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attempted coup is key tailed in this nearly 400 page senate report. trump directly asked justice department officials nine times to undermine the result and when the former president considered replacing then acting attorney general jeffery rosen with loyalist jeffrey clark a doj lawyer who supported the election lies white house counsel pat sip loney threatened to quit. >> he spoke up and said he thought this scenario and what they were trying to achieve was a murder-suicide pact and the president should not do it. >> reporter: the committee report is the most comprehensive account so far of trump's wide ranging plot. new revelations include accounts from inside the oval office on january 3rd when trump blamed former u.s. attorney for failing to find mass election fraud in georgia and wanted him fired. that prompted acting deputy attorney general richard donahue to call him that night to tell him to resign which he did. republicans have already issued a rebuttal to the report dismissing the idea trump was
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attempting a coup noting that ultimately no action was taken by the doj. >> so president trump assembled a bunch of people in his office and they discussed what they ought to do. >> reporter: there is still more to find out. the committee is waiting for records from the national a archives which could shed more light on the pressure from the white house and democrats say jeffrey clark has not yet agreed to an interview. >> this has been a massive attack on the integrity of the voting system in the greatest democracy on earth. >> reporter: new documents reveal rudy guiliani and other trump allies testified under oath they did little to verify these false election fraud claims before blasting them out to the public. in a sworn deposition, guiliani acknowledged he did not have all the facts before falsely accusing a dominion voting systems executive of changing votes for joe biden. defending it this way, saying we
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didn't pronounce him guilty. we laid out the facts we had. all of this as the former president continues to insist the election was rigged. trump released a statement criticizing the work of the january 6th committee saying lawmakers should conclude that the real insurrection happened on november 3rd. the presidential election. not on january 6th. the select committee just issued two new round of subpoenas to more people involved in planning the stop the steal rally on january 6th. that was a precursor to the capitol attack. one of the subpoenas is to the stop the steal group leader ali alexander who actually previously claimed he worked closely with republican congressmen planning the rally and communicated with the white house. of course all of those major points of interest for the select committee moving forward. >> thanks so much. let's bring in democratic senator dick durbin of illinois the senate majority whip and chairman of the judiciary committee that just released this report. thanks for joining us.
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i'll get to your report in a moment but i want your reaction to the breaking news from "the washington post" that former president trump is telling his aides to not comply with the house's special committee investigating the january 6th insurrection which subpoenaed those four aides. clearly this shouldn't prisurpr you. i'm sure it doesn't. do you think this is ground for charges against trump and these aides of obstruction of congress? >> take it one step at a time. i don't think mr. trump's aides are ever going to ask me for advice but i would suggest modestly follow the law instead of the ravings of this former president. he doesn't have the power to pardon you anymore. probably i hope never will again. be careful. follow the law. even if the president is begging you to stay away because of the evidence that you might present. >> what about holding them in contempt of congress or holding former president trump? >> i am not going to jump ahead of the script here. i think it is up to the select
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committee to issue the subpoenas and react to witnesses and whether they comply. i won't presume the outcome of that. i'll let them take care of that. >> let's return to are your report which is rather stunning and lays out some very upsetting claims made by former trump officials including acting attorney general jeffery rosen. is anything in here that was done by president trump or doj official jeffery clark or anyone else actually a violation of a law? >> i can't tell you whether it is a specific law that was violated but i can tell you this for sure. we were a half step away from a constitutional crisis the likes of which this nation has never seen. think back on this. november 3rd election trump disputes the results, refuses to accept them. goes to 50 or 60 courts across the united states to make his case. flops and fails in every single one of them. next step? let's go to the department of justice. he has a new attorney acting
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attorney general jeffery rosen. on nine different occasions either on the phone or calling him in the white house, badgering this man to buy into the big lie theory. gives him these crazy theories of vote fraud generated by none other than rudy guiliani and others off the internet and rosen just basically says, no. they're not credible. i'm not going to do it. then comes the moment when trump basically threatens to take away his title as attorney general and put his buddy jeffery clark in the position. i want to tell you at that moment january 3rd or 4th of this year it was a critical moment in our nation's history. thank goodness the president relented at the last second. his own counsel basically said it was a murder-suicide pact he was considering and that there was going to be resignations across the country if he did anything this radical. the president was prepared to do this up until the very last minute. >> so as you know republicans on your committee put out a rebuttal to your report.
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their top listed defense of president trump is, quote, president trump listened to his advisers including high level department of justice officials and white house counsel and followed their recommendations, unquote. in other words, they're saying whatever they talked about doing, they didn't ultimately actually do. how do you respond? >> if i could put that in simple terms i believe what they're saying, well it wasn't a coup. it was only an attempted coup. well, that is the basic evidence before us. it was an attempt by the president of the united states to persuade the attorney general to do something unprecedented in american history and without any support in the law. and he failed in that effort. but he sure as hell tried. nine different occasions. relentlessly badgering this acting attorney general. thank goodness he stood his ground. >> i don't disagree with what you're saying. and the report is alarming and adds new shocking details to what we already knew.
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but i guess my question is now what? what are you going to do to make sure it doesn't happen again? this doesn't have to do with for instance the john lewis voting right act. this is about corrupt officials abusing their power and attempting or discussing disenfranchising millions of americans. what are you going to do? >> well, some things have already been done. merrick garland the new attorney general has established new standards for communication between the white house and the department of justice. the last time we look a serious look at this there was a president named nixon in office and we were in the middle of watergate. it is time to look at the standard of communications. mark meadows every time some hair brained theory would cross his desk was calling the acting attorney general saying, here's proof positive. investigate this one. well, those sorts of things go way beyond the bounds of what we thought was the established standards. the second thing is to say that the department of justice has no business trying to change the outcome of an election in the united states. go after alleged illegality for
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sure. but changing the outcome of the election? hold back. that's just way too far. >> i guess one of the things that the trump era and especially the last few months of the trump presidency revealed to the nation is how much of our system here in the united states depends on the honor system and if there is a group of political leaders who have no honor, that's not going to work. so what more can be done? >> i'll tell you what happened here. jeffery rosen was deputy attorney general and i question whether he was ready for that job based on his background. then came the time when he was actually the acting attorney general for a long period of time. he stood his ground. and that really is at the core of a functioning democracy. people are willing to stand up for principle even under withering political criticism. and how bad could it have been to get a telephone call after telephone call from the president of the united states? >> that is my point. the liz cheneys and adam
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kinzingers over there are the minority. the secretary of state in georgia is about to lose his job possibly to one in on the big lie. they're preparing to do it again. >> history is going to be kind to these people. i'm certain of it. when it is all over that is really the measure of public service. >> well, history -- >> you stand up for principle and value even at the risk of losing an elek. many of these people will be treated very well by history. >> history is written by the winners. i guess we'll see. dick durbin of illinois, thank you so much. would criminal charges against trump allies somehow help the party of trump in a year or so? we'll talk about that next. closer to a vaccine for kids. pfizer going to the fda. could they have shots in little arms by halloween? stay with us. grass is green ♪ ♪ i'm way ahead of schedule with my trusty team ♪ ♪ there's heather on the hedges ♪
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woe are back with breaking news in our politics lead while the house committee investigating the january 6 attack on the capitol is issuing a new round of subpoenas today president trump through his attorney is instructing some of those former advisers such as former chief of staff mark meadows and steve bannon to not cooperate with congressional investigators. that is according to "the washington post." let's discuss. let me start with you as the lawyer on the team here. the deadline for these four trump allies, meadows, kach patel, dan stevinno who they can't even find for them to comply with the subpoenas is tonight. trump is saying according to "the post" don't cooperate. how do you see this playing out? >> this is going to be the test for this january 6th committee
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and for the chairman and vice chair how far they are willing to go in order to enforce their authority and provide for the authority of congress to conduct this investigation. the question is, are they going to make criminal referrals to the justice department for contempt or potentially obstruction? they have a credible investigation. the vehicle for them to enforce it is if they make a criminal referral to the justice department and then it would be on the justice department to enforce that. congress does have an inherent contempt ability. i think it is very rare and would be unusual that congress would go that route. they have the ability to go to the justice department. we'll see how serious they are about getting the cooperation of these individuals. >> and this is actually congressman jason crow democrat of colorado from a swing district outside denver i think, he has said a similar thing. take a listen. >> they continue dois regard the
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subpoenas i'll highly encourage authorities to pursue criminal contempt. if you refuse a subpoena there are consequences for you. there darned well should be consequences for the president and his top enablers and cronies here. >> i have to say i think the biden administration would do this. >> it is very possible. i think that this is the real question facing the justice department as well as the select committee is what does accountability actually look like? the reason they are subpoenaing documents from these witnesses is because they want to get a clearer picture of people who are associates of trump, who are within the campaign, within the administration, and get a sense of what the engagement had been like with the organizers of the stop the steal rally that preceded the insurrection at the capitol. how much did the officials in the white house and the trump campaign who were close to the former president know about the events that led up to january 6th as well as everything that followed. one of the issues the committee has struggled with is what will
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result from this? how do you prevent it from happening again? that is really what a lot of this ultimately comes down to is it is not just about investigating and producing a report. it is actually coming up with some kind of meaningful consequences so that you don't end up with another constitutional crisis especially since former president trump may well run for office again and may well be in the white house again. >> absolutely. i have to admit i am still capable of being shocked if not surprised. the fealty shown by republicans on the senate judiciary committee today ranking member chuck grassley who in the past has stood up for moral causes and been one of the biggest boosters of whistle-blowers in the history of congress out there saying, you know, yes he basically, i'm paraphrasing, yes, president trump talked about committing a coup but he didn't really actually do it. you have something you call the
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side show bob defense. >> the side show bob defense drawn from the animated series "the simpsons." one of the villains is imprisoned for trying to kill bart simpson and in one scene is shown on the phone angrily deploring his fate saying attempted murder? what is that? do they give out a nobel prize for attempted chemistry? the idea being if he was thwarted in his efforts to kill bart therefore he is innocent. obviously the two aren't the same. what i will say about this argument from republicans is it is not new. you've been seeing it from conservatives on social media for months and months. the idea that because ultimately donald trump did not trigger this replacement of the acting attorney general with a loyalist leading to this mass wave of threatened resignations, that they didn't pull the trigger somehow exonerates him which i think would get a skeptical hearing in congress. >> look, the president had a lit match and he sat there for three hours and he talked to the
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assembled in the oval office. imagine that scene. and they finally said to him you can't do it. the white house counsel, it would be a murder-suicide. and they extinguished it. he was ready to throw it. he was ready to do it. he wanted to do it. we know that. but in the end he probably made a political decision, not a legal decision. that it would cause too much of a stir just like he didn't fire bob mueller. same thing. i don't want the political ramifications so i am not going to do it. he didn't do it for ethical reasons believe me. >> it is well documented former president trump wasn't just pressuring top officials in the justice department to help him overturn the election but state and local officials in georgia, arizona. >> dozens. >> his own former vice president mike pence he was pressuring to not certify the election on january 6th. i think for republicans what they are really trying to do is
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separate trump from what really was a crisis of his own making. a lot has to do with tactics going into the midterms. republican voters now overwhelmingly believe this election was fraudulent despite that being completely baseless and it reinforces the grip trump still has over the party that you'll see them put out a rebuttal for what is widely documented as being very much floatd by former president trump and his allies for months. >> here is the thing. about 12 or 15 republican officials from michigan, the wayne county canvasing board, to bill gates the vice chair of the maricopa county board, to schmidt in philly to georgia, jeffrey rosen we're hearing. just 12 of them or something like that if they had just been weaker people or different people in those jobs, this would have been a stolen election. what can congress do to stop it so it doesn't happen again?
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>> there is a political process here and so i think part of this is about future elections and who gets elected into these positions. now the january 6th committee is saying they're thinking about what laws may be passed to prevent this. i think there are two pieces that constantly fall out of this conversation. one is that president trump was impeached for this. there was an impeachment trial. everybody covered it. he was impeached for inciting an insurrection. congress chose, the senate chose not to convict on that. that was the political consequence for the actions that this report is describing. the second piece is that but for certain acts that happened on january 6th this would have been a different outcome. it is not really a punch line. it is that people were killed that day. it's that but for the actions of eugene goodman, pointing people in a different direction, the actions of people who protected certain members of congress this could have been, the courage in
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the moment of mike pence not to subsume to the pressure placed on him. this would have been a completely different outcome. >> isn't this a little different because what the president was trying to do in dozens of cases including in the oval office was commit election fraud. what he was trying to do was pressure people to change the results. >> yes. >> and the insurrection was a part of that but what the president was doing was as president of the united states he was trying to put himself in office. >> he was trying to subvert the constitutional process. we didn't have a peaceful transfer of power. >> right. >> we had a transfer of power that had violence in it. >> he never would promise a peaceful transfer of power as i recall. >> right. one thing the senate report is, there were two tracks to his efforts. the public track which is the months and months and months of sowing doubt that mail-in ballots would be legitimate. there is the public part of it. january 6th is a huge part of
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the public effort. this report and a lot of reporting that we've seen in the last couple weeks whether the eastman memo in which a prominent conservative lawyer basically laid out a step by step process -- there is a private part of this. we're seeing this two track develop. we've all watched the public part. it was unmisable. now we're getting a lot more. that is why the commission, the committee is so important because they're trying to flesh out the connections between people inside the west wing and people on the lawn and marching down pennsylvania avenue to congress. >> it is just incredible. again, chuck grassley the top republican, trump had everyone in the white house to discuss that and unanimously except for one they said you shouldn't do it. the lawyer rejected it. the president rejected it and did the right thing. that is a delusional reflection of what happened. >> for three hours he tried to talk them out of it and wanted to do the wrong thing. >> he told the justice department nine times to undermine the results of the election. >> he called dozens of officials around the country.
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>> former president trump's ability to overturn -- inability to overturn the election was not for lack of trying. rioters stormed the capitol and had every intention of inflicting violence on members of congress, former vice president mike pence, but again, former president trump is the figurehead of the republican party. you know, they've already made their bed and now they just, this is a never ending cycle we've been talking about for six yoers and because january 6th and the idea the election was fraudulent is so central to trumpism republicans will continue to go along with it. >> the last point on this, it is unbelievable how many of the republicans who are pretending this was normal, didn't happen, or that there was fraud or whatever, unbelievable how many of them who are participating in this lie to their voters were on the same ballots elected by the same people the same day but somehow their elections were fine. thanks one and all. appreciate it. pfizer asks the fda to authorize its vaccines for young
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to get an idea how long from today when they applied for the emergency use authorization, until the time when shots will go into children's arms, we can actually take a listen, lesson rather from what happened with adults when the same thing happened at the end of last year. pfizer applied for emergency use authorization and really within weeks shots were going into people's arms. let's take a look. if we look at what is happening now fda advisers will meet about the children's vaccine on october 26th so that is right around the corner. for adults the cdc gave the vaccine the green light two days after fda advisers met. two days from the equivalent of october 26th the cdc said let's go and people were getting shots. really that is kwquite amazing. it really happened quite quickly. the big question is if we remember at the end of last year the rollout to get shots into people's arms did not go so smoothly.
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it was really quite a bit of a mess for kwoit a while. the thinking is that won't happen this time. let's take a listen to jeff zaenz the head of the white house covid-19 response team. >> we are ready. we have the supply. we're working with states to set up convenient locations for parents and kids to get vaccinated including pediatricians' offices and community sites. so we'll be ready pending the cdc and fda action. >> reporter: in other words the structure is already there because adults have been getting vaccines for quite sometime now. also pediatricians are great at giving vaccines, ordering them, giving them, that is not true for all doctors. so all signs are that this will be much smoother. >> former fda commissioner dr. scott gotleib predicted this vaccine with the authorization of the antiviral pill from merck pharmaceuticals could essentially mean the end of this phase in the pandemic. but i know not everyone agrees
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with that. what do we know? >> i think what dr. gotleib was saying is a little controversial. nobody has a crystal ball. in june everyone felt this was kind of ending and then the delta variant came around. let's listen to what dr. gotleib had to say. >> we'll have hopefully a vaccine available for children and at some point before the end of the year probably will have the orally available drug from merck if things go well and that undergoes a favorable review. i think those two are going to be sort of a book end on the pandemic phase of this virus and we'll be entering the more endemic phase. >> reporter: not everyone is quite as optimistic as dr. gotleib. i guess we shall see. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. new details about how a major corporation played a key role in the birth of a far right media conspiracy theory channel. we'll follow the money, next. from fidelity. it ben isn't worried about retirement
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in our money lead we are following the money behind one america news network or oann the ultra far right cable network that is a major source of lies masquerading as facts. a new reuters investigation based on a review of court records reveals oann has flourished thanks to financial support from a surprising main stream source, at&t. yes, the same at&t that owns warner media, the parent company of cnn. first a little back groun. robert herring a businessman with no prior journalism experience created oann in 2013. two years later the channel began to gain a following by live streaming then presidential candidate donald trump's campaign rallies. these days it has become one of the main peddlers of trump world lies. >> trump won the election. he'll win the recount. he'll win in court. >> right now joe biden is
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pretending to be the president-elect. >> we here at one america news are the only ones providing truthful, accurate numbers. you're at the top of your game. what is your secret? >> oan has been fantastic. i mean, really fantastic. they've been great. >> reporter: a live stream from the upside down. with us now our senior media reporter and take us through the money trail. at&t executives in 2013 asked robert herring to form a conservative news channel. did they envision this live stream of crack pottery? >> i'm not sure what they envisioned. i know that the depositions we found showed robert herring testified and his son also said in court records at&t and executives came to him, to them, and were talking about alternative networks and the
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herrings were considering a news network or boxing network and when the executives told them that a conservative news network would be the way to go, herring says he jumped at the opportunity and that's why he created one america news. the other reason he said was because he wanted to make money. >> the problem of course is oann is not a conservative news network. it is lies. you also say without the tens of millions of dollars that oann gets from the satellite tv provider directv they would have no revenue. they would likely go out of business and just to be clear on this at&t owned directv then last august it spun it off. at&t still retains a 70% stake in the new company. in other words, at&t is still keeping this network alive. >> what was remarkable was when
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i found a transcript of their own lawyer oann's own lawyer saying if the directv contract with at&t and oan was not renewed they would go out of business tomorrow. >> oliver you've been working your sources since john's report in reuters came out. what is at&t's reaction to this report? >> well, jake, at&t put out a pretty lengthy statement yesterday. it really doesn't address a lot of the substance in the reporting at hand. i do want to read it to you. it says in part, at&t has never had a financial interest in oan's success and does not fund oan. the statement goes on to say directv offers a wide variety of programming including many news channels to offer a variety of view points but it does not dictate or control programming on the channels. any suggestion otherwise is false. of course, jake, that does quite san fies what oan is. it is not a news channel. it is a conspiracy network and
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i'm not really sure why they're comparing the two. >> it is weird because at&t is so supportive of the work at cnn where we report the news and we have been fighting off this wave of conspiracy theories and lies. it is disspiriting to know they're doing this. and, you know, oliver, this week we've devoted a lot of time to covering the whistle-blower who says facebook is prioritizing profits over stopping misinformation that hurts people. this is pretty close to the same thing >> i think we're finally starting to have a conversation about the companies behind the scenes that allow outlets like oan to profit off of lies. we talked about this earlier this week with facebook and how that platform allows for the spread of misinformation and conspiracy theories. it's also good we're talking about it in the realm of television. an outlet like oan would not be allowed to spread this sort of hate and wakiness to millions of
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homes if not for a company like at&t that is choosing to do business with them and frankly enable and platform them. this is important because we've seen the damage that these crazy conspiracy theories can do whether regarding the big lie and january 6th or vaccines and the coronavirus pandemic. these lies are corrosive to our country, damaging to our democracy, and being enabled by companies like at&t. >> at&t is making a lot of money off of this? i am still not entirely sure why they're doing this. >> i'm not sure how much they're making off of their relationship with oan. i can't say. but i can say to follow up on your colleague's point, we found that there was an oan viewer, a woman who said she got most of her news from oan and then she sent a threatening e-mail to the
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colorado secretary of state that the colorado secretary of state took very seriously. it was akin to a death threat. so what the media publishes can definitely have consequences. >> with that dispirting news, thank you so much. we're following the money and appreciate john leading the way. coming up he said enough. after the mass deportation of haitian migrants on the border the special envoy to haiti who quit the biden administration, well, he is now speaking to congress. that's next.
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afternoon members of congress heard from daniel foote. who is daniel foote you ask? the former u.s. envoy to haiti who resigned last month in protest of the treatment of refugees along the texas mexico border by the biden administration. in his resignation letter foote famously blasted the biden administration for what he called inhumane, counterproductive decision to deport thousands of haitian migrants who crossed the border from mexico into texas. what did he have to say today? >> he repeated that but this time in front of members of congress. the theme of the hearing was the deteriorating situation in haiti. this is a country rattled by an earthquake this year and assassination of its president. it is not a country that is prepared to receive migrants and he took that head on. >> haiti's government and haiti as a country cannot support the people it has there right now. the last thing they need is
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desperate people without anything to their names because they just spent everything trying to get to the states coming back and there is no safety net. it is just a recipe for human tragedy. >> he called this a human tragedy, and the democrats and republicans in this hearing, they reiterated that. it was a bipartisan criticism of the administration's actions. >> does the biden administration plan to change course on their decision to deport haitian migrants who come to the united states many of whom by the way haven't been in haiti in a decade because they fled after the 2010 earthquake i think it was. >> that's right. they've been in south america for many years. the short answer to the question is no. the biden administration is hanging on to that public health authority that allows them to swiftly expel migrants including haitians back to haiti. a homeland security spokesperson tells me they anticipate flights
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are going to decrease as less haitian migrants come to the border but they are hanging on to this authority publicly and in court. i should note too homeland security secretary mayorkas will be in mexico this week and immigration enforcement is >> you said it's a bipartisan condemnation of the biden administration, but would you also agree that there are people in congress and in the media who might be a little bit more exercised right now if this was going on under trump as opposed to biden? >> that's a great question, and that is a question that actually comes up in the hearings, and republicans and democrats are going to use either administration to condemn the policies. in fact, we saw this on the border yesterday with texas governor greg abbott who said the biden administration needs to bring back trump era policies. the trump era policies are in place. these are crises that keep happening and they're being aggravated by the covid pandemic. >> and the fact that people want to blame and not solve.
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in our national lead cnn is bringing you an all new season of "this is life" with lisaling, and this time around lisa is taking a deep dive on some of the most challenging issues that have defined this past tumultuous year. the first episode will look at the recent rise in anti-asian and anti-asian-american hate crime. and how this is rooted in a long history of discrimination in this country. >> this is where your car was
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parked right here. >> you can see burn all the way through. black, and dirty. see? >> so when you come out of your house and you see this. >> i think what happened to my car? who took my car? >> it makes you sad. >> yeah, i'm sad right now. >> so the only cars that burned that night was your car and another asian man's car? >> yes. >> do you think it may have to do with the fact that you are asian? >> i don't know 100%, i don't know who did it. i don't know. >> so sad. joining us now is the host of "this is life" lisaling. obviously this is a deeply personal episode for you, and in the episode you talk about how you have faced discrimination and said, you, quote hated being
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chinese when you were very young. what were you hoping to uncover with this episode? >> well, jake this season, our season eight, we're doing something a little different, which is we are grounding every one of our episodes in a moment in american history that didn't make it into the history books because so often you can make a connection to those moments and what we're experiencing today, and we highlight the story of vincent chin who is a young chinese american man who in the 1980s during the economic downturn, particularly in the automobile industry in detroit was accused of being japanese by two out of work auto workers in a bar, and they got into an altercation. the two men were kicked out of the bar. they waited for vincent chin. when he left, they chased him down and beat him to death with a baseball bat, and the two men did not serve a day in jail or prison. they paid like a $3,000 fine and
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served a number of months on probation. and when you look at what's been happening in the last year and a half since covid became rooted here, there are some similarities. the asian community has been skate goated and the virus has been weaponized against the community, and attacks against asian people has increased over a thousand percent, and so it's so important to recognize that this is a pattern of discrimination and abuse that asians have dealt with that goes back even longer, more than a century, and so many of these episodes that are part of the season give us a sense of how those events impacted where we are today, and it's interesting, jake, that one of the fiercest debates going on in government in local legislatures, in school boards, in homes is about the telling of history and what kinds of history to teach our
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kids because we know that history is told through a certain lens, and i for one never learned anything about asian-american history in school, and when that happens, it becomes really easy to overlook and even dehumanize an entire population. >> tell us more about other subjects you have in store for this season. >> well, we will be looking into the roots of conspiracy theories in this country, which i know is a big topic for so many of us. we will look into this period in the 1950s when gay people were considered to be a threat to our national security, and we also look into a race riot that happened in chicago in '19, and we draw the connection between what's happening in the streets of chicago today. >> can't wait to watch. lisa ling, thank you so much. the new season starts, "this is life" with lisal ling.
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you can tweet the show @the lead cnn. you can listen to "the lead" wherever you get your podcasts. all two hours. it's right there for you. our coverage continues with one wolf blitzer right next door in "the situation room." i'll see you tomorrow. happening now, breaking news, there's new reporting that former president trump's current lawyer is telling allies not to comply with congressional subpoenas in the january 6th investigation. this as four trump loyalists are staring down a deadline to respond tonight. also breaking, the senate just scheduled a vote on a short-term extension of the debt limit that would avert a devastating default for now, but republicans are casting doubt on whether the votes are there to break a filibuster. and pfizer makes it official, asking the fda to authorize its covi