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this is sound limit tonight. president biden going to capitol hill tonight trying to break the stalemate. at this hour, still no deal on the massive spending package, and there was no vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. nancy pelosi telling her colleagues more time is needed.
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and we have heard from people who say they have seen gabby petito. will your mail be delayed? i want to bring in political commentator david axel rod. good evening to you. for a friday night we got hasn't to talk about. >> yeah. >> president biden bound to get his agenda through. >> we're going to get this through. it doesn't matter when. it doesn't matter whether it's in six minutes, six days or six weeks, we're going to get it done. >> so democrats got this far because they had a deadline. now they don't have one. so what happens if this drags on? >> they don't have an immediate deadline. time is pressing in on them. i think they have to understand they have to come to an grammy. he's not wrong.
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we tend to judge things in the moment. if he gets a deal, people aren't going to grade him on style point or speed. they're going to grade him on the deal itself and the fact he got one. he's not wrong about that. this is kind of like maneuvering an 18 wheeler into a loading dock. you have to go a little left, a little to the right, if you turn the wheel too much you can infind have kind of a wreck. that's the process they're engaged in now. i continue to believe that every democrat there, whether they're moderates or progressives understand that. walking away with nothing is just a disaster for everyone involved, so the -- >> but then -- >> i'm sorry? >> you think everybody understands that? >> by and large, i think yes, i
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think they do. everybody has skin in this game. what we've seen -- and i've said this to you before -- manchin and sinn ma have taught a lesson in leverage. everybody's trying to use their leverage to get their priorities in these packages, particularly in the reconciliation package. moderates are fighting hard for this infrastructure package. but i think all of them understand that if they -- i mean, it would be a catastrophic failure for democrats to walk away with nothing when they have a chance to do something historic, of course, the priorities matter. that's what people are fighting over. that's a longer discussion than they could probably have this week. >> yeah. >> i think biden is right to be confident, but it's going to be a very arduous process, because people do feel a sense of urgency about particularly
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priorities and they're using their leverage to get them in this package. >> but don't they stand a chance of losing support on the other side if they let this drag on and people -- from people who are saying -- well, the democrats aren't going for this and i as a republican, why am i doing -- if you were previously planning to vote for this bill, are they rethinking their vote? i think it's clear as ever that did bill will be linked to infrastructure. what happens then? >> that puts more pressure on democrats to be unified on the infrastructure bill. they've said they'll vote for the bill once they have an assurance that there's going to be a reconciliation bill. i think that's where we're at right now. they need hard assurance that the from a bill. this is what the bill is going to look like. the senate is going to vote on it. the house is going to vote for
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it. i mean, these are the assurances that they're looking for. then that -- they will vote for the infrastructure bill. but yes, there's risk. remember how -- when biden wanted these bills in the first place there was a hugh and cry amongst the republicans. and but i don't think house -- i think they'd love to have house republicans on that bill, but they shouldn't be necessary if democrats ultimately are unified. >> yeah. thank you david. i'll see you next time. appreciate it. >> all right. thanks. >> joining me, vice chair of the professional caulk ois, sharon jackson lee. it's been too long. long time, no see, as they say. thank you for joining us on this friday. when i don't see you i know you're busy and you're getting things done. sounds like progressives heard what they needed to here from the president, that he wants to
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pass both bills together but he's also saying the reconciliation package will need to be between 1.9 and two trillion dollars. how does that sound. >> thank you very much for having me. i would simply say that progressives got a victory tonight. members of the black caucus and other caucuses that are focused on the needs of vulnerable people, we got a victory tonight, because in essence, we stood fast so that the president's agenda could move forward. the very agenda that you know, don, that he campaigned on and the very agenda that really speaks to a seismic amount of vulnerable people in the united states. what he wants to do is life changing. i think what i heard today in the meeting was an affirmation of the work that was done by all of those who insisted on the two bills being won and as well, the
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president's commitment to work with us and i love that phrase. six minutes, six days, or six weeks. it will be before that but frankly, this gives us an opportunity to focus on the priorities to get the bill back better build right and really his work in the senate, all senators democratic and if there's ever one republican, we welcome them, to get it right for the american people. that's what -- >> i want to put up this graphic showing what the wish list is for biden's build back better plan. universal free pre-k. what are you willing to trim to get the cost down? >> well, here's what i think has to happen. first of all, we need to see what programs the senate are going to offer. we can't do a percentage cut. we can't do an across the board cut. programs don't work that way. so we're not prepared to slice
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and diece. i will tell you our priorities include housing, lowering drug costs, creating the care economy. congressional black caucus is kwerpd the federal medicate, what was dropped off for 12 states, historically black colleges and all of us are focussing on the crisis in the chiemt. so i frankly believe that we're closer than we think. that we have an opportunity lock and get the gist of what we're trying to change lines with. one of the elements in the congressional black caucus is of course the maternal health, black maternal health mortality and we're improving with that. with the leadership of what we've done in the progressive caucus, and the president was, in fact, i believe, welcoming where we are today and ready to
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roll up his sleeves and get this done. he said too your job. we did our job. now we've got to continue to get the bills passed and hand it off to the american people. >> i think you said this and maybe i just didn't hear it. sometimes i talk too much. i don't hear so well sometimes. progressive only willing to pass as long as the plan passes the senate or will seeing a frame work be enough? >> we want to do what the president indicated and the president indicated that the two bills are zwroogt got it. >> we believe to do that. that means as the infrastructure bill is already ready, don, you know that. >> uh-huh. >> we can get the build back better bill ready. the senate can pass it and we can pass it in the house and we'll pass both bills at the same time and we will not be delayed so much so that the american people will be at a disadvantage. i think that should be very clear. we're getting our job done.
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>> thank you so much. as they say, don't have a stranger. i'd good to see you. >> thank you for having me. have a good, wonderful weekend. >> you as well. >> you're working hard. >> thank you very much. i want to bring you presidential historian john meacham, the writer and narrator of the podcast "it was set." john meacham, good to see you. >> i'm good. what about you. >> i'm doing very well. thank you very much. president biden is vowing to get these deals done. is it important, as important as the folks in the media is making it, that's what he's saying, will people remember the wrangling and infighting? somebody mentioned that before. i think it was -- who mentioned it. pit may have been ron brown -- david axelrod. see? there's my memory. he just mentioned it. i remember the affordable care
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act. there was a lot of rang ling. does anybody remember that? you just remember baker and the law of the land. >> that's exactly right. president clinton tufd say president's usually get one sentence and if they're lucky they get two. lincoln saved the union. so no, i don't think a couple of days, weeks, whatever the president said today matters very much. i think what does matter is that the democratic party and the president need to prove as they put it that democracy can deliver and i think that this is an enormously consequential moment. i think one of the things i'd urge all of us to do is try to resist an analog instinct for analysis, that is who's up, who's down, who won the week, who lost the week.
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that defined our ethos for a long time. >> it's like sports reporting, right? they did this and here are the stats. go ahead, i'm sorry. >> it's understandable. it's entertaining and we should be honest about that, that when you follow these things as closely as you and i do and so many other people, then there's an instinct to do that. after january 6, in an era where 55 to 60% of republicans believe the free and fair election was stolen, then this is not an analog era. i do believe it's hugely important that washington show that they can deliver for the 81 million people who decided that joe biden should be at the pinnacle of power. >> so, john, president biden
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talked about how his paintings of lincoln and fdr hung in the oval office saying that the deeply divided country was the kind of moment that we're if right now. what do you think of that? >> generous enough to ask me back during the transition what i thought should hang, make recommendations for what should be in the oval office. and fdr is there over the mantle, not least because the argument is that in 1933 democracy was in peril. there were authoritarian movements on the move around the world. there was a question about whether democratic capitalism would survive that decade. over his left shoulder as he sits there, you see hamilton and jefferson and that's to remind people that we've been fighting like this from the very
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beginning. hamilton once said -- or jefferson said that he and hoim were like two cocks in a pit. washington helped found that union. lincoln helped save it. rosa parks is in there. says chavez is in there. harry truman is in there. it's hopefully a space that looks like the country and reminds us what the best parts are, the best elements of who we are. so i think that it's hyperbole is very seductive, but remember an armed mob tried to stop the constitutional processes from unfolding on january 6th in this calendar year. and one of the great things about america is that we move on quickly and one of the worst things about america is we move on too quickly.
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>> democratic congressman mike quigley described biden's hill meeting as an olive branch that he wasn't telling beam what to do. how does biden's negotiating style compare to other presidents? >> well, no president's ever had as much legislative experience, 36 years in the senate, eight years in the vice presidenty. >> none. >> sorry? >> none. no one? >> never had a -- no. no one with that legislative experience, no. you know, he's our oldest president, he's our most experienced legislator, been in public life since 1972. so he's been around a lot of these things, and i can't think of anybody with comparable experience who's been there. experience doesn't necessarily
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translate into success, but you know, he knows where the men's room is on capitol hill. >> ok. what about the optics of the president on capitol hill, meeting with all these different groups with within his party? does he look like he's in control or losing it to progressives? you know, look, i like seeing the president on capitol hill talking to people. i think it -- i think it's really important, so i don't -- maybe i characterize it wrong. i'm not sure if you see it as losing -- >> i suspect people in america today we read into things what we want to read into them. i think people like president biden see that as a wise thing to do, go up and look folks in the eye. as we know in our own lives, it's hardest, particularly if you're a politician to tell somebody know when you're looking at them. it gets easier when you're writing or on the phone and so a
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politician's unit of commerce is to create the appearance of a bond of respect, that's what politicians do. they don't -- they like the notion of fighting, but when they're in a room, you know, it's very hard to be in a room a lot of politicians, because everyone's embracing, right? i think having him there was a signal of the significance that he ascribes to this moment and if it makes a difference, we'll see it in the vote. >> jon, thank you. have a good weekend. always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> thanks. why is brian laundrie? there are reports of multiple sightings along the appalachian trail. oral-b delivers the wow of a professional clean feel every day.
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so tonight, a north carolina sheriff tells cnn that they are monitoring tips about alleged sightings of gabby petito's fiance brian laundrie. new questions are popping up over the family's camping trip days before she went missing. >> new questions about brian laupdry in the days surrounding the disappearance of gabby petito. brian and his parents visit add desoto campground according to their attorney, who now says bryan's senior cassie was also with them for a day. cassie spoke to abc news in an interview that aired september 17th. >> we haven't been able to talk
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with him. >> i've cooperated every way that i can. >> reporter: cnn obtained records showing a cancellation of a reservation. the day before brian returned home without gabby. later that week she made a new reservation for three people. this as new body cam footage is providing insight into the strained relationship between gabby petito and brian laundrie. officers in utah caught up with the couple in mid august after a witness called police to report a domestic dispute. >> there's two people that came to us and told us they saw him hit you. >> reporter: 22-year-old petito tearfully claimed she is the one who initiated that fight. after a few quick questions about her injuries -- >> hitting you in the face. >> i don't know. >>o on your arm, shoulder, right here. that's new, huh?
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have a new mark. >> i don't know. >> the officers turned their focus on petito's actions instead. >> were you ateleattempting to e him physical pain? what was the reason behind the slapping? >> for nearly an hour, the miss questioned the couple about their relationship separately and determined that laundrie is the victim. >> at this point you're a victim of domestic assault. it is something even laundrie finds surprising. ultimately laundrie is sent to a hotel for the night and the police deem the interaction a mental health crisis. >> i don't want to be separated. >> you have anxiety? >> yeah. please. >> what everyone wants to know is when will the autopsy be complete? what is the official cause of
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death, and will that help get investigators answers to their many questions? don. >> thank you so much. palm beach county state attorney dave aaronburg. dave, thank you. i'll get to see you once again this evening. the sheriff in north carolina has reid tips about alleged sightings of brian laupdry in the area. the sheriff doesn't put a lot of validity to the sightings but they are taking them seriously. they have to. how important are tips like these from the public and how do you decide which ones to pursue, which ones are legit, so on? >> yeah. good evening, don. we only have about 850,000 law enforcement agencies throughout the country with a population of over 300 million. we depend upon tips from civilians. law enforcement can't do it all themselves. that even includes dog the bounty hunter.
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someone is inserting a reality star in the mix, it has a whole 2020 vibe to it. i think we depend and we need civilians to speak up. that's why we always say if you see something, say something. as many good tips you get, you get that many more bad tips, so it can accepted limited resources on wild goose chases in some up stances. >> i want to play some of the body cam that was released where gabby admits that brian hit her. >> did he hit you? i understand if he hit you. i want to know if he hit you because, you know. >> i hit him first. >> where did he hit you? don't worry. be honest. >> i guess he didn't like hit me in the face. >> did he slap your face or what? >> well, like he grabbed me with his happened and that's why it
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looks -- it's like it's healing. >> so as she said, she admitted he dprabd her face and scratched her. what goes through your mind when you watch that. the police officers appear to be trained to look for signs of domestic violence. to me, it seems so, questioning, but i wonder what you think. >> that was a troubling video. throughout the video it sounds like they were closer to arresting gabby than brian. now that you see dpaby admitting that, yes, brian did grab my face. he put his nail h her cheek and left a mark. still they had to be talked out of arresting gabby. brian was made out to be more the victim. you got to look at this separately. what you have to do, don, is know the fact there was also a report that brian was locking gabby out of the van, a van that
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she owned in part or in whole. plus there was a report that he was trying to grab her phone. these were things he's not allowed to do. combine that with the fact that he apparently grabbed her face and there were two witnesses that said he slapped her. you have to wonder why he wasn't arrested. at the very least, i think there was probable cause to arrest him that day. >> are the laund rries doing a good job? >> they're incriminating themselves in the court of public opinion but in the court, you need more. if they knew that brian committed a crime and they tried to prevent his arrest or punishment in some way, then they could be charged with accessory after the fact. so if they tried to sanitize the
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van or destroy evidence or if they pat him a plane ticket to get out of dodge, then the law enforcement officers can be showing up in their driveway with a shiny new pair of happened cuffs. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> thanks, don. >> the threats against them, they say, they need help from the fbi. stay with us. do you struggle with occasional nerve aches, weakness or discomfort in your hands or feet? introducing nervive nerve relief from the world's number 1 selling nerve care company.
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a threat to -- so serious, i should say. a school board group is asking the fbi, homeland security and the justice department for help. the national school boards association sending president biden a letter saying, and i quote here, as these acts of malice against public school officials have increased. the classification of the heinous actions could be equivalent to hate crimes. terrorism and hate crimes. that's what school boards are facing? let's will to just some of it. >> calm down! calm county! we know. we know whur. we know who you are. >> we know who you are. we didn't find you and we know who you are. >> i'm going to comfort everybody that comes at my kid with this stupid ridiculous mandate. >> we are the storm and we are
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here already and when this whole thing crumbables to the ground we will be here to hold you accountable for your crimes against humanity. >> right here. as you can see, fists are now flying, all of this on live television. fists are flying. >> you are allowing child abuse. you are allowing child abuse. you are allowing child abuse. you are allowing child abuse. you with your snotty little face, you're allowing it as well. >> parents. joining me now to discuss, the chief executive officer of the national school board arson association, nicky hudson of worthington ohios school board. good evening. i'm so glad both of you could
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join us. parents always act that way? i have no idea but it seems just beyond. nicky, you personally have been on the receiving end of some of these threats. in the letter to biden, the nsda referenced that you got this mail. we are coming after you and all the members on the board of education. you are forcing them to wear masks for no reason and this world other than control and for what you will pay dearly -- for that, you will pay dearly. i mean, what is it like getting this letter as someone trying to take care of kids, help kids? >> it is deeply disturbing, don. you know, in part because of the fact that it's, you know, a threat against like you said individuals who are trying to make the decisions, decisions that are in the best interest of our students and public health. it's being directed at us who are members of the community would have children in our
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school district. and also, i mean, there were other things in a that letter, so also because of the amount of, you know, hate and intimidation and racism that are woven within these threats. >> did this all start with the pandemic? parents always acted this way. the start of the pandemic or has a group -- your group seep an uptick in these threats before 2020? >> well, i think there were three things. you had the national election prior to the pandemic. the pandemic hit it shut the buildings down, changed schools dramatically. then you had i think the economic impact of that that also affected many people's lives. i would say, though, that this isn't necessarily parents. i think it's individuals who are showing up at these meetings with a set of agenda. they're creating all these problems. i mean, the clips you just showed are so disturbing but there are so many other o
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incidents like that that vice president been reported. what we want to do is try and get the nation to take a step back, to take a deep breath, to get back to that concept that we can disagree but then the meeting ends and we can go away agreeably. whoever your position is on masks, whether you're pro-mask or anti-mask, we can't have all these disruptions. our children are watching all this. frankly, they're being the good influence right now. we need to follow their lead. >> it's not just covid safety measures, right? you've seen a lot of things like the critical race theory. tell us what you're seeing. >> critical race theory is not something that's actually taught in k-12 schools. it's taught at a high level in law schools and graduate schools. we're putting misinformation around that, around various things related to the pandemic
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in an effort to try to protect the teachers. and the make sure there's a positive environment for students. when we have students being locked down in washington state because of protesters have showed up while the students are inside trying to learn, that is a real problem. and they're not isolated incidents. we simply need to do something about it. that's why we sent the letter was in part to just call attention. we cited about 20 incidents in this situation. we could have cited more. we believe there is a proper role to support local and state law enforcement and schools from the federal government to make sure we're getting the best information. we have resources available and that we're all following this issue closely and staying in coordination with each other. >> this has to be a very stressful time for you and your colleagues. the pandemic has been stressful for every. you have to make a lot of decisions with little and often
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changing information that keeps students safe and staffs safe, as a marry of fact and your community. >> uh-huh. >> what too you want people to know about what you guys have been dealing and what you're dealing with? >> i want people to understand that we're humans who are doing our best, right, to understand that we have been through the pandemic as well and we make the best decisions we can with the information that we have. like you said, for the best interest of our students and our teachers and our community, because what happens in schools impacts the families at home and vice versa. and you know, in the words of my 12-year-old -- we were talking about this tonight. she says it's as if people don't understand there's an actual human on the other end of their actions or their words. so i agree. it is a time to remember that we need to engaging civilly and with respect and decency and that it's ok that we disagree.
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we need to do that and model to our children that we can do that in a productive manner and in a manner we can actually hear each other. you can't hear somebody who's screaming. you can't hear people who are doing the nazi salute, equating you to nazis because you have a mask mandate for public health. that -- i don't feel like that's an attempt to be heard. i think it's an attempt to make a show. the letter says like it's not just a show. it's, we're going to come after you and get rid of you one way or the other and then we're going to run people against you. so it is across the nation. >> yeah. nicky, chip, thank you for your time. please keep us updated. ok. stay safe. >> thank you. >> thank you so much, don. >> after being assaulted at the capitol, he has a traumatic
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a federal judge has ruled that a man charged with assaulting michael fanone will remain in jail awaiting his trial. thomas civic was spotted on police camera footage ripping
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away his badge and radio while he lay on the ground outside the capitol. he was hospitalized. the judge says he took purposeful independent actions to reach in and grab at fanone's congresswomen. officer fanone has talked on this show about how horrible that day was. >> yeah. mean, i experienced the most brutal, savage hand-to-hand combat of my entire life, let alone my policing career, which spans almost two decades. it was nothing that i had ever thought would be a part of my law enforcement career and nor was i prepared to experience. >> he was tased. he had a heart attack and a traumatic brain injury. he was left on the ground before
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a fellow officer could save him. but he indicated he tried to help fanone in all the chaos. the judge not buying it. she says he may be a helpful human being in life but he was not helping on january 6th. next, massive delays coming to the post office. what you can expect and why right after this. pbloating, gas, or abdominal discomfort? taking align can help. align contains a quality probiotic to naturally help soothe digestive upsets 24/7. try align, the pros in digestive health.
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starting today americans across the country could start seeing slowdowns in mail delivery from the united states postal service. the slowdown, part of the controversial postmaster general's plan to modernize the usps. cnn's christian holmes has all of the details. >> after more than a year of complaints nationwide about the snail-like pace of mail delivery. >> they should figure out a way to get it there on time. >> it's about to get worse. >> i feel like we already wait so much. >> lewis dejoy's ten-year plan starts today and it promises to increase the delivery time for first-class mail from three days to five. experts say this will mostly affect mail traveling long distances. the postal service relying more on ground transportation than planes. according to a washington post analysis, western states will experience the brunt of these changes. 70% of first-class mail sent to nevada will be delayed.
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58% delayed to washington tate and 57% to montana. florida will see massive delays with 60% of deliveries. dejoy says the plan will save money. >> a path to financial sustainability and service excellence? lawmakers pushing back. >> medical shipments have gone missing, many small businesses cannot get their products to customers. >> i've gotten complaints from families who didn't get birthday cards from grandma to their grandchild or notices about things that they needed to get to on time. >> as well as members of the postal service board of governors. >> intentionally slowing first-class mail and package delivery by changing service standards is strategically ill-conceived, creates dangerous risks that are not justified by the relatively low financial return and doesn't meet our responsibility as an essential part of america's critical infrastructure. >> dejoy remains mired in
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controversy, a staple of his tenure. the trump hold over and republican mega donor came under fire during the 2020 election as democrats accused him of intentionally sabotaging the postal service and slowing down delivery amid unprecedented mail-in voting. the department of justice opened an investigation into dejoy's political fund-raising when he was in the public sector. he denied all accusations. while biden doesn't have the power to fire him, he can replace the board that does, but the president has shown no interest in doing that. earlier this year he nominated three people to vacant seats on the postal service board of governor, but the majority installed under former president trump standing behind dejoy. the postmaster general telling lawmakers he's not going anywhere. >> how much longer are you planning to stay? >> a long time. get used to me.
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>> kristen holmes, cnn, washington. and thank you for watching. our coverage continues.
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>> good evening. when it comes to the 11th hour push by congressional democrats at the white house to reach agreement on two huge pieces of the domestic agenda the answer they've come up with is why not a 12th hour, a 12th day and a 12th week, with the party at odds over timing, the price tag of social welfare and legislation and with the bipartisan infrastructure bill, president biden went to the capitol. when he, merged afte


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