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a federal judge in texas issuing an order late tonight blocking the state's restrictive six week abortion ban. and mitch mcconnell abeerg to blink after repeatedly refusing
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to go along with democrats in raising the debt ceiling days before the government is set to run out of money to pay its bills. proceed posing options to divert default by passing an emergency debt limit extension into december. a source saying remnants of a recent campsite discovered in the florida nature preserve where police are searching for brian laundrie. i want to bring in now cnn's legal analyst jennifer rogers. good evening to you. so let's talk about this texas thing. this federal judge in texas issuing an order tonight blocking the state's six-week abortion ban after the biden administration challenged it. is it a big win? can you classify it that way? >> it's a big win for now, don. and it's really a big win for the women of texas who now will be able to assuming that abortion providers resume their services obtain their constitutionally allowed
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abortion procedures. the problem is that the state of texas has indicated it will appeal this injunction to the fifth circuit, arguably, the most conservative in the nation in terms of the federal courts. we will see what they do. but for the moment, yes, a big win because the status quo of abortion rights in america is now back in place for the moment. >> so let's talk about the judge's language in this when she made this ruling or he made this ruling, excuse me. calling this a flagrantly unconstitutional law and an offensive deprivation of such an important right. how significant is that? >> well, it was blistering, i mean, really just pittman had no patience for what texas has done here, which is purposefully written a law in order to evade the federal courts from testing that law's constitutionally. five of the nine most brilliant minds in our nation on the
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supreme court couldn't figure out how to issue an injunction here. judge pittman figured it out. you enjoin everyone in the state of texas, including everyone who works in the courts from accepting the lawsuits that sb 8 allows to be filed. so he had no patience for what the supreme court has done and no patience at all for what the legislators in texas are trying do, which is to not allow the federal courts to do their jobs of ensuring that all state laws are constitutional according to our federal constitution. >> do you think the appeal will end up in the scored? >> i think it will. there is a case in the supreme court out of mississippi that will test the justices' appetite for overturning roe v. wade. if that's their goal, it may happen before this case gets to them. i think where we are now on the injunction side before they get to the merits, depends what happens in the fifth circuit, this may go up to the supreme court this term as well. and this injunction is really
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interesting because it does test this notion of how texas is trying to evade review all together. so i think by the end of this supreme court term in june we are going to know whether the justices are overturning roe v. wade and we may know how they view the shenanigans out of texas as well, which, by the way, has proven to be a copycat type of situation where other states are looking to evade federal court review in the same way texas has here. it would be important for the court to speak on that as well. >> always a pleasure. thank you so much. i want to turn to the latest on capitol hill with cnn white house correspondent john harwood and kirsten bowers. good evening. john, mitch mcconnell finally offering democrats an out to avoid the first ever default in u.s. history. this debt ceiling mess is not over yet. where do things stand on capitol hill tonight? >> well, first of all, have to say that what mitch mcconnell and the republicans did today was good for the country, good for the economy, good for the
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global economy to avert the rising risk of a crisis. i have always thought in this situation that it was going to turn out okay because mitch mcconnell is a rational actor who understands the consequences of a debt default, as i does of things like government shutdowns and he tries to avoid them because that's going to reach down to the detriment of the republican party. this is different than in 2011 when barack obama was president and house republicans who took us to a brink of a crisis, they were willing to take that risk. but this is a case where he stepped away from the brink, democrats have not formally accepted the offer. they are trading paperback and forth. but it seems that this has been resolved until december. kick the can until december, but the signals that they sent today by backing away suggest that they are going to back away in
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december as well. we're not going to have a default. >> you know, this plan is clearly better than defaulting in 12 days. but this debt isn't going anywhere. isn't this all an embarrassment and a waste of time? >> well, i mean, it's dysfunction and it's dysfunction with one party. and it's the republicans that are creating this dysfunction. it's not a dysfunction that the democrats really have any control over, and the money has already been spent. so listening to republicans say they are, you know, we are opposing this or, you know, have issues with raising the debt limit because they want to stop democratic spending when the spending has already been approved by republicans, it's just, you know, journalists describe the republican party i think today as nihilistic, which i think is the best way to describe them. they don't really seem to believe in anything, not even in
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the stability of the united states government in terms of funding. so this is sort of the groundhog day that seems to happen over and over again. as john was saying, at least this time there seems to be some appreciation of what would happen if it wasn't funded. >> john, we know it's not just the debt ceiling. the president's domestic agenda is still in jeopardy and his approval rating is hitting a new low. 38% in a quinnipiac poll, 45% cnn's poll. how worried is the white house tonight? or should they be? >> well, sure. they are concerned. they know they have taken on water. the quinnipiac poll is an outlier. the 4 5% looks more accurate. there has been a series of developments that are negative that have taken joe biden after
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months of stability above 50% well below it. the afghanistan pull out, whether you agree with it or not, created a very bad storyline for the administration. the resurgence of covid due to the delta variant was a very bad story for the administration, reversed some of the gains that they had achieved earlier this year. it's of concern for the white house. the two things that they need to do, the only two things that they can do that are effective are, one, try to get control of the virus again, and you are seeing an increasing reliance on vaccine mandates and pushing companies to man indicate vaccines. we heard from american airlines today along those lines much the federal government's done that was well. cases and hospitalizations and deaths are beginning to go down. so that's potentially positive. more importantly, they need to pass this agenda. and it does appear, even though there is continued bickering been the democratic party, they don't have the two hold-out
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senators lined up yet, it does appear they are on a path to getting a deal on the reconciliation bill passing both elements of his agenda and whether or not that moves his approval rating back to where it was over 50%, i don't know. but that's the best they can do to try. >> so, also tonight the former president is ridiculously claiming that the real insurrection was on election day, not january 6th. we know he is just trying to, you know, create chaos and misinform people. what do you think he is trying to accomplish with this lie about the bogus election fraud? >> just his continued, you know, sort of campaign to undermine democracy and undermine any trust in anything that happens in this country and to, you know, perpetrate a lie about what happened on january 6th. it's just this is the test for
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people now. we see it showing up in polls that basically the test is are you a republican? do you believe, you know, that trump won the election, which he didn't, you know. it's just -- it's the cult of trump and he is just trying to keep that going. he doesn't have anything else. that's the thing. that's what i was saying, if nihilism is the right word. there is nothing. there is no belief in anything, you know, except, i guess, donald trump. but even that, what does that even mean? >> yeah. as we would say murphy's law, right, because we just let jennifer go. as luck has it, we just got a statement from the white house regarding the texas ruling tonight. i will read part of it. a statement from the press conference and the texas rug. tonight's ruling is an important step forward towards restoring the constitutional rights of women across the state of texas. sb 8 blatantly violates the right to safe and legal abortion establishnd under roe v. wade
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but it creates a scheme to allow private citizens to interfere with the right and to evade judicial review. it it goes on. there is another paragraph about that, the white house releasing a statement tonight. just shows you that they have got a lot of irons in the fire. they are juggling a lot of balls. i don't know how many other cliches i can use. but they have a lot to deal with. that coming just from the white house regarding what happened in texas and the judge striking down for the moment the abortion law in texas. thank you both. appreciate it. now i want to turn to former cia officer evan mcmullin, just announced his run as an independent to challenge republican mike lee in the u.s. senate race next yore. good evening to you on this very busy wednesday hump night, whatever, however. so i want to talk to you about the senate run. first, i have to get your take on this january 6th investigation. the deadline for trump aides to turn over documents is tomorrow but sources are telling cnn that
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the committee still hasn't been able to physically serve the subpoena to dan scavino but he has been posting online the past few days. so why can't they find him? >> who knows? i would love to hear about his efforts to elude being served a subpoena. it's pretty ridiculous. look, clearly he and his colleagues have something to hide. otherwise, they would accept the subpoenas and appear before congress and provide whatever information is requested of them, and the american people need to have that information because we've got to be sure that something like january 6th never happens again. that was a true threat to our self-government. it's a -- that's about as clear of a threat as you can possibly have, an outgoing administration that has lost an election, orchestrating a violent mob to overturn the process that would
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usher them out. that is about as close to a coup as you get. and we just can't have that again. they out to cooperate. the american people deserve to know what happened. we have got to ensure that that's the case so that we have an accountable government now and through the years to come. >> it is likely part of a stalling tactic by all of the key trump aides. so, i mean, what should democrats do to get them to cooperate? just because they can't serve him, does that make a difference? i don't know. but go on. >> they should pursue whatever legal abilities they have. it's not just the democrats. there are republicans cooperating in this effort, and that's great. and this is a bipartisan effort. it is a bipartisan investigation. adam kinsinger is involved, obviously, liz cheney, denver riggleman. these are true patriotic republicans helping defend our democracy and they are there along with the democrats. so this is a bipartisan patriotic effort to defend the
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republic and they ought to pursue any legal means that they have to cause these members of the past administration to provide information that they require. full stop. >> you know, ofthe new book "peril" details how senator lee knew about attorney john eastman's plan to overthrow the election. instead of going public he called the state legislators to see if the republicans were sending alternate slates of delegates. lee ultimately refused to go along. do you see his actions as complicit in trump's attack on our democracy? >> well, look, what i find most concerning about that is that he knew what the trump administration, what trump was trying to do, trying to overturn a legal election, a free and fair election, and he said nothing about it publicly. i mean, if -- actually, he had been participating in trump's spurious legal attacks on the
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results of the election, which went nowhere, as we all know. mike lee was advising those. then when he finally realized far too late, i guess, that this was a fraud, that donald trump's efforts were fraudulent, he did nothing about it. he said nothing. he said nothing. in fact, after the january insurrection, january 6th insurrection, he said that trump should be given a mulligan and then at some point thereafter went down to mar-a-lago with lauren and matt gaetz and other far-right persons and raised money. so it's not a good look. this isn't consistent with who we are in utah and we shouldn't have a representative in the senate or anywhere else, you know, looking after our interests who is going to behave that way, and that's why we've announced a campaign to run against him. that's why i'm challenging him. and we invite everyone, republicans, democrats and independents to join us.
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they can do so at evan mcmullin .com. we have a chance to beat lee. he is vulnerable in utah. he is not popular. i think that's the case because of some of these unfortunate decisions he made that put our republic at risk. >> look at that. you got the promotion and website and some very good points across. thank you. appreciate it. be well. >> thank you. news tonight on the gabby petito case. law enforcement finding remnants of a recently used campsite as they search for gabby's fiance brian laundrie and there is more. that's next. kin 3x better. from dry and stressed, to bright and smooth. so, i can feel my best in my skin. olay body. fearless in my skin.
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ly reported. the parents of his fiance gabby petito say they hope laundrie is alive. >> you know, i just hope he is found. i really do. like i -- no, i mean, like alive. >> i want to look him in the eyes. >> the more he runs, the more he hides, the less he can try to say it was a mistake or he had nothing to do with it. >> i want to see him in a jail cell the rest of his life. he is an outdoorsman. being in that concrete cell that he can't see those trees and smell the fresh air like that. >> an outdoorsman in a cement box. >> it is amazing that they can do that interview. the strength i am not sure that i have. but there is a lot to discuss with chris wicker, former investigator for the criminal investigation division. that family speaking so soon after finding out about their loved one to me is just amazing. the search, good evening to you. the search for brian laundrie appears to be ramping up. we saw a larger police presence
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surrounding the carlton reserve it's called, a sarasota county sheriff's office says that they were asked to help with the search. does that tell you anything? >> i hate to say it, but not really, don. they have to follow up on every lead, every possible credible lead. the fact that they are out there again tells me that they got another lead. the campsite. they had to go out there and process it. everything that they do is in the public eye. i think sometimes we attach too much significance to it. that's not to say it isn't a good lead to follow up on. i just haven't heard any information that anything came out of that search of the campsite. >> cnn is learning from the laundrie family attorney that chris laundrie, brian's father, was asked, has been asked to assist law enforcement in the search for his son in that carlton reserve. but after remnants of recently
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found campsite -- a recently found campsite were found, i mean, they told -- i mean, what does that tell you? does this mean anything? is this -- are we, you know -- >> don, it's really hard to say without having some inside information. i can say this. the fbi's deafening silence in this case speaks volumes to me. i think they have credible leads that they are following up on and there are ones that we don't see in the public eye, the ones that have been corroborated. the fact that you didn't see the pfizer/biontech out there with the evidence response team tells me this was delegated to the local law enforcement. it's something they had to do and process. and i understand that the father said this is an area where he may have been hiking or has hiked in the past -- >> but they rescinded that request though. i mean, i wonder if that -- why, you know, they said we want you to help in the search and they
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found the campsite things and then rescinded it. are we just reading too much? are people looking for every single thing, like, this is something or that's something? >> this is such a public investigation. i think we're reading something into everything that happens. the sighting on the appalachian trail, which i think, unfortunately, is not very credible. he has been sighted in the bahamas, canada, other states, alabama, all throughout north carolina. i think the power of suggestion is very powerful. when you go out to the general public and ask for tips and leads you get a lot of noise in the system and, frankly, it takes a long time to sort through all the leads that come in. but it is significant, going back to the appalachian trail sighting, that the fbi took four days to talk to that witness. that tells me they are not real excited about that particular lead. >> and what about the car? because police confirming that the laundrie family car was found abandoned outside the
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nature reserve september 14th which was the day the parents last saw them. the parents now say september 13th was the last night that they saw him. so, you know, now there is a timeline. everyone -- you get -- you know, same question as before. everyone is looking for something and, you know, what does it all mean? we don't know. >> yeah, i have tried to piece together the timeline. now we learned that he flew -- brian laundrie flew back and forth from utah or wyoming and hung out in florida at his home for a couple of days. right after the police stopped where, you know, there was that domestic violence incident that took place in moab. so the timeline, i think, is something that is going to be extremely critical in the actual homicide investigation. i have every confidence that he is going to get caught. i am really focused very much on the homicide investigation and i'm waiting to see when he is going to be charged with
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homicide because i think it's pretty obvious he is driving her van, using her debit card, doesn't report her missing, he flees as soon as it becomes public. it's pretty overwhelming there. it's going to be a circumstantial case. i am watching that very closely. >> i think that is the key. when is he going to be charged? very good question. chris, thank you. see you soon. new body camera footage of minneapolis police officers responding to protests in the days after george floyd's death and it shows some officers talking about hunting civilians during the protests.
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tonight there is newly released police body camera footage of minneapolis police officers responding to unrest after george floyd was murdered by an ex-officer last year. the video shows officers talking about hunting people as part of a response to quell the unrest and dropping f-bombs. let's get more on this developing story from omar jimenez. tell us more about what we're hearing on these videos. >> yeah, don. this takes us back to me 30th, 2020. five days after george floyd was murdered. now, according to court documents that night this particular police unit was driving down lake street in minneapolis clearing out people who were not adhering to the curfew with 40 millimeter non-lethal rounds. those court documents show that after that was over as part of a debriefing minneapolis police commander said this. >> it's a busy night.
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what a -- it's nice to hear that -- tonight it was nice to here. we are going to find some more people instead of chasing people around, we're going to hunt. you guys are out hunting people now and it's just a nice change of tempo. >> yep [ bleep ]. >> these people. >> now, for context, may 30th was maybe the most forceful response from police that we had seen up to that point, at least from our crews on the ground at the time. that had been after multiple nights in a row of buildings burning, that night an 8:00 p.m. curfew had gone into effect. by the way, this video comes from more than two hours of body camera video that was released tied to the case of a man named jahlil stallings, who was recently acquitted on all charges after firing a gun at officers who fired non-lethal weapons at him first. and i asked the attorney why now? why have all this released? he said it was important for the
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public to see based on the assumptions that skom ome peopl have about what law enforcement should be in this country, and he feels like this is viable insight during what was a very chaotic time in this country, don. >> omar jimenez. thank you for your reporting. >> the staff writer for "the new yorker," the author of "the matter of black lives." thank you for appearing on the program whc program. minneapolis officers talking about hunting civilians in this body camera footage during the may 20th protest. it is disturbing. >> absolutely. it's also not surprising, if that makes sense. because what we saw in the aftermath of george floyd's death was the extent to which police did not know how to respond any other way than the manner in which they did. we saw the incident in buffalo with the elderly man being shoved to the ground and having
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brain swelling as a consequence of it. the excessive use of force by police in atlanta. we saw the police in new york city driving through protesters at a barricade. and so we saw this time and time again, and so this is just an additional layer of evidence on the fact that we understood this to be the problem at the root of the protests in the first place. >> a prominent thing in your book is policing. are these videos the latest example of why policing needs to change in this country? i mean, you know, we saw what happened with george floyd as you said. but then we keep getting more evidence, more examples, other examples, example on top-of example. >> sure. we're averaging in this country, you know, 1,000 to 1,200 people who die at the hands of law enforcement each year, and that's just an astounding number.
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some of this is of course related to the fact we don't want to do collectively anything to revise the relationship we have with firearms in society. but nonetheless, we still have a form of policing that is just not justifiable, this level of violence is not justifiable in any possible way. and so it was interesting to -- i have written about this a good bit in the pages of the new yorker and a lot of the work that we have. not all. we have a wide array of things in this collection. but it's a theme that people return to because policing is so central to this think. issue. >> the vice president talked about voting rights today with a l latino voting group. this comes as a judiciary committee held another hearing on the john lewis voting rights act. this is some of what we heard and then we will talk. >> the state legislators and others are going to defame and
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diminish our democracy. we have a duty to defend it. >> this bill is a disaster. why change what has worked for 240 years? >> we knew the john lewis bill will stop with racial discrimination from rolling back voting rights in the future. >> this bill is an assault on democracy. this is a power grab. it's cynical and wrong. >> you may not want to respond to ted cruz. a power grab and assault on our democracy, what do you say to that? >> i just say that the math is off. if you say this has worked for 240 years, yeah, but only for 57 years have we had full enfranchise. meant of the population. that's the point. full democracy since the outset of this country. we're talking about last election saying the last election was rigged and there is no evidence that it was but what was rigged? every election we had prior to 1965 where we had entire swaths
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of the population who would be murdered if they attempted to vote. and so that's the reason that we have -- that the voting rights act in the first place and after the 2013 supreme court decision that eviscerated it made it more clear, what we have seen since then made it more clear that we need to have that law reinstated. >> policing. there is an issue about w that. that collapsed so far. we will see if somehow it gets back on the agenda there. voting rights. is there any other hope for passing legislation on these critical issues to black americans and all americans as long as the filibuster is in place? >> it doesn't seem to be. i hope that there is something that gets resolved, something that gets changed, particularly as it relates to senators manchin and sinema. but the other part of this is that the midterm elections will be a bloodbath both because of the existing voter suppression
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laws that are in effect and the fact that you will have an electorate that is demoralized, looking at the democracy caucus and asking exactly what they did. it will be a hard with question to answer. >> always a pleasure. you have to come back more often. remember, this is his new book. "the matter of black lives." again, our thanks to you. >> thank you. the federal government taking a new approach to try to get people vaccinated for covid and it involves new ads that use fear tactics. and rescued his nose. with up to 50% more lotion puffs bring soothing softness and relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed.
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unvaccinated americans finally to finally get their shots. check out these ads from health and human services using videos from unvaccinated people who seriously got ill with covid. >> i got covid. i was intubated and in a coma t for 11 dagsys. >> by the grace of god i am here. it was a lot of dark times. i died three times. they gave me a 5% chance of living. we take advantage of like simple things in life like going to the bathroom and brushing your teeth. i have trouble doing all that now. the aftereffects of covid. i highly recommend everybody to get the vaccines and really protect themselves because this is no joke. >> dr. richard besser is the former acting director of the cdc. doctor, always a pleasure to have you on. good evening to you. what do you think of the new ads? will scare tactics work? we have been hearing some
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unvaccinated people downplaying the illness ridiculously claiming those who got sick were just actors. >> you know, first, it's great to be here. i used to believe the literature that said that scare tactics don't work. then the cdc put out a campaign around smoking called tips from former smokers and tied it to quit lines and other support services and they saw a big decline. soty think if you put out ads like this and you tie it to improving the access people have to vaccines and pushing hard on that, i think there is a chance it could work. and i don't think that there is a harm in trying. it's critically important we try to move the needle around people who haven't been vaccinated at all. >> doctor, today canada issued a covid-19 vaccine mandate for anyone 12 or older who wants to get on a train or plane. testing is no longer an option. should the united states follow suit? should we be doing the same sort of thing?
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>> i think it's worth considering when you look at the impact so far with mandates where employers are putting mandates. we are seeing people who are on the fence, people who weren't excited about getting vaccinated but when it came down to going to work or doing the things they wanted to do, they are getting vaccinated. the issue is that your decision around vaccination is not just a personal decision. you decide not it get vaccinated you are putting at risk people around you. when i think about the people working on the train, the train conductors, when i think about people on airplanes who may have gotten vaccinated but may have medical conditions that means the vaccine didn't work so well or i think about the children who are sitting on the plane and we don't have vaccines for them yet, i think you can make a strong case for requiring vaccination if people want to fly. >> let's talk more about children. you are a pediatrician. i have to ask about vaccines for schirn 5 to 11. we are waiting on the fda's decision. polling shows many parents may hold off on getting their kids a
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shot. you got a message for them? >> well, you know, what i'm doing is i would say wait and see what the science shows. wait and see what the advisory commits show and make your decision then. i'm holding off on that before i make a recommendation to my patients. but i can tell you that i have real concern about the impact of covid in children. we have over 600 children in america who have died from covid. and that is absolutely tragic. we've seen thousands of children hospitalized with covid during this latest wave, and that is absolutely tragic. and we see children who have developed long-term symptoms from covid. so, you know, while it's -- it gives me great hope that children -- because children are less likely to get severe disease or die, i would love to see a safe and effective vaccine. and if these committees show and
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the reviews show that these vaccines are safe and effective, it is very likely i would recommend it for my patients. >> dr. besser, appreciate your time and expertise. thank you so much. >> thank you. great to be here. the race for governor in virginia heating up and republican glen i don't thinken is latching on to the outrage about what is taught in schools to gin up conservative support. what you'll need, and help you build a flexible plan for cash flow that lasts, even when you're not working, so you can go from saving... to living. ♪ let's go ♪ is struggling to manage your type 2 diabetes knocking you out of your zone? lowering your a1c with once-weekly ozempic® can help you get back in it. oh, oh, oh, ozempic®!
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one of the most closely watched races this november is
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the virginia governor's race. terry mcauliffe versus glen yonkin. he's swinging hard to the right, trying to harness conservative anger. but especially about what's taught in schools. here's cnn's political correspondent sara murray. >> for glen yonkin's capable, it was a made for attack ads kind of moment. >> i'm not going to let parents come into schools -- >> we vetoed it. >> stop the bill that i don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach. >> reporter: since that debate, yonkin, the republican hopeful, harnessed that moment, launching a parents matter group, whipping up bumper stickers and campaign signs. >> i don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach. >> terry mcauliffe. putting politics over parents. failing our kids. >> reporter: in a year when
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battles over returning to in-person lerning, mask and vaccine mandates, virginia's latest fight erupted over reading materials in schools. and yonkin, who supports banning schools from teaching critical race theory and opposes vaccine and mask mandates, pounced. >> if you had any doubt, any doubt whatsoever about terry mc mcauliffe's principles, he laid them bare last week when he said parents do not have a right to be involved in their children's education. >> he's trying to excite the base on the republican side. i don't know that this is going to change a lot of minds among those people who are not already in the republican or the democratic camps. i think it's more about trying to make sure that people who will support you if you turn out actually do so. >> reporter: in the days since the debate, democrat mcauliffe
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downplayed the exchange and escalated his attacks. >> i really get sick and tired of people like glen and donald trump, they constantly are dividing people, they're constantly turning people against one another and why are we doing this to our students? all we want to do is give them a quality education. >> reporter: accusing glen of using the debate to fuel unnecessary controversy about issues like critical race theory. >> they're desperate. this all goes back to critical race theory, which is not taught here in virginia. and he's just -- it's a dog whistle. and i'm sick of it. >> reporter: and slamming his opposition to mask and vaccine requirements in schools. >> what he's proposing is life threatening to children. >> reporter: but in the waning weeks of virginia's tight race for governor, he's hoping a parents belong in schools message will invigorate his base and perhaps reach beyond the conservative crowd to peel off some swing voters in a state president joe biden carried last year by ten points. >> virginia, we have an absolute
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right, a fundamental right, to be engaged in our kid's education. >> reporter: even though joe biden won the state of virginia by such a wide margin in 2020, neither candidate is sitting comfortably and you can tell the last few weeks of this race, it's going to be a bitter fight until the end. don? >> sara, thank you so much. and thank you for watching. our coverage continues.
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