trump said in a statement, i quote him, the unselect committee of partisan democrats and two very weak and pathetic rynos should come to the conclusion that the real insurrection happened on november 3rd, the presidential election, not sensitive, september 6. the election was fake, he is getting bolder and bolder. >> yes. >> and there doesn't seem to be any repercussion to this. how much does it incense you?
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>> well, it i think anybody who listens to this has to be concerned about the future of our country. we have a democracy, a republic that has lasted for over 200 years, and to think that we would chuck that to one side for mr. trump is astonishing to me. there are people even today who are willing to look the other way. it would be very unwise. we need to find out exactly what happened, who did what when leading up to the insurrection on the 6th. not only to find out what happened, but to make sure that it can't happen again. >> so congresswoman, to get to this point, just dig down here on one very specific point. the senate judiciary committee has just come out with their
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detailed report on trump's efforts and those of jeffrey clark, a top lawyer at the doj to try the overturn the election. and what they say is that trump directly asked the doj nine times to overturn the election. nine times. he directly asked the doj to overturn the election. and yet today, congresswoman, the ranking gop member of the senate judiciary committee, chuck grassley released a rebuttal report, and it includes an entire section with the title, and i quote, the available evidence shows that president trump did not use the justice department to overturn the election." >> it's like saying i took out my gun, i shot at you. i missed. and therefore there is no crime. >> i mean, what do you even say to that? these are your colleagues, for whom i'm sure over years in many cases you have had great respect. >> well, i've certainly had times when i worked with senator
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grassley and times when i disagreed on policy issues. but here's the problem. i can disagree with somebody on policy. but to say that the reality doesn't exist is very problematic. you know, one of my colleagues said in debating the commission idea, you know, the old phrase i'll believe it when i see it has been replaced by somewhere i'll see it when i believe it. we have to look at what's actually occurring here, accept the facts, and go from there. and to pretend that the threat does not exist is not really putting our country first, in my judgment. >> congresswoman, i appreciate your time, and i thank you. >> thank you very much. selie honig is with us, our legal analyst. first, where i started with the congresswoman. the former president's lawyer
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telling these four individuals that have until midnight as the congresswoman emphasized, they have until midnight, but telling them to completely defy congress and not answer those subpoenas at all. is that obstruction of justice? >> yeah, i'm not going to keep my fingers crossed between now and midnight. technically, no, erin, it's not obstruction of justice. a person is entitled to go into court and raise legal objections to a subpoena, even if they're flimsy, as i believe they are in this case. but let's be clear. donald trump has mastered the art of delay. remember, two years ago, 2019, he came out on the white house lawn and said we're fighting all the subpoenas. that's exactly what he has done since then. congress has not laid a glove on him since then. congress needs to do what representative lofgren just said they will do. they're ready to take all and every action. they need to get into the courts quickly. they need to send it over to doj and merrick garland then has a job to do. >> okay. so trump is also planning to
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claim executive privilege. what i'm curious about, the biden administration has made clear when it comes to the executive privilege, we are the executives now, and they believe that's who defines executive. it doesn't matter what executive did it. the executive at the time in charge makes the decision on what to release or not. and that they may release information about what trump was doing on january 6, anything related to january 6. so how is that going to go? are we going to get all this information or not? >> so the biden administration should win on that argument. we don't actually know. no court has ever ruled squarely on who gets to exert executive privilege, the current president or the former president. but the precedent tells us it's the current president. for example, george w. bush early in his presidency got a subpoena for the clinton administration, the prior administration, and it was clinton, not bush exercised. the executive privilege claim is flimsy. it doesn't protect wrongdoing. it doesn't protect criminality.
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it's supposed to protect military secrets and confidential communications. >> i also want to ask you about the judiciary report. trump asked the justice department nine times to overturn the election. i'm not going to ask you about chuck grassley a. as a former prosecutor for the doj that the president of the united states could directly try to pressure the doj directly to overturn an election nine times. >> it's just the ultimate abuse of the justice department. it goes against everything that the justice department is about. and the most disturbing thing to me, we know trump was trying to steal the election. the most disturbing thing to me is that jeffrey clark inside doj was trying to help him. thank goodness we had enough career professionals in there who stood up and prevented it from happening. >> elie, thank you. >> thanks, erin. next, a twist in the manhunt for gabby petito's fiance. brian laundrie's father now apparently helping
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investigators, out with them. what does he know? and senator chuck grassley also under fire for this. >> if i learned anything from korean people, it's the hard work ethic. so i congratulate you and your people.
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the the manhunt for brian laundrie taking on new urgency with his father joining search crews for the first time at the nature reserve in florida. it comes as gabby petito's mother pleads with laundrie to turn himself in, saying she is growing more frustrated as the days go on. leyla santiago is "outfront."
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>> reporter: today brian laundrie's father chris laundrie assisting authorities in the search for his son. after leaving his house alone this morning, chris is seen entering the carlton reserve along with the police. the attorney for the family telling cnn brian's father spent more than three hours at the 25,000 acre reserve, assisting authorities in the search. chris was asked to point out any favorite trails or spots that brian may have used in the preserve, although chris and roberta laundrie provided this information verbally three weeks ago, it is now thought that onsite assistance may be better. brian reportedly told his parents he was headed to the reserve when they last saw him on september 13th. more than three weeks later and still no sign of gabby petito's fiance. the attorney for laundrie's parents telling cnn brian's parents believe he is still there, adding the parents see no reason to make a public call for brian to surrender to authorities because he says, quote, in short, the parents believe brian was and still is
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in the preserve. so there was no reason to issue a plea on media that he, brian, does not have access to. police are now denying that a recent campsite was found at the carlton reserve after a source close to the family reported one wednesday, holding off chris laundrie from the search for a day while police investigated. north port police telling cnn, quote, it possible they thought there might be a campsite out there or something they may have seen from the air, but when they got on the ground, that's not what it turned out to be? sure, i think that's a possibility. but he also says, quote, bottom line is that investigators are telling me that no campsite was found out there. meanwhile, gabby petito's parents and stepparents grieving her loss and telling fox news they hope brian laundrie is found alive. >> he is a missing piece of the puzzle to find out what happened. >> he is the key to the puzzle. >> what happened out there. you know? until they find him, we won't know. >> we believe he knows everything.
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>> and according to the attorney for brian's parents, there were no discoveries out there in that reserve today. he told us that chris laundrie, brian's father, was out there to show search teams his favorite spots or places where brian was known to frequent. and the attorney added in his statement that they hope they can find brian. erin? >> all right, leyla, thank you. i want to go to dave canterbury. he is a survival expert who lived in north florida where the search is under way. casey jordan, a criminologist and behavioral analyst. thanks to both. brian's parents are convinced he is in this nature preserve. that's what they've been saying and they wouldn't look anywhere else. if brian has been there for the past 25 days, how likely do you think it is that he could still be alive and undetected to this point? >> i think a lot of that depends really on how prepared he was
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when he entered the area to begin with. if he had supplies and a backpack, which it's rumored that he had, he had ways to disinfect water through filtration and cover to protect himself from the weather and things like that, he could survive for a certain period of time. but if he had ways to gather food and process that food, he could survive even longer. the question really becomes if you can gather food, how are you going to process and cook that food without starting fire? and if your filtration fails, how you going to disinfect the water without fire? starting fire is going to be a big no-no for him if he doesn't want the get found or seen. so i think it's going to be very difficult for him to stay out there for a very long period of time. but i think up to this point, he could have enough stuff in a backpack to have gotten along this far and still be there. >> that's a pretty significant thing to say. you understand this. a lot of people here 25 days, they wouldn't think that. it's important that you give that context. casey, brian laundrie's father was there at the nature reserve
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future about three hours today with the fbi in their search. brian laundrie father says he showed the fbi the trails, the places brian liked to hike. but he says they already gave this information to the fbi three weeks ago. so what do you think this is all about with brian laundrie's father now joining them here 25 days later? >> i don't think this was so much about looking for campsites. i don't believe that they think that brian laundrie is there or ever was there. i think this is what they call an observational tour. it was more about law enforcement observing chris laundrie, talking to him, maybe trying to loosen him up, try to gain his trust, try to get a little bit more cooperation. and as they walk through the reserve, find out what he is chatting about, what he is telling them about his son. you know, you remember ten years ago with casey anthony, they did an observational tour all the way into universal studios where she said she worked, even though
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they knew she didn't work there, because they were trying to find out what she would do at the end of the game. so i think this was just an exercise in trying to rule out the reserve. i don't think they've ever believed he was really there. at least they ruled it out two or three weeks ago when there was no sign of him at all. >> that's a fascinating point there. dave, gabby petito's family did an interview today where they believe brian laundrie is alive and they cited his experience as an outdoorsman. listen to this. >> i'm not certain, but i would think that he is in an area like the appalachian trail or a campground where he can live off the land, because he had those skills. >> do you think he is alive? do you think he is in the country? >> i do believe he is a alive. country, again, i have no idea. >> dave, they're talking about how he has experience hiking the appalachian trail. obviously, you know, with the van life that he had been living with gabby, we know he has a significant amount of experience. but you know what that really means and what it would really
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require. so would any of this really prepare him to survive in the wild or in that florida nature reserve? >> i think if you're talking about the florida nature preserve, not necessarily. i think there is a lot of things to take into consideration that you wouldn't have to worry about as an appalachian trail hiker. you can on the appalachian trail walk two or three days, bounce in through a town, resupply any equipment that you may need to replace, get food that you may need to get for the next two or three days and move on. you can even get postal drops of supplies and food. he is not going to have that opportunity if he is in that wildlife area. and that's going to make it more difficult for him because he will have to find food from the wild sooner or later. and, again, 25 days, people go that long without food, and it's not a major health concern. but going much longer than that is going to become a major health concern, especially with the weather getting colder and his body core temperature
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adjusting to that and burning more calories faster. >> laundrie's family says his parents are, quote, distraught and upset. i'll be honest with you. people around the country are wondering why they never came out and -- they've never been tearful. they've never expressed that concern. they've never expressed love for his fiancee. they've never asked help to find him. the parents believe brian was and still is in the reserve. so there was no reason to issue a plea on media that he does not have access to. casey, does that explanation make any sense to you? does it make their silence any less suspicious? >> it does not, and from the get-go, i think as we recreate everything, we are figuring out that almost everything they say and do and their attorney says and does is really a red herring. and this campground desoto park that they went to on the 6th, 7th and 8th, i am beginning to wonder if that was a dry run because it's kind of like a
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sandbar peninsula where a boat may have picked him up and scooted him off to a caribbean island. the more we listen to the laundrie family, the more they're getting over on the public and law enforcement, i think they need to look a little more externally. they're afraid he may have harmed himself. i think they say that because they know he is quite well and quite safe somewhere else. >> wow. all right, thank you both very much. i appreciate it. dave, casey. next, the breaking news. the senate voting now to pave the way to raise the debt ceiling. it is not a sure thing, and there is some serious drama right now. ted cruz, wait until you hear what happened to him and mitch mcconnell. he has voted no. lindsey graham has voted now. rick scott has voted no. we're live on capitol hill. sers ready to serve. ahh! quiet, please. triple match point serena williams... this is her moment. ahh! quiet, please.
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we are following the breaking news. the senate now voting to break a filibuster that will pave the way to raise the debt ceiling and avert the nation's first default for a few weeks. democrats need at least ten votes from republicans to make it happen. and it was unclear if they could get over the line. a lot of republicans in the senate voiced anger toward the minority leader mitch mcconnell
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for forcing them to even take this vote. i want to go straight to manu raju who's out front on capitol hill. manu, a lot of drama inside that room with the vote. >> yeah, because republicans did not want to vote for this. they had multiple meetings, just two today, about this vote that was happening because republicans didn't want to carry the water, break a filibuster led by republicans, in order to move to a final vote just to extend the national debt ceiling for about two months. now, right now there are nine republicans who have voted to break ranks. that means they need one more to break a republican-led filibuster, to get 60 voes. the nine republicans include some of the members of the republican leadership, mitch mcconnell who cut the deal, he voted for moving ahead, as did john cornyn, a number who's a part of republican leadership. john thune another member of the leadership. as well as john barrasso. those are some of the members who voted yet. but some of the other ones who have often broken ranks with republicans like lisa murkowski, susan collins, they also voted to move ahead. then you're hearing from some republicans who are retiring, rob portman for one. the ohio republican also voted to move ahead.
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as did richard shelby, he's a long-time appropriator, someone who's retiring next year. he is voting to break this republican filibuster. and just moments ago shelley moore capito, a west virginia republican, also joined with mitch mcconnell. now, the question is who is going to be the 60th vote? we're waiting for that. they don't get 60, of course, that's a big problem. big questions going forward. but at the moment the republicans and democrats are supporting this feel confident that 60 will be there, but barely. >> wow. and yet still one shy. all right. amazing even with that the drama. and the turning on mitch mcconnell. so much more to this story. thanks manu very much. i appreciate it. also tonight, the raise of anti-asian hate unleashed by the coronavirus pandemic is actually rooted in a disturbing pattern of scapegoating and violence against asians throughout american history. and that is the takeaway from lisa ling's latest episode of "this is life requewith lisa li which returns for its eighth season this sunday night and centers around the 1982 murder of vincent chin, a chinese-american killed in
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detroit giby two auto workers who blamed chin for their economic woes. here's a clip. >> by 1982 one in five detroit residents were out of a job. >> it's few and far between, jobs are hard to come by. how about you? you hiring? >> the only thing i can say is move somewhere else. >> suddenly, after a lifetime of well-paying jobs where they could afford a house, two cars, a recreational vehicle, a summer cottage, suddenly it was wiped out. >> the only answer is charity. >> people became destitute. the frustration turned into anger. people wanted to know why is this happening to me? who can i blame? >> in the beginning the workers blamed the company. factories blamed the workers. the politicians blamed each other. and in the end they kind of all reached a consensus. let's blame japan.
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>> for now lisa ling, host of "this is life with lisa ling" which as i said premieres this sunday on cnn. so lisa, that climate of anti-asian hate that you describe in the early 198 o's led to the horrific murder of an asian man that had a deep impact on you when you were a child. tell me why and why it's so important for you to tell this story now. >> well, aaron, this season of "this is life" we're doing something different, which is we are grounding every one of our episodes in an event or a story as part of american history that didn't make it into the history books. because i think it's really important to understand where we've been if we want to understand -- if we want to figure out where we're going and how not to repeat past mistakes. and in the case of vincent chin, as you said, he was a young chinese man who was celebrating his bachelor party at a bar when two out of work auto workers got into an altercation with him. they were kicked out. vincent chin left. and they chased him down and
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murdered him with a baseball bat. and the two men did not serve a day of jail or prison time. and that case became the first ever civil rights case involving an asian-american. but when you think about what has happened in the last year and a half since covid has taken root here, asian americans have been also scapegoated and blamed for bringing the virus here. and it is part of of a pattern of discrimination and scapegoating that spans more than a century. >> and you know, i just wanted to -- this is something that came up today actually in this context of this. you know, sort of the regular or unintentional racism that occurs. the senate judiciary committee held hearings yesterday on president biden's judicial nominees including for judge lucy ko, who if confirmed would be the first korean-american woman to serve as a federal appellate judge. i want to play something the republican senator chuck grassley said to her at the hearing. here it is. >> senator grassley? >> judge, welcome.
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what you said about your korean background reminds me a lot of what my daughter-in-law of 45 years has said. if i learned anything from korean people, it's a hard work ethic and how you can make a lot out of nothing. so i congratulate you and your people. >> and grassley says he meant this as a compliment. but democratic congresswoman juddy chu said of grassley's comments and i quote here, "even if you think you're being complimentary, assigning a character trait to an entire community is the definition of prejudice." how do you see this? >> erin, i saw that clip yesterday, and i certainly cringed. i don't think he meant to be harmful. but you know, i think that there will always be people in this country who don't see asian americans as americans. and that's one of the reasons why so many of us have been speaking out and declaring our belonging in this country. and we're not just your people.
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we are all part of this country. we are american-born citizens. >> yeah. all right. well, i hope -- >> just like lucy ko. >> yes. i hope everyone is going to watch as i always do your incredible series. "this is life with lisa ling," this next installment sunday night at 10:00. you just can't miss it. thanks so much for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. tonight we've learned that the former president is making new efforts to subvert justice and stymie the investigation into his attempt to stay in office by subverting democracy. he's reportedly doing it by invoking executive privilege in the house investigation of the attack on the capitol which he incited. we'll talk to former white house counsel john dean if he can actually do that. meantime, his allies are also still trying to undermine democracy and lay the groundwork for overturning the next election. that's the news tonight, which comes after a day that began with the senate judiciary committee publishing its report on the former president's attempts to overturn the 2020 election. the title is