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boston crowd just goes wild. they party the rest of the night. red sox accepted the yankees packing, 6-2. >> you feed off that energy. you thrive for that. red sox nation brought it tonight. we needed it. you can't say enough about the crowd tonight. >> the guys are crushed. tonight was another tough one to take. we've been through a lot of wars with guys in that room. we have a lot of scars. so guys are -- guys are bummed. >> yeah. another long off-season in the bronx. haven't won a world series since 2009. aaron boone's contract is up. the rays series gets started tomorrow. . >> the red sox aren't very good. but that doesn't matter.
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the only thing that matters is we beat the yankees last night. >> good enough to beat the yankees. >> exactly. thank you. really. i mean it. thank you. "new day" continues right now. ♪ welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. it is wednesday, october 6th. and zuckerberg speaks. mark zuckerberg breaking his silence on the damning testimony from employee turned his el blower frances haugen, accusing facebook of putting profits before the safety of its users, including the youngest and most vulnerable. in a letter to employees he shared on his facebook page, zuckerberg said the country's work and motives have been characterized and many of the allegations don't make any sense. >> the comments are coming hours
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after frances haugen addressed facebook's role in society and appealed to congress for help. >> i believe facebook's products harm children, stoke division and weaken our democracy. they won't make the necessary changes because they have put their astronomical profits before people. congressional actions needed. they won't solve this crisis without your help. >> all right. joining us now cnn correspondent donie o'sullivan. i'll ask you to be a human recoder here. take me through item by item what mark zuckerberg said and fact-check it for us. he said if we wanted to hide our results, why establish an industry-leading standard for transparency and reporting on what we're doing? >> yeah. so this was a very long essay he wrote last night on the platform. this is by far the most laughable claim. they are cherry picking what
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research they release. the most obvious example came a few weeks ago. facebook put out a report about the most popular links on its platform in the second quarter of this year. an executive at the time had they brought it out said this makes us the most transparent platform on the internet. that report was for the second quarter. what happened a few days later, there was an actual report for the first quarter of this year but they shelved it because it made them look bad because the top link was a piece of anti vaccine misinformation. so they are cherry picking their research and telling us we are supposed to take them at their word about their research. >> all right. he says, quote, if we didn't care about fighting harmful content, then why would we employ so many more people dedicated to this than any other company in our space, even ones larger than us?
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>> so the number that facebook likes to tell congress, tens of thousands of people we have working on this. so many of the people they have working on their most doctor their biggest issue, content moderators. they're not actual facebook employees. they're contractors. they are paid nowhere near as well as a facebook employee. if they wanted to bring it up to that standard, why not spend that additional money, bring more people in-house, train them up to their own standard. facebook would say this is a scale issue. we cannot hire tens of thousands of people at once. but this issue has been on their platform for a decade now. what's delaying them? . >> all right. this is the third time. zuckerberg writes the argument that we deliberately push content that makes people angry for profit is deeply illogical. we make money from ads and advertisers tell us they don't want their ads next to angry
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content. i don't know any tech company that sets out to make people angry or depressed. it all points in the opposite direction. they say they're not trying to make people angry to make money. >> no platform is going out to do this. for facebook, it is the only show in time. they own whatsapp, instagram. some advertisers feel they have nowhere to go. there was stop hate for profit campaign last year. and finally, i mean, this also comes down to a perception issue. i don't think a lot of advertisers know the half of what is happening on facebook. they are they are down playing the numbers on hate speech. it is also public perception. >> finally, zuckerberg writes we can identify important issues and work on them.
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it is disheartening to see the work taken out of context and used to construct a false narrative that we don't care. . >> he should spend more time on his own platform. senator blumenthal set up an instagram account as a 14-year-old girl, followed a few accounts about eating disorders, dieting. and the algorithm that zuckerberg controls is pounding that account now with suggestions, more and more and more pro-eating disorder, pro-annex ya to a 13-year-old girl's account. >> people sometimes don't understand the specifics of what is being alleged they are doing that is either bad or wrong here. and i think you make it very clear. thank you so much for your continued reporting on this. >> sure. joining us now to talk more is democratic senator richard blumenthal, the chair of the sub
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committee that held the hearing with the facebook whistle-blower. his staff is the one that put together that experiment with an account posing as a 13-year-old girl. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> so you heard zuckerberg's response. what do you think? >> i think it is, number one r, he's advocating selective transparency. if you look at the thousands of pages of documents they convincingly support the whistle-blower, frances haugen, who was so compelling yesterday. what she set forth essentially shows how facebook is amplifying and weaponizing hate speech, disinformation, but also the anxieties and insecurities of teenagers, girls, negative self image, eating disorders, online bullying. it's all there. and he ought to spend more time
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looking at the platform, as many of his own staff well know. and i'm hoping there are other whistle blowers out there and more documents. we can't count on mark zuckerberg to tell us the truth. >> if you want him spend more time on this problem, he spent monday on a sailboat, the day between the whistle-blower's "60 minutes" interview and her senate testimony. what does that say to you? >> what it says to me is very directly and bluntly, he would rather avoid these problems. his m.o. is essentially no acknowledgment, no admissions, no apologies, no action. nothing to see here. i'm out sailing. well, apparently heals now back from sailing, and i think they're beginning to realize they have a big tobacco moment on their hands. i was involved and helped to lead the states in suing the big
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tobacco companies. and i remember well that light bulb moment, a jaw-dropping time when we discovered all of the files of the big tobacco companies, how they knew of the harm they were causing, the toxic products, and i think facebook faces the same moment of reckoning and moment of truth. so i think he's back from sailing, but he has not yet discovered he has to come clean. and we will be asking him to come testify before our sub committee. if he has disagreements with frances haugen or the whistle-blower. if he wants to explain the documents, his own research, his own reports that show how they are putting profits ahead of people and endangering children, he should come tell it to our committee and the american people itself. . >> when will that be for certain? . >> i hope he will be coming in
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the next weeks, maybe a month or so. we'll invite him, ask him to come. i can't tell you whether he will accept. but i think mark zuckerberg has an obligation to tell the american people himself. not just in this message to his employees. there is a profoundly important point here. kids are in danger every day from that bullying, from the pitches to them, content pushed by a black box algorithm. mark zuckerberg is algorithm designer in chief. he knows how it works. he's hiding it. he won't let anyone else have access to it outside the company. >> you got a little attention during this hearing. you know the moment i'm talking about. let's watch this. >> will you commit to ending
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finsa. >> we don't actually to finsta. >> i had a moment like this myself, senator. when i first learned what it was, a fake instagram account, like a shad toe instagram account that the youngins used. there has been fall out, judgment of you you for saying that. >> i took a little ribbing online. the internet had a laugh. my kids had a laugh. and i had a laugh. but we created a fake instagram account. so certainly i know what finsta is. i explained it in the first part of that hearing. and i think the real point here, and it's a deadly serious point, that kids are creating these fake accounts hidden from their parents. it is the exactly kind of account for a 13-year-old we created and who expressed interest in weight loss and eating disorders and she was
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deluged within 24 hours, flooded with content about eating disorders and self-injury. that's the algorithm at work. that is the perfect storm. the words mark zuckerberg's own researchers used, perfect storm to exacerbate downward spirals. they compare themselves to images that are carefully photo shopped and prepared and feel perhaps anxiety and bad about themselves. well, mark zuckerberg ought to look at himself in the mirror. >> before i let you go, are democrats going to filibuster. >> i'm in favor of abolishing the filibuster. >> but right now we know that's not what is going to happen. but in this specific case of just doing it for the debt ceiling, is that going to happen?
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>> i would never predict what will happen. i will be in favor of doing it. >> all right. senator, thank you so much. this is such a crucial time in this discussion about social media and facebook. we appreciate you making the time. >> thank you for having me. just in to cnn, a disturbing report from the cdc. it says the u.s. has recorded the biggest homicide rate spike in modern history. cnn's ryan young joins us live with the details here. we knew 2020, last year, was pad. now we know just how bad. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely, john. we knew 2020 was tough. it shows you how critical this violence was across america, actually. police chiefs tell you how diffi diff difficult it is. this is a large increase since 2001 during september 11th.
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so many people died during that tragedy. over 22,000 homicides. when you show these numbers, you can see the increase from 2019, 30% increase. 6.0 in 2009. 7.8 in 2020. the suicide number, this was a surprise. suicides dropped between 2019 and 2020. it was 13.9 suicides per 100,000. and in 2020, it was 13.5 suicides per 100,000. john, as we traveled across the country and talking to police chiefs about the gun violence in this country, they were worried about exactly what they were seeing. sometimes homicide detectives were working so much they barely had time to clear a case before they faced another one. something to note, three states that saw a drop in homicide numbers. maine, nickname, and alaska. so those three states saw a drop. as you talk about this critical
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threat to the entire nation when it comes to homicides, police departments kraots country have been implements new plans to go after violent criminals. they are hoping it will stem the violence in the streets. when you see the numbers on the increase, you can understand why some people were worried about the violence we were seeing just last year. . >> some signs it may be slowing down. ryan young, thank you for that report. what could put you at higher risk for a break through covid infection? the results of a new study next. >> espn host suspended after making controversial comments about president paobama. a big problem finding one of president trump's aides. ace like milkshake mustaches high fives and high dives. or 3-on-3s... 2-on-2s... and 1-on-1s. we see how these moments make us smile so, we make it easy to share your smile with safe and convenient care —
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just in, a knew study that say substance abuse people are at higher risk for breakthrough infections. cnn's elizabeth cohen with us now on this. this is a really interesting finding. >> reporter: it is. we've talked a lot about, brianna, what puts people more at risk for covid-19. but this is different. these are folks who are all vaccinated. and what put them at higher risk for getting covid-19? it was abusing substances. so let's take a look at what this study found. people who did not have substance abuse problems and were vaccinated that they had a break through infection rate of 3.6%. people fully vaccinated and abuse tobacco, 6.8%, cannabis use disorder, 7.8%. so you can see it is quite a bit higher. it's not spiral clear why.
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some of it might be the people who abuse alcohol or drugs off have other health problems that go along with it. that doesn't totally explain it. it might be with smoking or marijuana, the damage is being done to the lungs or possibly also the immune system. brianna. . >> elizabeth, hhs we are seeing now is releasing a new set of advertisements today that takes a different approach to convince americans to get vaccinated. what are they doing? >> reporter: that's right, john. this is a cnn exclusive. at 9:00 this morning, hhs, department of health and human services, will be released ads very different than they have done before. the agency has been trying to get people vaccinated by saying get vaccinated, hug your friends again. get vaccinated, get back to normal. nearly one out of every four americans has not been vaccinated yet. so they decided to try a different tactic.
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and really it involves fear. let's take a listen. >> been in the hospital for 76 days now. by the grace of god, i'm still here. it was a lot of dark times. i died three times. they gave me a 5% chance of living. >> i got covid. i was intubated and in a coma for 11 days. >> a few months ago i contracted the delta variant covid-19. i haven't been the same man since. i went from being a man who loved to play outside with his children and exercise to a man who pairly has enough energy to make it through the day. >> so those are real people. those are not actors. and hhs is hoping when people who have not been vaccinated see this it will encourage them to go get vaccinated so they don't end up in this situation. all three of the people, none were vaccinated at the time they got sick. again, this is an effort to convince the one out of four
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americans who still, despite 700,000 deaths in this country, still has not gotten even a single shot of a covid-19 vaccine. >> look, it's sad, but it's true. they're revealing what they have been through. and a lot of those revelations, people see themselves in those folks and connect with that. i do want to ask you about third doses of the vaccine. the fda's top official said yesterday, side effects from a third dose are similar to the second. there is a swollen lymph node situation that may be more frequent. what is this? >> reporter: that's right. dr. peter marks said yesterday, you know what, we have followed this and we have noticed something. after a third toes, people are more likely to get swollen lymph nodes under their arms. it is not anything to worry about. it's not anything dangerous. it is not like it happened to a lot of people. it was just more common than
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after the sending dose. he said if a woman is about to go out and get a mammogram, she might not want to do it right at the time of a booster dose because then the mammogram might get confused and see the swollen lymph nodes and wonder what's going on. it's better to get it a bit before or a bit afterwards. >> swollen under arms that do subside. that's what you're saying? >> reporter: that's right. think about what you're gaining, protection against covid-19. the two can't even be prepared. >> don't be alarmed, folks. elizabeth, thank you so much for that. this morning, a bipartisan group of legal scholars are calling for an investigation into john eastman, former trump lawyer who tried to convince former vice president mike pence in that memo that pence had the power to wroefr turn the results of the 2020 election, a blueprint to overthrow the election results. and he wrote it all down.
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joining us now is former governor of new jersey and the group that filed this complaint. governor, thank you for being with us. what is the basis of your complaint and what action do you want to see taken? >> well, the basis of the complaint is that john eastman did prima facia in flagrant violation of his duties as a lawyer by filing false claims and promoting them, advising a client to violate the constitution of what he could and couldn't do, meaning the vice president at the time telling him that he had the right to declare and who won this election by choosing which electors he would support. this is -- goes against every ethical standard that you have in the legal proflession. until people are held
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accountable for this, we will continue to see these frivolous lawsuits go forward. everything we have seen, the 2020 election was as free, fair, secure, accurate as any election we've had, with an incredible number of people voting in the midst of the pandemic with an administration that had been saying for months prior to the election that it was going to be fraud and watch out it was going to be bad. and if they lost it could only be that way. we are saying the bar in california, we are asking them to look at an ethic complaint because we think it is pretty obvious on the face of it that john eastman overstepped his bounds, ignored his oath of office and his responsibility as an officer of the court and that his actions can only undermine people's feeling of security in our legal process. and we need to stop it.
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it's tying up the courts. it is costing the taxpayers money. there is no there, there. as he well knew when he filed these various opinions and encouraged his clients to do things that he knew were illegal. >> you think he should lose his law license? . >> well, i mean, he could. and probably should. you know that some of the judges that heard the 60 days that were brought to try to overthrow the outcomes were all thraoepb out because there was no there, there. at least one said that the lawyer who brought the case should be sanctioned and that the bar association should look at it. that's going to be up to the california bar as to how they handle it and what kind of punishments they mete out. until we start doing that, rudy giuliani lost his license over something else but all around
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this time and everything he was involved in. and until we start doing this, we will not have the accountability we need toen somer our elections continue to be security and that we are not just setting ourselves up for an easy ability to contest and call for the overthrow of returns in the 2022 and 2024 elections. >> let me ask you quickly about a related subject, the january 6th committee. it wants to give a subpoena to dan scavino because he may have information about what was done and not done by the former president. they can't find him. what do you make of that? . >> it has been extraordinary how many trump officials have ignored subpoenaed. you have somebody testifying that he was issued a subpoena two years. you cannot ignore the law. they will find him eventually and they will serve the subpoena. but this idea that somehow some people are above the law is a
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obama's racial background while addressing her own racial identity. >> why is it so important to say you're biracial? because my mom is white. she's actually italian. and my dad is black. why not? i feel i have the best of both words. barack obama chose black and he's president. his black dad was nowhere to be found but his white mom and grandma raised him. you do you. i'll do me. . >> the host of" stick to sports," former espn anchor. your reaction to this on twitter caught our eye. you said my dad wasn't around when i was younger. i'm still black. i wonder when you tpaelt when you heard sage steele saying that. . >> i think two things that were happening.
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even in describing who she is, she's very popular, really well-known. and i think a lot of people, myself included, before i even started working at espn, sage was considered a role model in a lot of ways for a lot of young brown girls. and so i think the reason why you're hearing so much about this in the community is because it's disappointing. and i think a lot of people, regardless of her experience or how she chooses to identify for many years related to sage as the brown girl at espn or someone they could look up to or aspire to be like. and my reaction was simply disappointed. because, first of all, it implied so many things that were hurtful. and it also shows that there is just a lack of unawareness on her part. and there was no one there to say that sounds a little strange, don't you think, sage? for you to say that about the
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former president. and it's actually disrespectful. >> i also want to listen -- she talked about a lot of things and caught a lot of flack for many of the things she said. one was about female he reporters she has worked with. let's listen to that. >> i do think as women we need to be responsible as well. it isn't just on players and athletes and coaches to act a certain way. i've had talks with young women who would come in and they would intern with me, with our channel or just other women who reach out to me now. and i said to a couple of them, would you like at my tape. i said, listen, i would love to but the way you present yourself is not something i want to be associated with. when you dress like that, i'm not saying you deserve the close comments. but you know what you're doing when you put that outfit on, too. >> what's your reaction to that? >> that's dumb. i don't have any other eloquent way to say that.
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here's the thing. she clearly has an issue with women. but i'll say this, and it may be controversial. her statements, while being anti-black or making it seem like she doesn't want to be associated with black people because they have been mean to her or whatever she said in the past probably wouldn't have been an issue. but now she is anti-woman. how do you tell a young woman i don't like the way you address, so i don't want to mentor you or look at your tape. this business is a male-dominant n -- dominated business. if you have a woman say she's not going to help another woman because the way she's dressed pushes us down. it is very cultural. there is this mentality there can only be one.
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she upholds it in so many ways. here's the thing, though. i find myself in between this role, should i be compassionate toward her or just let her have it. clearly something is not right here. i know her. i've worked with her. these comments aren't shocking to me, they're shocking to people. now all of a sudden she wants to talk about it in a way in which she thinks she has taken the moral high ground. and quite frankly, all she has done is separated herself and put a division between with 'em in a business that already puts a division between us. we can't get along because we feel we have to compete. it is so disappointing. she's talking about the president and wondering why he's not checking black. -- i mean, why he is and not -- what are you talking about? what are you saying? last, but not least, we have so many -- like myself. like i said earlier, i really did look up to her.
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there was a point in time i thought this is it. she's the pinnacle. she made it. and she's so anti everything we stand for if we want to make it in this business. >> it is a tough business, right? it is about reaching down for people who are coming along and helping them out. cari, thank you so much for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> and i do want to read the statement we did get here from sage steele. she said i know my recent comments created controversy for the company, and i apologize. we are in the midst of an extremely challenging time that impacts all of us and it's more critical, she says, than ever that we communicate constructively and thoughtfully. espn has suspended her for a week, although she is at home ill as well as we understand it, they have removed her from her duties hosting a women in sports summit also. so she was president trump's top russia adviser. now she is telling all about him
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the january 6th committee is starting to hit a wall of resistance. cnn has learned a week after subpoenaing dan is scavino the committee investigating the attack has been unable to serve him the subpoena. this is coming as mike pence says news coverage of the insurrection is meant to demean trump supporters for perspective on the coup and a whole lot more, we want to talk to someone who watched up close, fiona
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hill, top adviser to russia. she testified in president trump's first impeachment hearing. and her new book is out. it's called "there is nothing for you here," which is a wonderful title that we will explain for you later in the interview. first things first here. in this book, you call trump's election lies a slow-motion coup attempt. and you also say someone else with a little more with all could finish the job. explain what you mean here. >> in terms of the slow motion aspect of the coup, it wasn't something sudden. obviously it wasn't a big military uprising with trump at the head of it. but it began even before the first impeachment trial with all of these efforts to subvert foreign policy and privatize it and deploy it in the service of trump getting reelectriced. basically trying to get the ukrainians to open up all of these investigations of joe biden and hunter biden they wanted to have. then from that period on, after
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the first impeachment, trump starts to talk about how the election is going to be falsified. no question about it, he says. it's going to be stolen. when he actually loses, even though he gets a phenomenal number of votes, he basically refuses to concede. we have so many investigations, recall accounts. we saw this happening in arizona, everywhere across the country, questions about the legitimacy of the election, questions about the president biden and his legitimacy being raised not just by trump but all the republicans. and of course in january 6th of this year, we had an insurrection. it wasn't the armed insurrection of the military, but it was a mob that stormed the capitol. now we're in denial about it. i would argue it's not just the slow-motion coup we saw leading up to january of 2021, we're still in it. sit basically another attempt to seize back power for president
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trump. >> and you write vividly, at the repetition of these lies and these claims, the repetition leads to normalizations. i want to read people what you write here. in doing so, he normalized his actions. it was the political equivalent of flashing that women had to put up when i was growing up in the uk. trump revealed himself, and people just got used to it. i'm never going to be able to get that image out of my head. >> i can't. that happened to me so many times when i was a kid. somebody does something so outrageous but it happened so often people don't question it. they don't say, wow, what are they doing here. vice president pence, someone who could have been severely injured or killed january 6th by the mob calling for him to be hung is now saying, oh, there's nothing to look at here. it was all fine. this was an example of what i was talking about, the normalization of violence or the
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normalization of something abusive. >> you talk about how -- it's not that he wanted to emulate russia, it's that he wanted to emulate vladimir putin. he had some autocrat envy. with that in mind, and knowing how he works, if there were another trump term, what do you think it would look like? would he try to make it a dictator ship? >> we saw it in the time that he was there in terms of kicking out professional diplomats, trying to basically bully members of congress who had been democratically elected and forced him to be loyal to him, saying to congressional republicans you won't get elected until you show feefealto me. we have seen him calling them my generals. saying to the judiciary, my judges.
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making it very clear when he was presiding over appointments at the supreme court he expected the judges, in an event of some kind of dispute about election outcomes, to further his position. these are all the hallmarks of the kind of auto increase we have seen develop in other places. and the kind of thing president putin has done. in january 20th, he had an amendment to the constitution to allow him to run again for multiple terms in office, essentially to 2036. trump said, and i heard him say it myself to world leaders in a joking way, again, to normalize it, wouldn't that be great if i could stay in power forever. >> the equivalent of flashing. >> exactly. >> what i like so much about your book, you come from this from a national security and comparative government perspective. it has that high-level look at this. which is why we hear so often or heard when he was in power, he was susceptible to flattery.
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i'm not sure i understood the whole depth until i read what you had to write about it. how much of a security liability was this susceptibility to flattery? >> well, any kind of susceptibility is a liability, right? everyone was focused on the idea that they had something they could blackmail him with. basically, just easier to do, right? much cheaper, much lower cost. you don't have to be skulking around getting material. all you had to do was say something nice about him. it is a classic moment i talk about in the book, where vladimir putin went on television and if you notice, putin never said anything negative about trump. and on this particular occasion, he was talking about how great the economy was doing, the stock market was rising very rapidly and he knew that trump was, you know, very proud of this. so he says something on russian television, it is related on u.s. television, and the next thing is president trump wants to have a phone call with vladimir putin. it was just -- it was a lure, the bait. and another time, people would appear on usually fox news who
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either wanted to get into the administration, wanted to get trump to do something, and they would start off talking about praising him, about how amazing a job he was doing and the next minute, there they would be in the oval office, having a chat with him or might be getting a position in the administration. >> so easy. it is just the currency of words there. i wonder as we have watched in the last few days this facebook whistle-blower and what we have learned about facebook's role, confirming some of obviously what we already knew, what is a bigger threat to american democracy, russia/putin or facebook? >> i'm afraid facebook has been. because what did russia -- putin do? the intelligence services of russia set up fake personas on facebook. also frankly on twitter. they had fake videos all over the place, on youtube. you know, i imagine they have been using many of these other same platforms in the same way. they went on there pretending to
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be americans and also ex-filtrating content for themselves as well. we focused on cambridge analytica, but we haven't focused on the research agency in st. petersburg, in russia, was dinoing as well. the whistle-blower talked about the danger of the algorithms, not just the content, and they have been able to target americans in the same way. but what they're doing is repackaging the information, the posting that americans have put on facebook and others have as well. they exploited that platform. >> want to ask you about the title of your book, which is "there's nothing for you here," though it comes from a conversation with your father, and it is what he said, there is nothing for you here pet, which i love. tell me about that conversation, and how it instructs your view of what's happening in the united states right now. >> well, that conversation came just as i was about to leave high school, and in the north of
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england, 1984. there was a 90% youth unemployment crisis at that point. 10% of kids leaving school had had something to go on to, maybe a place in college, or apprenticeship and a manufacturing company or, you know, something else, training for maybe a teacher or nurse or something. and basically my dad was an ex-coal miner, all the coal mines closed down, he's working in the local hospital as an orderly. it was very difficult for him to find a job and he just said looked at me and said as a girl in this kind of environment, if you want to make something of your life, there's nothing for you here, pet. you're going to have to go somewhere else and i got into college and it was just basically his way of telling me, unfortunately, you're probably not going to come back again. and that's how millions of people feel in the uk today and all the way around america as well, they feel they don't have the opportunity to stay in the place where their families lived for generations, where their parents worked. they may want to stay, but there is nothing for them here in terms of an educational opportunity or a job. and one of the biggest i think
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factors in all the things we're talking about, the way that people can use disinformation, someone like president trump can easily manipulate people, is education has become a marker for class and opportunity. and in, you know, the days of our parents and the united states, it was incredibly easy to get education by comparison because there were grants, subsidies, the gi bill, if anybody had been in the military, for example. for a kid today, it is difficult to get an education, including getting skills and qualifications they might need for a job in the economy. >> it is a wonderful book and your personal story really carries through this book. i think explaining sort of your connection and understanding some of what the u.s. is going through. fiona hill, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. thank you so much for having me. >> next, we have some breaking new details about the terrorist who killed 13 americans in the deadly bombing at the kabul airport. why was he released from prison just days before the attack? plus, the secret memo with a grave warning for u.s. spies.
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we innovate to outpace cyberthreats. so you can make the next day safer than the one before. we've got next. good morning to viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is wednesday. here we are, halfway through, october 6th, and i'm brianna keilar with john berman. facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg breaking his silence overnight after scathing testimony by a former employee turned whistle-blower on capitol hill. frances haugen urged lawmakers to act immediately to protect people from facebook's dangerous messaging, which she says harms
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children and fuels political division. >> zuckerberg shared a letter he wrote to facebook employees where he denied the allegations, saying they paint a false picture of the company. he called haugen's claim that facebook puts profit ahead of user safety, quote, deeply illogical and at odds with facebook goals. now, just moments ago on "new day," the senator in charge of that hearing essentially told the facebook boss to put up or shut up. >> he ought to spend more time looking at the platform as many of his own staff well know. and i'm hoping there are other whistle-blowers out there and more documents. we can't count on mark zu zuckerberg it tolto tell us the. we will be asking him to come testify before our subcommittee. if he has disagreements with frances haugen, or the whistle-blower, if he wants to explain the documents, thousands of them, his own research, his own reports, that show how

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