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investigations. >> mana, you play soccer, you both do, because you love it. and i know this has taken some of that joy away. you play because you're so good at it and it brings a lot of joy to fans. and i just -- i wonder what you say, mana, to fans who are watching who have enjoyed the opportunity to see both of you and so many other women perform and had no idea this was going on behind the scenes and are so, you know, disappointed and heart broken for you both and others to learn this. what do you want them to know? >> i want them to know that we are so grateful for their unwavering support, that they keep showing up, that they were outraged by this. we didn't know how people were going to respond when we came out and told our stories. the response has been overwhelming. and just that we have always tried our best. you know, we always showed up and tried our best to enjoy the game and play as well as we
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could to entertain our fans. and this was -- it was really difficult for us. but having them stick by us through it all has made it all worth it. >> i know this has been very tough for both of you. sinead and mana, i thank you so much for coming on the program and telling us your story. we appreciate it so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> "new day" continues right now. good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. it is thursday, october 7th. i'm john berman with brianna keilar. and we do have breaking news. more than 2,000 court documents obtained by cnn reveal that trump cronies, like rudy giuliani and sydney powell admitted under oath they did little to verify election fraud claims before amplifying them on the national stage. >> in the meantime, it is
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deadline day for four trump aides to comply with subpoenas from the house committee investigating the january 6th insurrection. this committee wants documents from these folks. one of those aides, dan scavino, where in the world is he? nowhere to be found. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider joining us with more on the breaking news. tell us what you found. >> our team has been going through these 2,000 court documents. it is a team that includes tyranny snead and caitlyn polanz. they found top trump allies admitting under oath in depositions they did nothing to verify all these false claims that they went on television to spout and that they repeated for weeks after the election, rudy giuliani admitting in his deposition that in one set of allegations he only reviewed them for about an hour. so all of this is coming out because of the former executive for dominion voting systems eric coomer. he's suing the former trump campaign attorneys rudy giuliani and sydney powell for defaming
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him when they repeatedly claimed he tampered with votes. he said as a result he suffered severe emotional distress, he's seen his reputation tarnished and, of course, as part of this case, he's now working to show that giuliani and powell knew that what they were saying was false, or that they made these claims recklessly. what exactly did they say? giuliani called this executive a vicious, vicious man, with antifa ties, sydney powell claimed that he had been recorded in a conversation with antifa members, saying that he had the election rigged for biden. now, powell has since said in the deposition there is no such reporting, no proof as to this. and, of course, with this defamation suit there has been discovery. giuliani and powell have given sworn depositions, admitting they did little to no vetting of these false claims of election fraud. and in fact, rudy giuliani seemed to act exasperated in his deposition that he should be expected to vet these claims before amplifying them in a
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national press conference. he said this about coomer. he said exactly what role he played, i had no idea. it is a big company, lots of people do different things. i had no idea, nor was i particularly interested at that point. what we're also seeing in the court documents is something the new york times previously reported, that about a week before powell and giuliani made these claims about coomer and dominion in public, people on the trump campaign actually put together a memo specifically debunking key points of those claims. however, in these court documents, we're not seeing any indication that the memo was actually ever shared with giuliani or powell. now, there are several cases here, where state officials are seeking sanctions for these false election claims. and in fact, in august, a federal judge actually sanctioned sydney powell among others, the judge saying this, the question before the court is whether plaintiffs attorneys engaged in litigation practices that are abusive and in turn
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sanctionable. the short answer is yes. that's from a judge. these court documents, they also detail how conservative media played a big role blasting out these false claims that dominion voting systems or employees tampered with the election. these are media outlets like one america news and newsmax and the documents are showing that these news organizations or so-called news organizations didn't take key steps like contacting coomer and instead just went with the false claims. it is important to note newsmax did subsequently issue a retraction, and apology. they settled their part of the defamation lawsuit. now, guys, our team, we reached out to attorneys for rudy giuliani, sydney powell, the trump campaign, no response. of course, they all want this defamation suit dismissed. the court in colorado still deciding exactly what to do. but we're going through these troves of documents and they're showing that sydney powell and rudy giuliani, they just went on television. they just held these press
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conferences spouting these false claims without ever really looking into them and not really caring about the fact that they were false. >> they're lawyers. they know you're not just allowed to do that. right. this isn't just negligence. >> yeah. and sydney powell has been sanctioned by a judge for these false claims and there could be a lot more to come because other state officials are seeking retribution for this. >> well -- >> unbelievable. >> more continues to come in. >> thank you for that report. we know you're continuing to look through these documents. joining me now is senator dick durbin, democratic whip and chair of the senate judiciary committee. senator durbin, i know you have your own news to break this morning about an interim report from your committee. but, first, can i get your reaction to what we just reported here on cnn, these documents show that rudy giuliani and sydney powell were out in public spouting claims for which they had done little due diligence? >> we can see evidence of that in our report that we're really seeing from the judiciary committee. it was some of the most
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preposterous ideas, italygate, i think you remember that, supposedly some italian satellites were hooked up to the dominion voting machines, bizarre theories, being pushed by the white house, of course, trump white house, on the department of justice. and that was part of the problem here. they were trying to get investigations, mark meadows was calling for them, the president was calling for them, of claims that had already been completely discredited. they wanted to create a scenario and commentary they could take to the states and tell them to overturn the results of the election. so, yes, i know that giuliani was hard at work, he's been disbarred for his efforts and powell the same. making statements which she couldn't back up when she was called on. >> based on this report, which you are releasing this morning, how close was it in a way to working? >> we were half a step away from a constitutional crisis, a full blown constitutional crisis.
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understand the three phases. first phase, trump goes to court. loses every lawsuit, which claims there was voter fraud in the election. next, he decides he has to take over the department of justice. and the attorney general. and have the attorney general push this narrative on to the states to tell them to stop from sending in their electoral college vote totals. when that failed and our report goes into graphic detail of the efforts that were made, the third step was to turn the mob loose on the capitol the day we were counting the ballots. those are the three phases. our report shows in detail how relentless this president was, were it not for jeffrey rosen, richard owe donahue and eight members of the department of justice who said we'll resign if you take rosen out of the picture and put clark in, jeffrey clark in, if those efforts weren't made, we could have seen a collapse of that department of justice into a political entity. they already had their handpicked successor, man named
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jeffrey clark, ready to take over. and he was involved in areas that he should not have even touched as head of the division. >> jeffrey clark was the acting assistant attorney general who was willing and trying to push many of these claims and get states to do things on the basis of arguments that simply weren't true. you mentioned there was a threat of a mass resignation by the acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and from reading parts of the report, i've been pouring over it the last few minutes as i could, the white house counsel at that time pat cipollone was also involved. what was his role? >> it was a good role. i won't speak to everything pat cipollone has done in the white house. i'm not aware of it. but on that day, when the president was teetering on the precipice and whether or not he was going to remove the acting attorney general jeffrey rosen, replace him with jeffrey clark, it was scipollone who spoke up and said he thought the scenario
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and what they were trying to achieve was a murder/suicide pact and the president should not do it. the president was stalled for at least a moment by that resistance in the white house. and he decided to fire the u.s. attorney in georgia, b.j. pack, who had refused to cooperate as well. so it was a volatile time, and if it had gone the other way, it would have been disastrous for our country. >> you mentioned some of the sanctions that are already been levied on rudy giuliani, his ability to practice law in some places, the discussion around sydney powell, your committee is asking i think the d.c. bar to look into jeffrey clark for what he did, yes? >> yes. and we did that very carefully, taking a look at his role. but clark, who emerged in this, he was suggested to the president by a pennsylvania republican congressman, and then all of a sudden sprung out of the department of justice to everyone's surprise and became the president's man. the president even promised him apparently that he would be the next attorney general. and what he did in terms of
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asking for the department of justice to get involved in this political exercise goes way beyond the bounds of fitness and his worthiness to serve as a lawyer in the district of columbia. >> you mentioned u.s. scott perry of pennsylvania, a republican. your report goes into detail about the role of a u.s. congressman played in trying to push the lies. >> well, and the president even referred to that at one point, that if we couldn't get the job done in other quarters, he had friends in congress who were going to carry the water for him. and there were others who were involved in it. and players coming from all sorts of different places for the president. but most of their claims were just as preposterous as rudy giuliani's claims. some inspired by giuliani. that's what the president was basing his case on. when people in the department of justice says we haven't seen any evidence and the president's retort was well, you don't watch the internet as closely as i do, that's what the president's source was and he grabbed any straw he could find that might
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suggest he won the election when clearly he did not. >> you're working on this, some of your other colleagues are working on a deal for a short-term postponement of the issue of whether or not the united states will default on its debt, raising the debt ceiling, delaying that -- postponing that until december as it were. is this something you support, the delay, and how does this change anything? does it make it more likely you support using reconciliation and get this done permanently? >> well, let me tell you, thank goodness senator mcconnell backed off of his threat of taking this to the nth degree when it came to the debt ceiling. we have never as a nation defaulted on our debt. as soon as we lose our reputation in the credit markets, interest rates go up, feeds inflation, families face higher interest rates and the united states taxpayers have to pay more for our debt. it was a reckless and irresponsible strategy, which senator mcconnell finally realized. he has extended the debt ceiling
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until december. still has not resolved as it should be. but at least during this period of time we can finally act on the bipartisan infrastructure bill as well as the reconciliation bill, which has the largest tax cut for working families on our nation's history. we can get this important work done because this threat of a debt ceiling is not looming over our heads. >> senator dick durbin, we appreciate you being with us. you got a lot going on. >> thank you. joining us with his analysis is cnn political direct and the host of the cnn political briefing podcast david chalian. this was quite a move by mitch mcconnell. >> it was quite a move. you don't normally see mitch mcconnell move off the dime. when he declares a position, he sticks with it. there are two things behind this move. one, the donor community, the business community that has strong relationships with mitch mcconnell and many of his republican members in his conference were applying pressure that this was -- this appeared to be careening out of hand and there was real danger to the economy. clearly those conversations were
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taking place and had some impact. but then as our colleague manu raju was reporting, the other piece of this is that whole debate over the filibuster that we have been seeing all year long that mcconnell was actually getting worried that manchin and sinema, the two democratic opponents to filibuster reform, might get a little weak kneed on this one issue and start chipping away at the filibuster which is a tool mitch mcconnell uses time and time again and had no desire to see any damage done to. i think his concern that the democrats were going to use this as an opportunity since biden and schumer seemed on board, to chip away at the filibuster gave him real concern and also expedited this movement in his position. >> we're saying mitch mcconnell blinked. i didn't know his eyes worked that way. i didn't know they could blink. david, the democrats and the president are in trouble in the polls. the polls give some clear warning signs for members of congress, for 2022, joe biden in
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2024, and other democrats in, like, a few weeks. >> yeah. i mean, this week terry mcauliffe, on the ballot, in just a few weeks in virginia running for his old job again said in a virtual meeting with supporters, you know, the president is unpopular here in virginia. that's not normally something you hear from candidates who are on the ballot, and talking about the head of their party. his point was, you know, we have got to be able to try and overcome what is already a clear hurdle in trying to win this election which is that we can't ride biden's coattails because biden doesn't have coattails right now. our latest poll, polls on biden approval rating, he has 45% approval, it is not disastrous, it is not where any president wants to be, especially when they're trying to muscle through their agenda. what is the best way to get your party unified around your agenda? say, hey, i'm going to be there for you, your election, look how popular i am. that is not available to joe biden right now, especially in a
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lot of those swing districts. the 2022 midterms are going to be tough for the democrats no matter what. that is what history dictates. but the fact that biden right now is under water, and the fact that he's bleeding support with independents, which was critical to his coalition to win the presidency, i think you are right, john t, to call them warning signs. i don't think there is desperation or despair that they feel this sun able to be turned around, but they are in a bit of a lull at the moment, no doubt, at precisely the moment he's trying to get his agenda through, and this virginia election is going to be -- have a lot of people reading tea leaves. >> and mcauliffe was hoping he would have this infrastructure deal, social safety net plan to tout. let's talk about the subpoenas, subpoenas for documents, but these are for four top trump former even current confidants that congress has put forward
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and these trump aides, they're not expected to comply. this is the last day. >> yeah, no, they are not expected to comply. which i don't think will shock anyone. but, you know, the former president put out this statement yesterday in advance of this to try and give support to his former aides in not complying. a statement that he -- i was so crazy when you read it, and i know we have gone through a lot of trump statements, but he was saying, no, no, no, the insurrection wasn't january 6th, where we saw the violent mob on the capitol, but the insurrection was in november and the election. and that that was the insurrection. to me, i look at that statement, he'strying to give comfort to his former aides, it is a disqualifying statement for the office he may seek again and he once held and yet, as we know, the republican party fealty to him makes it not a disqualifying statement for him. the fact that a former president of the united states who is the front-runner to be the nominee again for the party can suggest
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that a fairly held presidential election, that he lost on election day represented an insurrection against the government, it is other level. >> look, people like mitch mcconnell, very critical of what the president did in january 6th, but then thought he would go away, this just shows he hasn't and it is creating this -- it is very dangerous, david. you look at this and look at history, i'm talking hundreds of years of history in the united states, look at people who said things like that. and where it has gone. >> skexactly, john. mitch mcconnell, i don't know if he was wishing it would go away. yes, he spoke out on some occasions, his silence on this and his allowing his party that he leads to be silent on this is why donald trump hasn't gone away. >> there are no obstacles to this kind of behavior. that's what we're seeing. thank you. >> thank you, guys. coming up, a federal judge blocks texas' new anti-abortion law. is this going to last? what does this mean for texas women today? plus, a major breakthrough in the search for brian laundrie.
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all right, breaking overnight, the ban of nearly all abortions in texas, that ban has
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been blocked for now. a federal judge sided with the biden administration finding the law that banned abortion when a fetal heart beat is detected violates a woman's constitutional right to an abortion. cnn's laura jarrett joins us now. it is an important moment, but maybe fleeting. >> john, this should be a hugely important ruling for women waking up in the state of texas this morning who want access to an abortion. i say should be, because they had their constitutional rights vindicated here on paper, but what about as you say inaction? the unusual part of this law, remember, was that it doesn't just ban abortion when a doctor hears a heart beat, but gives private citizens the ability to sue abortion providers, basically anyone that helps, and we know that this law was deliberately crafted by lawyers because it wanted to make it harder to challenge it. wanted to make it harder to sue. so to get the law struck down, the justice department had to figure out a way to show the harm to the united states. and the interesting strategy here was not just to show the
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violation of women's rights in texas, but how this law affects interstate commerce here in the united states because all the reporting out there shows the law didn't stop abortions. it just stopped them from women who don't have the money and who don't have the resources and plenty of other women are crossing state lines to get abortions in places like louisiana and oklahoma and that's putting a huge burden on neighboring states' clinics. that was the hook and the job was persuaded by that and other arguments made by doj lawyers and he uses some pretty strong language. he's got over 100 pages of an opinion here and writes this in part, from the moment sb-8, the law in texas, from the moment it went into effect, women have been unlawfully preevented from exercising control over their lives in ways that are protected by the constitution. this court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation of such an important right. now, i should note, this is just one judge, appointed by president obama, he knows this will get appealed to the 5th
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circuit which has a reputation for leaning more conservative, but he offered a road map in this 100 plus page opinion for a way to get this struck down for good. >> i know you'll be watching this over the next several days because there could be more developments very quickly. laura jarrett, thank you. >> sure. significant new developments in the search for brian laundrie. remnants of a recently used campsite have been found at the florida reserve where his parents told law enforcement sources they believe that he was -- where they believed he was. laundrie's father has now reportedly been asked to help officials track him down and laundrie's parents have changed their story about when they last saw their son. they told authorities that they last saw him on september 13th, you may recall that it was one day earlier than they previously disclosed. they said the 14th. it is five days now. not four. five before they reported him missing. the update is coming after police confirmed a car belonging to the laundrie family had been abandoned outside the reserve. let's discuss with fugitive
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investigator zeke unger. let's talk, first, about the remnants of a campsite. what does that tell you? >> well, first, i think we have to ascertain if it was actually the fugitive's campsite or was it a normal campsite belonging to someone else. you need to have factual evidence before you start moving forward with your investigation. >> police have asked brian's dad to help out in the search. this seemed to have been suspended because of the finding of this campsite. what do you make of that request for help from the dad? >> i think it was motivated by the family legal team. i think they said that they should get involved in the investigation so it doesn't look like hash rboring, aiding and abetting is taking place. i also believe there is possibly a negotiation, a surrender negotiation in place. or maybe the fact that the father is concerned that his son may come back in a body bag
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versus handcuffs. it is a pretty good motivator. >> do you think brian laundrie is still alive? >> i do. i do. and i said from the beginning, he's probably tired, overwhelmed, physically and mentally exhausted, being on the run is very taxing. and one thing that we also have to take into consideration in a legal system, there is no additional penalty for going on the run and very rarely is aiding and abetting prosecuted in the court system. so it is kind of, like, do what you're going to do, and you're going to get caught, it is just a matter of when. >> all right, zeke, we know you're watching intently as are we. zeke unger, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. coming up, canada imposes vaccine requirements for air and train travel. should the u.s. follow suit? we're going to ask the white house next. plus, taiwan says china could be capable of launching a full scale invasion by 2025.
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in just a few hours, president biden will head to chicago where he'll be speaking about the importance of vaccine requirements. the biden administration has put into place several vaccine requirements including one that requires companies with more than 100 employees to require full vaccination or weekly tests from the workforce. they say the mandates cover about 100 million workers in the country. and joining us more to talk about this is jeff zions, the white house covid-19 response coordinator. thank you for being with us. we're seeing here that pfizer has now applied for emergency use authorization for its vaccine for children age 5 to 11. can you give us an update on how this affects the timeline for people that age? >> yeah, i think we can all agree that getting a safe and effective vaccine for kids 5 to 11 is a really important next
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step in our fight against the virus. and this is an important development this morning. pfizer is applying for emergency use authorization. the fda scheduled time to review this with its advisory panel at the end of the month. that would be followed by the cdc's recommendation, so it is dependent upon the science and the medicine and the fda and the cdc's actions, but those are all at the end of the month, and if there is approval or authorization, and cdc recommendation we're ready, we have the supply, we're working with states to set up convenient locations for parents and kids to get vaccinated, including pediatricians offices and community sites. we'll be ready pending the cdc and fda action. >> you think this could begin before thanksgiving? >> again, up to the fda and cdc scientific processes, but, yes, it could. and we will be ready as soon as the fda and cdc give the go
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ahead. >> okay, and look, i know you've been looking at some of the poll numbers about parents and whether they're willing to vaccinate their kids and what we have seen is that there are parents who may not be vaccine hesitant for adults or for themselves, but had iwhen it coo their kids, they're approaching this with more hesitancy. how do you combat that? >> there are a lot of parents who are ready to have their 5 to 11-year-olds vaccinated and i said we'll be ready pending cdc and fda recommendations to do just that. as the vaccine was introduced back in december, the level of questions and confidence was lower, and what we have seen is across time it has grown. we have 78% of adult americans with at least one shot. i would anticipate that as parents and their children have questions of their pediatricians and other local health professionals and gs and they ge
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questions answered, more and more parents and kids will want to get their kids vaccinated. >> i'm in line ready for it. you cannot stop me. ahead of the president's visit here to chicago, you have some new research that you've been looking at that shows something about vaccine mandates. and how that works. what can you tell us? >> well, you know, the president has a six-part plan to accelerate our path out of the pandemic. a cornerstone of that plan is getting the unvaccinated vaccinated. the president did a lot across the last many months to make vaccines readily available, convenient at over 80,000 locations, states offered incentives and the president decided a month or two ago it was time to have vaccine requirements to get that final group of people vaccinated. and what we're seeing is that the early movers on vaccine requirements are having really strong results. vaccine rates up 20, 25% into 90
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plus percent of people vaccinated. so vaccine requirements work, they're also good for the economy, and it gets people back into the workplace. economists have estimated that up to 5 million more people will be able to join the labor force. and we all know from our own personal habits, consumer spending, going to restaurants, local small businesses, as we beat the virus, as we accelerate our path out of the pandemic, it will be more consumer spending, which helps strengthen the economy, and the last point i would make is that vaccine requirements are widely supported by businesses over 25% of businesses are already have put together their vaccine requirement plans and are implementing them. labor unions, universities, healthcare systems, all support vaccination requirements as does the majority of the american public. so vaccine requirements work, they're good for the economy and widely supported. >> the question now is how far will government go in implementing these and, you know, in our neighbor, canada,
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the prime minister just announced a requirement for passengers and for staff, air and rail travel, they have to be vaccinated and this is going into effect the end of next month. is this something that the u.s. needs to do? >> vaccine requirements that the president is talking about today are for the workforce, 100 million workers. that's two out of three of all workers in the u.s. and we believe that's a very effective and efficient way to implement vaccine requirements. as you know, on airplanes people are required to mask. just last month as part of the president's plan, the fine for not masking was doubled. what i will say is that every lever that we can pull is on the table as a possibility here, so we'll continue to look at ways to ensure that more and more americans get vaccinated. >> we look at the major carriers. you see delta does not have a vaccine requirement for its
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staff. you look at united and others, they do. and the numbers don't lie. it tells you that it works because delta has a significantly lower number of staff that is vaccinated. so, i mean, it works, right? it works, so why not implement that? >> it really works. united is headquartered in chicago, the ceo will be with the president today. united has 99% of its 67,000 workers have now gotten vaccinated. and many, many airlines have followed suit. as you mentioned, delta has not yet put in place a requirement. we would encourage all airlines and all large employers to have vaccine requirements. >> do you think the u.s. will more than encourage that they may require them and not just the major carriers, all carriers, at some point? >> we have done these types of requirements. as you mentioned, the department of labor for all employers greater than 100. if you want to contract with the federal government, which the major airlines do, you have to
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have a vaccination requirement. all of your employees need to be vaccinated. all federal employees need to be vaccinated. healthcare workers need to be vaccinated based on the president's actions. so the vaccine requirements as i said cover two out of three workers across the economy and certainly cover the airlines. >> jeff zientz, thank you so much. we appreciate your time. coming up, the united states sending a clear message to china, back off of taiwan. and one of america's most wanted fugitives spotted potentially behind home plate. >> everyone loves baseball.
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so a great deal of activity, potentially dangerous activity over taiwan. taiwan has reported that chinese warplanes have entered its air defense zone, 150 times in october alone. so what does that mean? well, you can tell by the man i'm standing with right now we'll explain to you the
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significance of that. anchor of "cnn newsroom," jim sciutto. you told us that china was watching what happened in afghanistan and how the u.s. withdrew from there, trying to get signs of how the united states would expand its power outward. are we seeing the results of that over taiwan? >> yes, pretty much. it didn't start with afghanistan by any means. there has been concern about china's intention to invade taiwan for a number of years. you had admiral davidson said he expects it to happen in the next five years, but afghanistan was a marker because china looks at that and says if the u.s. will withdraw there has no stomach for that conflict, and will leave its allies behind, might it do the same with taiwan? by the way, you see these planes flying over there, by the dozens, that is message sending, but it is also intelligence gathering, right? because you test the ability of taiwan air defenses, how quickly do they respond, how do they respond, and what does the u.s. do in response? it is a test, no question. >> every time you do it, you learn something. every time you do it, you put a
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strain on taiwan and it has much more limited resources. we learned yesterday the president joe biden is going to meet with xi jinping virtually before the end of the year. that's happening and this will clearly be discussed there. we heard the secretary of state antony blinken address it more directly. let's listen. >> the activity is destabilizing. it risks miscalculation. and it has the potential to undermine regional peace and stability. so, we strongly urge beijing to cease its military, diplomatic and economic pressure and coercion directed at taiwan. >> so i guess the operative words there are strongly urge. how much of a difference does that make? >> american presidents have been doing that for years. china has been doing a massive military buildup in part to make it a -- if not an automatic win, a likely win for them, so taiwan and the u.s. calculate we can't win this, you know what, we lost this peace here.
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this is an independent country, taiwan. it is a thriving democracy. it has been not a treaty ally of the u.s., but a friend of the u.s. for many decades. this would be an enormous event. by the way, from china's perspective, it is not a crime to do this. it is righting a historical -- it would be like if texas was under mexican control. that's the way xi jinping looks at taiwan. >> so the defense minister says it expects an invasion from china by 2025. you've been talking about this and writing about it extensively for some time. this is an abstraction. this may be a likelihood. >> it is. i don't like to be right about this, and by the way, others have been right before me about this and much higher and more powerful positions than me, but china is very public about it. you got to listen to what xi says. xi talks about this as taiwan as part of our country, so now you have u.s. official and taiwanese officials talking about this not as and if, but a when. and then the question becomes
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does the u.s. go to war over this? and i'll tell you, i asked senior people in the pentagon for a number of years through multiple administrations, they're not so sure. right? in fact many would say i bet against it. and who else might bet against that, beijing. they could miscalculate. that has happened before and you end up in a war that neither side wants. but china sees the u.s. as weak. that makes them more likely to act. >> i can't stress what a big deal this is. jim, we're lucky to have you covering it. thank you for explaining it to us. in a year when incidents of anti-asian hate hit a fevered pitch in the use, cnn's lisa ling asks how did we get here and how do we move forward? an american fugitive possibly spotted hiding in plain sight with some peanuts and cracker jacks. ♪ i see trees of green ♪ ♪ red roses too ♪ ♪ i see them bloom ♪ ♪ for me and you ♪
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you an all new season of "this is life" with lisa ling. this season lisa will be tackling some of the most challenging issues that have defined the past tumultuous year by taking a deep dive into our collective past to uncover some hard truths and find some answers. the first episode looks at the 40-year-old murder of chinese-american vincent chin and what it can tell us about the rise in anti-asian hate crimes today. here is a preview. >> by 1982, one in five detroit residents were out of a job. >> it is few and far between. jobs are hard to come by. how about you? are you hiring? >> all i can say is move somewhere else. >> suddenly, after a lifetime of well paying jobs, where they could afford a house, two cars, a recreational vehicle, a summer cottage, suddenly it was wiped out. >> the only answer is charity. >> people became destitute.
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the frustration turned into anger. people want to know why is this happening to me? who can i blame? in the beginning, the workers blamed the companies. factories blamed the workers, the politicians blamed each other and in the end they kind of all reached a consensus, let's blame japan. >> joining us now is the host of "this is life," lisa ling. lisa, thank you so much, this looks so incredibly interesting. i was really hanging on that video. i want to see this episode. tell us a little bit more about this particular person, vincent chin, and why this matters so much for now. >> well, brianna, vincent chin was a chinese-american man living in detroit in the 1980s. he was actually attending a -- at a bar, partying with his friends, celebrating his bachelor party, during a time
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when america, particularly detroit, which was the automotive capital of the world and of the u.s. was experiencing financial disorder, and so a couple of out of work autoworkers got into an altercation with vincent chin inside this bar, accused him of being japanese, and taking away their jobs. they were kicked out. they followed vincent chin outside and beat him to death with a baseball bat. the two killers never served a day in jail or prison, were given a $3,000 fine, and, you know, this is -- we talk about this scapegoating of asians in this country and that has been what the asian community has been experiencing over the last year and a half, since covid took root here. and this episode really looks at the historical scapegoating of asian-americans and which dates back more than a century, and this whole season we are looking
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into moments, episodes in american history that have been left out of our history books, but have informed and impacted how we are living today. >> many people won't have heard of this case. and they're going to hear it from you. it is a bit of a departure for you, you're always taking us very much into our present world, this is a bit of looking into the past to learn about ourselves. >> it is. you know, our show in the past has been very experiential, emotional. sometimes even physical. and we had to pivot this season because of covid. but it is interesting, brianna, right now some of the fiercest debates going on in government, in local legislatures, in school districts, in people's homes, are about what to teach our kids, like, what history to teach our kids. and so for us it was really important to isolate some of those stories. there are so many that didn't make it into our history books, because we realized that we can't know where we are going
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unless we recognize where we have been. >> look, you're always teaching us something new and no doubt this season is going to be more of that. i can't wait for it. lisa, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, brianna. you can be sure to tune in to lisa's program. it will premiere, "this is life" with lisa ling, going to premiere this coming sunday night at 10:00 eastern and pacific only on cnn. so it is not unusual to see a famous face at an l.a. dodgers home game, right? it is unusual to see a most wanted fugitive. u.s. marshals think the fan isolated in a photo could be john ruffo, che never showed up to prison, and he's been a ghost now for 23 years. in 2016, authorities got a tip he was behind home plate at a red sox/dodgers game and wore a blue shirt. they're not 100% sure that's
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this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm erica hill. we begin with breaking news. pfizer is now seeking fda emergency use authorization for its covid-19 vaccine for children ages 5 to 11. if authorized, this would be the first covid-19 vaccine available to younger children. >> right now the pfizer vaccine is fully approved for those age 16 and older, has emergency use authorization for ages 12 to 15. in fact, all those people 12 and

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