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game-changer. but experts say that vaiccines are still the way out of the pandemic. my body, my choice. hundreds of rallies across the country as protesters make a stand for reproductive rights. and instagram under fire, two high-profile influencers reveal their social media struggles. i'm pamela brown in washington. you are in the cnn "newsroom" and it is great to have you along with us on this saturday evening. an on this saturday night in the nation's capitol, the house is not in order. various democrats blaming one another for the collapse of an infrastructure deal this week. infrastructure week yet again. it continues. speaker pelosi wants it to be done by halloween but her previous deadline came and went just like kids going trick-or-treating and tonight democrats are back home empty handed. house progressives and moderates
no closer to an agreement because they don't have a deal on the social safety net bill. the question now will they find a way to come together to pass the biden economic agenda. every american would be impacted one way or the other whether they would get help or pay for it. the biden legacy will be written in large part by what happens next. and we're hearing from president biden and other key democrat this is weekend. arlette saenz spoke to the president today. but let's begin with joe johns on capitol hill. so we haven't seen much comment from moderate democrat senator kyrsten sinema in recent days until now. and she's not happy. >> that is for sure. and this significant of this, pamela, is that it gives you a sense of the tension up on capitol hill at this point. it is not just democrats and republicans bickering which is something that happens all of the time. in this case, it is a moderate democratic senator slamming progressive democrats in the
house of representatives including the leadership for nixing a vote on president biden's infrastructure bill. kyrsten sinema was one of the people who helped negotiate and put that bill together. and she put out this very harshly-worded statement aimed squarely at people of her own party. it reads inexcusable, deeply disappointing over the course of the year democratic leaders have been conflicting promises that could not all be kept and at times have pretended the difference in our own party did not exist. so she definitely is not happy with the battle here, but it is really about the price tag as well as the priorities on that big spending bill that progressive democrats want to prop up the safety net, $3.5 trillion. moderates say it is just too big and they're trying to pair it down. the house speaker nancy pelosi said the infrastructure bill,
again president biden's priority, has to be voted on by the end of the month which, as you said, sort of sets up the possibility of a lhalloween showdown. >> all right. and arlette saenz, to you. you asked the president a question today and he seemed to still think it is all going to get done. what is his thinking? >> reporter: well, pamela, president biden expressed some cautious optimism that his priorities will get through congress. but he also acknowledged some of the frustration within his own party as moderates and progressives still remain at a standoff. the president declined to put a time frame for when he wants to see the two measures past, unlike nancy pelosi, but the president said that whether it is six days, six weeks or six months, that these items will be through congress. but take a listen to how the president currently assessed things within the democratic
party as he spoke to reporters earlier today. >> everybody is frustrated. it is part of being in government. being frustrated. look, one of the things i love about you guys, i watch you today, biden vowed he's going to do this and biden commits, biden is going to work like hell to make sure we get these passed. >> reporter: now the president is speak spending the weekend at his home in wilmington, delaware, trying to bring the two sides together on these measures and i asked the president whether he's been surprised and how difficult it is to bring moderates and progressives in a agreement and he told me they would be in the an agreement if they have two more votes that is reference to kyrsten sinema and joe manchin. those two senators have been at the heart of these negotiations with leaders up on capitol hill as well as here at the white house as they are trying to bring those two moderates on
board. but the white house certainly and democratic leaders have a heavy lift ahead as they're trying to get those democratic agenda items passed for this president. >> to say the least. arlette saenz, joe johnsons, thank you both. and i want to bring in congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan. the deputy whip of the congressional caucus. will good to see you. first off, you told me sunday it was going to be the week from hell. was it even worse than you expected? >> no, it is good to see you. it is good to be with you on this saturday night. it was the week that i thought it might be. but i actually think, while everybody else is running around doom and gloom, i think what finally happened at the end of the week is it became clear exactly what the president wants, we know where we stand with the reality of two senators that are going to keeping things and are only going to agree to certain things, though we have
to keep them at the table and keep working with them. but i do think that what you miss is that democrats are unified that failure is not an option. and it is not. we have to deliver for the american people. i suspected we were going to see the kind of -- whatever the creativity of something last week. but i ended up, this is what legislating is. people are talking to each other. they were exchanging ideas and you know where people stood and for too long last week people weren't sure where was the bottom line, what did the president want and what would we be able to get done. >> is that problematic that it took until now to understand what the president really wanted and some of the key questions answered? i mean why wasn't it earlier that you had that? >> i think the president was focused on two senators. he talked to the house. he talked to the full house this week. i think it is good that people have gone home, are getting some
rest. it was a very intense week. and i don't think that the speaker is laying out this deadline. the fact of the matter is we extended service transportation through the end of october and when that expires there are a lot of programs and people from the state that will have to get dealt with. so i think we all know what we have to get done now we are united on failure is not an option to get it done. >> so you say failure isn't an option. congresswoman, it is not just senator sinema coming out with a statement saying that she's unhappy. i want to read part of josh gottheimer's statement. it is regrettable that nancy pelosi breached and we cannot let the faction on the far left would employ freedom caucus tactics destroy the president's agenda. this is the democratic co-chair, a bipartisan group ripping the speaker and comparing your
tackics with those of hard-line conservatives. how do you expect to get with a deal with this kind of in fighting in your party. >> i'm a member of the problem solvers caucus. there are several of us that belong to -- >> you are. and also in the progressive caucus. >> that is correct. so i work with everybody. and i talk to everybody. >> you do. >> and listen to the end of what josh said. which is we cannot let this hurt the president's program. we have not been this close to everybody in this country agrees we have to fix our roads and our bridges and infrastructure and get lead out of pipe and get internet into rural areas and urban areas. now everybody needs to take a deep breath, everybody is tired, there is a lot, not as much straight mutation as needed to be last week. we've had this week of communication and now let's get back to trying to figure this out and getting to what we could get an agreement with. which, by the way, is an
incredible amount of resources going into things that this country needs. and people want to see us deliver on. >> so here is the reality, though. and we heard congressman jayapal say that -- that she understands they'll have to go down on the $3.5 trillion number and the question is what. and it raises a number of sacrifices that democrats are going to look at to decide on what are they going to do, make cuts to homelessness and childcare. what programs would you pull back on first? >> first of all, we're not going to negotiate in a -- >> i know you don't want to negotiate on air. >> we're not going to. everybody has got to realize that we have to come to the table, look at what -- and the program -- the president was very clear on friday. don't give me numbers or talk about dollars. tell me what programs matter the most. what do your constituents care
about. this is going to be approached by, i know, the house democrats, what are the programs that we have to get done now and it is been made clear by everybody that we could go back and look for, if there is more issues that have to be addressed, i don't think anybody has made the decision about how much is going to be in there or the length of period if anything is going to be. it is what do we need to do. what do people need to get us to deliver. child care is one issue that everybody knows it is critical. 300 million women have left the work force for the simple fact of childcare and elderly care. we have a lot of problems we have to address. >> so just really quickly, i know you don't want to negotiate on air. but we've heard -- >> i won't. >> but let me just ask you this. because congresswoman chew said to me, we just lost her. i was going to ask her about --
oh, she's back. okay. having some technical difficulties, let me get right to it. congresswoman chu said that she would open do maybe limiting the time line for the financing for some of the categories like instead of ten years of financing perhaps limiting it to five. is that something that you would be open to? >> i think everything is on the table. i think we're going to have to look at how we deliver and what are the programs that the american people need right now at this time in our history. that is what the discussion is going to be. it is program based and we need to -- like there was way too much speculation and too much of everybody against each other which is one of the reasons i called it the week from hell. i knew what it was going to be like and right now we have to figure out because we do know failure is not an option. we have to deliver to the american people. >> by the way, that line really got some pick up when you said it on my show last sunday. you did call it.
congresswoman debbie dingell, great to have you on the show. >> thank you. good to see you. >> well from coast to coast, thousands of people are rallying this weekend in support of abortion rights. [ crowd chanting ] huge crowds of mostly women but many men too marching on state capitols. they are demanding the government stop trying to take away the right to choose. the largest protest is happening in washington. demonstrators there took their acanger to the supreme court which allowed that texas law to go into effect. the law that bans abortions after six weeks even in cases of rape and incest. the justices are set to reconvene monday and take up another abortion law, this one in mississippi. anti-abortion supporters hope that case will help over turn roe v. wade once and for all. and coming up this hour, the national league soccer league -- the national women's, i should
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and potential approval. >> well dr. reiner and the medical communer as a whole stressing while the pill could be a game-changer, it is no substitute for vaccines that will prevent most of the serious illnesses. and spread for that matter. since the pandemic, it is just been so confusing for many women and their child bearing years. and men. especially when vaccines became available under emergency use authorization. pregnant moms worried if it was safe for them and safe for their babies. now the cdc wants to make it crystal clear, if you are pregnant, please get vaccinated. and joining me now with more is fertility physician dr. natalie crawford. dr. crawford, good to see you again. we love having you as a guest on the show. the cdc director rochelle walensky said just 31% of pregnant women in the u.s. are vaccinated. what do you make of that number? why is this such a concern? >> i think to put this in
perspective, what we know is about 75% of the population has received at least one dose. so this is staggeringly low for pregnant people. and i think it really is fear and fear of harming your baby and i understand hesitation against things. however, the consequences are so different because your body is different in pregnancy. you have decreased immune system and your lung capacity is lower and there is extra strain on your heart and kidneys and what we're seeing right now that the delta infection is deadly. pregnant people compared to non-pregnant age related peers with covid has a 70 percent increased chance of dying and a double-digit chance of being admitted into icu andin tube ated and there is fetal death and still birth and these are things we want to avoid. we truly, truly are asking
pregnant patients to talk to their doctors about this and the cdc urgent guideline is stressing how important this is at this time for all of those pregnant people out there. >> so i just want to be really crystal clear with our viewers who are watching given the fact that we've been having this conversation for months and you then you look at numbers. bottom line, if you are trying to get pregnant, what is more risky? taking the vaccine or getting covid? >> getting covid, hands down. what we know is we look at risk versus benefit and the vaccine has been proven to be safe and effective. it does not harm your future fertility. it does not decrease the chance of implantation and we do not see different accessories with ivf and not a higher risk of miscarriage. and we know that covid is deadly and we're using this evidence now and we've been talking about this for months like you said but now we have more evidence supporting these claims that
this vaccine is safe and we're really urging you to get it because this is important. >> so what kind of success do you have when you talk to your vaccine- vaccine-resistant patients about getting the shot? >> my fertility practice, we look at for the ilt, we believe in evidence and i think the approach is to meet patients where they are and to be honest and open to have a hard discussion. i know physicians are burned out from covid but i'm plieading wih my colleagues to the conversation and ask patients what are you his tant and i'll tell my patients that you're trying me or to do ivf and i need to you trust me on this. but i'm looking out for your best interest and i have really good success and i hope my colleagues out there are as well. >> and you've been open about
your own journey with infertility so you have this from two different perspectives, your personal journey and as a doctor. and i wonder what it is like for you to hear about these unvaccinated pregnant women dying from covid? >> you know, it is terrifying. and i do remember being that person who lost pregnancies and wondered if it would ever happen and blaming myself and looking at everything i was doing. so i told patients, i understand your hesitancy. you want to do the right thing and that is why getting vaccinated is the safest choice. but i think it just makes it more personal when somebody sits on the other side of the table and they've been through it. and it is heartbreaking. especially for our fertility patients who go through so much to get to that pregnancy. but all of the pregnant moms there to think of them not meeting their baby or surviving and all of the dads left alone or babies losing both parents, this is horrifying for the
public to know maternal death is a once in a career thing for most ob/gyn and my peers are talking about losing multiple pregnant people in a week. there has never been such a high loss of life. >> oh, my goodness. that is just horrifying. dr. crawford, it is not just the woman, it is the baby. so much it lost. all right, well thank you so much for coming on. we'll continue to have you to talk about this important topic because it is top of mind for a lot of people including when you look at the recent death as mong pregnant women, thank you so much. >> thank you, pamela. well senators are comparing facebook to big tobacco. they grilled the company this week about how much it knows about instagram's impact on the mental health of young girls. we'll have more on that ahead. um, she's eating the rocket. ♪
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the only signal of true partisanship on capitol hill, it wasn't on infrastructure. it definitely wasn't the budget. it was facebook. the senate commerce committee grilled the company's head of global head of safety. just weeks after the "wall street journal" series into how much facebook knows about instagram's negative impact on the mental health and body image of teen girls. >> facebook has taken big tobacco's playbook, it has hidden its own research on addiction. >> instagram is that first childhood cigarette. >> we do not trust you with influencing our children. >> facebook's antoine davis said the research found that more teen girls who were suffering find instagram helpful than not. and that they could introduce
new features to help teens. she also pushed back on calling the research a bombshell but the senators weren't having it. >> and we are looking to find ways to release more of the research. i want to be clear that this research is not a bombshell, it is not causal research, it is in fact just -- >> well i beg to differ with you, mrs. davis. this research is a bombshell. >> well that senate committee will hear from the whistle-blower that spark ttd all on tuesday. instagram has since paused the plans to launch a product for children under the age of 13. joining me now is two sisters who are both social media influencers. carly and plow are on media sites like instagram. the facebook own research shows
32% of teen girls say they feel bad about their bodies and that instagram made them feel worse. in the past, you have struggled with what you call disordered eating and now you post about self love and confidence. did you what you saw on social media play a role in your disorder eating? >> well first of all thank you for having us. i feel like it definitely played a role in my disordered eating when i was younger it wasn't as prominent because i'm 24. but i think even sub consciously you're -- and these things are constantly filtering through your brain and if you don't follow those accounts you're still seeing things every single day that could effect how you think of yourself. >> just really quick, want to follow up with you and go to your sister. but what do you say to facebook when they say the research is showing that instagram is helping teen girls, it is not
hursti hurting them, it is helping them. have you seen any evidence of that yourself? >> well i think it is both. i think there is a ton of negative content out there that i've had to unfollow myself because it was negative impacting me and then there is also accounts like mine who are trying to influence young girls to take care of themselves in a healthy way and to love their bodies. but there is going to be a mix no matter what. >> so let's go to you, clairette. >> i would love to hear your perspective on this. you also frequently scroll through instagram. how has instagram impacted how you view your body? >> um, well, i think social media and instagram in general negatively impacts people around my age and, you know, people are only posting their perfect moments and their perfect versions of themselves, which isn't actually a reality. but as a young girl who has grown up with instagram, scrolling like seeing everybody
post those perfect moments, obviously it is going to impact me and how the way i see myself and feel about myself, seeing those perfect selfies that people post or bikini pictures. i definitely tend to compare myself to others sometimes, which i'm trying to shy away from. but it definitely could get really hard to do so. >> so i'm curious on that note because it is everyone's highlight reel. and you both have these profiled with pictures and videos and so forth. as you reflect on it and khloe i'll start with you and go to you, carly, have there been times when you posted pictures where you looked happy and in a beautiful setting but inside you weren't feeling that way even though on the outside it looked that way in the picture or the video. >> yeah, i think that even, myself, i tend to post those perfect moments and try to show all of the happy moments but definitely i suffer from anxiety, i suffer from it every
single day and obviously it is hard for me to live every day with that. but i do post those good moments, so, yeah. >> when you're -- you post those moments even when your maybe not feeling it but it looks like it. to somebody else looking, they would say oh, wow, she's got it all going. and carly you're in a different phase of someone would is respecting their body and being positive but maybe you also were posting pictures where things looked perfect and so forth. i know i've been guilty of it myself when inside that wasn't you. but there is sort of this pressure to post and to keep this narrative going. >> yeah, i mean especially for me, i always say recovery from disordered eating or eating disorder is a process and it the not linear. and so i have bad days just like everybody else. and it's definitely hard to post on those bad days. but i also want to show people
that i'm human and that everyone has bad days no matter if you're the most body positive influencer or in the world or you're a model, we all have the bad moments. >> we all do. it is absolutely true. life is not perfect for anyone and if you're out there and life is perfect, let me know. because i'd love to hear what your secret is. and then there is this big question of what could be done. and i want to ask you to give your prominent roles as influencers. i'll start with you, carly. what should facebook do to change the climate for young women and girls on instagram? >> i think that a lot of it is not as much in their control as it is like if you're 13 and -- aside from the age thing, which obviously age is so important, if you're younger than 13, you should not be on these platforms. but if you're even, like, older than that, i really suggest
unfollowing accounts that make you feel bad about yourself. i also have heard of people talking about maybe posting if there is a filter, like having some type of tag that shows that you're using a filter or that you're using an app. but i'm not sure how successful that actually would be given the fact that people are going to want to admit if their using certain filters or edits. >> there is a lot of talk about the filters and really quickly, khloe, your thoughts on this. what do you think should be done to make it a better environment for young women? >> um, i agree with what carly said. i feel like it is more what we ourselves could do for the platform, like she said, unfollowing those accounts that are making you feel bad about yourself and also following more accounts that will help you feel better about yourself, like body positivity accounts, yeah. and for creators like me to post
more authentic content. i know that i myself want to start posting more authentic content and i think that that will help others want to post more authentic content as well. >> and when you say that, just really quickly, what do you mean by more authentic content? >> less filters. more just everyday daily life, not posting those perfect moments, not spending an hour to get that perfect picture. just a quick picture that you could post and just be authentic with yourself and with your followers. >> i think that is great. thank you so much carly and khloe weinstein, so interesting to hear your perspective and we all really appreciate it. this is such an important issue and you're welcome back on the show any time to discuss this. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. and we do want to note as we wrap up this segment, if you or someone you know might be at
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of west virginia and kyrsten sinema of arizona. earlier senator sinema expressed harsh words for house democrats calling their decision to delay a vote on a bipartisan infrastructure bill, quote, an excusable and deeply disappointing. that delay came this week after progressives vowed to kill the bill without action on their larger infrastructure plan. a plan that senator sinema and manchin continue to oppose. tonight cnn has a closer look at her journey into the spotlight and how the former green party activist now holds the key to the biden agenda. >> arizona freshman senator kyrsten sinema emerging as the key player holding the fate of president's agenda in her hands. meeting with the president and his team multiple times over the last week. >> they had a constructive meeting, agreed that we are sat a pivotal moment and need to
continue to work to finalize the path forward. >> with time running short, the pressure is mounting for her to reveal exactly what she's willing to accept. >> literally one senator, one senator, kyrsten sinema, is holding up the wheel of the entire democratic party. >> the president keeps begging her, tell us what you want. >> but so far she's kept that very close to her vest. >> what do you say? >> what but hoe gressives that are frustrated that they don't know where you are. >> a pan that he's operated on capitol hill, choosing to operate behind the scenes over public posturing as he nave gated as one of the two key moderate democrats in the senate. but it wasn't always this way. >> it is merely a distraction -- >> she started out far left of center as a green party activist entering politics in arizona a ralph nader supporter organizing after the september 11th attacks. which grew attacks years later
when she ran for senate. >> kyrsten sinema was protesting us in a pink tutu. >> she fought for lgbtq rights and against arizona's controversial immigration law. >> they passed an unconstitutional immigration bill that does nothing to solve our state's problems. >> her politics began to shift as she sought higher office. after winning her first congressional campaign in 2012, she joined the blue dog coalition, a group of centrist house democrats. >> the american public doesn't care much about republican or democrat, they just want solutions. >> and with her assent to the u.s. senate, she attempted to take over the late senator john mccain's maverick. >> and with the trust of the people of arizona, shaping my service, i recommit to ignoring political games. >> her speech foreshadowing how far she's come from her liftist
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