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welcome to a brand new hour. i'm victor blackwell. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. currently at stake, that $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill and that $3.2 trillion safety net bill. >> the democrats say they and the white house have agreed to a framework to pay for the massive reconciliation package, but it's unclear what that means and how they plan to raise the funds. >> first they have to avoid a government shutdown and raise the debt ceiling.
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they have one week to do that. if they don't the country will default on the national debt for the first time. >> you have a vote about details. tell us about it. >> reporter: the house budget committee will meet on saturday to take up that massive $3.5 trillion plan to expand the social safety net. this is not the final deal because they are still negotiating the final deal, but the democratic leadership wants to try to make it clear that they are moving forward on this process ahead of a separate vote, a key vote that's happening on monday. it is tied to this vote that would approve the senate-passed infrastructure plan. that was approved by the senate in august, it's been awaiting action in the house, but the house is worried to pass it in
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case it tanks, but the leadership is trying to convince progressives that ultimately this will become law and there are changes that will be negotiated. whether they go along with it remains to be seen. there are some leaders and key members of the tax writing committees about how to pay for this plan. they have a number of options in how to pay for this plan. there are still details here, including what the overall price tag would be, and when i asked pelosi about that price tag, she made it very clear that has not been agreed to. have you settled on an overall price tag? >> no, this is not about the price tag. this is about what's in the bill. what's in the bill. for children, what's in the bill. universal pre-k, child care, child tax credit, medical leave for their families, protecting
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the planet for them. it's about specific legislation. how much does that cost? how do we pay for it? >> reporter: so there's still so many questions, and one of the questions will democrats who actually have to vote for this sign off on this? we expect white house staff to meet with moderates in the house and the senate over the next day. we've heard discussions continuing about what they can expect, also what the progressives can expect. ultimately they have to write it and vote on it, so democrats are suggesting momentum here but so many details still to be written. >> now let's get the white house perspective. phil, what did the president get out of that flurry of meetings with lawmakers yesterday? >> i think he laid the groundwork for what comes next, and that might not seem like nearly enough given the compressed time window that republicans and democrats are dealing with and given the scale of the president's agenda.
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given the feelings about the domestic agenda, they will be engaged if not just today, but the course of the next several days, and the idea is not just to fuel problems and concerns and try fto figure out how to address them one by one but try to move the white house as well to an actual outcome here. that's what i'm told by members in the meetings with the president that there is a top line here. what can we do to get to an outcome? they will be in that meeting the next couple days and that includes that framework that manu laid out. there is not a lot there. there has always been a menu of revenue options. the house ways and means committee already wrote one up,
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and the idea is to show there's something, but will that action happen in the next four or five days as it needs to? certainly that push is out there publicly but also behind the scenes. turning now to the hunt for brian laundrie who has not been seen for more than a week. police are still scouring the 25,000-acre natural reserve near his home. >> a neighbor said he last saw him on september 10. what else did this neighbor say about brian and the laundrie family? >> reporter: we're hearing from a woman named karen abertz. she lives across the street from the home where gabby petito lived with brian laundrie and his parents. she is saying it was on the evening of september 10 when she
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saw the laundries, brian and his parents out on the front lawn, and she said everything looked pretty normal to her. also remember this was the same weekend that gabby petito's parents in new york filed a missing persons report on their daughter, and this is also just a week and a half after brian laundrie just showed up to his north port, florida home without petito. abertz is telling cnn that nothing appeared out of the ordinary. take a listen. >> i saw him and the family in the neighborhood out in the front yard. i just thought maybe they were going for a walk kind of thing, so never thought anything about it. >> reporter: now, this neighbor, aberts, also telling cnn that earlier in the summer she did see gabby petito and laundrie out working on that van they ended up taking on this cross-country trip.
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they were working on converting the van. she also said she saw them sitting in the van and laughing while they were working on it earlier this summer. and she also commented that the laundries are very nice people. back here at the carlton reserve, we are in the fifth day of the search for brian laundrie. still no sign of him. this is video that was provided to us by the north port police, and it shows them on a swamp buggy still combing the area. not clear how long they're going to be here, focusing on this area for brian laundrie after the divers were here yesterday and their search turned up nothing. victor, alisyn? >> andrea walker there near the search site, thanks so much. let's bring in criminal analyst j.c. jordan and steve north. i want to start with ka
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karyn aberts there. is there value in hearing, everything seemed fine, looked like a nice family, i last saw them on the 10th. what does it mean to you? >> it is actually very valuable, because what happens is, one thing you do in the fbi, one thing people make a profession of, in fact, is assessing threat levels. is this person dangerous, is this person not dangerous? the thing about that is, though, there is never just a movie of somebody's life. all you get is a snapshot. and him being out, being cordial and having fun on the 10th is just one snapshot. on the 27th, you have no idea where his mind was. and one thing you tend to see is a progression. you're looking for basically their good nature, their issues to degenerate into more violence, more frustration, and that is how you actually track these things. the problem is not everybody who
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is potentially dangerous is monitored by professionals. >> casey, brian laundrie is not been seen for roughly 10 days. most people would not be able to survive alone in the outdoors for 10 days. but we do know that they camped and spent time in the outdoors. maybe that changes your perspective. where do you think he is? what do you think happened to him? >> that's the unanswered question. they have combed this natural reserve for ten days now and have found nothing. it's a swamp, there are mosquitoes, no one would want to camp there. so no one really thinks he's camping there. his parents expressed they're afraid he went there to harm himself, opening up the idea that maybe he's suicidal. i think the prevailing theory as time goes on, as he's not located in the preserve which they've been scouring and
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scouring all this time, that it is just a red herring. and maybe the parents are even in on it. maybe the mustang got parked there overnight on purpose to make you think he was there to waste time while he actually escaped and went on the lam as a fugitive from justice. so the real question is, are they wasting their time or is this something they have to check out thoroughly? frankly, i haven't heard they have anything of a plan b of where to look for him. be clear that fbi and everyone is looking for him. we had a few sightings that turned out not to be him, but i guarantee that is how he would be detected if he is, indeed, walking this earth. people will see him and recognize him from social media and call authorities. >> on that point, steve, he's still classified as a person of interest here, nothing more than that. why isn't he a suspect, and is there really any significant distinction in the search considering, as casey said,
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everybody is looking for him. if he became a suspect, would that intensify the search at all? >> i don't think it would change the search at all, but casey is right, this could be a red herring. he could have dropped the car off in the opposite direction of where he went. i fear for the position the parents may be in, but everybody has to make a choice whether they'll do the right thing or whether they'll do the wrong thing. it would not change things at all if he was, at least as far as the search goes, change from a person of interest to a suspect. here's why it's this way. if you turn to a suspect, you have to release court documents. >> okay. >> casey jordan, steve moore, thank you both. we're turning to breaking news now, going back to the southern border. matt rivers in cunia, mexico.
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you're showing us a long line of people. what are you seeing now? >> reporter: basically what happened just a half hour ago or when we were doing the live shot last hour, there were about ten migration officials that kind of formed a line on the riverbank on the mexico side and they were preventing people from coming. people here in the camp on the mexico side are clearly scared they won't be able to get to the u.s. remember that people were coming here to mexico because it was easier to get supplies. water, food, it was less crowded, there were bathroom facilities, clearly with the thought, though, they didn't want to stay in mexico. there's been a rush here with a few dozen people, i would say over the last 20 minutes, where people are basically coming from the camp just up the riverbank behind me to the water trying to cross. if you'll remember, before there was a rope that tied both sides from the mexico side to the u.s.
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that rope has been cut. it's even hmore difficult to cross. these are families with small children and they're making their way across in a rush. you can see these two guys are turning their backs to us because they don't want to be seen, but these are law of offi officials, so that's the law enforcement here, and these are the people that have clearly sent a message to those on the mexico side saying this constant back and forth that we've been showing you over the last two days or so, that's not going to happen much longer. and that's why you've seen this rush of people trying to get over there. it's just emblematic of how fluid the situation is, things were calm. it's just emblematic of how quickly things can change with
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what we're experiencing on the border. >> that river we're seeing behind you, is that the normal condition of it? you were telling us earlier that some people can be swept away. right now it looks fairly low, it looks like they can make it across, but it seems like it shifts. >> reporter: it's a good question. right now it is generally lower. further upstream there are dams and regular releases of water from those dams. yesterday when we saw people being swept away, the water was much higher. we can show you, this is a small child here, that's a toddler that's going to be carried across by her family carrying basically what they have on their backs here. you know, this is something we've seen over and over again, small children being carried back and forth across the last two days, but clearly these people going back to the u.s. probably for good at this point willing to risk deportation. getting back to the river level, the river is lower than it was at this time yesterday, and that's a good thing for these migrants because it's a lot less
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dangerous. frankly, it's a good thing for the border patrol that they don't have to perform the high water rescues that we saw, or at least throwing the line into the river that had risen to save that guy we saw yesterday. this could change quickly. we saw water levels rise quickly after water was released from a dam upstream. not happening today, but like i said to you, in just about every way the situation can change so quickly here along the u.s.-mexico border. >> i don't know if my mic was on when i mentioned it to alisyn, when we spoke with josh who was on the other side of the river, there were state and federal officials who have a line of vehicles much like the line of people on your side of the border. i'm not seeing anybody, or i'm not seeing the full shot now of anybody walking up that hill and getting past those officials. can you tell me if they're getting past those cars?
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>> let me zoom in on the other side of the river here. you can see all the migrants arriving on that side of the river. they're being allowed to come up on the bank and they'll basically make a left there. further up the river, that's where the encampment was. the texas department of safety officials are still there, border patrol is still there. they're allowing these people to come on shore, and i don't know if we can see the border officials. right to the right there is a blue boat and you can see those guys actually have life preservers on, and they have those orange aligns that they have had in their hands. that's what they throw into the water just in case someone gets swept downstream. they're clearly letting people come in to go eventually to that encampment. what they're not letting people do is walk freely into the u.s. that's fairly consistent with what we've seen along the river, basically allowing migrants to cross the river, go to the left
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where they've been reporting for a few days now. >> matt, just so we understand what's happening, are you saying the human wall on your side of the river that the customs agents and law enforcement formed right there at the start of the river has deterred people on the mexican side from hanging around, and all the people there are now going back because the show of force on the u.s. side doesn't seem as impenetrable. >> basically what's happening now, with the mexican physical presence on the other side of the river, they want these haiti migrants to go somewhere, whether it's a shelter set up for processing. that will likely lead to deportation, but clearly mexican authorities are trying to wrap up what's happening here on this side. they set up about ten officers on this side of the river, and for a little while, they were
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preventing haitians who wanted to go to the u.s. side, they prevented them from walking in the river. about a dozen haitians came up, realized what was happening -- i think word spread through the camp that officers have arrived in force. there is a group fompling right there. there are several haitians not being allowed to come down. these are more heavily armed officers than they've seen before, and they're walk ingwith down along the wall. so a group managed to make it, but at this point, haitians are not allowed, at least right now, to cross. there are a couple more migrants here behind me. they're going to be coming back. we'll see what happens as they try to go back into mexico.
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> he's saying he took three months to get from brazil where he was living -- [ speaking foreign language ] >> so he left haiti about five years ago, made his way to brazil, and then he spent about three months walking from brazil to the border -- [ speaking foreign language ]
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>> he doesn't know what to do in mexico. he doesn't have the opportunity to make money, so he wants to go across to the united states. he's basically going to see if he can come back here to mexico. it's difficult to know. this is the kind of situation we don't know on the border. we don't know exactly what's happening for -- he may try to get supplies and go back to the united states. it's just such a fluid situation, guys, here on the border. it's hard to know exactly what's happening because mexican law enforcement does not seem to be uniformly carrying out policy here. are they letting people across? are they letting people in? some people they're stopping, some people they're not. very fluid situation. >> there's a micro and macro point. macro here, you said it earlier, people are going back into mexico to try to get food, ice and supplies. the u.n. has said that the conditions under that international bridge are deplorable, and if they're not allowed to go back into mexico,
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will they deteriorate even further? the macro point here is that as the u.s. decides what to do with the haitian migrants in sending them back to their country of origin, the man you spoke with anecdotally hasn't been there in five years and conditions are far worse after the recent earthquake and the assassination of the late president, so he's going to a country that's in a worse position than it was before he left. >> you couldn't put a finer point on that, victor. there is a situation here happening which is so fluid, but you said it. i was in haiti right after the assassination of the president there, i was in haiti for the earthquake. that is a country in shambles right now, no question. take those two incidents apart not to mention the gang violence, the corruption, the endemic poverty, so you have that man who went to brazil, found work. many came here due to hardship from the pandemic, epic
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closures, which is why they migrated back here. what is he supposed to do? i guess go back to haiti. what are the opportunities waiting for him there? clearly he tried to build a life in south america -- remember, it was five years ago when hurricane matthew struck haiti leaving widespread damage. if he goes back, he gets deported. whether he gets deported in mexico or the united states, what awaits him when he's gone? so many haitians are worried about what happens here, what happens if they were to go back. you see them carrying their kids on their shoulders. they aren't doing that because they want to do that, they're doing that because they feel they have to do that to provide for their kids, provide for their families. politics aside, for these individuals here it's just an incredibly difficult time in
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their life as they're trying to figure out ways to survive. it's important that we all remember that as we watch these images. >> your images have just demonstrated for all of us watching, they have nowhere to go. they literally have nowhere to go. >> they're in no man's land here, alisyn. >> they're in no man's land. even their home land is no man's land. the biden administration has to come up with something and that's why we're monitoring this every single day. matt, thank you for showing us that in ciudad acuna. it's happening now. a vote is expected any minute on booster shots. at aspen dental, we help you find your happy place like milkshake mustaches high fives and high dives.
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lawmakers are calling it quits in their efforts to police reform. it hit the house but then hit an impasse. he could not get senator warnock to sign on. they are not giving up. >> like many, i'm concerned about the issue around police brutality, and i think it's important we keep the fight up. we may be where we are at this
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point in this moment, but we're not about to stop fighting. >> you don't think it's over yet. >> absolutely not. >> nobody has given up. not on our side. >> jioining us now is george floyd's cousin, tara brown. i know you must be so disappointed. you told me when you last spoke in may how much energy and hope you were putting into this. so what's your reaction to the fact that those talks for the moment are over? >> i'm thoroughly disappointed. i'm upset, and frankly, i'm hurt. because i feel like this family has been -- we've been let down
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by mr. biden. we didn't get what was promised. >> is that who you blame, president biden? >> i don't blame president biden, but that is what i was told by mr. biden, that this bill was going to get signed. i do understand he's not the only one responsible. there are senators involved, and i just don't see how this didn't get done. it needed to be done. >> president biden and vice president harris soon to be pointing the finger at senator tim scott. that's who cory booker said they basically just reached an impasse. have you ever spoken to those senators? >> i have not spoken to him personally, but i would just ask the senate to think for a minute and just imagine that george is your family member who was
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brutally and senselessly murdered in broad daylight on the street by a police officer. and if you can imagine that, i mean, that should be enough for anybody to make a decision that's worthwhile in this case, because if that doesn't do it, i don't know what will. >> what's your biggest disappointment? do you know how it fell apart? >> i don't know canexactly how fell apart. my biggest disappointment is i'm the mother of two boys, ages 9 and 14. and one of my biggest fears is they will encounter the same fate that george did. and what i do know is that without this bill, there is no accountability.
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and as long as there is no accountability or consequences, the police brutality is going to continue. so this bill is needed. >> i've spoken to you before, i've spoken to so many of your family. phelonus, george's brother. all of you were hopeful. even in your grief, you still had the energy to be hopeful. i know you say you put so much energy into this. i don't know if you stopped putting energy into it, if you stopped until yesterday. where does your family go from here? >> i can tell you what we're not going to do is give up. it didn't happen today, but there is a need for this bill to pass. even though we didn't get the bill right now, we knew that
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qualified immunity was going to be hard. we knew that was going to be hard. but there are other parts fortunate bill that we know they could have passed. so we'll continue to fight for that. there are ways this can happen. we're not giving up on that idea of getting some type of legislation to support what we're trying to do for the police brutality that is happening and it's continuing to happen. >> since it sounds like you're biggest disappointment is with president biden, what's your message to him today? >> my message is simply, you know, we were promised that we were going to get the legislation. we were promised that we were going to get the bill passed. and so i just ask can you just
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keep the promise. >> i mean, that would require executive action. it sounds like that's the next move, since obviously legislation in congress didn't work. but, obviously, we will stay on it, and tara brown, i'm sure i will be talking to you again. thank you for your time today. >> thank you for having me. right now we are waiting for a decision on covid booster shots that could come at any minute. dr. sanjay gupta is monitoring it and he's going to join us next.
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vaccine advisors said the cdc is meeting right now to talk about covid-19 boosters. one of them said boosters will not end the pandemic, but we are learning that benefits are much higher for boosting people over 65 than for younger people. that's according to cdc analysis. now, the fda granted emergency use for boosters in people 65 or older and high-risk adults. but the cdc has to sign off before boosters can officially begin. we know people are going in and getting a booster shot saying this is my first one when it's really their third. we could hear this decision any minute now. >> let's go to dr. sanjay gupta.
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doctor, great to have you here as the fda makes its decision. is there any reason to believe that the fda wouldn't approve it for emergency authorization? >> no. it's been authorized and now the cdc makes the formal recommendation, and i think what we're mostly going to hear is more specificity of who actually falls into these groups. we know over 65 is high risk for serious covid. we're going to listen carefully to how they define that. type 2 diabetes, for example, cardiovascular disease, people who have taken certain medications, whatever it may be. that could be a large group. you could be talking 100 million people in that group. then high-risk exposure, that sort of thing. i think we'll get some clarity but i don't think they'll reverse this or change their recommendation. >> i want to put that full screen back up, because the
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groups that fall into high risk there, it says, health care workers, teachers, grocery staff, those at homeless shelters and prisons, et cetera. the "et cetera" could be the largest category here when you consider who is high risk. is the cdc going to make that decision, or are we supposed to take a list of criteria and determine if we fall into that category? >> that's a really good question, victor. i think it's going to be a bit loose. i don't think it's going to be absolutely sort of preordained as the cdc is sort of telegraphed with other things as well. people with high-risk exposure, people who are working on jobs where they're going straight to people's homes, might they be considered high risk as well? i think they'll probably give some answers, but define it. what is considered high risk? high risk of exposure, here's what that means.
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i think these are recommendations. we know by the fda's authorization that safety is not a concern here. it's known to be a safe vaccine so i think they'll get much more granular about defining who is likely to benefit most from it. >> speaking of the vaccine, i want to ask you about pregnant women. as you know, some pregnant women are afraid to get vaccinated. they'll afraid it will do something to the pregnancy. in fact, there is new research that shows the opposite, that it actually provides protection, i guess, in utero for the baby. it's even better news for pregnant women. what do you know? >> yeah, that's exactly right. this has been so interesting to follow, alisyn, because i remember talking to you about this. in the beginning pregnant women were not part of the original trials so that got a lot of people concerned. there were women who became pregnant during the original
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trial, so that was some early data, i'm talking the end of last year. but over the last several months, there is a lot of looking at pregnant women who get the vaccine. now it is recommended by the cdc for pregnant women to get this. safe, effective. but one of the few studies says when a woman during the second half of pregnancy, as they defined it, received a vaccine, not only did the pregnant woman make antibodies that were protective for them, but it also passed through the placenta and provided what's known as passive immunity for the baby as well. so when the baby is born, they're actually born with antibodies. why is this so significant? because there isn't a vaccine, particularly for babies. this is a way to potentially provide some protection. they're at low risk of becoming infected, they're at low risk of becoming ill, but this is a possibility of providing
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protection just because the mom got vaccinated when she was pregnant. >> sanjay, let's talk about florida as we often do in these conversations about virus mitigation there. they have a new mayor in the state and they're moving to a systematic system. a child could be sent back to school if they make that decision. >> this is pre-2022 thinking, i'm afraid. as a parent myself, that's a lot to put on parents. how are they supposed to figure this out? we know it can spread asy
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when paul j.fronzax was a young boy he learned he had been kidnapped as a newborn and two years later reunited with his family or so he thought. now the new cnn film "the lost sons" takes an intimate look at paul's story and the unimaginable journey he has taken to find himself. >> my mom was upstairs. my dad was at work. i was 10 years old. i was snooping around the house looking for christmas presents. i thought, this is a great time to go in the crawl space because i know it is a great place to hide presents. i saw a bunch of boxes. i thought, this is it. the big score, right? it was just papers and things. it's not a present. open another one. bunch of cards.
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more letters. newspaper clippings. i'm like, this isn't christmas. so i looked at one and it said search for kidnapped baby. another one, baby still missing. so i started reading it. and it said paul joseph fronczak kidnapped from michael reese hospital and i saw a picture of my mom and dad and they looked sad and heartbroken and distraught. i thought, wait. that's me. what happened? >> oh, my goodness. what a story. joining us now is a genetic genealogist who played a key role in helping paul fronczak untangle the mystery of his past. where do you begin with a mystery like that? >> well, genetic geneology is a
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revolution in human identification. the first step is to get dna tested. someone like paul needs to get tested at a consumer dna testing company and compare it against the millions of others in those data bases. >> so you say in the film people don't have necessarily a right to have a relationship with their biological family but they do have a birth right to the knowledge of their heritage. talk about that. why it is so important. >> alex hayley talked about that yearning, that need to know who we are and where we came from, our roots. i've seen that with millions of people now with the advent of direct consumer dna testing and genetic geneology. i'm not saying everybody cares about that but there are millions of people who yearn for answers about their self-identity questions, family mysteries, answers in violent crimes.
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there are a lot of applications genetic geneology can help to find answers. and paul's story is an amazing example of that. >> back to paul's story, i don't want to give too much away because we want everybody to tune in and see the whole story but there is a bigger mystery. when he starts diving in to this, everything was a lie. is that right? >> right. >> with paul, he is incredibly dedicated to finding answers but unfortunately for him every time we find an answer for him it opens up a new mystery. while dna testing was able to provide some very important answers it also opened up additional mysteries he had to then try to solve. his story just goes on and on. he never gives up. >> thank you very much for helping us preview this. the new cnn film "the lost sons" premieres sunday night at 9:00
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