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he's amazing. such an inspiration, but, yeah, just a dude having a beer on a night off. >> just five minutes with dave grohl and i feel a little bit cooler. i feel a little bit cooler. >> i feel cooler. i feel better. i feel calmer. dave grohl, thank you so much. all of the success on the book and we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you so much for having me. it was great to be here. and cnn's coverage continues right now. good morning, i'm erica hill. >> i'm jim sciutto. running out of options and time. today on capitol hill senate democrats are scrambling as the nation barrels towards a potential economic precipice. they set a vote at 3:00 eastern time to raise the debt limit, avoid the first ever government default which could come as early as next week. the result of that vote likely a foregone conclusion. gop leader mitch mcconnell
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continues to hold firm that no republican senators will vote to raise the debt ceiling, something we should note they have never hesitated to do many times in the past including when their own spending plans go through. >> this is an excellent point. and yet here we are, and all of this as president biden is now suggesting democrats could make a one-time change to the senate's filibuster rules to get this done. cnn's arlette saenz is at the white house. lauren fox is on capitol hill. arlette, that comment coming from the president getting a lot of attention. he's also set to meet with ceos and business leaders a few hours from now. that message is going to be very important as well. >> reporter: well, erica, president biden is expected to argue that republican obstruction is putting the country's economic situation at risk. as the gop continues to stand firm in their refusal in the vote to raise the debt ceiling. the president is expected to make that argument as he meets with top business leaders and
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ceos at the white house to say there needs to be bipartisan action to address the debt limit. this comes as democrats are scrambling to find ways to avoid a possible default. and president biden last night said it is a very real possibility that senate democrats could allow for a one time carve out of that senate filibuster rule, changing the threshold from 60 to 50 votes. but it is unclear whether all 50 democrats would actually be on board with that rule change. and yesterday president biden said that democrats are really limited in their options at this point and urge republicans to come to the table and act. take a listen. >> not many options if we're going to be that irresponsible. not many options. not much time left to do reconciliation. they can keep it on two tranches, they can keep it on the floor, they can just delay this. i don't think they're going to end up being that irresponsible. i can't believe it. >> reporter: now, here at the white house this afternoon, the
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president will be ramping up his public pressure campaign on republicans as he hosts ceos and business leaders to talk about the need to raise the debt ceiling. he will be hosting ceos and major bank companies like bank of america, jpmorgan and hosting aarp, which represents millions of americans whose social social security and medicare benefits could be at risk if the nation were it default. all of these issues are top of mind for this white house, and democrats up on capitol hill as they are trying to avoid any major financial and economic calamity if the nation were to default. >> all right, so let's be frank, doesn't look like republicans are coming around on this. and mitch mcconnell never bet against him when he set his mind on something. lauren, two options for democrats, given you would need 60 votes under normal rules are either carve out an exception to the filibuster to raise the debt limit or go via reconciliation.
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the trouble is it seems like manchin, sinema and others view the carve out as a floodgates, the filibuster goes for a whole host of other things. based on what you're hearing on the hill what is the most likely path forward? >> reporter: depends who you talk to, jim. democratic leaders are being very insistent that this option of using that special budget tool known as reconciliation up here on capitol hill is not going to happen because they're arguing it simply takes too much time at this point. you would have essentially two marathon votearamas, a whole host of other votes that need to happen, that's something that democratic leaders say is not on the table anymore, there is no time for that. like you noted, an exception to the filibuster rule is something that democrats by and large in their caucus have struggled to do on other issues in the past. whether that was voting rights or immigration, other potential issues that are very important to their constituents and that's because they have two moderates, kyrsten sinema and joe manchen
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who both argued they want to preserve that. would they see this exception as potentially so important to the country's economic future and the potential calamity that would happen if the debt ceiling wasn't increased, would they change their minds on this specific carveout? that's what we're trying to understand right now. yesterday, joe manchin did not answer our questions, specifically about it, saying that he thought that schumer and mcconnell should get in a room and come to some kind of consensus. we're also going to be watching out for kyrsten sinema and whether or not she would be open to that kind of rules change. one of the arguments those moderates have been making on the filibuster in the past is that you don't want to change the senate rules on legislation because you would have wild swings in what the country was going through from administration to administration. however, the debt ceiling increase isn't going to be this massive policy shift, it simply is increasing the country's borrowing limit. do they see the two issues as different? that's the main question. i can guarantee you that republicans, however, on capitol
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hill see this as a major and colossal change if democrats were to go through with it. jim and erica? >> a lot to watch for. here we are again. lauren fox, arlette saenz, appreciate it. thank you both for the reporting. facebook founder mark zuckerberg firing back against the whistle blower who accused him of putting profits over public safety. in a 1300 word response, zuckerberg arguing the company's work and motives have been mischaracterized. as a reminder, here's what frances haugen, the whistle-blower told the senate panel on tuesday. >> facebook should not get a free pass on choices it makes to prioritize growth and virality and reactiveness over public safety. they shouldn't get a free pass on that because they're paying for their profits right now with our safety. >> zuckerberg responded, not surprisingly in a facebook post, writing, quote, the argument that we deliberately push content that makes people angry for profit is deeply illogical.
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i don't any tech company that sets out to build products to make people angry or depressed. the incentives point in the opposite direction. joining me now, tom wheeler, former chairman of the communications commission. good to have you on. we were speaking before the show, just asking what would regulation look like? you had a rare moment of bipartisan agreement in that hearing yesterday, you have both democrats and republicans agreeing on some form of regulation, and auto even zuckerberg has said, you know, he would support it, but it is up to congress to do so. so tell us what would the road map be? >> well, jim, you are right. we are at a bipartisan moment here to do something. the challenge with what we do is we need to be looking forward rather than looking backwards. we need to be saying, okay, we're in the middle of this digital revolution, and how do we plan for it going forward. and not use the kind of thinking that we used in the industrial age. and so what i have been
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proposing along with several colleagues is that what we need is a new focused federal agency that has digital expertise and can develop a new more agile regulatory structure than the kind of rigid process we have now, so that we can keep pace with the effects of the technological changes. >> so we need to plan for what we don't know is coming essentially. i think the issue here for a lot of people too is it is great to propose a new agency. that would better understand what is happening and where the industry is going, the reality is there is urgency here and something needs to be done now. what do you see that could be a more immediate solution today? >> well, the congress has the opportunity to go in and address issues of algorithmic bias.
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they have the opportunity to go in and address other kinds of issues. they -- what we want to make sure we don't have happen, erica, is that they go, okay, we have done it, and walk away. because facebook is just the canary in the coal mine, if you will. it is the example of the kinds of abuses that have happened because for the last couple of decades, we have allowed the innovators, god bless them, we have allowed the innovators to make the rules. they have come pseudo governments. and we need the real government to step up and say, no. here are the rules that are going to apply in the digital era. and if the kind of activities was talked about yesterday are taken, that's a step forward, but it is not enough. >> yeah, so many lessons about how self-regulation of industry
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simply doesn't work, whether you talk about tobacco or fossil fuels or something like social media. one particular measure that even mark zuckerberg talked about is setting a minimum age for accessing some of the platforms. i wonder is that the kind of step that you think could make a difference? >> so obviously any kind of step like that is a positive step. the question becomes, okay, how do you enforce that? this is -- this is somebody sitting behind a machine, being judged by another machine, as to whether they are actually over fill in the blank age. yes, it makes sense, but i don't think that we can consider it to be the be all and end all solution. >> yeah, i mean, i think as an example, if you say buy wine online, you go to the website, it will say are you 18? i don't know. a puppy could click that, right? how does it work, yeah. >> oh, the cases of wine my dog
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has ordered. >> yeah. >> on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog situation. right? >> such an important conversation when we clearly need to continue because this san issue that does need to be add addressed. appreciate your insight this morning. thank you. up next, the cdc report released overnight shows a 30% surge of homicide rates since 2020. we'll talk about what is driving numbers like that and how to address and reverse the trend. plus, one of former president trump's allies has one day left to comply with a congressional subpoena from the january 6th committee. the only issue is the committee can't seem to find him. is that deliberate? new details about the isis-k bomber who targeted the kabul airport, killed those 13 u.s. service members, hundreds of others. turns out he was released from prison just days before that deadly attack. (vo) at t-mobile for business, unconventional thinking
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new this morning, the cdc releasing disturbing new details about the surge in homicides in the u.s. in 2020. that rate jumped 30% from 2019, that's the largest percentage increase year over year in modern history. >> we should be clear, in absolute terms the overall murder rate still significantly lower than it was in 1980s and '90s. you see that there. ryan young in atlanta with more. so, ryan, the numbers have been heading in the wrong direction in a number of communities around the country. tell us what the cdc numbers show. >> this is really shocking, when you think about it. we knew 2020 was a difficult year, you throw in covid, and
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the fact that police departments have been hit hard by covid, then you add in all the violence, especially gun violence, that hit this country. talking about over 21,000 murders, you put on top of that, the fact that hospitals are really good at saving people, that number could be a lot higher. this number is pretty shocking when you think about a 30% increase. when you look at the numbers, it is 2019, 6.0 homicides per 100,000. in 2020, that number jumped to 7.8 homicides per 100,000. and when you include suicide in this, there was a drop there, in 2019, it was 13.9 suicides per 100,000. and 2020, 13.5 suicides per 100,000. as we have been tracking this throughout the year, and i've been going city to city, this is not just something going on in large cities. midlevel american cities have been dealing with the increase in gun violence, and when you think about police departments dealing with, when you have a small detective crew that has to deal with homicides, you have to put your team around this, and then try to suppress some of the
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violence, it has been taking them to put all their hands on. i should note there were three states that had a drop in homicides. that was maine, new mexico, and alaska. so at least those three states saw a drop. but right now in 2021, we're tracking crime trends across the country. >> ryan young, appreciate it. thank you. joining us to talk more about how this is impacting folks on a local level, the chief of the oakland california police department, laron armstrong. good to have you with us this morning. you've been really clear, very outspoken, talking about gun violence in your city, and the need for the community to come together. i'm wondering in terms of a message, there is so much being made about the rise in violence and specifically gun violence nationwide, but it is not a one size fits all solution. what are you seeing in oakland? what do you believe this morning would make a difference? >> you know, well, thank you for having me, jim and erica. i really do think it is going to take a collective effort between
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law enforcement community and our department of violence prevention which brings forth different resources around violence intervention, violence interruption and street outreach. we need to reach those that continue to pick up firearms, but, you know, most difficultly they continue to use those firearms in our community to take people's lives. it really is going to take those that care about people in our community, those that have loved ones that continue to utilize firearms and those that have been victimized, people who have experienced tragedies to come together and say we need to stop the violence in our community, because we all feel unsafe at this point. >> chief armstrong, my producer an i spent some time with the nypd on patrol and one thing nypd leaders cite is what they call the iron pipeline and that is sort of pipeline of weapons from southern states with liberal gun laws up to new york. and i wonder do you see similar where you are in california and how do they get in, is there a
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way to control those weapons getting in? >> yeah, we definite i had have seen the increase in firearms coming across the border from nevada and arizona. we have been working with the atf to stem this influx of firearms that continue to come into our community. i think one of the difficult issues we're facing is this huge influx of ghost guns. we hadn't seen ghost guns in the city of oakland in 2018 and prior years, but in 2020 and 2021 we have seen a significant increase in the recovery of these untrackable weapons. that is also problematic for law enforcement as well. >> yeah, and we're looking at the numbers here too, the murder rate in oakland. the city council voted to approve a resolution that declared gun violence in oakland, you know, a public health emergency. we looked at the ama years ago said this is a public health issue this is a public health crisis. does almost redefining gun violence as a public health
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issue, does that help you? >> i think it does. i think it sends a message to the entire community that it is not just about violence related to a certain group of people, or certain individuals. i really think it says that this is a problem that we all should pay attention to, that it impacted all communities through jut our country as we have seen from the statist ins you put out earlier. i think it is a call in oakland for every member of our community to be a part of our response to address gun violence and i appreciate this council ringing at ing the alarm to sas a medical crisis that needs the proper attention. >> you often hear before we go, chief, from police departments across the country about a drop in police officers' morale. do you have that same experience and do you think that's part of the reason behind the jump in crime? are officers policing differently in this environment?
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>> i haven't seen our officers police any differently. i think we reorganized to be more focused. i think we feel like we're accountable to public safety, and so our officers are going out there doing the best job they can to address violent crime. we have seen the impact of reducing staffing that some people are choosing to not join law enforcement, some people feel like is just a difficult time to be a police officer, so i think law enforcement departments throughout the country are definitely dealing with with some recruiting and retention issues of keeping police officers in uniform. >> that's a story we hear so often. chief leron armstrong, you have a lot of hard work to do. we wish you the best of luck. >> thank you so much. still ahead this hour, the house committee investigating the capitol insurrection wants to hear from former trump aide dan scavino. but sources tell cnn they can't find him to serve the subpoena. >> where could he be? and we're moments away from the opening bell on wall street. stocks set to slide as the
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lawmakers investigating the january 6th insurrection face a roadblock of sorts in an efforts to get a former ally of president trump -- former president trump's allies to testify, more than a week after subpoenaing former trump aide dan scavino, the house select committee has been unable to physically serve that subpoena. they can't find him. >> which is remarkable. subpoenas -- the subpoena has a deadline of tomorrow to comply for documents. so there is a question of how does this impact the committee and also it is just sort of leaves you scratching your head, they can't find dan scavino? >> where in the world is dan scavino. the timeline is impacted a little bit because as you mentioned the deadline for documents is tomorrow. however, the deadline for depositions is not for another nine days . there is a lot of time to bring him in and depose him. so the timeline while not ideal
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for house investigators is not stretched too far at this point. if we get to october 14th and still can't find him, that's go to be a bigger problem for them. the indication is that many people that have been subpoenaed are planning to comply. we know that people who were part of the rally organization, for example, sources telling us that they plan to comply. we already know the supervisor, head of security that day, the private security for the event, plans to comply as well. other people are out there taking this very seriously. just an inability to nail down where dan scavino's physical body in this moment, to actually hand him the papers, which is -- you mentioned this is kind of baffling. other people seem to have received these. >> and ubiquitous on social media, can't find him. thank you very much. joining me to discuss is ambassador norm eisen, former house judiciary special counsel and former president trump's first impeachment trial and richard painer, former white
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house ethics lawyer. gentlemen, thank you to both of you here. i wonder when you look at this scavino case, are you concerned that folks involved in this can stone wall the investigation, right, delay, hide, not testify immediately, challenge in court, start with you, norm. you have a lot of experience here. >> jim, thanks for having me back on the program. they can run, but they cannot hide. this is not the trump administration where the president could embark on a stone walling campaign backed by bogus claims of executive privilege, and then the justice department that wouldn't enforce the law creating impunity for those four years, jim. here you're going to -- you have strong precedence that we helped establish in the mcgann case for testimony. and in the mazers case for
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documents, those are going to be enforced by congress and doj will weigh in as well. so, no, they cannot stall like they did under trump. >> and we should note to folks who are watching, norm, you served under democrats. richard, you served under republicans and you're part of a bipartisan group, former judges and lawyers who are zeroing in on this memo by the pro-trump attorney john eastman which laid out an action plan, for how then president trump might overturn the election, with the help of then vice president mike pence. in your letter to the california bar, you say the available evidence supports a strong case that the state bar should investigate whether in the course of representing mr. trump mr. eastman violated his ethical obligations as an attorney by filing frivolous claims, engaging in deceptive contact. he would get kicked out of the bar there. but is that -- is that the most we can help in -- hope in terms of legal consequences for someone like eastman, given what
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he was trying to do here? >> i hope not. i have repeatedly urged that the department of justice appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the events after the election leading up to january 6th. and that includes an investigation of president trump, president trump's lawyers, members of the house and senate, and white house officials involved with the insurrection and sedition of january 6th. attorney general garland needs to appoint a special prosecutor. but until then, we will do what we can to hold those who participated in these events responsible. we know what donald trump wanted. he wanted to pressure the vice president of the united states to reverse the election results, incited a crowd outside the capitol, and now we see donald trump's lawyer drafting a memo that it seems the aim at the same result, and i worked for many years on the issue of when
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lawyers are responsible for their clients' conduct, my first law review article was on the responsibility of lawyers for client conduct, i believe mr. eastman crossed the line. that's something for the california bar to investigate and the facts are set forth in our complaint. >> i mean, he's one piece, a big piece of what appears to be a larger plot here. we're nine months out from january 6th. and you have a number that folks are storming the capitol have legal consequences but not the ring leaders, right? i wonder are we exposing here that the system is not up to the task of policing this? by the way, meanwhile, donald trump is, again, the punitive nominee for the republican party in 2024. >> well, jim, to make sure that the system is up to the task of protecting our elections and protecting our democracy in a bipartisan way, as you see with me and richard, that's why we
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came together in this states united democracy center that organized and filed this bar complaint against eastman and all across the country. we're working to shore up by pushing back on sham audits, by litigating against these terrible voter hijack bills that are in the states, jim. our states united democracy center working together, co-chairs, republican governor christie todd whitman, these are not partisan issues. our democracy is under assault because our elections are under assault. and starting with the eastman complaint and much, much more we're doing something about it. >> richard painter, before we go, are any of the senior officials, including the former president, but others who helped and aided this plot, going to face charges for this, right? or will it be another instance of a lot of sound and fury but no actual action? >> well, the prosecutor down in
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atlanta is looking at state charges against donald trump, i believe, for solicitation of election fraud. but once again, the department of justice does need to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the former president and those working for him. i will note i was a republican for 30 years, and one of the most important accomplishments of the republican party was the 14th amendment of the united states constitution, section 3 of the 14th amendment disqualifies from public office anyone who has supported an insurrection such as what happened during january 6th at the capitol, january 6th. donald trump is disqualified from public office under section 3 of the 14th amendment, and the justice department needs to appoint a special prosecutor to prosecute everyone involved in the events of that day. we should not have to deal with his candidacy in 2024. >> we'll see if that step is taken. ambassador norm eisen, richard painter, thank you to both of
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you and for the bipartisan work you're doing. >> thank you. >> thanks, jim. new details about the terrorist who killed 13 americans in the deadly bombing at the kabul airport. why he was released from prison just days before the attack. that live report is next.
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carried out that attack in late august that left 13 u.s. service members dead and, of course, a large number of afghans, that person was released from a prison near kabul just days earlier. >> remarkable thing, the taliban is policing isis-k there. oren lieberman joins us from the pentagon. this is one of many hundreds of prisoners, right, released in those days and weeks before going back to the trump agreement with the taliban. the concern must be that there are potentially many more people like this out there. >> not just hundreds of prisoners released from those prisons, but thousands from the prison in bagram air base and t another one, both close to kabul, and as the taliban approached kabul, they reelease all of the prisoners, many from the taliban but others from isis-k.
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one of these prisoners they released, we learned from two u.s. officials was abdul rahman, 11 days later as the u.s. was winding up its withdrawal and evacuation from afghanistan carried out the suicide bombing at abbey gate at kabul international airport that killed 13 u.s. service members as well as more than 100 afghans. he was one of those released by the taliban just days before and even if they are enemies, the taliban and isis-k, he was one of those released and that allowed him to carry out the terror attack that killed 11 marines, one sailor and one soldier. >> yeah. many hundreds of afghans too. oren lieberman at the pentagon, thank you very much. some 1500 people are expected to be part of the california oil spill cleanup effort by the end of the week. we're learning more about what might have caused the massive pipeline leak. a preliminary report suggests it may have been hooked by a ship's anchor. >> cnn joining us now from huntington beach, california. where do things stand this morning in terms of the damage
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that you're seeing as well and the effort for the cleanup? >> reporter: yeah, hey, jim and erica, good morning. the two things that we're focused on today as the investigation and the cleanup, but let's start with the investigation. we now know that a 4,000 foot section of that pipeline was moved about a hundred feet. so with the ceo of amplify energy said is that it appears as though it had been pulled and now looks look a semicircle in the middle of it is that split that 13 inch split. to put things into perspective this is a pipeline made out of steel, about 16 inches in dia diameter, covered in concrete. in a way, it explains why this preliminary report says that it was an anchor that hooked on to this pipeline, but the preliminary report also raising a lot of questions because it also says that the operator was notified of a low pressure and they were given that warning, but they did not shut off that pipeline until three hours later. so a lot of questions as to why
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it wasn't shut off, and when authorities found out about this, because the coast guard received reports of an oil sheen on friday. but the company did not notify authorities until saturday, the cleanup did not begin until later on saturday. that cleanup is still ongoing. the crews here behind me, they're arriving, we have been seeing them throughout the day, walking up and down the beach, picking up the oily sand and doing everything they can to get this cleaned up, both here on the beach and on the water, but this is not going to be easy. it is going to take some time. jim, erica? >> wow, camila bernal, appreciate the update, thank you. a coach for the u.s. women soccer league fired after a report detailing players accusing him of sexual misconduct for years.
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than 150 women and girls over the course of some two decades. he was sentenced to a maximum of 175 years today matches resume for the national women's soccer league after being called off in the wake of a new investigative report by "the athletic" which details years of abuse. manna shim and sin need farley accused riley. he has since been fired. now one of those players, mana shim is speaking out. >> he's a predator. he sexually harassed me. he sexually coerced sinead and he took away our careers. >> meg leinnehan is host of the podcast full time. it's maddening i think for a lot of people to read this and to
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see laid out what you refer to as an institutional failure in the league which you say is now facing a reckoning. why do you think it took so long? >> i think what we have seen across the league is that the system was built, right, upon this premise that any negative story would maybe completely derail the legal itself. first of all, there was this kind of institutional protection happening, but the players also felt this as well. they were afraid for their own careers. they were afraid for their teammates' careers. as we discussed in the piece, there is this culture of silence that has really permeated the national women's soccer league. >> when we look at that, too, the culture and the way it was set up, as you point out, in some ways -- i was having this conversation with colleagues earlier -- it almost feels what we see in terms of the abuse scandal in the catholic church where people were sort of moved around, but the issues not
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addressed. >> i'm actually from massachusetts, so it was hard for my brain to not go there. but i think really seeing the path where paul riley was released from his contract with portland thorns in 2013 and then hired by another team in 2016, and that team confirmed that they knew an investigation had happened. they said they were under the impression that nothing unlawful had happened, but they followed all league protocols in setting up paul riley's new contract. that to me, again, speaks to the kind of institutional failure we've been looking at. >> it's not just within the nwsl. we heard on twitter reaction from ally rise man about the abuse she suffered from larry nassar. it includes all enablers,
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knowing unless we get a full independent investigation, we'll never understand the problem well enough to fix it and the list of victims will go. lisa baird who just resigned as commissioner of the league was part of the leadership team at the u.s. olympic committee. i'm wondering, do you see a broader fallout here beyond soccer? >> we've already seen global ripples from the story across the world of women's soccer. but i think it speaks to this larger pattern. there is that fundamental issue of people that take advantage of a power imbalance, a relationship between a coach and a player, but it could really be anyone that has a power imbalance. so i think naturally the structure of sports, especially within that coaching relationship, dozen courage athletes to maybe feel like they have to trust these people. so it's not just going to be women's soccer. i think the gymnastics thing has really led the way and also shown how crucial meaningful
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investigations are. we have four going right at the moment already within u.s. women's soccer just since thursday. we don't know how they're going to interact. that's another complication, too. >> it is. it feels like there are so many story lines here. ultimately, you giving a voice to these athletes, that they trust you, allowed you to share their story, we're shining a spotlight on this, and that is going to have a difference. you mentioned those investigations, we don't know where they're going to go. what is the path forward that you see this morning? >> i think the key part right at the moment is that the players have a voice, right? the decision to play games, i do expect we're going to see some very impactful moments not just from the players, but also the fans. there are institutional things that have to happen. the players can lead us through, i think, a huge part of this. fundamentally we have to make sure players feel emotionally, mentally, physically safe when they play the sport, and that is the bear minimum. >> meg linehan, phenomenal
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president biden ramping up his pressure campaign on republican senators, as the nation is dangerously close to defaulting on its debt for the first time ever. the president set to meet with ceos and business leaders a few hours from now where he's expected to make the case that republicans are putting the country at risk by standing firm and refusing to vote to raise the debt ceiling. >> senate democrats weighing the options to avoid default, including discussion of a one-time carve out of the senate filibuster rules to raise the debt limit. president biden suggested last night he would support or could support such a move. the bipartisan policy center reduced a new estimate that the government could run out of money without action as soon as october 19th. cnn congressional kpcorrespond manu raju joining us. we have a vote at 3:00 eastern time. it looks like republicans are going to block it. what comes next from

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