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breaking news tonight, a facebook whistleblower said a lot of changes are needed. mark zuckerberg struck back saying her claims don't make sense saying that facebook puts profits above the safety and well-being of its users. plus tonight, president biden trying to save his domestic agenda selling his massive infrastructure bill to unions in michigan, while telling progressives the safety plan needs to be cut back to about $2 trillion. will they go along.
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brian laundrie's sister pleads for him to turn himself in. and gabby petito's mother said someone needs to start talking about what happened to her daughter. the facebook whistleblower that mark zuckerberg is disputing tonight. >> the only way we can move forward and heal facebook is by telling the truth. >> reporter: and the truth by francis hougan is something they haven't admitted. hougan tefrstifying to the sena about what the company did and did not do about the spread of misinformation above and beyond. >> you said there was a spread of misinformation ahead of the 2020 election, but turned off
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those safeguards right after the election, and you know the insurrection occurred january 6. do you think facebook turned off the safeguards because they were costing the company money, because it was reducing profits? >> facebook changed those safety defaults in the run-up to the election because they knew they were dangerous. and because they want that growth back, they wanted the acceleration of the platform back after the election, they returned to their original defaults. and the fact they had to break the glass on january 6 and turn them back on, i think that's deeply problematic. >> reporter: another big focus of the hearing? how facebook and its other social media apps, including instagram, negatively impact kids. >> kids who are bullied on instagram, the bullying follows them home. it follows them into their bedrooms. the last thing they see before they go to bed at night is someone being cruel to them, or the first thing they see in the morning is someone being cruel to them. >> reporter: senator blumenthal calling the revelation
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jaw-dropping and calling facebook big tobacco. >> facebook knows they can be toxic to children. i it's not that they made money again. they value their profit more than the pain they cause to children and their families. >> reporter: the word addiction coming up over and over again during testimony. >> it's just like cigarettes. teenagers don't have a lot of good self-regulation. they say explicitly, i feel bad when i use instagram and yet i cannot stop. we need to protect our kids. >> reporter: facebook said hougan did not work on these problems directly. she had no direct reports and never attended a decision point meeting. but hougan brought rigeceipts, research from inside facebook documenting the damage that had been done. >> there are organizational problems. >> reporter: during all this, where was mark zuckerberg?
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senators called out his absence and quipped that he was sailing, referring to his recent uploads to facebook and instagram. >> rather than taking responsibility and showing leadership, mr. zuckerberg is going sailing. >> reporter: lots of comments about the credibility of this whistleblower. people blown away by how knowledgeable she is and how much she is willing to share. and remember, don, the documents she has provided, they show lots of employees inside facebook have the same fears that she does. this story is not over. not by a long shot. don? >> brian stelter, thank you very much. i appreciate it. i want to bring in now "new york times'" opinion writer cakara swisher. she is also the host of "sway," the podcast. this is right up your alley here. good evening. today's testimony was incredibly damning. will this be the moment that finally 4forces facebook to
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change, or some change, at least, when it comes to social media sites. >> i think now it's congress that has to act. facebook or mark zuckerberg is saying this isn't the company we know, which is also saying she doesn't know what she's talking about. the pr people in statements trying to minimize her, trying to make it seem like she's a nobody, that she's not in on the big meetings. aggression is what they're using here. it's up to congress now to act, and frankly, they've done nothing. it's at their -- they have to do something right now. >> and to what you said, this is how mark zuckerberg and others responded tonight. you just noted about what he said. writing in part, you said, the argument we deliberately push content that makes money for profit. we make ads and people consistently tell us they don't want ads next to harmful or
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angry content. he is soaying hougan's comments don't make sense, but she came with receipts. >> they're minimizing the claims. they're trying to make them too broad. at one point i thought one of the comments was, we didn't start the civil war, or something like that. no one thinks facebook sis the cause of hatred between human beings. that's humans. the politicians, you could blame donald trump, fox news, anyone whatever side you're on. but facebook manipulates all these families. there has never been such a communications platform in history, and the fact of the matter is they manage it properly. it seems around the world they've had problems, and now they've had them here, and what she was saying made a lot of sense. i think a lot of the people on both sides of the aisle were listening to her. >> mark zuckerberg and those who work at facebook, they could easily change the toxic nature of facebook if he wanted to. most of all, he's at the top.
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take a listen to this. >> he holds over 55% of all the voting shares for facebook. there are no similarly powerful company that are as unilaterally controlled. and in the end, the buck stops with mark. there is currently no one holding mark accountable but himself. >> straight up, kara, is she right? is mark zuckerberg the sfproble? >> oh, yeah. well, he can't be fired. you and i can be fired, right? it does have an effect on us. if you're unfireable and you're unaccountable and you run the biggest communication platform in the history of the world? that's a lot on your shoulders, even if you're very good at your job. i think sometimes he does a good job, sometimes he doesn't, but it's too much for anyone to bear and especially too much for one private company which makes money off our data to be able to be trusted with a lot of this stuff. y i don't know what the solutions are. i don't agree with a lot of her
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solutions. i don't agree with other solutions, but there should be a transparent discussion about how to regulate this company and others like it because they have an impact. what does that mean to do that? are they utility? are they a publisher? are they a media company? that needs to be determined. >> i think you're right. i think i have my idea of what i think it is, but i don't know if that will work. but we should have the discussion and see if there's something that will work. kara, i appreciate you joining us. thank you. have a good evening. >> no problem. thanks. now to democrats scrambling to make a deal to pass the president's agenda and avoid the nation's first ever default. congressman, how are you doing? >> i'm doing fine. i agree with your previous guest, though, that we need to do something about facebook. >> go on. >> you know, i do think that particularly among the younger members of congress who have come in recent years that we
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understand the reach and really the danger of some of these social media companies and recognize the need for some sort of regulation. we need to have the debate, and i appreciate you covering that. >> thank you very much, i appreciate that. what about sources telling cnn that democrats are thinking about changing senate rules so the debt ceiling can be raised by a simple majority vote? do you support this, would you support this? >> absolutely. i mean, there is just no way that we can allow us to play politics with the full faith and credit of the united states. really, with the global economy. the fact that mitch mcconnell, who knows better, who really does. there are a lot of quotes from him previously talking about the importance of doing this, saying that it's only incumbent on the democrats to do this and they have to overcome his obstacles, then okay, we are showing right now how the filibuster has crippled the united states senate and we need to find a way
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around it. >> finally! finally our democrats are realizing the republicans don't want to work with you? finally. seriously, i hate to sound -- i don't know, sarcastic or whatever the word is, but, i mean, congressman, where has this been? where has this attitude been? >> well, it's been there. we just haven't always had the votes to do it, don. you and i talked a lot about voting rights and how passionately i feel that particularly in the area of voting rights, it shouldn't be subject to a majority vote and we should be able to do with majority vote. i think if we were able to get around the filibuster that you would see more bipartisanship in the senate because there would be more impetus to work together. >> vyou would have to work with
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each other. there wouldn't be this trick or this sort of bypasses in the system that you can use, right, in order not to be bipartisan. finally. i hope most of the democrats in washington are waking up to this. okay. so, listen, president biden told house progressives that the house safety net package has to come down from $3.5 trillion to 1.9 to $2.2 trillion. where are you willing to make cuts? >> yeah. well, i think we have to decide what is most important in this. what are the programs that we feel have to be in. and then we can decide on the top line number because it will be variable depending how many years those programs are for, whether it's five years, ten years, into perpetuity. and so i think we have a lot of agreement what those programs should be. you know, they're dealing with the environment, yes, but they're also dealing with helping hardworking american families who have had a really
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hard time and were having a hard time for a long time before that. so i think once we get those in, these are really popular things, like paid family and medical leave. capping the cost of child care, pre-k and early childhood education, things that we've seen. if you spent a dollar in early childhood education, you get $7 back in terms of economic output. these are great investments for us in the rest of the country, and the top line really is less important. we just have to arrive at the programs, arrive at what we're going to do and then we'll work our way backwards and gets this done. >> the things that will probably benefit rural and red states, maybe even more than blue states. people vote against their interests all the time. >> in texas, what we're talking about here would be beneficial. just like expanding medicaid, we could get over a 100 patients.
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>> thank you, i appreciate it. gabby petito's fiance brian laundrie has been missing for weeks. i'm going to ask if the trail has grown cold as her family speaks out. >> reporter: do you believe he is hiding somewhere? >> i do. >> reporter: why do you believe that? >> because he's a coward. flat out. i'd like to use some other bobo words, but i can't use them on your show.
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i would say brian is a mediocre survi survivalist. it wouldn't surprise me if he could last out there for a long time, but also i don't think anything would surprise me at this point. i hope my brother is alive, because i want answers just as much as everybody else. >> so let's discuss now, candace long is here, and she's also host of the new killer "psyche." thank you for being here. you're calling this statement by brian laundrie's sister very revealing about what she may know. what are you taking away from this? >> well, the first thing i noticed was that, unlike her parents, who originally said -- contacted the police and said he's missing, we're worried about him, she's not worried about him. she basically says she's not
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worried that he's dead, she hopes he isn't, but he's wanting him to come home and turn himself in and answer questions. >> her name is cassie laundrie. she's also telling cnn she hasn't spoken to her parents in two weeks and said their lawyer advised them not to discuss the case even with her. i mean, what does it tell investigators about the parents? does it say anything? >> it sounds to me like the lawyer is worried that if the parents talk to their daughter cassie, she might reveal something. it is ominous. it is similar to what i thought when brian -- when gabby's parents called her parents and they were referred to the lawyer. >> now, gabby's parents and stepparents are speaking to dr. phil today saying they thought both of them were missing until they found out brian had come
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home. listen to this. >> i didn't know about the van until -- >> we actually thought they were both missing at that point in time when we were calling them. >> i was worried about both of them. >> when did you learn the van was back? >> the night of the 11th when i reported her missing. a detective came to my door and let me know that the van was in florida. >> that's when you said you knew, bad, bad news. >> uh-huh. >> now, what picture are these emergent details painting for law enforcement, do you think? >> well, he shows up, brian shows up in florida back at his parents' with the van, or whether it was gabby's van or his van, they were using that van. that was their traveling motel on their adventure in the west for their travel blog or gabby's travel blog. and he shows up without her. he had been living in his parents' home with her. they were engaged.
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they were living there. they had been there for months. certainly the parents would have said, where is gabby? >> what's going on, right, something. >> yeah. i would love to know what he said. did he say, oh, i dropped her off in new york, or -- i mean -- and then everything that followed, the parents not talking with gabby's parents does not bode well here. it just supports my belief that they know what happened. perhaps he revealed what happened. we know she was found to be the victim of a homicide and nobody is talking. >> now, listen, we covered this closely but i don't think anybody is covering it as closely as you because you're doing it on your podcast called "psyche." tell us about that. >> last week we shelved our
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regular episode and decided to focus on the gabby petito case. and it is obviously a story that has captured the nation. young people set out on an adventure that they want to share with everyone and something goes terribly wrong, and the young woman ends up a homicide victim, and the man she's with takes off after he had been home for a while. he didn't take off until, i believe, her body was -- it was determined her body was found. and then he takes off. so we go into all these details and as much background as we have on both of them as well as the case and what went wrong. >> well, we'll be following this and we'll be listening to your podcast, "killer psyche."
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pay attention. or if you're going to bed or whatever, pay attention. north carolina congressional cand candidate's campaign ad tells of story of when the kkk came to town. they stood up to the hate group and drove them out. >> the night they rode in with their cars, their crosses and a single light bulb hooked to a car battery. 50 klansmen. he had been a tail gunner in a b-29 during the war. lockleer was four months pregnant. hundreds of normal folks deciding to stand together against ignorance and hate. lowry shot out the light. the klansmen scattered. by the time the sheriff arrived to fish them out of the swamp, the press was running with the
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story. the battle of hayes pawn, a piece of history worth remembering, especially today. >> boy, do we need more folks like you now. joining me is charles graham. he is running for congress in north carolina's ninth congressional district. i'm so glad you reminded us of that, and in the process remind americans of it. i appreciate you joining us. good evening. >> thank you, don. thank you for having me. >> so what a story here. why did you make "the battle of hayes pond" such a central part of your campaign? >> don, this rollout yesterday, actually, was intended to demonstrate to the folks in the ninth congressional district that they have a gentleman who is running for this office who has demonstrated that when communities come together, as
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did hayes pawn, african-americans, indians, coming together to fight hatred, bigotry, we can accomplish a lot when we do those things as opposed to what we see today. >> you say that what happened then mirrors a lot of what we see today. explain. >> well, don, on a smaller scale, i don't have to identify what the kkk stood for. we all know what they stood for, hatred, bigotry. as we move forward to 2021, i think the world knows what happened at our nation's capitol. we have a divided country as we see today. i'm a candidate running for congress and i would use my voice to stand for what is right, to stand up for our democracy. and my situation, we have a
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sitting house member who has undermined our presidency, who has undermined -- and i'll be honest with you, don, has turned democracy on its head. charles graham, i was raised as a sharecropper's son. my grandparents were sharecroppers. i was taught value, how to treat people with respect, and those are things i will take into congress to work in a bipartisan way to make my community, the home of the lumbee, a stronger and better community, and the communities throughout the district a much stronger and better communities. and that's what i would be advocating for as opposed to what we see now from many of our representatives. >> since you mentioned the
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opposition, you're running against the current republican dan bishop. dan bishop was behind the infamous bathroom bill that ban people from using restrooms that did not correlate with their biological sex, limiting it for transgender people. you apologized to the transgender community and told them the vote was a joke. what changed your mind, sir? >> don, that was approximately five years ago when i voted for that bill. i did not realize at the time what would be the outcome of that legislation. i realized after the fact that it was hurtful, it was painful to our transgender communities, and i made a choice that was the wrong choice. i've apologized for that vote,
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and in addition, don, i did work diligently to repeal this bill, and i'm proud that i've done that. i'm an individual who, don, throughout my life, especially my younger life, i experienced hate. i experienced discrimination. i confronted it face to face. and as we move forward and going into congress, it is my intention to make sure that all people of color, gender will have a voice in congress as opposed to what we're seeing now, partisanship and divide. >> what you're saying, partisanship and divide. do you think that what you're selling, people are going to buy it? >> i think as a member of the north carolina general assembly,
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the constituents i represent, they want to see their member working across the aisle, trying to bring things to their district, and i've done that. the house member that i'll hopefully be running against, don, i don't know that we can say what he's brought to our folks in eastern and ruhle counties. but i can tell you i have worked diligently to bring opportunities to the people that i represent, and i'm very proud of that fact. so my voice would be a voice as a uniter, not a divider. that's what we have in the current situation. someone who has undermined our president, will not support his agenda, and i don't think people appreciate that. >> representative grisham, i'm so happy to have you on. i hope your message gets to people regardless of how they vote -- representative graham,
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excuse me. i don't know why i said that, but graham. i hope your message gets to people, whether they vote for you or someone else, because your message is needed today. i appreciate it. >> thank you, don. it's a pleasure to be with you. >> you as well. a former contract worker at tesla saying he experienced a barrage of racial abuse at the company's factory in california. now a federal jury has awarded him nearly $137 million. retirement, she'll wonder,lt "what if i could retire sooner?" and so she'll get some advice from fidelity, and fidelity will help her explore some different scenarios, like saving more every month. ♪ and that has carla feeling so confident that she can enjoy her dream... right now. that's the planning effect, from fidelity.
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a giant verdict against tesla. a federal jury ordering the company to pay $137 million in damages to a former contractor at its fremont, california plant who alleges that he was subjected to racial harassment and discrimination. no word on whether the automaker will appeal. but the country says it does not believe the facts justify the verdict. owen diaz is the plaintiff in this case. he joins me now along with his attorney larry morgan. i appreciate you gentlemen joining me. good evening to you, owen, and larry. >> good evening, don. >> in the lawsuit you describe racist graffiti and sensitive characters. you say you were repeatedly referred to using racial slurs, that you were told to go back to africa. tell us what it's like working in this factory. talk to me. >> just a hostile work
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environment. you know, the thing is that my supervisors and coworkers were not only telling me to go back to africa, they were saying the "n" word and saying the "n" word aren't s-h-i -- you know. i also had a supervisor in the elevator threaten me with physical violence, and that was caught on surveillance video, and they never took a look at that. then one of the other instances when that same supervisor that accosted me in the elevator, he drew a picture of a jigger on a cardboard and sent it to me.
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>> the company says they responded to owen's complaints. bun was removed, two contractors were fired. owen only complained about usage of the "n" word only after he was not hired full-time. how do you respond to that? >> well, you know, my mother told me never to call anybody a wiseass. the thing is they retained the supervisor that was causing the incidents, you know, and they kept them in the same position that he was in in the beginning. we don't know today if he's still dishing out that abuse to other employees. >> larry, workman also says witnesses testify that they regularly heard the "n" word at tesla but that most of the time they thought the language was used in a friendly manner and by african-american colleagues. in what world is that okay? >> not okay and not true.
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you know, the whole point of the jury's award, $130 million in punitive damage to punish and inter, is to hear what he's saying. they put this statement out not five hours after the jury rendered its verdict. it doesn't reflect what the jury says. it lies about owen's ownership of tesla because they found out he's an employee. two witnesses claimed, in fact, the "n" word was supported. it shows you the jury absolutely got it right. in fact, they should have awarded more money so tesla might shut its mouth and do something. >> owen, you said the breaking point for you was when your son, who also worked at tesla, was full of racial slurs, too.
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what? >> it was the summer of 2015, and i was taking my son, like a father would do. my son was working and i was taking him with me. then as i was coming around the corner, he hit the supervisor, sam, saying he couldn't stand all the f-ing inns. at that point, demasculized the this is is what i will go through the rest of my life, j that not only did i make a mistake az parent and took my son i was trying to keep my son
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on track and turn him into a productive citizen of society. . it says while we strong the believe these facts don't satisfy the judge and jury in new mexico. we the five yeerds ago. do you think tesla will appeal quickly and i think, again, they're not telling me the truth. i have a class action now. what the blue that the' in hai world. thank you both for being here. >> thank you.
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our democracy" and he joins me now. andrew, thank you for joining me. >> great to be here. >> all right, andrew, a lot of people tried to make a third party successful, to have one before. why would this one be viable? >> polarization is now at record highs and it's just getting worse, don. gallop just said 62% of americans are looking for a third party. the question is, why have none of them worked? and the answer is mechanics. you have closed party primaries driving the polarization. so that's what the forward party is looking to change, to shift to open primaries and rank choice voting that would both decrease polarization and lower the country's temperature and give rise to a new options and alternatives. >> yeah. well, listen, as a registered independent, welcome to the club, okay? what, go on. >> that's fantastic. i'm new to the club, but i'm enjoying it so far. >> let's look at your former party, because you ran as a democrat in all of your previous
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races. one thing we're seeing is that there really is a variety of ideas or there are a variety of ideas and priorities within the democratic party. you really don't think there's a place for you with that broad range in that party? >> the dysfunction in washington unfortunately is a product of our system, don. what i'm committed to, what the forward party is committed to is making sure our system starts working again. right now, we're living through a version of our founding father's worst nightmares. they would have never had this find of dysfunctional duopoly, which is vulnerable to authoritarianism. what they feared was clashing factions that never got anything done, and that's unfortunately a lot of what we're seeing in washington over the last number of years, really. >> look, you're aware that the
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gop led state ace cross the country are working hard to pass voting measures. several states already have. won't these sorts of laws and the gop efforts to hold on to power blunt any momentum for a third party? >> the one state that's already adopted open primaries and rank choice voting is alaska, a deep red state. it turns out that americans of every political alignment think our system will work better if our lead verse to appeal to 351% of voters instead of just the 10% to 20% on either side. so this isn't a red or blue thing, this is a systemic thing, and that's why we all feel like we're being pitted against each other. that's what we have to change. we have to disen tangle the incentives so they line up with the interests of the american people. >> i have your book here called "forward." i want to read a part about your experience running for president. you said, the people around me treated me as either celebrity
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or a product of hundreds of staffers were focused on selling, and everyone in my orbit started treating me like i might be a presidential contender. i was getting a crash course how we treat the very powerful and it was weird. and you add that power causes brain damage. so talk to me about that and what is the remedy? >> so clinical studies found that if you're in a position of power, it changes your brain wiring where you become less empathetic. we find of fear that our leaders are losing touch. it's one reason why they always try to recount their humble beginnings, so show that they're still like us. but the fact is, the more time you spend in this kind of crucible of political life, when you're just being surrounded by a vortex of cameras and money and the rest of it, it does mess with your head. and one thing i believe we should implement is term limits. 18-year term limits for members of congress.
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75% of americans recognize sending someone to d.c. and having them stay therefore should not be the way to go. >> 18 years? that's a long time. >> i'm being pretty reasonable. >> when you're in office, you should be in office for service, not as a career. so 18 years seems like a career. >> 18 years would still be completely different than what's happening now where a lot of the congressional leaders have been there 25, 30 years. we have a gerintocrayee right now, don, and 18 years would be an improvement. >> andrew yang, good to see you. the book again is "forward." >> thanks, don. let's fix it. >> thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. fide. we look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and help you build a flexible plan for cash flow that lasts,
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good evening. facebook likes to say it was built to bring people together. it literally uses those words in promotional material. well, today, it did bring people together. for the first time in a long time, democratic and republican members of a senate commerce subcommittee were together, united in their praise of whistle-blower frances haugen. now, as you know, she is the former-facebook product manager who leaked tens of thousands of pages of internal documents indicating that facebook knows the harm that they and instagram can do but chooses to put clicks, eyeballs, and ad sales ahead of fixing the problem. >> the company's leadership knows how to make facebook and instagram safer but won't make the necessary changes because they have put their astronomical


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