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right there. >> well, i can't wait for this one. i think it is going to be amazing. and "new day" continues right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> all right, good morning to our viewer here in the united states and all around the world. it is friday, october 1st. we do have breaking news. what could be the first pill used to treat covid-19. this could become a reality and very soon. drugmaker merck announced this morning that its antiviral drug customers the risk of hospitalization and death for people who have covid in half. >> merck has paused its trial, and plans to ask for emergency use authorization. now it is important here to note that this is meant for patients who are already infected with covid. not a replacement for a vaccine. >> dr. sanjay gupta here with me now. this feels look a big deal. >> yeah, this could be a big deal. we're getting all the information from the company right now. it has got to go through the
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process that everyone knows and learned about over the last couple of years. this emergency use authorization application means the fda will now look at this, but as, you know, as you mentioned, this trial was paused because an independent group of advisers basically looks at the trial results and says, something's going on here. >> something good is going on here. >> something good is going on here. so much so we don't think it is really even ethical to continue doing the trial if it is potentially as good as it sounds. >> this is one of the things that has been missing all along, right? i'm not saying -- this is not a replacement for vaccines, they're most important thing here. early on before the vaccine everyone was hoping there would be some miracle drug that could keep you out of the hospital if you caught covid. >> yeah. it is really interesting, john. just historically we think about antibiotics, lots of antibiotics for bacterial infections. as far as antivirals for viral infections, in the word of hiv/aids, that's where it has been studied. tamiflu, you know, but never really been the big antiviral
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push. never really been a lot of funding for it. every time something like this happens, a potential viral outbreak there is renewed interest and it kind of fizzles having covered this for 20 years. here now you have a couple of products, this is the one from merck, there is another one from pfizer that is also being investigated. that sort of all along was being studied. and the thought was, look, it is probably not going to come in time for it pandemic. because we'll have a vaccine or something else, the pandemic will sort of end by the time these antivirals get developed. here we are, you know, at the end of 2021, still with a tremendous need for this. as you correctly mentioned, the vaccine prevents people from getting the illness in the first place, this would be to treat people who are mildly ill, moderately ill, to keep them from getting into the hospital. very important potentially, especially in places where there is not enough vaccine or countries where people aren't willing t ining to take thvacci >> how does this change the scenario going forward? >> we talked about all the hype
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around hydroxychloroquine, the reason there was hype, could you give something to people who were mildly, moderately ill, a pill they could take at home and prevent them from going to the hospital. everybody thought it is a pipe dream, remdesivir came close, but further trial results did not show it as promising. hydroxychloroquine was problematic, harmful to patients. monoclonal antibodies was the only thing that could do that, requires an infusion, about 2,000 bucks a dose. here you talk about five days, twice a day of a pill that could potentially what it does, it basically interferes with how the virus replicates. you have the virus in your body, it is replicating, this comes in and in various ways stops that replication process from happening. so if it works, and, again, lots of ifs here, because the fda has to look at this, remdesivir had a lot of promise as well. this sounds really promising,
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analyzed. if it works, this is something people could potentially have in their homes, take after they get a positive test before they get really sick and change the trajectory of their disease. >> "the wall street journal" calls it tamiflu for covid. >> that's the only antiviral we think about outside of the world of hiv/aids, tamiflu. it could usher in a new era when it comes to antivirals. everybody knows antibiotics. most people couldn't name a single antiviral this would be the first one they could ever name. >> don't go far. you'll come back in a little bit. interesting development combined with vaccines may be powerful weapons. >> yes. >> brianna. democratic drama on capitol hill, lawmakers in the house reconvening here in the next hour, and there is a big question, can they get past this liberal revolt that prevented a vote on the infrastructure bill after hours of negotiations? speaker nancy pelosi has finally delayed that much anticipated vote on -- she finally did delay
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that much anticipated vote on the senate approved d infrastructure bill had it became so painfully clear she didn't have the votes to get it passed. there is supposed to be another try today? is that in jeopardy? we're waiting to see that. president biden's massive infrastructure bill stalled because liberals are demanding an even larger social spending package separately that it get done in both chambers. so for now, that seems very far off, with senator joe manchin holding firm on his price tag which is $2 trillion less than what the president and progressives want. let's bring in the deputy whip of the congressional caucus, debbie dingell. thank you for being with us. i want to ask you about a $2.1 trillion compromise framework that we're hearing about that is on the table right now between democratic leaders and the white house. what can you tell us about this? >> you know, there are a lot of discussions going on between the
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white house, senator schumer, and speaker pelosi. and i want to make just a couple of comments. everybody keeps wanting to focus on the division in the democratic party. here is the reality. for our democratic caucus, failure is not an option. we know we have to deliver. there are a lot of healthy discussions, a lot of -- look, it is not been -- i called it at the beginning of the week, a week from hell and it is. i'm going to tell you something different, i'm actually seeing people talk to each other, to listen to each other, to hear different perspectives, to legislating, and i think that's actually a good thing. i don't believe we'll leave here until we do get this figured out, where we come together and figure out how we're going to deliver on helping build out an infrastructure so we can reduce carbon emissions, how do we get the lead out of pipes and all of the pipes in this country because we have children drinking lead all over.
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i think the best is a good bill. when you can bring people together, but it doesn't have enough money to get the lead out of all the pipes. just start there. the child care is another important project. it is really simple. we need both bills. we're going to figure up what is going to be in that build back better bill. we're going to come to an agreement, and we're going to get them passed. >> how do you bridge a $2 trillion gap? >> i think there is a lot of discussions going on about what are the programs, what are the critical programs, how do you make sure you're investing enough in a program so that you make a difference, and i think that, you know, i keep saying that the d in democrats stands for dlufelivery. people know we have to deliver. there are a lot of bills, a lot of people have different perspectives. the thing that i think is good about this week, i've been pretty grumpy along the week, i think there has been too much discussions with just a couple
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of people and not enough with a broader caucus or even the whole house, you know. the senate is not the we are equal branches of government, and congress has 435 members that represent their constituents and they need to know that their voices are being heard and they're being represented at the table. but those discussions are happening. doesn't -- people can disagree. there have been tense moments. but that tension can make some of the -- if you take -- look at a diamond and what look tos like in like in the rough and what it looks like polished and right now we're getting ready to polish the bill to deliver. >> that framework is on the table? >> i heard a ton of numbers. i don't know what -- there are really confidential -- >> is that one of them, though, congresswoman? >> i think there is -- i think nancy has been clear it won't probably be 3.5, and every other number below that is on the table. most of us heard for first time the 1.5 number.
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i think any number in between those two is being discussed. we're talking about the programs, and what you get done and how does it get done and you look at what, it is the program where the focus is and the leadership is looking at the dollars and what -- when they come talk to this caucus, they're going to talk about what the programs are that are in there. and what we're going to be delivering to the people, and other issues that people care about, how are we going to continue to work on those and get those done. >> you heard about this late july memo that manchin gave to the senate majority leader that said i'm at $1.5 trillion. that's become apparent here where his number was. was that -- is that frustrating? would that have been helpful for you to know before? >> i think a lot of people wish they had known what is being dealt with, but i think the speaker is really -- there is no better legislator. i was married to a master
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legislator in the history of the house he will have been one of the best. nancy pelosi knows what she's doing. she knows how to sit at a table. she did not know that. she had no knowledge of that until this week. so- -- >> does that handicap her considerably? >> she thought she was working with an agreement that was 3.5. so, you know, but this is a woman who takes the -- what's been handed to her, the lemons, and ensures that it gets made into the lemonade we have got to do. so and that's part of the problem. one of the problems right now is that people don't trust the united states senate as to what they really will agree to. we need both of these bills. it is that simple. we need both bills. and so many of my colleagues and i don't care where they are in the spectrum want to know they're going to deliver on getting both of the bills. >> you said people are talking.
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some of the talk i wonder if you think is helpful, aoc said that joe manchin is fundamentally unserious. >> you know, look, joe manchin, i've known for a very long time. he was a very close friend of my husband. he represents the people that sent him to washington. so i don't think name calling -- i'm someone that had a long history of saying we should treat each other civilly, be working together bipartisanly and name calling is not a useful thing. i'm not going to call out anybody, you know, specifically. i just hope we can all really work hard to listen to each other, to respect each other, and to figure out how we're going to get this done together. >> it is hard to see how there would be a vote today. what do you think? >> nancy pelosi, i would never underestimate. we'll see what's going to happen. i think the discussions are going to continue. and i think you should stay
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tuned and, you know, it -- there is going to be a lot of hard work, a lot of people have rolled up their sleeve and we're going to get this done, we're going to deliver for the american people. >> vote today? >> what is your definition of today? you know, today in legislative language is that -- not until you adjourn. so -- >> oh, my goodness. this could be the friday that never ends. all right, we'll see congresswoman debbie dingell, thank you for that. >> thank you. >> we need to deal in earthly terms, not congressional rules where you can make a day last a thousand there. >> lasts two months. >> on earth, a day is a day. want to bring in cnn political director richard chalian and i want to ask what debbie dingell just said, i want to start with the news overnight which is that there is a $2.1 trillion proposal out there, the
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significance of that and the possibility of there might actually have been some movement over the last few hours. >> right. i mean, this is what we got yesterday when joe manchin announced that firm in his mind $1.5 trillion top line, what we finally got were the parameters of what a negotiation would be now, and now we're seeing from the other side, this float of a number to see if that is going to do two things. move manchin and sinema in some way closer to that and assuage the progressives that there is enough agreement there that they can move forward on the infrastructure deal. here's the thing. debbie dingell is right when she says there is all this talk about the top line, but what is in this bill that is going to come to the moment of when the rubber meets the road here. if in this float from the white house and democratic leadership and what they're circling around to try to bring manchin up, if indeed let's say that does not
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include the expansion of medicare, to include vision and hearing aids and dental, perhaps let's say it doesn't include free community college for all, well, that's not in that proposal, there is going to be a bernie sanders problem, right? those are two pet issues of his. learning what the specifics are inside these offers is going to start to be really important here beyond just the top line number. >> you know, melanie, if you talk about going from 1.5, where manchin is, to 2.1, that's not -- i mean, we're talking in trillions, so i'm not trying to minimize how much that is, but that's not bumping up so much compared to the dip that you have to go from 3.5 to 2.1. >> right. as messy as this all feels right now, and it is messy, they are working towards something and there was notable progress yesterday. we finally know where manchin at least is, we're seeing sinema and manchin engaging in these
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negotiations, we had white house officials up on capitol hill yesterday, and in some ways it feels like the reconciliation negotiations started in earnest yesterday. so they didn't come to an agreement last night. think about how long the infrastructure bill, which was bipartisan, and only $1.2 trillion, again, only $1.2 trillion, but compared to what they're trying to do with reconciliation, that took months to come to an agreement to. it is going to take some time. the question is if they can come to an agreement on this framework, this broad framework, buy-in from the principles that joe biden can get behind, is that enough to convince progressives. there is a massive trust deficit now between the centrists and the progressives. so we'll have to see what they can come up with today, which as debbie dingell noted is still yesterday because of what they did with the legislative calendar. >> i'm sorry, nancy pelosi can do a lot. but friday is friday and thursday is thursday. even pelosi can't do that. you talk about a trust deficit
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what about a possible trust deficit between chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. we talk about now everyone is showing their cards. joe manchin, it turns out, showed his cards to chuck schumer in july. they have a signed document where the two of them said, yeah this is joe manchin, how far he will go, but schumer didn't tell anybody or kept it tight to the vest? >> i think that was a huge development yesterday learning that after months of democrats on the hill constantly asking the question, what is manchin's number, that the senate majority leader actually had known what his number is all along. and as you noted, signed a document that said so. and to melanie's point, the negotiations over the reconciliation bill, the budget bill began in e earnest yesterd, that seems right in joe manchin's plan. he said we should begin debating that on october 1st, that's today. it seems like chuck schumer has known a lot about where we were going to be in this moment, but wasn't sharing, which seems to
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be a strategic choice or a tactical one and i wonder if, you know that is going come in from serious criticism. we're in the middle of the game here. and you just heard congresswoman dingell, the overriding principle here for democrats across the spectrum is failure is really not an option because it would be so devastating politically to the president and to the party overall. so i do think the overriding sort of energy right now is still that they are going to get both of these bills eventually passed. but when we look at whether or not chuck schumer hiding the ball from the house democrats and others in this moment was actually a productive piece of this process, i don't know that that will look so good in h hindsight. >> this is date that never ends. it will go on and on. i think we're in it. that's what's playing in my head as we're talking about this, melanie and david. thank you so much. there is some new body camera video from police in utah
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and they're speaking with gabby petito in it about a physical fight she had with her fiance brian laundrie and something we learn in this that we didn't know. she talks about how she was grabbed in the face. we did not know that. plus, dr. sanjay gupta back with us with an eye opening look at one group of people who are resisting the covid vaccine despite being exposed to it on a daily basis. >> it is their body, it is a choice that they should make for themselves. and that i should make for myself. >> and the game to end all games, tom brady making his first trip back to new england since leaving the patriots. so how is all of new england feeling about this? what happens when we welcome change? we can transform our workforce overnight out of convenience, or necessity. we can explore uncharted waters, and not only make new discoveries,
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new body camera video reveals gabby petito told police that brian laundrie was violent with her during an altercation. listen. >> where did you hit him? >> i slapped him. >> you slapped him first? and then on his face? >> he told me to shut up. >> how many times did you slap him? >> a couple. >> and then what, his reaction was to do what? >> he grabbed you? >> yeah.
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>> did he hit you though? it is okay if you're saying you hit him and i understand if he hit you, but we want to know the truth if he actually hit you, because, you know -- >> yeah, but i hit him first. >> where did he hit you? >> he grabbed my face, like, like this. he didn't hit me in the face. he didn't, like, punch me in the face or anything. >> did he slap your face or what? >> well, like, he grabbed me with his nail and i guess -- i feel like i have a cut here, i can feel it. >> it wasn't in the police report. joining me is deborah norville, anchor of "inside edition". the police said only at the time that gabby petito hit him, that is so revealing and heart breaking, i might add, to hear her side of what happened. >> yeah, you know, the -- this new video which provides yet another perspective of that interaction with gabby petito, brian laundrie and the local police in utah seems to draw an
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even firmer line under the fact that there was a domestic situation going on, we know that the responding officers were told that a man had hit the woman, that was the reporting party's words to the cops, they were aware of that. and yet it seems from the way that particular officer was questioning gabby, he was more concerned in learning if brian hit her as opposed to any other physical action he might have taken. >> and clearly there was physical action taken there. and we know from domestic abuse cases it was almost textbook hearing gabby petito say, yeah, but i hit him first as if to excuse his actions. >> exactly. exactly. and this is one of the really concerning things about this interaction is just how fine tuned were the antenna of the responding officers to a possible domestic situation. we know according to the national coalition against domestic violence every nine seconds in this country a woman
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is battered by the person she loves. and yet in this interaction with the cops, there doesn't seem to be any recognition of as you put it the textbook signs of potential domestic abuse. the self-blame, elsewhere in the conversation she says, well, i was cleaning up and i'm ocd and that makes him upset. as though every response he had was triggered by something she did, therefore she is the party to blame. you can tell later in the interaction, the cops kind of bought that, because the guy says, you're the aggressor, but we're not going to charge you. and so she leaves that interaction with it reaffirmed by the cops that she was the party at fault. >> you can tell how much emotional pain she was in during that interaction. also, overnight, deborah, we learned that there was a series of phone calls, of reports, to police, having to do with the laundrie home in north port,
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florida, around the time that gabby petito's zpodisappearances reported. what do we make of all this? >> the cops had never been called to this address in the previous three years. the first call was on september 10th, the day before gabby petito's mother reported her missing. we believe and it is difficult to know what specifically to make of all of these calls and there were 46 calls documented. the specifics of the call had been redacted so we know the time, we know the category under which the call was placed by the cops. presumably the september 10th call would have been an inquiry because of any calls that joe petito may have been making, trying to find out the whereabouts of his daughter. later on calls that seem to have to do with disturbances that could be related to all of the people who were protesting outside with the bullhorns, some calls made by the laundrie family. get them off our property, they're harassing us. so it is difficult to say, but they have been back and forth
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and back and forth. what is also interesting is the freedom of information request to get these police calls covered all the way through thursday, they released calls only documented up until monday. so we don't know the nature of the calls that happened on tuesday and wednesday. and there has been a lot of updates and developments this week. >> that is interesting. deborah norville, thank you for joining us this morning. >> my pleasure. another bogus election recount turns up empty for the my pillow guy. carl bernstein with the escalating attack on democracy next.
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graph of democracy in peril, this week, this month, this year. how are you seeing the trouble that the u.s. is in right now? >> well, democracy is in peril because the republican party has become the party of trumpism, and the party of disenfranchisement. what we have seen in idaho, what we have also seen in arizona, in these supposed recounts ordered because of supposed voter fraud is it doesn't exist. it is part of the big lie. the big lie is not just about the lie that donald trump did not lose the election, a few months ago, but rather it looks toward 2020. and the idea -- sorry, 2024, and the idea that we are going to have another, quote, rigged election. they're setting this up so that
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there can be no legitimacy in our electoral process. and the republican party has been taken over by this movement, that is the most radical political movement of our lifetime, that has come to power in any form in washington, in our state legislatures, but i think what we really need to acknowledge here is that we are in a civil war in this country. we are in a cultural civil war, such as we have never seen, since 1860 to 1865, and that the radicalism of the republican party today is almost comparable to a secessionist movement in this country because of what the republican party now advocates in a kind of trumpism, doesn't need donald trump anymore, he's fanned the flames, he's ignited them and the movement and we need in journalism, in particularly in the media, to start looking at what's going on in the country outside of washington.
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>> republicans are not fixing their internal problem, right? they're leaning into it. so what should democrats be doing that they're not doing. >> first of all, let's look at the republicans, they're being very successful at what they're doing. given the astonishing ideology to which the republican party has become enslaved, disenfranchisement, controlling through authoritarianism in the united states, let's take a moment to look at what general milley said, the head of our military said of donald trump's movement and trumpism that they are like brown shirts, they are like hitlerism, this is the chief of our military, a great hero incidentally for coming forth unlike in others who have served in the trump presidency and saying these things aloud. the republican party has become captured by this movement. and that's what we need to look
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at. it is not just these incidents that we see, let's look at january 6th, and how that was revved up and incited by those around donald trump if not by donald trump himself. and how the republican party is trying to suppress legitimate investigation of what happened on january 6th. so we are in a real civil war, a cultural civil war in this country, such as we haven't seen in 100 years, and we, you know, we keep in media and politics looking at our country and in washington as if it is disconnected from our culture itself. we need to start covering our culture and what has happened in the last 20, 25 years in this country, donald trump was able to enflame and ignite. >> what do you mean -- can you explain that? explain that more, what do you mean by that? there has been a lot of reporting where, you know, folks
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have gone out and looked at least some of that. what do you think is missing? >> i think that it needs to be at the top of our agenda to understand that what happens in washington, that, quote, our political culture and, quote, our media culture, is disconnected from this larger cultural phenomenon that goes so deep into who we are as a divided people. a divided people, the likes of which we have not seen in 175 years. and that includes the anti-war movement days of the 20th century this is something very different, the division that is separating and polarizing us in this country is vicious. it is deep. it is full of hate and anger. and most of that hate and anger is resting on big lies. it is somewhat one sided in terms of who is responsible for this. and it is this far right movement of authoritarianism
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that donald trump was able to exploit so successfully. we need to look at who we are as a people, not just who we are in politics, not just who we are in media, and we examine social media, let's look at the people. let's go out into the country, talk to the people, look in these towns and in cities and urban areas and what the divisions are and what is being advocated in the name of republicanism today that is a foreign and alien ideology to this country, the which -- the likes of which no party in our history has embraced a majority or minority, one of the two parties has never embraced a radical agenda such as we are seeing today. going back to -- until the civil war. >> carl, great to speak with you this morning. thank you. >> good to be with you. 77% of adults in the u.s. have now gotten at least one covid vaccine shot. there is still tens of millions
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holding out and that includes healthcare workers. >> this pandemic, this vaccine, the virus, the science is constantly changing. >> don't you, with all your knowledge as a nurse, don't you draw a line when it comes to -- >> sanjay asking there if she draws a line when it comes to a contagious disease. he'll join us next. oh! are you using liberty mutual's coverage customizer tool? so you only pay for what you need. sorry? limu, you're an animal! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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nearly 200 million adults in the u.s. received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine. 77%, which is an impressive number, that should be celebrated. but there are still some who are resistant and most perplexing among that group, some healthcare workers on the front lines of the fight against covid. dr. sanjay gupta back with us and, sanjay, you spent some time talking with a nurse in wisconsin. >> this surprised me a bit, we know the healthcare workers may be reluctant to get vaccine and might mirror the population of the united states. but you also believe healthcare workers are surrounded by good
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knowledge, see what is happening to patients in the hospitals, that should sway their opinion. listen to part of our conversation. >> shouldn't be a choice between a personal healthcare decision and, you know, the job we love. >> you would lose your job over this? >> it is heart breaking. it is almost like a grieving process to tell you the truth. >> andrea is among the tens of millions of americans who are eligible to get vaccinated against covid-19, but haven't. and what's more, she's been a nurse at gunderson health system across wisconsin for more than 12 years. >> ever since this mandate came down, many, many more people are quitting and leaving healthcare in our specific hospital. and we're not just talking nursing department, we're talking the eas, the housekeeping department, we're talking dietary, laundry, respiratory therapy department. >> at gunderson, 85% of the staff have been vaccinated.
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a snmall group staged protests t the hospital including andrea herself. one of her specific health concerns, blood clots. if you were my patient, let's say we were having this conversation in a patient room instead, i would tell you, look, i hear your concern about clotting, but if you have a clotting disorder, you should get the vaccine because you at increase risk of clotting if you got the disease. >> we know that very well with this pandemic, this vaccine this virus, the science is constantly changing and i understand that science is changing as we find out more things. >> but i think with the vaccines, i think when you have close to 6 billion shots have been administered around the world and have data, you know, trial data from last year that shows the safety and the effectiveness of these vaccines and then real world data over the last nine months, it does make a strong case. >> i'm not anti-vaccine. i'm not anti-covid vaccine. but at the end of the day, informed consent is what we all honor in nursing.
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i stood up for a lot of my patients over the years that were feeling pushed into something, and, you know, it is their body, it is a choice they should make for themselves and i should make for myself. >> certainly as a doctor, i'm very familiar with informed consent. don't you with all your knowledge as a nurse, don't you draw a line when it comes to contagious disease? i mean, the idea that you're working in a hospital where there are sick people and vulnerable people and you could potentially be a carrier of a virus and not know it because you may not have any symptoms -- >> i had multiple co-workers test positive for covid in the last few weeks that are fully vaccinated. i think a much safer option would be, you know, regular testing for all of us, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. >> i'm not saying that this obviates testing or wearing ppe and all those things, i don't think you with say, hey, i'm never going to wear a seat belt unless i also have an air bag. of course you would wear a seat
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belt. i've never gotten in a car accident, so i don't need to wear a seat belt. i know a guy who got in a car accident and wore a seat belt and died. you are more kequipped than mos of the country to preach rather than sewing doubt. it worries me about where we go now and where we might go if there is another pandemic. i got to leave it with just saying i think you should get vaccinated and i don't know, will you think about it? >> i think about getting vaccinated? >> yeah. >> i feel like i put a lot of thought into this already as far as right now, i'm -- i have no plans to get vaccinated, but i'm willing to keep the conversation open to -- with -- still listening to others' point of view. >> is there anything that would convince you to get vaccinated? >> not at this point, but, i guess never say never. >> it was a really fascinating
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conversation, john. i was -- i thought i would convince her. i think i can convince people. she understands the risk reward proposition. the disease is far worse than the vaccine. for her it was about this mandate, and we keep saying you can't disentangle things from politics, that's what it manifests into. >> you convinced thousands if not tens of thousands to get vaccinated. it is safe to say that. that was an interesting conversation. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. it is the biggest sports story in maybe forever. tom brady back where he belongs in new england on sunday. what happens when we welcome change? we can transform our workforce overnight out of convenience, or necessity. we can explore uncharted waters, and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions,
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he cometh home. tom brady back in new england for first time since leaving the patriots for the buccaneers less than two years ago in eight months after winning a super bowl for tampa bay.
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his seventh. joining me to discuss is boston globe's sports columnist dan shaughnessy, author of the book "wish it lasted forever: life with the larry bird celtics." this is -- i'll throw this out there, the most anticipated regular season football game ever. am i right? >> i think it has to be. there has maybe been a situation awhe where at the end of the season, the game has playoff implications on the line. it happens the week before and all comes to a head. this thing has been circled for two years, since tom brady left new england. and you knew he wasn't going to play here in the first year he was in tampa, but then when the schedule came out, for this season, 2021, there it is. week four. it has been circled in new england for a long, long time. highest ticket prices anyone has ever seen for regular season game, it is like getting a
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ticket on a jeff bezos rocket to the moon or something. it is very hard to score a seat in the building for this thing. >> all right, who needs the win more. tom brady or bill belichick? >> i think belichick needs it more in this case. both guys are secure in their legacies. six super bowls together. belichick is going to the hall of fame, he may stick around long enough to pass done s shul. tom brady, seven super bowl championships, his legacy is secure. in this particular meeting, i think belichick must want to get this week over with. so much buildup, he hates this kind of thing. his team is 1-2, lost two home games, terrible game last week against new orleans. brady is 2-1. super bowl champs. if they lose this game, it will hurt, but they're going to be fine, they'll be in the playoffs, should go deep in the playoffs, they have a talented roster. the patriots, if they lose at home, they're 1-3, humiliation having brady come in and beat them, and if the game gets out of hand, and it is a rout, it
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won't be comfortable for bill late in the ninth there for sure. >> i think the fans will cheer for tom brady. you know in boston sports, we need a villain. we always need a villain. oftentimes you're the villain. who is the villain here? i have a hard time saying anybody is a bad guy in this? >> it is very tribal. when bill parcells left, you had to choose between kraft and parcells. people make their choices. right now the popular sentiment is with brady because he's gone off and won. he left, he went and won a super bowl. belichick, you look back. bob kraft is always trying to plege please both parties, it looks like a 42-year-old quarterback maybe time was up, okay, tom, have fun out there, you go ahead, go to tampa. then he wins the super bowl the next year, now he comes back into your house, it is tough for
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bill and bob right now. >> come back to my house anytime. dan shaughnessy, great to see you. thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. moments from now, house democrats back at it on capitol hill trying to find a way forward on two signature pieces of joe biden's agenda. we have coverage after this.
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changing work being done by other cnn heroes all around the world. and before we go, just in, supreme court justice brett kavanaugh has tested positive for covid. in a statement from the court, we're told he has no symptoms, and the rest of his family tested negative. he is fully vaccinated. cnn's coverage continues right now. very good friday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. erica, i'd like to say, the weekend is already starting but there is still a little news to come, maybe, or to follow at least. >> i'm erica hill. i have to watch your lips, jim, because i couldn't hear you, but good morning. happy friday, my friend. it was a long night in washington, but here's the number to focus on this morning, maybe. 2.1 trillion, could that be the magic number? this hour, house lawmakers reconvening after late night negotiations ended u

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