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-- captions by vitac -- this is don lemon tonight and the breaking news, the house will not vote tonight on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, that decision coming down within the past 20 minutes after a day and night of intensive negotiations. no vote tonight in the house. so, let's get right away to cnn's congressional correspondent ryan nobles and white house correspondent john
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harwood. okay. ryan, welcome back. john, good evening to you. ryan, since we last spoke, you actually had the breaking news. this was your reporting, no vote tonight. comes after a flurry of meetings, tension building all day. what happened? what's the plan now? >> yeah. so, don, i really think that what happened here today is that throughout the course of the day, you saw the white house and the congressional leaders in the house and senate, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer attempt to try and bring together the most prominent voices in these disspirited factions of the democratic party and get them all on the same page. late tonight we saw kirsten sinema, joe manchin and bernie sanders coming in and out of senate offices. and we know from our reporting that they were trying to put together a deal that each one of those people would sign off on and say that they support. and we don't really know where
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senator manchin and senator sinema were on those negotiations, if they were anywhere close to signing off on anything. but we know one thing for sure, bernie sanders just wasn't interested in that conversation. he emerged from senator schumer's office and was very powerfully spoke to the reporters outside that said this is just not the way he wants to see this negotiation go down. and that was important, don, because we cannot underestimate the sway that senator sanders has -- >> his quote was absurd. he said the whole process was absurd. >> yeah, that's right. and when he talks, those progressive members on the house side listen, and they listen intently. you know, i covered the bernie sanders campaign for more than a year and a half, you know in 2019 and 2020. and many of these members of the house were supporters of his campaign, and they got into politics because they were inspired by bernie sanders. we're talking about alexandria ocasio-cortez, cori bush,
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rashida tlaib, and jayapal, who is the leader of the progressive caucus. they were going to take their cues from him. he wasn't interested in cutting a deal in the late night hours to try and push through this infrastructure deal, which progressives aren't in love with but are willing to vote for. and i think that ultimately is what forced the house speaker nancy pelosi to back away from the table and say this isn't happening tonight, i'm not getting the votes, we'll live to fight another day. we'll have conversation tomorrow and in the weeks ahead. >> one more before i get to mr. harwood. what are the assurances? progressives said, i'm not comfortable with a framework. we're not comfortable with a framework. what assurances are they looking for? >> they simply do not trust the moderates in this conversation, don. and they don't trust them because they felt there was an agreement at the beginning of this process when they initially announced the plan for the reconciliation package that if there were going to be two
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different bills, the bipartisan infrastructure deal and the social safety net program, that they were going to move along on the same track. and the second that the moderates decided that they wanted to do it in two different pieces of legislation, two different points in time, they no longer felt that they were b bargaining in good faith. and they are not going to feel comfortable. and they've really not backed away from this at all without seeing that bill passed in the house and the senate, the big $3.5 trillion plan. that, for them, is an assurance. they're open to some other guarantee that they can be confident in, but they have not seen that yet. and that's part of the reason why you see them holding firm. >> okay. ryan, you guys see me -- i'm grabbing things off of the printer. >> were you printing something? i could hear it. >> could you hear it? >> i could hear it, yes. >> the producers are printing it saying check the printer. so, there's a new statement in from the white house. i'm going to read as much of it
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as i deem necessary because i'm just getting it in looking at it now. so, brian, stay there if you want. we could use you. no more, ryan. okay. the white house is emphasizing this is not the end of the road, right? and they're saying that, you know, they're going to work to resume first thing tomorrow morning. here's the statement, part of it. it says a great deal of progress has been made this week, and we are closer to an agreement than ever. this is what jen psaki wrote in the statement. a great deal of progress has been made this week and we are closer to an agreement than ever, but we are not there yet. so, we will need additional time to finish the work starting tomorrow morning first thing. full statement. here it is. the president is grateful to speak pelosi and leader chuck schumer for their extraordinary leadership and to members from across the democratic caucus who have worked so hard the past few days to try to reach an agreement on how to proceed on the infrastructure bill and the build back better plan.
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then goes on basically saying it's progress and the work continues tomorrow morning. what do you think? >> oh, i think they made a lot of progress today, and i think that though it looks messy in the moment, the story of today is that they finally got full engagement from joe manchin and kirsten sinema, the two holdout democratic senators. they felt encouraged enough by that to launch these intensive talks to try to get a framework agreement that would prevent the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. they didn't get there, but they're close. they're in the red zone. not in the end zone, but they're in the red zone. and i think it is highly likely that democrats are going to get a deal if not tomorrow, within a matter of days. and that is going to ultimately, depending on what the contents of it, is likely to count as pretty good news for the biden white house. >> okay. on that note, the rest of the
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statement reads, while democrats do have some differences, we share common goals of creating good union jobs, building a clean energy future, cutting taxes for working families and small businesses, helping to give those families breathing room on basic expenses and doing it without adding to deficit by making those at the top pay their fair share. so, listen. you know, pretty much everyone, brian fallon said something similar, stacey plaskett said something similar, the democrats -- she sees it or they saw it as democrats being together and that it's progress. you're saying also something similar. this is progress. then why the arbitrary deadline? was it to get this urgency, the fire under people's butts, so to speak? >> well, there were a couple of things in play. first of all, you had the negotiations between the moderates and the progressives earlier in the summer that led pelosi to promise a vote on the
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27th. that obviously got delayed and it got delayed until today and it got delayed past today. you also have the fact that the highway bill, the federal highway program expires at the end of the fiscal year. that's tonight. so, that is a spur for action. and if they can't pass the infrastructure bill tomorrow because they don't have the framework yield, they're going to have to figure out some kind of continuing resolution or temporary extension of the highway program to prevent projects from going to a dead stop. but all of those things helped focus the attention of legislators and get them to bargain. that's important because we're getting toward the end of joe biden's first year. the longer you get from a presidential inauguration, the weaker the president's ability to get legislation through is. the more you get into the midterm election year, the harder it is to do. so, while it's not a hard deadline to get it done this fall or even let's say within
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the month of october by halloween, they urgently want to get it done because momentum and power dissipates over time. so, that's part of the spur. and that's why you had this intensive effort tonight. it will continue tomorrow. and i think the likelihood is, when i talk to white house officials and officials on capitol hill, is that we're going to end up with a package somewhere in the $2 trillion to $2.5 trillion range. possibly it could be a hair under $2 trillion if that makes manchin and sinema for comfortable. but it will be a very substantial package. they'll have to figure out what programs get thrown overboard, which ones get means tested so you shrink the number of people who get the programs and which ones might get shortened in terms of a timeline. instead of enacting a program for five years, you enact it for three years and count on three years from now being able to extend it. all of those different ways of
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massaging down the number are going to come into play. there's no resolution on them yet, and that's what these talks with match skpn sinema, pelosi, schumer are all about. >> thank you very much, john. i appreciate you coming in and helping us out with the breaking news as well. i want to bring in representative watson coleman. thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us. there's no vote tonight. take us behind the scenes. what happened? >> thanks for having me tonight. what is happening is that there are not enough votes to pass the bit without having a verifiable commitment on the reconciliation bill. we're eager to pass both of those bills. they represent the president's agenda. that's what he campaigned on. that's what people elected him, and that's what people expect from him. we campaigned in the same things, looking for both family
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and hard infrastructure. we campaigned, people elected us, and that's what they expect to see. and so what you have seen as a result of there being no votes tonight is that there has been no agreement but that there is a desire to move the path forward. >> so, listen, i know that -- i want to talk to you about -- you were with the house speaker tonight. let me just ask you this. the new thing is we just got the statement in from the white house. the white house says while democrats have differences, we share common goals of creating good, you know, union jobs, building clean energy and so on and so forth, making it seem -- the inference here is that you're not that far off. you want the same things. representative who was on earlier told me that -- stacey plaskett told me that you guys just want to know about the size of it. you were concerned about the size of it or negotiating the
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size of it. but basically you were together about what you wanted out of this. is that correct? >> i certainly hope so. i certainly hope that all democrats are on the same page as it relates to what is part of that reconciliation package. but we do want to make sure that the substance is responsive to what we agreed to, to what we thought the deal was, and to what our families, our women, our children, our elderly need on so many different levels. it's from education to health care to opportunities, job opportunities, to child tax credits as well as climate investment. so, it isn't just the top line. it isn't just the money. we want to make sure that the substance is there as well. >> are you feeling empowered? are progressives feeling empowered by this? it seems you guys took a strong stand. it seems stronger than in any recent history that i can remember. >> so, i think we feel encouraged that we're standing up for the right things for the
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people in this country, the things that are polling in this country. the families want, individuals want, people need. i think we feel comfortable that we're being listened to, and i think it is clear to those that are part of our discussions that we are very serious about where we stand on this issue and that all we want to do is to work together so that we can get to the yes, the yes on both of these measures. they're vitally important. they're interekt canned, and the country needs all of it. >> representative bonnie watson coleman, almost at the midnight hour. pretty close. burning the midnight oil and joining us. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. i want to bring in john avlon. john, there you are and here we are. you know where we are now, right? no vote. you heard the representative there. you've been hearing everybody
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else speaking, ryan, kaitlan, brian fallen it would have you. what do you think about this moment where we are? >> i think it's wise to delay the vote. the vote wasn't going to get done. i think the day began -- let's not forget that the day began with us being unsure whether there was going to be a government shutdown. so, that self-inflicted disaster was taken off the table. it seems like democrats' focus is on trying to get to yes, trying to find common ground. they're not there yet. they have made progress. progressives have more clout than they've had in the past. i think the centrist, particularly manchin and sinema, the fact they haven't been as open about their negotiation position has made it difficult to tie these bills together and to create that trust. we now know that senator schumer has had an outline of joe manchin's commands for months now. and there is ability to find common ground now. does it come to $2 trillion plus
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$1.2 trillion transportation. maybe that's what it ends it. you don't make the perfect end of the good. it takes both wings of a party to fly, and they need to find a way to get the ball down the field. there is no substitute for getting something done in these arenas. >> john, are democrats really going to walk away from $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill? >> god, they shouldn't. and it's not only just democrats. it's that finally after decades of talk, after all those infrastructure weeks, that, you know, president biden and the senators came together and cobbled together a big bill by any measure that is needed and overdue. and to walk away from that would be a disaster for the states not just for democrats but for the country. there's a lot they need to back fill with this budget and no one's going to get everything they want. but you don't do that to the country. you don't do that for a presidency, especially on one of
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the few things we can apparently find common ground on in the u.s. senate, infrastructure. >> representative stacy ey plaskett said to me that her concern, much of it, however you want to characterize it, was already paid for. there are paid fors for a lot of this, and to her it didn't seem like she thought this would -- it was progress. something would be done. but much of this was already paid for. is she correct in that? >> well, you've got to be careful about being too quick to say this doesn't cost anything. these are trillion dollar bills. they're massive by any measure. the question is whether the revenue is going to offset the cost. and that gets down to the devil being in the details. if joe manchin says, look, i want to keep the corporate tax rate to 25% down to 26.5% produced by the house. if they have a corporate minimum
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tax, 15% with real teeth in it, that could offset that. this is where the details matter. folks realize you can't have trillions of dollars of spending and say it's not going to cost anything despite it's what republicans have done every time there's a trillion dollar tax bill passed through reconciliation. they don't even bother with the math and that's one of the things that's led to cynicism about this scoring. >> john avlon helping us makes sense of this. here we are in the wee hours. i appreciate that. the white house says work resumes tomorrow morning first thing, okay? look at what's up on your screen right now. this is from representative josh gottheimer. he says it ain't over yet. this is just one long legislative day. we literally aren't adjourning. negotiations are still ongoing, and we're continuing to work, as i said earlier, grabbing some gatorade and red bull.
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he is on the same red bull plan that i am. hopefully his is like mine, sugar free. okay. so, the question is how much longer are they going to go on? what happens next? what's in the bill? what would it mean for the american people?
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someone is feeling better. get your shoes. alright! try the new vicks convenience pack. the breaking news on cnn, no vote tonight in the house on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. the house speaker nancy pelosi deciding not to put the bill on the floor after negotiations all day and well into the evening. the white house says that talks will continue tomorrow morning first thing. i want to bring in now the host of public radio's "marketplace." kei! >> don. >> good evening.
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>> wow. this is -- i mean, this is like sports, right? >> down to the 50 yard line and now they're down at the 10, right? so, no vote tonight. at the center of all this, the president's build back better plan, including things like universal pre-k, support for child care, free community college, pell grants, paid maternity leave, expanding the child tax credit, expanding medicare. progressives want to spend $3.5 trillion. manchin's top line, he says, and it's been for a while, $1.5 trillion, right? >> yeah. >> what's likely to make it into the final bill and how much do you think? >> look, i think you've got to go back to what harwood was saying a minute ago. there are going to be ways they're going to figure out how to limit this, whether it's by means testing or data expiration. they're not going to get $3.5 trillion worth of stuff. so, they're going to have to figure out how to pick and choose what they can get. and the important part to realize here -- and you don't hear this a lot -- this is
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$3.5 trillion over ten years, right? i need to put that into context. $350.01 year for ten years. depending on budget this year, $768 billion. do that over ten years, $7 trillion. let's just contextualize in the scale of the whole economy we're talking about. that's the important part. >> meaning? >> meaning we have capacity. we have capacity to do. this let's look at what the borrowing situation is going to be, if the government can figure out the debt limit, which is probably a thing you and i ought to spend time on before i get out of here. the government can borrow. interest rates are low, they're going to stay low for the foreseeable future, not forever. so, we can afford this borrowing now. and it is a slow slice of gross domestic product that the government is looking -- the democrats -- are looking to spend here. and i think the challenge for
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democrats is figure out a way to get as much they can in the time period they have allotted so they can make it work. >> $1.2 trillion for infrastructure. >> yeah. that's the hard infrastructure. >> billions of dollars for roads and brinls. it's on the screen there. power grid, high speed internet, clean water, public transit, airports and plenty more. we need that. we need to compete. when you look at other countries, they're far ahead advanced when it comes to infrastructure like that. how quickly could america start seeing the impact? >> as soon as the government can get the money out the door, you're going to start seeing it. $1.2 trillion, $1.5 trillion is just a fraction of what is needed to fix this economy. think about broadband, rural broadband, schools and work and services who can't do jobs
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because it's changing so much because of this pandemic. it's also clean energy. it's also water infrastructure. all of these things that very to have if we want to make it in a 21st century economy because we're trying to do this now in some cases with 19th century infrastructure. >> yeah, yeah. amen, amen. >> it doesn't make sense. >> so, congress voted to avoid a government shutdown ahead of the midnight deadline. the other big deadline that we have on the horizon right now is the debt limit. >> right. >> if republicans continue to play games and let the u.s. default on their bills or a political stunt, what would that do to our economy? >> well, hang on, i think we have to be clear. i don't think the republicans are playing games at all. i think senator mcconnell is dead serious he is not going to let his caucus in the senate take this vote. they are not going to vote to support a debt limit rise, even though it's traditionally been bipartisan and part of the debt they're paying off -- because remember raising the debt limit is not future spending.
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it's bills we've already accrued. >> 97% of it. >> exactly. that has already been done by republican and democratic administrations. let's talk about what happens here. if as we approach the 18th of october, which is what secretary yellen says it's going to be when she can't find more money to pay the bills, you're fwog to see in that week, ten days prior, you're going to see interest rates inching up. if we get to the 18th, what's going to happen? the treasury secretary, because it is her job to pay the bills, the first thing she's going to pay is interest on all the bonds and notes and bills that we have sold off to pay our debt, right? she's going to protect the credit of the united states. but if she can't borrow more money, she's not going to be able to pay social security, military, med ticare and medica, anybody who gets payments from the government. those are going to start to reduce in proportion to how long it takes the congress, republicans, to figure out they
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have to raise this limit. there was a study out not too long ago. you might have seen it. it's going to cost 5 million jobs and $15 trillion in wealth in this country if it goes on for 30 days. >> they're not playing around. that's deadly serious. kei, always a pleasure. we don't get to see you enough. come back late and often. you know. you get it. we're on late. we appreciate it. bye bye. new body cam video out showing police talking to gabby petito alone after she and her fiance brian laundrie were pulled over by police next. ream. i made a financial plan to live it every day. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at
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can your internet do that? so, we have more breaking news to report to you tonight. cnn obtaining additional body cam video of gabby petito speaking to utah police -- a utah police officer during a traffic stop in august, where she describes a physical encounter with brian laundrie. also tonight police records showing they were called to laundrie's florida home multiple times before and after petito was reported missing and after laundrie himself disappeared. i want to bring in stewart kaplan. dave aaron burg is there as well. he's a state attorney for palm beach county, florida. gentleman, good evening to you. cnn has obtained this additional
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body cam footage from the mow abpolice that shows gabby petito and brian laundrie after they were pulled over. gabby is crying, clearly very upset. let's listen. >> did he hit you though? it's okay if you're saying you hit him. i understand if you hit him. we want to know the truth if he hit you. where did he hit you? don't worry. >> my face. like, i guess -- he didn't hit me in the face. he didn't like, punch me in the face or anything. >> did he slap your face or what? >> i guess, it was like with his nail, liit's like a nail, when touch it it turns. >> gabby says she hit him first and he grabbed her face and was
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scratching her and she's terrified and upset. what do you say when you see this video? >> tells me two things, first answers the question of whether the police on the scene got the message from the 911 dispatchers that brian was seen to be hitting gabby. remember, there were two caller who is called in. it's clear now that they got the message. they knew about those witnesses. and secondly it tells me that the police had probable cause to arrest brian. if anything, they were closer to arresting gabby that night because they saw scratches on brian's face from gabby. but here it now tells me if they wanted to arrest brian, they could have done so. gabby admitted it but like many domestic violence victims, she tried to blame herself. >> stewart, let's talk about the police and what's happening with the laundrie family because police were called to the laundrie family -- the florida home multiple times around some key dates. and it's had a lot of dates here. please bear with me, key dates.
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one was on september 10th. we have there were two police calls relating to the laundrie home. the next day on the 11th, pet toe is reported missing by her family and there are three calls. then there is september 14th. that's the last day brian's family said they saw him. and there is one police call related to the home. and we have september 17th. that was the day brian's parents reported him missing. there are four police calls relating to their address. so, these flurry of phone calls relating to the laundrie family home, what does that tell you? >> so, let's talk about the ones before september 11th. those seem to be agency assist calls. that indicates that they got calls from new york, meaning through the petito family, that now was in contact with local law enforcement up in long island. and the long island authorities were reaching out to the florida authorities to basically do a welfare check or to do a check
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or inquiry of the laundrie family to see if they knew anything about the whereabouts of gabby petito. thereafter, most of those calls following, as you referenced, seemed to be more of trying to keep the peace in the neighborhood and on the street with respect to now the media spending a lot of time outside the laundrie home, et cetera, et cetera. but it is important that apparently it does indicate that the petito family, prior to quote/unquote, the official disclosure of her being deemed missing, they were already in contact with local law enforcement up in new york prior to september 11th. and that precipitated them reaching out to law enforcement down here in florida. >> gentlemen, listen, i wanted more time to spend with this, but we had big breaking news that we had to get to that involves the future of the country. thank you both. diversity training, antiracism, woke, just some of the words a wisconsin
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okay. so, this is a next level you know what here. the wisconsin assembly passing a bill this week that would effectively ban schools from teaching critical race theory, which isn't exactly taught to kids anyway. the bill doesn't mention critical race theory by name,
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but the authors of the bill sure have. one coauthor saying that clt is quote, the opposite of mlk, jr.'s treme. another saying it would ban clt, and terms like antiracism, cultural awareness, structural racism, woke and as the list is scrolling, it goes on. so, joining me now, wisconsin attorney general josh kaw. yeah, banning stuff. i thought -- anyway. i'll get into that. mr. attorney general, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. let's take a look at the bill. one part reads it would prohibit teaching students quote that an individual by virtue of an individual's race or sex bears responsibility for committing acts by other individuals in the
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past. does that sound like a dog whistle of critical race theory? >> the language of the bill is essentially a trojan horse. the bill is written in a way that probably is not objectionable in and of itself. as you referred to just a minute ago, there's a laundry list of words the author has identified as being violations of this new law. and it includes things like equity and social justice and a number of the other terms you mentioned. what this really would be doing is putting an enormous burden on our teachers, and this bill doesn't trust our teachers to do their jobs. >> these are conservatives, right, who are doing this? >> that's right. i believe this was passed on a party line vote. >> so, i thought conservatives didn't believe in censorship or banning things or cancelling things? >> this is cancel culture on display here. that's right. >> go on. what did you say? >> this is cancel culture on display here. i mean, this is an effort to stop our kids from learning
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about concepts that are important for them to learn about, including pieces of our history. >> yeah. so, the language is so broad, it seems like this bill would criminalize any teacher that ran afoul of a parent. how do you teach basic american history with the threat of lawsuits hanging over your head? >> it would be really difficult. and what's really concerning about this bill -- >> oh, we lost -- >> -- critical concepts and being able to teach about equity, for example. >> yeah, yeah. we lost you for a second but we have you back there. this still has to go through the state senate. then the governor would have to sign off on it. do you think it has any chance of becoming law? >> i'm very confident that our governor is going to veto this bill if it comes to his desk. i frankly hope the bill stops where it's gotten. we need to empower our teachers to work with our kids. we've got great teachers.
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let's trust them rather than letting the legislature put this list of banned words in the state statutes. >> what has happened to -- why have people become so ignorant? what is this? they're spending all this time working on something that they know won't happen just to appease their base. it speaks volumes about the divide in our country. and this is what our politicians are spending time on. >> yeah, you know, the purpose of our government is to solve problems. and there is no problem this is solving because, as you mentioned in the opening, this isn't something that's being taught in k-12 schools. what this is about is trying to divide people and to use race as a wedge to pull people apart and to focus on issues that are not being taught in schools and distract people from issues we do need to make progress on, like gun safety legislation, like universal background checks. >> well, mr. attorney general, i
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appreciate you joining us. this is fascinating. we'll see. you don't believe it'll pass, but one never knows in this day and age. you can't say stemmic. okay. thank you, sir. best of luck to you. i mean, really? a deaf man slammed to the ground, a 75-year-old tased without warning, multiple lawsuits coming at one police officer. those stories next.
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a deaf man in colorado filing a lawsuit alleging mistreatment because he could not hear the officer's commands and they did not recognize his deafness. brady's arrest captured by police body cam video. he's also suing government officials while in jail for four months following his arrest. more on this story from cnn's lucy cavanaugh. >> reporter: in september of 2019, two colorado police officers pulled into a parking lot of an idaho springs laundry matt for a traffic stop after a car allegedly runs a stop sign.
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>> sit back in your car. >> reporter: the driver then 24-year-old out of his car. >> excuse me? who do you think you are. >> reporter: officers nicholas and ellie summers slammed him to the ground. >> tase him. >> reporter: in a statement, police say that he resisted and assaulted an officer and that a physical altercation took place, adding that one of the officers was injured with a broken leg. but there was a different reason for his confused behavior. mystic couldn't hear them. he's deaf in both ears and primarily uses american sign language to communicate. at the hospital, he explained his actions. >> i didn't know that i was the one -- i didn't know what the reason was, but i couldn't see. >> i understand that. but you should have stayed in
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your vehicle. >> i'm surprised. what am i going to jail for? >> resisting arrest and assault in the second degree. and a stop sign violation. >> reporter: mystic spent four months in jail only to have this charges against him dropped. now he is suing arguing that police violated his civil rights when they arrested him without warning. >> they didn't stop behind the vehicle to let him know that, hey, i'm pulling over. they allege to have observed my client running a stop sign a block away from a laundry dms mat where he was intending to go. it was determined the officer's actions were appropriate. officer hahning was accused of excessive use of force. in may, hahning was involved in a brutal incident where
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75-year-old michael clark was tased at his home without warning. according to a lawsuit filed in federal court this july, this officer was accused of putting a knee on clark's neck and causing an injury to his artery that required surgery. body cam footage shows him cupping the man after he lays facedown. >> what is your first name? >> mike. >> reporter: he has been charged with third degree assault and is no longer employed by the police department. cnn denver. >> wow. lucy, thank you. thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues.
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the whole thing could crater. we're joined by congresswoman jayapal. she certainly made those promises to make child care more affordable, make paid family leave the law of the land. it's all in accordance with a spending bill that, agree with the politics or not, would map out social benefits since medicare. what happens in the next hour or so could pave the way for that or it could scuttle programs, perhaps cripple the biden presidency and leave people vulnerable in the next election. as they try to pass another infrastructure bill by the senate, they say it must pass before taking up the soc


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