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this is "don lemon tonight." let me ask you this. do you feel a little calmer today? do you feel like there were fewer angry voices out there? well, maybe that's because facebook along with instagram and what's app were down for most of the day and you know what that did. that silenced the feedback loop that seems to be making
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a lot of americans angrier and angrier. people couldn't yell at each other online. so people were at least -- or maybe looking for other places to do it. i want you to listen to this. this is facebook whistleblower frances haugen. she is claiming that anger is good for facebook's business. and she alleges the scale of the problem is much worse than the company is letting on or than the public even understands. she's on "60 minutes" and here is what she said. >> its own research is showing that content that is hateful, that is divisive, that is polarizing, it's easier to inspire people to anger than it is to other emotions. facebook has realized that if they change the algorithm to be safer people will spend less time on the site, they'll click on less ads, they'll make less money. >> okay. so, i mean, look, that's what she's saying. but think about what she's saying, right? she's a former facebook employee. and she's alleging the company
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is willing to let angry rhetoric spread as long as it's good for their bottom line. that whistle-blower's going to appear before a senate subcommittee. it's going to happen tomorrow. but before that happens cnn has obtained prepared testimony, her prepared testimony saying she knows facebook could, her word, destroy her. and comparing all of this to big tobacco, alleging that they know it's toxic but they do it anyway. a quote here. "when we realized tobacco companies were hiding the harms it caused, the government took action. when we figured out cars were safer with seat belts, the government took action. and today the government is taking action against companies that hid evidence of opioids. i implore you to do the same here." well, facebook is responding. a spokesperson is telling cnn, another quote, "every day our teams have to balance protecting the ability of billions of people to express themselves openly with the need to keep our platform a safe and positive
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place. we continue to make significant improvements to tackle the spread of misinformation and harmful content. so suggest we encourage bad content and do nothing is just true." end quote. from facebook. nobody is suggesting that everything you see on facebook is harmful. no one is suggesting that. but it's also no secret that the platform has been used to spread hate and misinformation, hate and misinformation that just serve to pit us against each other. you see it everywhere. the anger's everywhere and it's toxic. anger on planes, anger over vaccines, anger over masks. it seems that america is angrier than ever. two protesters flipping over a test table at a tent of a mobile covid testing site in new york city today. and obviously cameras everywhere. it's all caught on tape usually. who'd have thought that school board meetings all across the
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country would completely erupt over mask mandates? school boards. who would have thought that tharnts would be furious over attempts to protect their own children from a deadly pandemic? >> calm down. >> calm down. >> we know who you are! >> we know who you are! >> you can leave but we can find you and we -- >> you will never be allowed in public again! >> and i'm going to come for everybody! that comes at my kid with this stupid ridiculous mandate. >> we are the storm and we are here already and when this whole thing crumbles to the ground we will be here to hold you accountable for your crimes against humanity. >> no more -- >> right here. look, right here. so as you can see, fists are now flying. all of this on live television. fists are now flying. >> you are allowing child abuse.
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you are allowing child abuse. you are allowing child abuse. you are allowing child abuse. you with your snotty little face, you're allowing it as well. >> you treat the parents of these children as domestic terrorists, using our men in blue against us. your power-hungry dictatorship has gotten out of control. this is no longer about our safety. it is about control. >> no one knows history. no one remembers history. i am calling on churches, active-duty military, veterans, freedom-loving texans, we're calling you guys everywhere. we need your help. 1930s germany has similarities here. they censored everybody. they censured everybody. and all the people went with the government. we know in this room who would have turned in anne frank. we know that. thanks for showing your colors.
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>> one more time to quote the famous politician adolf hitler. when diplomacy ends, war begins. >> i've said it before. these mask wars over what people like to call their freedom, what kind of freedom is that? >> freedom, baby. we are for freedom. all the way. and that's what we love. >> what kind of freedom is that? the freedom for kids to get sick? the freedom for them to be quarantined? that's not freedom. and then there's the anger over critical -- critical race theory. stoked by peddlers of lies using it as a political weapon. terrifying parents with the provably false lie that critical race theory, which isn't even taught to children, is about hating white people. it's not. >> white children are being told, untruthfully, that all the problems in this country were their fault. the morality and values of our
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founders are slipping from our fingers. but we will not let this happen. if you believe in christ, if you believe in the constitution, and if you believe in america, do not let this country fall. >> critical race theory in fact pits black people against white people and has an end game goal of restructuring america to an authoritarian regime. >> you're teaching children to hate others because of their skin color. and you're forcing them to lie about other kids' gender. i have disgusted by your bigotry. >> and your depravity. >> shame on you! shame on you! shame on you! shame on you! >> okay. i've said this a million times. but critical race theory is not being taught in grade schools. it's not about hating white people.
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it's about studying the fact, that's right, the fact that systemic racism is part of american society and challenging the beliefs that allow it to continue to flourish. instead the peddlers of lies are using it to stoke anger. and don't kid yourself. the simmering rage is everywhere. everywhere. look, the entire two hours i'm on the air tonight i could give you example after example after example. but here's one. another, i should say. dr. fauci has gotten death threats for trying to save americans from a killer virus. anti-sem anti-semitism and anti-asian hate flourishing. >> in surveillance video you see the vicious attack unfold. a woman whom authorities have identified as a 65-year-old asian-american is pushed to the ground. her attacker kicking her in the head again and again. police say the man allegedly yelled expletives at her saying
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"you don't belong here." >> it's hard to watch. it's hard to watch. and it shouldn't happen. the probably biggest example we saw of anger exploding, and that was on january 6th. blood-thirsty rioters storming the seat of our democracy, trying to everyturn our free and fair election. lawmakers running for their lives as the rioters put up a gallows outside and chanted "hang mike pence." >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> the anger was everywhere that day. >> [ bleep ]. >> so according to a criminal complaint the fbi says a pennsylvania woman sent a video
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to her children saying, "we were looking for nancy to shoot her in the frigging brain but we didn't find her." that woman pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor last week. the anger on full display on one of the darkest days in the nation's history. bodycam footage showing one man following and taunting officers as they made their way through the mob, shoving one and punching him in the head. now, i have to tell you, we have not bleeped this language. so you can see it and you can hear it as it really happened. roll it. >> are you with america? you've got no idea what the fuck you're doing. >> get the fuck out of here.
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>> no. they work for us. fuck them. >> blue lives matter. those are our fellow americans attacking the capitol and the police defending it. and they weren't foreign terrorists. okay? fellow americans. but we all saw what they did that day with our very own eyes. and yes, i know it is hard to watch this again and again. i know it. but we can't pretend it didn't happen. and so many people are trying to sweep it under the rug, right? we can't allow it to be swept away, pretend it didn't happen. we can't forget what happened to police officers like officer michael fanone, trying to defend the united states capitol from rioters. >> at some point during the fighting i was dragged from the line of officers and into the crowd. i heard someone scream "i got
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o one!" as i was swarmed by a violent mob, they ripped off my badge. they grabbed and stripped me of my radio. they seized ammunition that was secured to my body. they began to beat me with their fists and with what felt like hard metal objects. at one point i came face to face with an attacker who repeatedly lunged for me and attempted to remove my firearm. i heard chanting from some in the crowd, "get his gun and kill him with his own gun." >> fellow americans. not foreign terrorists. domestic ones. rioters in maga hats battling police.
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it's a crying shame. the anger is still out there, everyone. it's all around us. it didn't disappear after january 6th. the lies, the misinformation. all still out there. and make no mistake, the threat is gathering again. the big lie is all about laying the groundwork for the next time. it's still out there. it's still out there. and facebook, well, it seems to have decided it's good for business. at least that's according to the whistle-blower. but what happens to america when they choose profit over public safety? >> people enjoy engaging with things that elicit an emotional reaction. and the more anger that they get exposed to the more they interact and the more they consume. from dry and stressed, to bright and smooth. so, i can feel my best in my skin. olay body. fearless in my skin.
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good evening to you. matthew, you're up first. so when you hear what this facebook whistle-blower is saying, that they're choosing profit over public safety, anger's good for business, what happens when the anger and the conspiracy theories and the misinformation are amplified on social media? what happens to our democracy? i think we kind of see it, right? >> well, we definitely see it. we saw it unfold in a tragic way on january 6th, when there was an insurrection at the capitol, which is when those two things merged. and one of the things i asked people to do today, let's keep that date in mind next january when we have a cause to remember it and what effect it had on democracy. i mean, i think facebook fundamentally, it's a fascinating thing about facebook, its original design and the original promise of facebook was two fundamental things, was it was going to allow us to connect better and it would unify people and unify communities and unify the country and bring us together. that was the one promise. the other promise, it would have an ability to share facts and
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data and information so we would get closer to the truth, so people would be more knowledgeable. in fact, it's had the opposite effect on both of those. there's less facts. people are less available to the truth. and we're more divided and more divisive. and it's used as a way to divide us instead of bring us together. and i think that's the fundamental problem with facebook, is its original design was a good thing. the way it now is done has been the opposite of those two fundamental things. >> so listen, before i get to -- i want to ask you, then what should be -- what should it be regulated? should there be some rules? should they have to abide by the same rules as legacy or traditional media? matthew. >> so don, you know, i've thought about facebook for a while and i've watched this, and its negative effect we've had on the country. and i'm going to bring up the movie "jurassic park" because i think it's equivalent about "jurassic park." and there's a line in "jurassic
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park," ian katician or whatever that's talking to hammond who runs it and he turns to him and says, "you were so preoccupied with whether or not you could you never paused to ask yourself whether or not you should." and that i think is a real problem with facebook. and it's had the same effect. they created a theme park in "jurassic park" and then people ended up being -- horrible damage, horrible destruction, horrible things that happened to it. and so the idea was oh, we're going to have this great celebration and it turned out because they never asked themselves whether or not they should or the process for it. and to me that's where we are today. facebook ought to be seriously regulated. it is a news source for a vast part of our country today. it ought to be regulated in a way that a newspaper is or cable news is and that there should be some standards set on facebook and all that because if it continues the way it continues we're going to have january 6th multiple, multiple times because people are getting lies and
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conspiracies and they're also being encouraged to do awful things. >> listen, it's facebook. that's the whistle-blower. but twitter is the same thing. you can just spread misinformation on twitter as well. and there are other social media sites that you can do it as well. mike, same question to you. what do you think? we know what the whistle-blower's saying. what do you think? >> yeah, that's right. first of all, i think that was ian malcolm, one of my favorite jeff goldblum lines. i appreciate matthew invoking that. but you know, it's interesting because i think facebook has actually called for themselves to be regulated for the past year. it's also kind of a like ploy of them knowing that regulation has to come, they've gone this long without being regulated. but i think they're one of the highest spenders of lobbying in washington as far as tech companies go. they want to try to create a type of regulation that is kind to them essentially. and there's a version of this
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where regulation might actually benefit them and maybe pull up the ladder behind them. so some of the growth tricks that facebook did on the way up, on its way to like becoming the behemoth it is, might be difficult for other start-ups to replicate and to eventually surpass facebook someday. but at the same time we live in a world where very few real digital regulations around how facebook operates, how tech companies operate, even exist and these companies move so quickly it's hard to even keep up with what should be -- what regulation should look like. >> so mike, this is what -- look, i'm sure we could all figure it out. because i'm sure people are -- there are many people out there who don't want the regulation. but i think the silent majority of people want -- would want it regulated if they knew exactly what was happening. facebook is saying, mike, the "60 minutes" interview and the research presented doesn't tell the whole story.
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and vice president of global affairs of facebook nick clegg was on with my colleague brian stelter on sunday and he offered a pre-buttal to the whistle-blower frances haugen. watch this. >> i think it would be too easy, surely, to suggest that with a tweak to an algorithm somehow all the disfiguring polarization in u.s. politics would suddenly evaporate. i think it ab sovlz people of asking themselves the harder questions about the historical, cultural, social and economic reasons that have led to the politics that we have in the u.s. today. >> so mike, listen, there are real issues out there our society needs to address. but how can facebook distance themselves when their platform according to this whistle-blower is essentially pouring gasoline on the fire? >> i mean, i think gasoline on the fire is the exact sort of metaphor i'd use. one excuse that facebook likes to cart out a lot of the time is we are a mirror to society, we don't tell people what to do, we don't sort of like -- we aren't the cause, the primary cause. but they don't really have a
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response to the idea that they're an accelerant. you and i might not like each other or might get into words if i see you on the street or something. but i'm not going to have you in my face every day of the week or whatever just because i'm on the street. facebook recognizes that -- in the past at least recognizes that when you come up in my feed i have a response, whether that's a positive or negative response, i'm responding to it a lot more. and historically it's been good for facebook when i have that response when i come back to the feed. so i think as far as them saying, you know, society has its own problems, that's absolutely correct. but as far as like how much facebook accelerates some of these different types of feuds and puts us in each other's faces even more, that's something they can't really defend against because that's the whole point of facebook, to bring us together whether we like it or not. >> but also to that analogy that you said, if you get into an argument or whatever, that argument happens on the street. it's not spread around the world
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to billions of people. >> 100%. >> right? so there should be some responsibility with that. and you don't have the possibility of that many people, you know, egging you on or calling you names or trying to goad you. i mean, again, responsibility should be there as well. but can we put this genie back in the bottle, matthew, with 2.8 billion people around the world using facebook a month? >> well, i think one of the things we have to acknowledge is a lot of people on facebook, all they're doing is sharing birthday photos or somebody had the birth of a baby or a christmas party and they want to share that. so there's a lot of people that are doing that that is beneficial, staying connected to their family and friends and all that. i think we have to put the genie back in the bottle. we've gone through times in our world history where technology, and especially in communication, has come on. we've solved problems with it. and then we've sought to regulate it or figure out we've got to alleviate the negatives and do things, public policy has
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to do things to fix the problem. so yeah, the genie is out of the bottle in that people are socially connected. but now government and leaders have to respond to it as they watch this -- the flames be fanned across the country. it's now their time. we've got a technology. we've seen it in practice. we know the problems. and now leaders have to respond to it in a way that protects americans. >> gentlemen, i could have had the conversation the entire program but we have other news, big news as well. we'll continue the conversation some other time. thank you both. i appreciate it. >> thanks, don. president biden warning about a potential catastrophic event with the economy if the debt ceiling isn't raised and he is blaming republicans for refusing to cooperate. table . fine, we'll sleep here. ♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win.
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president biden is calling out republicans who are refusing to help democrats raise the debt ceiling to avert a potential catastrophic -- economic catastrophe, i should say. >> let's be clear. not only are republicans refusing to do their job, they're threatening to use the power, their power, to prevent us from doing our job, saving the economy from a catastrophic event. i think quite frankly it's hypocritical, dangerous and disgraceful. their obstruction and irresponsibility knows absolutely no bounds. excuse me. especially as we're clawing our way out of this pandemic. >> so if the debt ceiling is not raised, it could be the first time ever that the u.s. defaults on its debts. joining me now brian fallon, the press secretary for hillary clinton in 2016 presidential campaign. brian, good evening to you. last time we were on, big breaking news.
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i hope you don't. it's monday. i could use the break. but thanks for joining us. listen, president biden is hammering the gop, calling them disgraceful for not helping to raise the debt ceiling. but based on the gop that you know, do they have any intention to take this possible economic catastrophe seriously, or would they rather see democrats fail and thusly meaning the country will fail as well? >> well, first of all, don, what joe biden is saying is absolutely correct. what the republicans are doing is risky. it's dangerous. it's completely irresponsible. mitch mcconnell is saying on the one hand that democrats should have to raise the debt ceiling by themselves, and chuck schumer and joe bide ren saying okay, we're willing to do that. will you at least not filibuster the measure so we can have a simple up or down vote? and if we had an up or down vote democrats will provide the votes to get the debt ceiling lifted. and mitch mcconnell is saying oh, no, no, i'm going to filibuster it. the obvious solution here for the democrats is to carve out a
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new exception to the filibuster rules and go nuclear for the sake of raising the debt ceiling. the question is whether the democrats are going to do that or whether they're going to get backed into a corner here by mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell is saying he wants the democrats to use this reconciliation process, the same process they're using to pass the biden build back better economic agenda, they want them to use the same process to raise the debt ceiling. chuck schumer and joe biden with don't want to do that. among other reasons, it would take a lot of time. janet yellen has said the debt ceiling needs to be lift bid october 18th. you need to hold all kinds of procedural votes to be able to do a debt ceiling increase in reconciliation. it's very risky to take up all that time on the clock. the democrats are saying we're not going to do reconciliation. mitch mcconnell is saying that's the only way i'm going to let you do this. when mitch mcconnell commits himself to something in writing i think he tends to see it through. the democrats' strategy here is to try to shame the republicans into letting them raise the debt
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ceiling. this republican party is past the point of being shamable. so i worry the democrats are either going to have to use this reconciliation process, cumbersome though it is, or else get the moxie and blixt will among their own democratic members to change the filibuster rules. >> i want to talk about the filibuster rules because senator chuck schumer is setting up a vote on the debt ceiling later this week. but yet again the filibuster is in the way even though democrats have a majority in the house and senate. are democrats letting republicans who are in the majority, who have the majority rule, because they're refusing to get rid of it ? >> yes. on issue after issue this is becoming a theme. it's the debt ceiling. it's voting rights. it's the build back better agenda. democrats are trying to find ways to pass all these measures on simple party line votes. and it's impossible under the senate rules to pass all those things they want to pass with
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just party line votes. the simple and most straightforward solution here is to just finally have joe biden meet with the democratic caucus, iron out a path to getting rid of the filibuster, at least carving out significant exceptions to it in order to take advantage of this limited time window that they have, the remaining time during this congress, where they could pass all these things on a simple majority vote if they would simply get the political will to change the filibuster rules. the republicans -- i mean mitch mcconnell with the position he's taking on the debt ceiling could not be teeing this up any better for the democrats to be able to go to the public very convincingly and say hey, look, they left us no option but to do this, take this step to change the filibuster rules. and just think of how asinine this whole conversation is, don. mitch mcconnell's position is that he will allow the democrats to raise the debt ceiling through a 50-vote process if it's through reconciliation. well, what is reconciliation? reconciliation is already a process that is an exception to the filibuster.
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congress decided several decades ago the act of passing a budget every year is too important and too critical to the work of government to have it be subject to the filibuster, we're going to carve out a special process where you can pass a budget by a 50-vote standard. so there's already an exception to the filibuster that exists for passing the budget. surely passing a debt ceiling increase and preventing a default on the u.s. economy cratering is just as important, they should have a similar exception for the debt ceiling. >> brian fallon, always a pleasure. thank you, sir. i'll see you next time. >> thanks, don. a bronze-coated bust of george floyd in new york city defaced in the middle of the day. and it's not the first time the artist's sculpture has been vandalized. want your clothes to smell freshly washed all day without heavy perfumes? now they can! with downy light in-wash scent beads. it has long-lasting light scent, no heavy perfumes, and no dyes.
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skateboard, splashing paint on a statue of george floyd in broad daylight. okay? vandalism taking place just days after the statue, the sculpture i should say, along with depictions of late congressman john lewis and breonna taylor, made their debuts in new york city's union square. so joining me now, cnn political analyst and "new york times" political reporter sted herndon. and chris karabuchi. he is the artist behind those sculptures. chris, so glad to have you on. sted, thank you. you're always on. this is the first time a george floyd artwork of yours has been vandalized. are you surprised how brazen this was, though? >> no, i'm not completely shocked. i guess i'm somewhat surprised that it occurred in daylight. but i'm not completely shocked. listen, i know that there's a diversity of opinion on george floyd. and i just think there are better ways to express oneself
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than to damage an object which is of course -- it has meaning beyond its physical state. but it's an object. and defacing it doesn't damage the message or the meaning. in fact, in this case it amplified its message. gave definition to its meaning. >> agreed. i knew when we talked about it and i first read about it and it was erected i said wait, rets see how long before this is vandalized. and sure enough, it happened really quickly. >> i thought maybe a few more days. >> well, as you say, though, i think it amplifies and shows the significance of the artwork. you know, it has been a year since tens of thousands of americans came out to protest police violence. are acts like this a sign of just how far we need to go, chris? >> absolutely. i mean, it's a perfect illustration. but what's also remarkable about yesterday is when it did happen -- of course i was -- i had to do a double take because
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it happened before. you know, i walked that road before. but i called up confront art, which is the curator of the exhibit, and andrew cohen and lindsay eshelman got right on the ball. they got their supplies and tools, went up to the site. and all of the sudden all these people came out and wanted to help and it became this spontaneous show of unity and community. and you know, they all just were there for several hours working to achieve a common goal. and they did a beautiful job. and the sculpture is now back in its pristine original condition. and i thought that was quite fitting, frankly. >> let's talk a little more about this because you have said -- that's sort of what happened, what you want. you said that you want these sculptures to lead to civil discourse. what are you hoping that these busts inspire in people who see them? >> we're all going to have our
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own individual reaction. right? art is a tool for introspection. it's sort of a self-check tool. when we look at a work of art, we look within ourselves and find meaning. it's a deeply unique and personal experience. but art, especially with this type of exhibit, also offers an environment for as you said civil discourse, where we can discuss our differences and hear each other out and maybe get to an understanding of each other's perspective. and i think that's the important thing. i'm not imposing my opinions or my thoughts on anyone. i'm simply creating a venue for type of discourse. and i think that's at least a good start. >> asted, i want to bring you in now because you have some reporting about the new york city -- the new york city fire department, or the new york fire department. but first let me get your reaction to this and then we'll
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talk about that. >> yeah. i mean, i immediately thought about the sign down in mississippi about emmett till which has been consistently defaced. i think that does speak to what we are up against in terms of those who do not want to see those expressions of black humanity, of black folks being their full selves and what george floyd has come to represent which was that national call for racial justice, in the same way that sculpture represents those side, the defacing represents a community that does not want to see that, and that has been consistent throughout i think the history of this country. so i think it's a great point to mention the unity and community that came from it but all sides here are represented. the power of that sculpture but also those who do not want to see that power expressed and that is purely what those protests were about last summer. >> thank you for that. let's get to your reporting now
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and the "new york times," that the new york city fire department suspended nine firefighters for sharing racist memes and jokes about george floyd's death. what types of things were they saying? >> you know, it truly was shocking. we had memes that talked -- that gloated about how police could legally shoot black children. you had memes that showed george floyd's final dying moments, that made fun of those moments. you had a discussion in that group chat that discussed whether firefighters should use hoses against protesters and someone responded saying, well, wild animals like water. this was really the most explicit form of racism and bigotry that you can really talk about. and while that represents a minority of officers in that department, what our reporting showed was that it spoke to a larger issue. you both had this department that has been so overwhelmingly white and male for so many years, have drift resisted recruiting black and brown firefighters to diversify and that has saepd within the culture. so much so, it was written in
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the handbooks. our reporting showed that in the management and supervisor training manuals for the fdny it had written down that team building would suffer or be challenged when new members, minorities or women, came into the department. that's the definition of systemic racism. that's actually written into the rulebook. and that has seeped into the culture. it's true for those text messages and it's true for those experiences that we had talked about with those firefighters who are coming up against an engrained culture of whiteness and of bigotry. >> yeah. the fdny said this was some of the biggest disciplinary action that they have ever taken. astead, chris, thank you so much. i appreciate both of you joining us. and keep up the great work. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. tonight the texas state board of pardons and paroles voting to recommend a full posthumous pardon to george floyd for his 2004 drug conviction. floyd had lived in houston and the district attorney of harris county hails the board's
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