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issues that had happened that were now ready and important, but also -- sorry -- i forget what i was trying to say, but i think the other part of it, too, is also it's not only just the social landscape is changing, but also how the internet has evolved and when it's meant to have stories break and be on the internet and the harassment that people who didn't make mistakes like i did endured day after day. >> monica lewinsky, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> you know we're fans of yours here. our coverage continues right now. ♪ ♪ happening now, a whistle-blower unleashes damning new revelations about facebook during a fiery congressional hearing claiming the company misleads the company, harms children and weakens democracy. the social media giant drawing scorn from lawmakers in both parties. president biden hitting the road
to sell his floundering agenda as negotiations stall here in washington. the president says his plans are all about, and i'm quoting now, opportunity versus decay, not partisan politics, and we are also following new developments in the gabby pettitto investigation. brian br brian laundrie's breaking her silence and we are hearing from gabby pettitto's parentses in a new interview. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." ♪ ♪ >> we begin our coverage with today's explosive whistle-blower facebook hearing on capitol hill. dony, this former facebook employee painted a very
incriminating picture of the company. >> that's right, wolf. the whistle-blower, frances haugen is facebook's worst nightmare. she has thousands of documents from the company. have a watch. >> facebook's own research shows that. the kids are saying -- kids are saying i am unhappy when i use instagram, and i can't stop. >> powerful testimony on capitol hill today from frances haugen, the facebook whistle-blower who left in may and took with her thousands of documents including facebook's own research about the harm its technology causes teenagers. >> kids bullies on instagram and it follows them home and the last thing they see before they go to bed at night is someone being cruel to them. >> i think we'll look back 20 years from now, and all of us are going to be, like what in the hell were we thinking when we recognize the damage that it's done to a generation of
kids. >> haugen's call to action it's time for congress to vote to regulate facebook. >> i believe facebook's products harm children, stoke division and weaken our democracy. the company's leadership knows how to make facebook and instagram safer, but won't make the necessary changes because they've put their astronomical profits before people. congressional action is needed. they won't solve this crisis without your help. >> the hearing also took stark aim at facebook ceo mark zuckerberg who posted a video sailing with his family on sunday just before hogan exposed some of the company's research on children in an explosive 60 minutes interview. >> rather than taking responsibility and showing leadership, mr. zuckerberg is going sailing.
. no apologies, no action. nothing to see here. >> mark holds a upecorole in the tech industry in that he holds over 55% of all of the voting shares for facebook. for throw similarly powerful companies that are as unilaterally controlled and in the end the buck stops with mark. there is no one currently holding mark accountable, but himself. >> in a statement attacking the whistle-blower, facebook said she'd only worked for the company for two years and had no direct reports and never attended a decision meeting with the c-level executives and it added, it doesn't agree with her characterization of the issues of child safety on its platforms, but facebook says it does agree it is time for congress to make laws to regulate big tech. >> if you were a member of this panel, would you believe what facebook is saying? >> i would not believe -- facebook has not earned a right to just have blind trust in them. i came forward at great personal
risk because i believe we still have time to act. we must act now. >> and wolf, this is unlikely to be haugen's last visit to capitol hill. congressman adam schiff who is on the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection, that committee should speak about the culpability and all of the misinformation about the election and how that played into the january 6th insurrection. wolf? >> donnie o'sullivan joining us from capitol hill and let's get reaction from senator blumenful that about today's facebook hearing. thank you so much for joining us and i know you say and i'm quoting now big tech now faces big tobacco, jaw-dropping moment of truth. your words. how disturbed are you by what you learned from the facebook whistle blower frances haugen? >> this testimony is about as
compelling and credible and deeply disturbing as it gets. this witness was so convincing because she came forth at great personal risk, but also she had documents to prove everything she was saying, and what her theory was and it's validated by the facts is facebook is essentially using these algorithms to amplify and weaponize divisions, anger, hatred, but also teens' insecurities and anxieties to move them to online bullying and personal injury and eating disorders and for any parent, this kind of testimony has to be want only compelling, but also very fearsome because it shows why children are going to facebook, why they are driven to
these dark places and how facebook is very consciously and knowingly deepening their insecurities and anxieties. so i think it was very important. >> there's clearly, bipartisan agreement on capitol hill including your own subcommittee during the hearing on protecting children and teens from the harmful effects of facebook, but do you see the same sense of urgency from some of your other republican colleagues when it comes to the pandemic and election misinformation that this site actually traffics in? >> this site amplifies and weaponizes the misinformation about the pandemic, and about a variety of other issues that are dangerous to our democracy, but to go to your fundamental question, wolf, and it is the question of the day. can we sustain the sense of urgency, can we continue the bipartisanship? >> i think the worry is yes, and i've been working on this issue for more than a decade. it is a breakthrough moment.
it is a tobacco moment for biggie tech because these disclosures are from the tech industry's own files, facebook's own research and surveys which show how really they could have done very good financial success without making facebook and instagram so unsafe and that's the false choice that frances haugen depicted so graphically. facebook's greed is driving these teens into the darkest of places because they simply want to amplify messages. more eyeballs, more users, more data, more advertisers and ultimately mark zuckerberg is responsible. >> during the testimony, frances haugen says the core of the issue is that no one truly understands what she describes as the destructive choices made by facebook except facebook. how does congress get full transparency from facebook?
is that even possible? >> that is one of the remedies we need. transparency. remember, we asked facebook all of the questions that were asked of frances haugen today. we requested all of the documents that she made available. facebook stonewalled us and they denied, in fact that this kind of data exists, information in their files and to pursue full transparency, we may need subpoenas and that's an issue that has to be confronted, and i think mark zuckerberg has to come before this committee and if facebook is so dissatisfied as they indicated in that statement and if they want congressional action they want to come here and participate at the table and not simply try to demean ask dismiss the facts that were shown so powerfully today about their own culpability in teevn suicide, teen eating disorders and other kinds of online bullying.
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corres correspondent kaitlan is joining us. update our viewers on what he said. >> the president is on the road trying to sell this bill, but here in washington his aides are trying to get consensus on it among his own party and this has been a debate that has been raging for several weeks now and culminated last week when you saw the disagreements between progressives and the democratic party over what this price tag on the big social spending bill should ultimately look like and we do know that in a meeting with those progressive member, the president had floated a number between 1.9 trillion and 2.2 trillion and that was something progressives pushed back on saying that they would prefer to see a number closer to 2.5 trillion, but of course, that is much lower than initially what they had proposed a $3.5 trillion bill. so when they do reach consensus here, wolf, what the question is going to be is not just about the price tag, but what is actually contained in this bill and what they have to scale
back, water down or potentially eliminate if they'll go with a smaller price tag, but today when president biden was in michigan, he was talking about what it would mean if they got the hard infrastructure bill passed alongside this social spending bill. >> these bills are not about left versus right or moderate versus progressive or anything that pits americans against one another. these bells are about competitiveness versus complace complacency opportunity, or about decay and they're about letting the world pass us by which is literally happening. >> wolf, there is a pmore immediate issue and that is the borrowing limit because democrats and republicans are still tonight in the standoff over how whether or not to raise it because as democrats want republicans to vote with them to do so, republicans are saying they're not going to and they
want democrats to help the process known as reconciliation where they would have democratic votes to raise the debt limit and the president seems to think that republicans could be bluffing here and may change their mind. >> there's not much time left to did a reconciliation. they can keep it on two frankes, they can be on a hundred of amendments. i don't think they'll end up being that irresponsible. i can't believe it. >> wolf, that remains to be seen, but we should note that white house officials are reaching out to business leaders about having a meeting at the white house tomorrow and that would widely be seen as a way to increase pressure on republicans to stop saying they only want democrats to vote with them to raise the debt limit and we should note they did several times with president trump. >> the president returning here to washington from michigan. we'll continue to watch that, as well. kaitlan, thank you very much.
joining us now, the former democratic presidential candidate andrew yang, his new book, by the way, is entitled "forward notes on the future of our democracy." we have the book right here and we'll talk about it in a minute, andrew, but let's talk about an announcement you've made. you just announced you're leaving the democratic party and you're launching a new party along with your new book "forward." how does this disfifrngz right now within the democratic party seem to play into your decision to break away? >> unfortunately, dysfunction is nothing new in washington, wolf, we've been seeing it get high and are higher over the last number of years and we can see the polarization is literally at civil war levels right now. w we're seeing it manifest dysfunctional in washington and in our own neighborhoods and communities and that's what the party is designed to counteract. we'll lower the temperature of
the entire country by improving the political incentives so that our leaders need to be reasonable and skewed toward the middle instead of answering to the extremes on either side. >> why couldn't you do that still within the democratic party? >> the way we'll make this happen, wolf is to open primaries and choice voting in states around the country. one state has already done this. that state is alaska which is a red state and there are other blue states that have also been considering it. so you have to have a non-partisan, bi-partisan. lar moment, and that's why i declared myself as an independent next woeks, and there will be forward nbas, forward republicans and forward democrats because it will start working again, because it's not working for everyone right now, and i've gone forward are ward. you saw former president biden's
2016 election viektee as a red flag, and it's, a 2020 vice president yand do you think thi country can elect trump a second time? >> i think you can face facts and say he's the prohibitive favorite to be the republican nominee and then he may well win an election head to head with the democratic nominee who was this close this past time, wolf, and this is one reason why we have to act right now to lower the temperature of the country and actually change the political incentives so that people are able to act independently and not just follow the party line, the party leadership. if you look around the world, other democracies have five, eight, 17 or 18 political parties. we have two, and then if one has massive leadership problem, it can be nearly existential for
the country. we need to hake the system itself more dynamic, modern and resilient. >> i know you are very worried about the future of democracy in this country. we'll continue the conversation, andrew. thanks for writing this book "forward." >> wolf is in it. if you pick up a copy you can find him. >> andrew, thanks so much for doing this. let's continue this conversation down the road. a really important subject in indeed. thank you very much. >> great to see you, wolf. >> relatives of gabby petito and the missing brian laundrie both speaking out tonight about the ongoing mystery surrounding her death and his disappearance.
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>> relatives of gabby petito and brian laundrie both speaking out tonight about the intense search for laundrie following the death of petito which has been ruled a homicide. laundrie's sister pleaded with him to turn himself in. listen to what she said on abc's "good morning america." >> no, i do not know where brian is. i'd turn him in. i really wish he had come to me first that day with the van because i don't think we'd be here. i worry about him. i hope he's okay ask then i'm angry, and i don't know what to think. i would tell my brother to just come forward and get us out of this horrible mess. we've been cooperating with the police since day one. i have been in touch with law enforcement. i don't know if my parents are involved. i think if they are then they should come clean. i'd say brian is a mediocre survivalist. it wouldn't surprise me if he could last out there a very long
time, but also -- i don't think anything would surprise me at this point. if the fbi finds him in timbuktu, i'd be, like, all right, well that's where he was. i've got nothing. i hope my brother is alive because i want answers just as much as everybody else. >> meanwhile, petito's parents appeared on "the dr. phil show" urging laundrie's family to come forward with more information. >> somebody needs to start talking. i do believe they know a lot more information than they're putting out there. >> oh, yeah. >> we all want to protect our children. it's understandable, but it's also more important to teach your children right from wrong, and when something is wrong you need to do the right thing and have them own up to it. >> let's dig deeper right now with our senior law enforcement
analyst charles ramsey and cnn legal analyst paul callum. >> what's your reaction with this new interview, first of all, with brian laundrie's sister? >> well, maybe she doesn't know where he is or maybe she never saw them have any kind of physical altercation. people really only show you a side of them that they want you to see to begin with, that could very well be true, but we know for a fact that they did have an altercation that turned physical. we have video evidence of that. everything doesn't look like it did on facebook when we initially heard about this case, where everything was kisses and love, but you know, it rally doesn't matter. we still have to find him, dead or alive. he's the missing piece of the puzzle and so these interviews are nice, but they're not adding anything to the investigation. >> paul, laundry's sister also spoke to protesters outside her home on monday. listen to this.
>> i am losing my parents and my brother and my children's aunt and my future sister on law on top of this and you're not helping. >> why your parents? >> they're not talking to us either. >> why aren't they talking to you guys? >> if i knew i would say. i don't know. >> what do you make of the fact that she and her parents haven't been in contact? that's interesting. i think that she probably is trying to be helpful. i think she's come forward because protesters are lharassig her children and unlike the parents she was willing to give a rather extensive interview about what she knew concerning her brother's disappearance. unfortunately, she doesn't know too much. she at one point said her parent's lawyer was throwing her under the bus because the lawyer has been telling the parents not to talk to the police to keep quiet because they could wind up as suspects for aiding and abetting a fugitive from
justice. of course, we don't know what the lawyer has said to the parents, but i think another interesting question that was propounded to her was what are the survivalist skills of brian laundrie? is he capable of evading the fbi and a nationwide hunt? does he have the survivalist skills to go deep into the forest? he's apparently familiar with hiking the appalachian trail which is 2200 miles long. maybe he's out there, but maybe he's dead. we just don't know at this point. >> you're right. chief ramsey, with each day that passes how much more difficult does the search for laundrie get for law enforcement? >> well, very difficult. physical evidence outdoors only last for so long, and we certainly have been looking for him for a very long period of time now. so the longer it takes, if he is, of course, dead then a lot of physical evidence is being
destroyed on a minute by minute basis point, if he is there and still under the radar it becomes difficult, too. one of the issues if he is alive, everyone is wearing a mask because of covid. you can hide out in plain sight so we real le don't know and apparently they don't have a lot to go on yet because i'm talking about the fbi because, you know, they don't seem to have a search concentrated anywhere in particular. so hopefully someone in the public sees him and makes that phone call. >> chief, thank you very much. >> paul, very quickly, one more point? >> no, i was saying chief ramsey's point is excellent. shave off brian laundrie's beard and he'll become a different person in appearance and then you throw a mask on him, he'll be tough to find. >> all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead i'll speak with the head of the national institutes of health. dr. francis collins mean has just announced he is stepping down after serving under three
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tonight, one the of nation's top public health officials is stepping down. dr. francis collins announced today he's departing the role after serving 12 years under three different u.s. presidents. president biden just called him, and i'm quoting him now, one of the most important scientists of our time. dr. collins is joining us right now. dr. collins, thank you so much for joining us. thanks for all your service over these years. tell us how you reached what you described as a very difficult decision to step down and why now? >> it was a difficult decision, wolf, but scientific organizations like nih need new vision, new leadership on a regular basis. having served more than 12 years outstrips by a substantial margin, the usual shelf life of an nih director, and i think it
is time to have someone else come to this with a new perspective, and even though you might say the timing is not great for covid because we're still very much in the throws of that, nih is in a very stable, solid position as far as what we are doing with vaccines and therapeutics and diagnostics and i have a fantastic team of people that i've recruited and i think we will be able to continue that momentum, and i'm not quite gone yet. i am staying on until somewhat un unspecified date until the end of the year and i'm fully engaged in the meanwhile, and if you allow me to quote ecclesiastes. to every thing there is a season and a purpose under every heaven and it felt to me like this was the right time to step aside and ask the president to name someone else to lead this remarkable organization, and the largest supportive medical research in the world. >> you served as the director of
nih for 12 years. when you look back, dr. collins, particularly at this last year and a half during this covid-19 pandemic, first of all, what are you most proud of and what do you most regret? >> i am most proud in the way the scientific community, many supported by nih worked tirelessly 24/7 to rise to this challenge coming forward with vaccines in record time, 11 months, about the virus to have having shots that were ready to go into people's arms, and advances, things like monoclonal antibodies and the tests you can now buy on the shelves of the pharmacy. all of that was nih, fully engaged and all hands on deck, and working with partners in a seamless way, particularly in a partnership that i had the chance to lead, call to active and accelerated covid-19 therapeutic interventions with 20 companies and the nih and the
cdc all working together in a fashion that hasn't really quite happened before and built basically, a trust that was developed between us all and a recognition that it really mattered that every day counted. so that was an enormous source of satisfaction. what has been the greatest frustration, of course, wolf is this we are still losing 1800, 2,000 people a day. most of them unvaccinated and most of those lives that did not need to be lost because we somehow lost the information effort to get information in front of people to convince them that this is something they want for themselves, their families and their communities. that i didn't see coming. i will always be heart broken about the way in which so many lives have been unnecessarily lost. >> yeah. more than 700,000 americans now over the past year and a half have died from covid.
it's an awful, awful situation. the says it will announce your replacement before you depart, and there is a chance at the start of next year there could be no fda commissioner, no one confirmed to fill your role at nih. are you concerned about the potential leadership void? >> i'm not really that e conc concerned. it takes a weil to nominate that person and have them go through the senate nomination process which as you know can sometimes take longer than you would like, but we have a very capable nih team and the institutes and centers were led by remarkably gifted admunn strarts and scientists so i am not concerned that weal be in an unstable situation. i think we will get to that and i already talked to the president this morning about the importance of figuring out how to begin to put together that search list of who might be the next director. personally, i would like to see
that next person be a woman scientist, but we'll see how it turns out? we certainly will. once again, dr. collins, thank you so much for all you have done at nih and elsewhere over these many years. appreciate it very much. >> thank you, wolf. let me just say it's been an absolute privilege to serve the public in this way and for anybody listening who wonders whether a life of public service can be meaningful, let me tell you it absolutely can in the most amazing way. >> you absolutely are right, dr. collins. thank you so much. coming up, the former vice president mike pence goes on fox news to spin revisionist history about the january 6th insurrection. why is pence trying right now apparently to appease former president trump after his spun porters tried to actually hunt him down and they threatened to kill him?
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former vice president mike pence is trying to re-write history about the january 6th insurrection and brian todd is joining us with details right now. the former vice president seems to want to re-patch his relationship with the former president. >> he certainly seems to be doing that, wolf, even though trump has gone after pence since january 6th. a big question tonight why is mike pence letting trump and his supporters off the hook since it was a pro-trump mob that had designs on hurting poence on january 6th. >> mike pence is engaging in bizarre revisionist history on january 6th minimizing the insurrection. >> i know the media wants to distract from biden's failed
agenda and they want to use the one day to demean the character and intentions of 74 million americans. >> usa! usa! >> he's talking about trump supporters, some of whom on january 6th seemingly had designs on harming pence. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> pence, his wife and daughter were escorted out of the senate chamber by the secret service that day. "the washington post" later reported rioters were within 60 seconds of actually encountering the vice president in the hallway as he was being rushed out. >> they wanted to kill him for not overturning the elections, so for him to minimize it is frankly just shameful and embarrassing for him. >> i'm going to ask mike pence. >> regarding his former boss who stoked much of that violence, pence told fox news he harbors no hard feelings. >> the president and i sat down a few days later and talked through all of it. i can tell you that we parted amicably at the end of the administration and we've talked
a number of times since we both left office. >> the man pence said he parted amicably from has ruthlessly gone after pence. donald trump tweeting on january 6th mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and this summer saying this -- >> and i only wish that my friend mike pence had that additional courage to send -- to send the results back to the legislatures. >> just before january 6th, trump in a controversial lawyer named john eastman tried to convince pence that he could overturn the election results on the 6th bithrowing out electors from search states and in a book "peril" by bob woodward and robert costa of "the washington post," who told muk pence according to the authors, mike, you have no flexibility on this.
you have no power. in the end, pence refused to go along with eastman's alleged plan and a bipartisan group of former public officials and lawyers is now urging the california bar association whether john eastman violated ethics rules. he said the claims are hyperpartisan and political. might support him in his own potential run for the white house. >> if you're want seen as a trump guy that could be very hard for your political future, and i think that's what we see in vice president pence saying things that minimize january 6th, but perhaps maximize his ability to stay on former trump's good side. >> and what might be yet another political headache for mike pence as he navigates whether to run for president in 2024, a number of the house select committee investigating january 6th says pence will be investigated by that committee. wolf? >> all right, brian, thank you very much. let's discuss with our chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin.
pence, january 6th was just one day in january and minimizes it. >> this is a pathetic act by pence to ingratiate himself but this is part of a prodder effort in the republican party to normalize what went on on january 6th. it's not just pence. it's everyone in the republican party which is, of course, completely under the thrall of donald trump who are trying to minimize what went on here. so pence is just doing what republicans everywhere are doing. >> well, pence also, in his interview with sean hannity last night, he said the media is using january 6th in his word to demean trump voters right now. so, he is blaming the media right now. >> well, and -- and -- it -- by implication, he is saying, well,
those were just ordinary-trump voters in that mob attacking the capitol. i mean, i think better of most trump voters than -- than that. but look. i mean, remember, mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, in the days immediately after january 6th, they expressed outrage. they were angry. they were horrified by what went on. since then, nothing from them because the whole republican party now is -- is picking up on trump saying, well, the january 6th people, you know, we love them as he said the -- the day of the event. this is now the official republican party position that, you know, this wasn't really so bad. >> but it at least he did the right thing as president of the senate. vice president of the united states. and he certified -- he helped certify the electoral college results and said that biden was the president and then he attended the january-20th inauguration which trump refused to attend. >> he did the right thing on january 6th because, under the law, he had no -- no choice.
but he spent now and -- and apparently forevermore, minimizing the good that he did. and trying to defend the indefensible which was this -- this insurrection and the people who support him. >> well, as brian todd said, he is looking at the republican base out there. and if he wants a run for the republican nomination in 2024, apparently he believes he has no choice. >> yeah. to go by the forewords that, to me, define the trump era, shocking but not surprising. it is shocking but not surprising that the january-6th insurrection is now becoming something that trump supporters say, well, you know, it just wasn't so bad. >> yeah. well, it was very bad. >> it was very bad. >> it was awful. jeffrey toobin, thank you very, very much. coming up. critical new details of what may have caused that oil spill disaster that's killing wildlife and closing beaches in southern california. officials have just revealed what divers have discovered. trust safelite. ♪ upbeat, catchy music ♪
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major new developments tonight in that disastrous oil spill off the southern california coast. cnn national correspondent camila bernal is working the story for us. joining us from huntington beach right now. camila, i understand underwater divers, investigators have new information tonight on what may have caused this truly massive oil spill. what are you learning? >> reporter: so, wolf, we now know that it was a 4,000-foot section of this pipeline that essentially moved about 100 feet. it appears as if something had pulled it, and the ceo of amplify energy saying it now looks like a semicircle and in
the middle of that, you have a 13-inch split. and that's, of course, where all that oil was leaking. we know that it is not looking anymore. but there are still a lot of questions as to how this could have been prevented. and as to the timeline of all of this. because here's the thing. the coast guard got reports of an oil sheen on friday. but the cleanup did not begin until more than 12 hours later, on saturday. so really, so many questions around this cleanup and when it started. all those efforts are still ongoing as i speak. take a look at the crews here. they've been here since 6:00 in the morning, local time, and they're picking up that oil with their hands, with rakes, with shovels. and they're not done, yet. so, it's a long and difficult process here, and a similar one happening in the ocean. we actually spoke to two locals here who told me they went out on a boat yesterday. and when they saw this, they are
describing it as these thick paddies of that oil. they said, look, we're no experts but we just don't see how animals there could have survived that. so a lot of the locals here, they're angry. they're shocked. they're really wanting accountability. and unfortunately, they're not likely going to get any answers because the scope of this and, overall, what this happened or the damage that it caused is not going to be seen for weeks, wolf. >> camila, is this any sense how long orange county, where you are right now, in huntington beach -- i -- i know the area well -- will remain under this state of emergency? >> look. we don't know exactly when they're going to open the beaches up, again. we know that it is under a state of emergency. that was declared by governor gavin newsom, who is actually here at the moment holding a press conference. and he declared this state of emergency essentially to be able to bring in all these resources that you see here behind me because people are saying we
need to get this cleaned up. and we need to do it fast because, of course, there are so many effects of this. it's not just the environment. it's the economical aspect of all of this, too. so a lot of work to be done. >> camila bernal, thank you very much. and to our viewers, thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next. democrats scrambling for more options on raising the debt ceiling as the deadline to avoid america's first-ever default looms large. the s.e.c. chairman tonight warns of massive volatility in the markets, and says the u.s. is on uncharted water. plus, gabby petito's family speaking out and saying, quote, someone needs to start talking to help solve the mystery of gabby's death. and rocket man. new details tonight on what will be william shatner's historic journey to space at the age of 90. let's go outfront. and good evening, i'm erin burnett. out fron