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as well as the infrastructure piece, are things that i wrote. these didn't come from, god love him, bernie sanders, aoc, or anybody else. i wrote them. i disagreed with medicare for all, for example. i disagreed with -- but i laid out what i thought would be important. for example, i think in the build back better program, it's required that we, in fact, have the best education available to -- i'll be speaking to this in detail tomorrow. look, here's the situation, how can we in an ever-competitive world, increasingly competitive world, how can we not meet the educational standards at least other countries are working toward? nobody is reducing the number of years they want their children to go to school, people to go to school. you heard me say it before, as my wife says.
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if we don't -- if any country out-educates us, they'll out-compete us. look what china is doing. look what the rest of the world is doing. they're investing. they're also investing in thing that relate to ability for people to go to work and stay at work. you have several million women who can't go back to work because they don't have any way to take care of their children. so to give a tax cut to a working mom to be able to afford day care, is that bad? is that a bad idea? i think it is a darn good idea. it'll get people back to work. there's a lot of things in the legislation i'll be talking about across the country that i think the american people overwhelmingly support. but the idea that, somehow, this is somebody else's legislation, this is what i wrote. >> sir, do you 22 -- $2 trillion reconciliation bill? would that be acceptable to you? >> again, as you know, it's not a smart thing to negotiate with yourself in public.
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we're in the process of talking to all the parties. we'll see what we can get done. >> mr. president, two questions. first, there was progress in the negotiation you said, but today you said you only had not all the party votes. in international news that was big yesterday was the par dora p -- pandora papers. do you have any -- >> i'm sorry, i didn't get the last part. >> pandora papers. you said you'd fight against corruption in your national security policy. what is your reaction, and do you plan to do anything about it? >> we're looking at that right now. the first part of your question was what? >> about progress, what does progress look like for you in the negotiations? >> winning. the last question. >> you -- i just want to be very
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clear. can you guarantee that the u.s. will not reach the debt ceiling, that that will not happen? >> no, i can't. that's up to mitch mcconnell. >> so it's possible the u.s. will not pay its debt? >> i can't believe that will be the end result because the consequence is so dire. i don't believe that. but can i guarantee it? if i could, i would, but i can't. thank you, all, very much. appreciate it. >> senator manschin says the del is off -- where do you stand on that, sir? >> president joe biden at the white house talking initially about the debt ceiling and about how crucial he says it is for america not to renege on its debts. this is dana bash. i'm in washington in for john king. thank you for joining me for "inside politics." you have been listening to a lengthy -- what turned into a press conference.
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the president also talked about the very real, very live negotiation that continues over his agenda, both on traditional infrastructure and on the social safety net. we're going to get to that in a moment. first, i want to go to kaitlin collins at the white house to talk about the whole reason for that event, which is the debt ceiling. he used words like hypocritical, dangerous, and disgraceful to describe the republicans. had a lot of metaphors in there. said they're playing russian roulette, and then talked broadly about the debt ceiling coming like a meteor headed to crash into our economy. >> reporter: yeah. those comments there at the end were probably the most notable. he was asked if he could guarantee that date two weeks from now, where the treasury secretary has warned there will be catastrophic consequences if the u.s. does reach its debt limit on october the 18th. he says he can't guarantee that that won't happen. it's up to mitch mcconnell. as part of the broader speech, he was putting all of this on
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republicans, saying it is up to them to participate in the process, or at least not stand in the way, so they can vote to raise or suspend the debt limit. this is incredibly notable, where the president was discussing about this. because one path they have discussed pursuing, and the thing that mitch mcconnell said and he said in a letter to president biden, which he said he got a few moments before he came out here today, and will be talking to mcconnell, saying that democrats need to use reconciliation process to raise the debt limit. that, of course, is the process they are going to be using. it is democrats only to try to get that bigger package we have been talking about. that bigger package on the social policy and climate change bill to get that passed with just democratic support. mitch mb cocconnell and republi said they need to use that also to raise the debt limit. the president didn't rule it out but said it'd be complicate and had a cumbersome process. it is one they need to start very soon in order to avoid that fiscal cliff, the october 18th date actually coming to
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fruition. he didn't rule it out, but he seemed to say it is not something that the white house wants to see happen. incredibly notable also is what he was talking about, not just when it comes to the debt limit, but his broader domestic agenda. saying that he has 48 votes in the senate. two people are standing in the way. of course, without naming them, we know exactly who they are. senator joe manchin and senator kir kyrsten sinema, who the white house was deeply involved in the negotiations with last week over what the path forward on this going to look like. he has 98% of the party, but he is missing those two votes in the senate. one other notable aspect of that entire back and forth with reporters, dana, was where he was asked about the tactics that you've seen activists using over the last several days. kayaking up to joe manchin's houseboat he lives on in washington. following senator sinema into the bathroom. he said it is inappropriate tactics, but it is part of being a politician in his view. >> kaitlan, thank you for the recap. i appreciate it.
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i want to go around the table here in the studio, and we have people who can actually turn what we just heard into english, much the way kaitlan did. i have ava, national political reporter. ryan noble, correspondent. and jackie, washington bureau chief at the "daily beast." ryan, you spend your time running around capitol hill. one of the things, actually, several of the things the president said about the debt ceiling and that date, that cliff, is october 18th. a couple of weeks. it is really important to underscore. this is about paying the debt already incurred. republicans are -- their tactic, their strategy is to try to lump it all together and say, no, this is about all the big, big numbers we're hearing about. 1.4, which is the bipartisan bill, $3 trillion for the social safety net, $2 trillion, they're giant numbers. republicans are saying, okay, we're not going to do this, but suggesting it is because of that spending. the reality is the spending that
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occurred previously, a lot of these republicans supported, especially during the trump administration. that's what raising the debt ceiling is to help pay for. >> exactly right. furthermore, there is a mechanism for them to pass this on the floor of the senate without a single republican vote, without going through this process of a super majority. they could just allow the bill to come to the floor, but republicans instead are using this as -- using a political posture here to force democrats into a position to try to make this all on their backs. if mitch mcconnell said, you can vote on it. they could pass it. not a single republican would have to vote for it, and the problem would be solved. instead, they're making them go through the reconciliation process which is more complicated. you only get so many cracks at the reconciliation process. they definitely want to use it one time to pass through the biden agenda. secondly, there is a timing issue. can they get it all done in that short period of time they have
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before the deadline. the other, which might be the biggest reason chuck schumer is reluctant to do this, you have to go through vote-a-rama, allowing republicans to bring a series of amendments to the floor that forces democrats to take tough votes on issues that could turn into political issues. >> slows it down. >> the parliamentarian ruled this week -- not to get into the woods. >> we're already there. keep going. >> if they do a reconciliation piece focused on the debt kr cei ceiling, it'd limit the am amendments that could be brought to the floor. they prefer mitch mcconnell take his foot off the situation, say let it come to the floor, vote on it, and move on. >> for people who might have missed the beginning of the president's remarks, i want to play what he said specifically about the republican approach to obstruct on raising the debt ceiling. >> let's be clear. not only are republicans refusing to do their job.
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they're threatening to abuse their power, our power, to keep us from doing our job. saving the country a disastrous event. it is hypocritical. a meteor is headed to crash into our economy. >> jackie, the mcconnell strategy/argument is? >> that democrats can do this on their own. but i think when you cut through it, as ryan said, they're trying to slow this down. they're trying to make this as painful, politically painful as humanly possible. >> are they open to that criticism? >> it is hypocritical? i don't think mitch mcconnell has blinked at being called hypocritical ever. i direct you to justice amy coney barrett. >> and other issues. >> i don't think he minds. sticks and stones, you know, but he still is in control of the situation. but, yeah, i think this does
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boil down to politics. that's it. they're just trying to slow this down and make it so it is harder for democrats to pass the agenda that biden has everything, everything riding on. >> eva, i want to switch to the other topic, which is a big one, which is his agenda. nothing short of that. such a telling moment when he was asked about whether or not -- the fact he's being really tough on two senators, kyrsten sinema and joe manchin. listen to his answer. >> i need 50 votes in the senate. i have 48. >> well, there it is. he doesn't want to isolate them because he knows that he needs them. at the same time, i think we hear that frustration. i will say in the weeks ahead, moderates are going to face the tougher messaging battle, right? in the coming weeks, we're going to learn what's going to come out of this reconciliation
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package. if it is not $3.5 trillion, it is going to be under that. so what comes out? is it home health care? is it -- >> exactly. >> -- dental and vision benefits for seniors? now moderates have to make that argument. so we are going to see this continue to play out in the weeks ahead and probably a lot more of this from president biden. he is walking a tight rope, not trying to offend any part of his caucus. >> it's true. i thought another really telling part of that press conference was about the fact that all of the policies that he wants, the new policies, the new new deal that effectively he wants in place, they're his policies. god love him, not bernie sanders. they are his policies. things like paid family leave. things like making the child tax credit permanent. and others that, you know, used to be considered quote, unquote, progressive ideas. they are the full makeup of the biden agenda.
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he said, i wrote them. >> that's why progressives were so frustrated this week. i talked to khana on thursday, right before the first deadline eclipsed. he emphatically said, we aren't the ones holding up the biden agenda. we are the ones carrying out the biden agenda. so the idea that somehow the moderates had flipped the script to make it seem that passing the bipartisan infrastructure bill before the reconciliation package was done was somehow part of the biden playbook just wasn't true. i think progressives won that argument. i do think the way the white house behaved in terms of their lobbying shows that biden wants both pieces, not just one. >> really quick, he said it is not bernie sanders' agenda. he is taking a bernie sanders tactic, talking about what is in the bill rather than the numbers, which has been a mistake going up to this from the perspective of democrats. >> absolutely right. the question is, what are they going to do? jayapal told me yesterday they're maybe talking about scaling back all the policies.
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>> i've seen a bunch of social networks, and it was substantially worse at facebook than anything i'd seen before. facebook over and over again chose to optimize for its own interests, like making more money. >> facebook is pushing back against haugen's accusation that helped fuel the insurrection, writing in part, every day, our teams have to balance protecting the ability of billions of people to express themselves openly with the need to keep our platform a safe and positive place. we continue to make significant improvements to tackle the spread of misinformation and harmful content. to suggest we encourage bad content and do nothing is not true. haugen is scheduled to testify before a senate subcommittee tomorrow. let's bring in cnn's donee o'sullivan. i think i got her name right, frances haugen. i don't want to mess that up. on her, one of the questions i have, and really looking forward to you since you know more about
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this than really anybody i know, we've heard accusations and reports about facebook prioritizing profits over truth before. how is this different? >> yeah. i mean, i think there's almost fatigue on facebook scandals now, back to the years of russian trolls, cambridge analytica, all the breaches. two things are different. one, this is coming from the horse's mouth. she was at the company until may of this year. also, she is using the company's own internal research. the company's own documentation. essentially to call the company out. it's putting facebook in a very difficult situation, where they're trying to discredit, downplay, or as they play, that this research is being taken out of context. >> they do, which i want to ask you about in a second. let's listen to what she says, linking the capitol riot to facebook and letting its guard down after the november election.
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>> they told us, we're dissolving civic integrity. they basically said, oh, good, we made it through the election. there wasn't riots. we can get rid of civic inte integrity. couple months forward, we got the insurrection. when they got rid of civic integrity, it was the moment where i was like, i don't trust that they're willing to invest what needs to be invested to keep facebook from being dangerous. as soon as the election was over, they turned them back off or changed the settings back to what they were before, to prioritize growth over safety. that feels like a betrayal of democracy to me. >> that's a huge accusation. >> yeah. i mean, look, that is one thing we're trying to clear up here with facebook. facebook is saying that the team she was on, that she says was dissolved, it was actually integrated into another team. facebook is trying to quash that. what we're still trying to get clear answers on is facebook did have guardrails in place in the lead up to last november's election. whether they dropped and what
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guardrails they dropped in terms of the spreading of misinformation between the election and the insurrection, that is something we need clarity on. that is something hopefully we learn more about tomorrow when she testifies. >> facebook, as you eluded to, is saying the responsibility of violence on january 6th lies with the people who inflicted the violence and not us. so on and so forth. the other argument they're making is these documents she took, thousands and thousands of documents that she copied before she left, are taken out of context. the studies and surveys, even the ones that say instagram, which is a part of facebook, plays on the fears and the psychological realities of teenage girls. even that, they say, is taken out of context. >> yeah. i mean, i think that last point you made, on the teenagers, particularly the effects, mental health effects on young girls particularly, i mean, i think that is what hits different about this scandal more so than the political or data scandals
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we've seen in the past when it comes to facebook. this, unfortunately, is a very, very relatable story for many young people, for many families across america who know somebody in their life whose use of platforms like this have contributed to the detriment of their mental health. >> such an important point. i know i have a lot of friends with teenage daughters, and instagram is a scary place for them because of this, what it does to their mental health. it happens across society. donie, thank you so much. appreciate it. we'll be looking for your coverage of this hearing tomorrow. new cdc guidance about celebrating the holidays. we'll talk to the former fda commissioner about that and more on how long covid will actually last. stay with us. who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate
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the cdc just released new recommendations on how to celebrate the holidays safely. guidelines say delay travel until you're fully vaccinated and that the safest way to celebrate is virtually with people who live with you or get together outside 6 feet apart. joining me now is dr. scott gottlieb, former fda commissioner and author of "uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic."
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thank you so much for joining me, dr. gottlieb. i want to talk about the book in a minute. but about those cdc guidelines, americans have been dealing with this pandemic now, as everybody knows, for more than 19 months. i want you to listen to what dr. fauci told my colleague, kate bol bolduan, last hour. >> the best way to assure that we'll be in good shape as we get into the winter would be to get more and more people vaccinated. i will be spending christmas with my family. i encourage people, particularly the vaccinated people who are protected, to have a good, normal christmas with your family. >> saying he was misinterpreted, suggesting maybe it was too soon to say whether people could get together for the holidays. broadly speaking, you know what the cdc is saying. do you think these holiday guidelines are realistic? what will you be doing for the holidays? >> well, look, there's some
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things in the guidelines that is good, practical, common sense people can adopt to try to improve their safety in the setting. the bottom line is people will want to get together for th thanksgiving and christmas. i'll be getting together with my family. you have to judge your circumstance. what the prevalence is in your community and what is the setting you're pulling people together? do you have young kids who are unvaccinated who may be asymptomatic and you have older people in the setting who are at risk of covid if they contract it? you could use testing in that scenario. test people before they enter a setting where they'll be getting together to reduce the chances of symptomatic or asymptomatic infection. we have better tools to reduce risk, including vaccination. making sure as many people as possible are vaccinated. the cdc recommendations about trying to do things outdoors versus indoors when possible, improve air ventilation, it is all good advice. telling people not to get together, though, is impractical. we need to tell people how to do it safely. >> you mentioned testing.
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how testing would help with celebrations. you write about the importance of testing in your book. what do you think at this stage of the pandemic about the testing situation? they're easier to come by. production, though, is not that robust. >> yeah. look, there's not a lot of the tests people prefer, where you can do it at home. simple to use. you get a result within 15 minutes. there are certain tests that are available in the pharmacies. they're a little more complicated to use. consumers don't prefer them. the test consumers prefer are the tests that are in shortage right now. i think there's more we can do to ramp up production. there's also more the government can do to subsidize the availability of these tests to people who are priced out of the market. a box of two is $25. it's a lot if people want to use the test in a serial fashion to test regularly. in places like the uk, they're providing the tests free to
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consumers. we can do more to help people get access to them. >> let's talk about the state of the pandemic right now. hospitalization and deaths are dec declining. that is good news. last year at this time, we saw a surge in new cases heading into the winter. but given what we're seeing now, given the reality of the vaccines and so forth, could this possibly be the beginning of the end of this pandemic? >> well, i believe that this delta surge is going to be the last major surge of infection that we see, barring something unexpected where you get a new variant that comes off of previous infection. it'll more likely be the case any other variants will be versions of this delta variant, which is a different lineage. there are 20 subtypes of delta right now. on the back end of the surge, we should see a decline. you'll have a population with a
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high level of imnumunity throug vaccination or prior infection. delta isn't done with us. cases are coming down sharply in the case. that's creating the illusion things are improving nationally. you see dense outbreaks now in the west, midwest. alaska, west virginia. it's a big question mark whether the northeast is impervious to a delta surge because of high rates of evacvaccination and previous infection, or will we have a wave of our own? hopefully by thanksgiving we're on the back end of this. pref prevalence should decline. >> children ages 5 to 11 could be able to get a pfizer vaccine relatively soon. maybe in about a month or so depending on what the fda does. having said that, one-third of parents say they will get their child vaccinated right away. another third says they want to wait and see. the last third says that they are less likely to get their child vaccinated. what is your message to the two-thirds of parents who say right now they're not going to get their child vaccinated, at least when it is available?
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>> right. you're right on the timing. october 26th the fda meets to discuss the application for pfizer, ages 5 to 11. i'm on the board of pfizer. you could see an authorization shortly after that. the agency feels the data affirms the safety and efficacy of the vaccine. cdc would presumably meet quickly to give confide lines on who should receive it. a lot of people are reluctant because there is a perception the vaccines were developed very quickly. we came up with the constructs quickly, but there is nothing shortcut about the development programs. these were the largest clinical outcome study in modern times. the only one i remember larger in clinical trials was the roto, enrolling 60,000 patients. pfizer and moderna enrolled about 90,000 patients. we have a situation where we've distribute d 300 million doses n the u.s. of the vaccines. 6 billion globally of different vaccines. we have a year and a half of
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data. the daytaset we have on the safety and efficacy of the vaccines is enormous. it has been data carried out over a long period of time. people who feel these are novel and we don't have a lot of data to inform decisions, we actually have good data sets to inform our judgments about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines. >> important context. thank you so much for that. dr. scott gottlieb, your book is right here. the book is called "uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." thank you so much for joining me. >> thanks a lot. coming up, donald trump laying the groundwork for 2024. the former president reportedly asked advisers when he should announce his candidacy. we'll have details next. age before beauty? why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond. it's your home. and there's no place like wayfair
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new reporting on donald trump's future presidential ambitions. three sources tell the "washington post" that trump asked advisers whether he should announce his 2024 bid for the white house after the chaotic exit in afghanistan, and those advisers, quote, urged patience. that's the quote. patience. behind the scenes, there's concern that democrats could benefit during the 2022 midterms if trump decides to jump into the presidential race before that. our panel is back to discuss. jackie, if he listens to the advisers, which is a big if,
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just politically and strategically speaking, they have a good point. >> well, right. because running against donald trump is very much a playbook that has worked for some democrats in the past, not all democrats. i guess we're going to see what happens in virginia to see if that attack still works during the governors race. certainly, when democrats have someone to run against that's not someone like a mitch mcconnell, that can make a really big difference if former president trump has his hat in the ring at that point. >> ultimate foil. >> right. >> you're walking around the hill every day. he doesn't need to announce at all to have a hold on the party. >> no. no doubt about that. i think the other question is, does donald trump care whether or not getting in early impacts the midterms? he talks good game about wanting republican majorities in the house and senate. ultimately, his political career has taught us he is out for one person, and that's himself. but, you know, i think the house is the most interesting battleground for this. that's where they view their
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best opportunity to retake the congress. if you have some of these marginal districts and you have a trump presidential campaign looming over that, not just a fictional campaign or perhaps a campaign in waiting, that's another thing these candidates are going to have to answer fo. as you mentioned, in virginia, any time young kin is in front f any reporter, the question is, where are you with donald trump? a full, official campaign complicates that for sure, but there is no doubt it motivates a certain part of his base that is not engaged in the political process unless he, himself , isa part of it, good and bad. >> eva, you've been doing digging on the fight the former president is raging through his lawyers to get back on twitter. >> yeah. >> it is a part of that. as you answer, i want to read so viewers see what the argument his lawyers made. by deplatforming the presumptive head and the most popular member of the republican party, twitter is threatening irreparable
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damage to the republican party's prospects in the 2022 and 2024 elections. you said the truth, what he cares about, ryan, but this is a legal argument. >> we're seeing a desperation from the former president to get back on twitter. he sees this as a way to speak directly to his supporters, and he feels, you know, really robbed of this platform. we've seen him have starts and stops with other ways. failed effort, i think, on a blog. that is why he is fighting so hard to get back on twitter. he sees it as directly tied to his political aspirations and a return ticket to the white house. >> crazy when you think he has ginn this noise to starting his own platform, claiming he can start a social media tidal wave if he decides to get into something. in reality, he understands that twitter, in large part, made him who he is. >> i can tell you, the vulnerable republicans confronted by people on the hill saying, hey, what do you think
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of this tweet, and reading it to them, they do not. >> certainly do not. >> i was thinking that as i was reading the legal statement. it is a detriment to the republican party. even those who love him probably say, no, i don't think so. let's listen to stephanie grisham, the president's former press secretary who never held a press conference. she mostly had her job at the white house with the first lady, then melania trump. listen to what she said this morning. >> once he takes office, if he were to win, he doesn't have to worry about re-election anymore. he will be about revenge. he will probably have some pretty draconian policies that will go on. there were conversations that people will say, that'll be the second term. that will be the second term. meaning, we won't have to worry about a re-election. >> i mean, the book is called "i'll take your questions now," and she didn't take questions from reporters. i don't know really what to make
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of this. it seems like a rehabilitation tour. she has aspirations to do something outside of president trump and trump world, and doesn't see her career as tied to his. so that is why she -- you know, we're getting this from her now. where was she? why didn't she speak up at a time when it could have really mattered? >> probably wants to make some money, right? we see a lot of these former trump officials trying to cash out from their time in the trump white house. i think this is probably another example. >> yeah. having said all that, point taken, what she says about the fact that you thought it was -- you thought trump -- the first trump term was wild, just wait for trump 2.0. because i was in these conversations about all the things they wanted to do in the second term when he didn't have to face voters again. you know, we'll see. that'll be an ad. >> exactly. exactly. >> everybody, stand by. this morning, the supreme court kicked off a blockbuster term. we're going to bring you up to speed on what's happening. >> tech: when you get a chip in your windshield... trust safelite.
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today, the supreme court is kicking off a very consequential new term. it's also the first time the justices are back inside the courtroom, hearing argue ments person, in more than a year, of course, because of the pandemic. justice brett kavanaugh is participating remotely because he tested positive for covid
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late last week. on the docket this fall are some of the most divisive issues in america. including abortion, gun rights, and religious liberty. cnn's supreme court reporter arianne is joining us. clarence thomas, famously reluctant to ask questions, he didn't do so morefor many, many terms, asked the first question. what is the significance? >> it tells you so much. for years and years we covered the court, he rarely asked any questions. today, he was first out of the gate in two cases, both under the radar. but in many ways, this is now his court, and it is also his term because of these big cases we're going to be hearing. these are seeds that he has planted for years and years. now, he's in the majority. what's interesting also on the bench, justice kavanaugh wasn't there. last week he got diagnosed with covid.
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he called in. justice barrett was there for the first time in her own seat. justice sotomayor was there, the only one wearing a mask. she has a pre-existing condition so she is very careful with her diabetes. the backdrop of this term is unbelievable. we have never seen the public confidence at an all time low, and the country is still reeling in so many ways from that texas abortion order that basically allotted that texas law to go into effect, making roe v. wade a dead letter in the second biggest state. so now we're looking at this new term, like you said, we've got this religious liberty case. we have a big second amendment case. of course, most important, we've got this abortion case. this case out of mississippi. it's a 15-week ban. it's the most important case the court has heard in 30 years on abortion. it's a direct challenge to roe v. wade. >> yeah. i'm glad you brought that up. you also mentioned public opinion at an all time low.
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let's talk about public pp opin when it comes to the number one issue they'll be dealing with on the court this term, which is abortion. cnn did a poll of polls. fewer than one-third of americans want to see roe v. wade overturned. that is according to, again, the poll of polls. jackie, ariane said something important, that this is clarence thomas' term. for 30 years, the seeds that conservatives planted are now bearing fruit. that is true on all of these issues. the most important is abortion, which is why the mississippi case is even an issue. they intentionally put it through the courts to make it to the pipeline to the supreme court. >> you're seeing democrats seize on this as a potential 2022 issue. democrats have never been very good about making the supreme court an issue. it is not something that makes democratic voters march to the polls.
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but abortion and abortion rights certainly is. i think you're going to see more and more, particularly as we watch this play out, democrats start talking about that in their home states and in these marginal races. >> eva, one of the reasons politicians do actually talk about things is old-fashioned grassroots energy. we saw that over the weekend. we saw women marches all over the country. women on this specific issue. they chose this weekend because of the term at the supreme court starting today. how much politically will, not just democrats, but even some -- the few moderate republicans left listen to that? >> absolutely. abortion is an issue that galvanizes folks on both sides of that issue. it's not something the justices seem to really enjoy. they've spent a lot of time saying that, you know, we
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weren't political enemies. this is judicial philosophy. i understand they're making that argument, out of concern for the legacy for themselves and the court. but that is a hard argument to make when, particularly for the most marginalized groups in this country, there is a real impact on the decisions that they make. they don't just view it as a judicial philosophy but as a matter of life and death for many of these issues that they will be ruling on this term. >> yeah. and i think, too, what this law in texas has done, and then subsequently this debate in the supreme court, is it's forced republicans to be more than a tag line to say they're pro life. they're having forced to answer very specific questions about the application of a ban on abortion. and what also it means about the broader impact on women's health care, which is why you're finding it a difficult campaign. >> such an important point. thank you all for your reporting and insights. thank you for joining "inside politics." boris sanchez picks up our coverage right after a quick break.
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