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unveiled by the white house yesterday. president biden's strongest push yet to contain the coronavirus pandemic. >> my message to unvaccinated americans is this. what more is there to wait for? what more do you need to see? we've been patient, but our patience is wearing thin and your refusal has cost all of us. so please do the right thing. >> the president's goal here, to get the pandemic under control. and now some 100 million americans are under aggressive new vaccination rules. so here are the facts. federal employees and contractors to the federal government must now get a covid shot as well as all health care workers in settings with medicaid or medicare reimbursements. and finally, all private companies with more than 100 employees will have to mandate vaccinations themselves or as an alternative, weekly testing.
these mandates certain to be the subject of legal challenges. question as to whether they will work. some republican governors are criticizing the president. the largest union representing federal workers has also raised questions. all of this as a new cnn poll out today shows that now 56% of americans approve of how biden is handling the pandemic. but a growing number say they are concerned about covid, the economy and crime. our reporters, correspondents and analysts are standing by to break down all the news this morning. let's begin, though, at the white house. cnn white house correspondent jeremy diamond. jeremy, this was a firmer more aggressive step than i think a lot of folks were expecting out of this plan. break it down. break down what he outlined yesterday and how he plans to implement it. >> reporter: yeah, there's no question, jim, these are very significant actions and they are actions that president biden had previously resisted or been hesitant to actually implement for a long time. president biden relied on the idea that americans would voluntarily get vaccinated and
collectively get us out of this pandemic. but as this did not happen, as the delta variant spread, we are seeing these steps from the president. so, again, one of the most significant steps is on these private businesses of 100 or more employees requiring them to have their employees be either vaccinated or submit to regular coronavirus testing. then, of course, there is this mandate for all federal workers and employees of federal contractors to be vaccinated with no longer having that testing option that had been in place for the last couple of months. also vaccine mandate for educators and federally funded programs like the head start program, for example, and you can see some of the other steps here as well. so, a very significant list here. more action than we have seen from the president before in terms of requiring vaccination for the population. and one of the reasons why is we saw that on -- in the president's words yesterday. that rising frustration that he and so many americans are feeling now as we are still in this pandemic despite having this safe, effective vaccine
that is widely available. but the president didn't just lay the blame at the foot of the unvaccinated. he also talked about those elected officials who are also on that side. listen to those comments. >> there are elected officials actively working to undermine the fight against covid-19, instead of encouraging people to get vaccinated and mask up, they're ordering mobile morgues for the unvaccinated dying from covid in their communities. our elected officials are keeping us from turning the corner. these pandemic politics, as i refer to, are making people sick. >> reporter: and now we heard from some of those republican governors who the president seems to be calling out there, they are calling this move unconstitutional rule, an assault on private businesses, among other things. but keep in mind, about three quarters of americans have now gotten their first dose. so clearly the president here has a majority of the public on his side in terms of getting people vaccinated. jim?
>> jeremy diamond at the white house, thank you. well, president biden says that his plan is also intended to focus on strengthening the economy. for more on that, joined now by cnn reporter matt egan. matt, how does the president plan to get an economic benefit out of this? i suppose a big challenge here is companies are enforcing this, right? how do they do that going forward? >> reporter: well, jim, it's a great question. these are clearly very aggressive steps from a white house that is concerned about the direction of both the pandemic and the economy. now, let's start with this emergency rule from the labor department. it's going to require all employers with more than 100 workers to make sure that their work force gets fully vaccinated, or that they get tested and show a negative test once a week. now, we know there are a lot of companies actually already rolled out some vaccine mandates, including companies like facebook, united airlines and tyson foods. but many other companies have no such mandate, and that's going
to have to change because biden officials say they are going to taken forcement actions against businesses that do not comply, ask that includes fines of up to $14,000 per violation, $14,000 per violation. that's real money here, and that is an effort to get people to actually comply with the rules. now, at the same time, the white house is stepping up emergency loans to small businesses that have been hurt by the pandemic. president biden says that those new emergency loans are going to be up to $2 million. that compares with $500 -- $500,000 current lip. these are low-interest long-term loans. they don't need to be paid for two years. the money can be used to pay workers, hire new workers and debt they racked up. business returning to the office, including microsoft and american express. jim, i think all of this shows why president biden is taking these new vaccine steps.
he clearly wants to protect workers from covid, but he also wants to boost an economic recovery that has lost some steam because of covid. >> exactly. those two issues very much connected. matt egan, thanks very much. well, president biden's clear frustration with those who are not yet vaccinated was evident yesterday. is this plan, though, going to pass legal muster and legal challenges expected now? cnn's senior analyst joins me. ellie, you already have goenz saying they're going to challenge this in court. do they have a challenge? how will this workout in court? >> jim, certainly they have the power to make a challenge in court. but i think those challenges are unlikely to succeed on balance. going back to the founding of this country, one of the fundamental powers of government is to regulate public health, public safety. the supreme court various times over centuries have told us governments do have the power in certain circumstances to require
vaccines. this law doesn't go quite that far. courts are going to be looking at two things. one, is there a reasonable medical need when you look at the spread of the delta variant, when you look at the effectiveness of vaccines, i think that's an easy case to make. two, is there an undue burden put on these businesses? i think the argument there, they're not even requiring vaccines. there is also this option of getting testing. the biden administration will argue there is not an undue burden. that's how i see the balance of factors playing out in court. >> just quickly, while those challenges are playing out in court, is the policy stayed, as it were? in other words, those requirements taken a way, or does it go into effect even while the challenges are underway? >> so, first we have to wait for the actual specific policy to be issued, which we're told will happen soon. and then, yes, people are going to run into court and say, judge, you need to stay this. you need to pause this. look for those decisions to come very quickly. >> understood. okay, errol lewis, the president
is clearly nervous here about the delta variant, about the resurgence in the virus, but also the effect on the economy. those two things key to his approval rating. one reason we've seen his approval rating drop over time here. first question to you, do you think he gets it right here by going to mandates now in response to this? >> reporter: oh, absolutely. look, the president was reflecting a rising anger in parts of the population that doesn't get a lot of news attention. when he says, our patience is running thin, he wasn't talking about himself and his cabinet. he's talking about a lot of people who watch thousands and thousands of people die. you know, you remember here in new york, we lost 30,000 people in a matter of weeks. friends, neighbors, you know, relatives. it's a bitter pill to swallow to see that there are millions of americans who have just decided they choose to disregard the science, don't particularly care about their neighbors, and we're starting to see 1500 deaths a day on average and i.c.u.s being overrun state after state.
so the president gets it right. he's got to sort of be the leader that this country needs, and that includes, frankly, a face-saving measure. it's important to keep this in mind, jim. there are people who you wish they would follow the science. you wish they would have compassion on their neighbors, friends and family. in the end, the only reason that they're going to do what's responsible is that the government told them to? fine, we'll take that, too. >> i get that. on the president's approval ratings, new cnn poll out today on handling covid, 56% approval. his overall approval rating 52%. but interesting, errol, over the course of the polling by cnn which took place over a number of weeks here, his approval was coming down, right, and you've seen that in other polls, too, where you have him down in the 40s. do you see that bottoming out here or is the president in real danger? >> it possibly bottoms out. and frankly, if you're going to take a dip in your approval ratings, it's the year before the elections, before the
midterm elections that you want to do it. so even if he's going to take a hit, this would be the time to do it. more likely, though, i would suspect that the ratings will turn around. that there are going to be a lot of people who approve of somebody actually stepping up and acting like an adult and saying to the conspiracy theorists and the irresponsible pandering governors, we have a country to get back on track and this is the white house that wants to do it. >> all right. we'll be watching closely. ellie hoenig, a errol lewis, good to have you both on. >> thanks, jim. good news, nice to hear. moderna will likely submit request for vaccinations early november. cnn correspondent here with more. a lot of folks have been waiting, particularly parents, when will kids younger than 12 get approval for vaccination. what does this mean for that
time line? >> so, jim, as you said, this is so important. i mean, i have so many friends with children that age. i think you have children that age. it's scary to send your children to school and out in the world unvaccinated. so this is a bit of good news dr. fauci was talking to our anderson cooper last night. let's summarize what he said. he said that pfizer will have data for the fda, to the fda by the end of september, beginning of october on the safety and efficacy of its covid-19 vaccine for ages 5 to 11. it would then take a few weeks for the fda to make a determination whether they can authorize the vaccine or not and moderna is a few weeks behind pfizer. if you do that math, you could say, kind of look and say, we could have a vaccine for children ages 5 to 11 mid to late october-ish, emphasis on the ish. we've seen things as a bit of a funny business during a pandemic. if that time line from dr. fauci holds out, that's perhaps when
we could expect it. jim? >> you're talking about emergency use authorization possibly by mid october. >> possibly. but, you know what, we don't want to hold our breath and wait for that moment. it could be november. things happen. you know what's interesting, jim, you want things to happen in some ways. it is good if the fda says, you know what, we want this piece of information. we want that piece of information. you know, vaccines are trickier in children. they come in a variety of sizes. you want to be very careful. if it's going to be a few more weeks, so be it. better to be safe. >> understood. listen, they're following the science here, right, and they want to dot their i's and cross their t's which can only add to confidence. elizabeth cohen, thanks so much. still this hour, we will talk to a doctor in mississippi on the front lines with a low vaccination rate. they are seeing an exodus of qualified nurses as the hospital is overwhelmed. plus the committee investigating the january 6
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cnn's lauren fox joins us from capitol hill. lauren, what documents have they gotten so far? >> reporter: the committee is remaining vague about what they received. what they are telling us is that this deadline was met with thousands of documents being received by the committee. they also said they are in conversations with the national archive about presidential records. of course, that is a separate process from this. but i think one thing to keep in mind here is that they had asked for 35 telecommunication and social media companies to retain records and preserve them. that's important because as they move forward with their investigation, they may have things that they want to come back to. that's not a formal records request for those individual documents, but instead, it really gives you a sense of the direction that they're going. they also asked some of these social media and telecommunication companies, excuse me, to make clear exactly what their social media and extremism policies are.
and i think that that gives you a sense of the kind of documents they may have received. but again, the committee is remaining very vague. and all of this is happening among the backdrop of house republicans who have been very defiant in saying that these communications should not be given over to the select committee, and that this is a political process. remember, kevin mccarthy, the top republican, said it could be a violation of the law for these phone companies to participate with the committee's request. so, jim, there's a lot of political rhetoric circling as the committee is trying to do its work. but this is really early at this point. and there are many documents that the committee is still going to look forward toward, and there are some that they may even have to subpoena and go to court for. jim? >> so, to be clear, do we know if some of those documents are phone records or we just don't know yet? >> reporter: what we know is that they had asked for the preservation of records. they hadn't asked directly for specific phone records. >> i see. >> reporter: so i think a lot of these documents are dealing with the social media policies of some of these companies that they had asked for those
preservation records for, jim. >> understood. and i know there's a long way to go. lauren fox on the hill, thanks very much. well, ahead of the 2022 midterm elections house minority leader kevin mccarthy and his leadership team are quietly helping some republican incumbents who are being attacked, targeted by former president trump. but the move has put mccarthy, who is aiming to flip the house and become speaker, in the crosshairs of trump's base. cnn capitol hill reporter melanie zanona for more. this is interesting, right, because the president is very public in going after anybody who crossed him, particularly those who voted for impeachment and endorsing folks on the other side of those races. so this is a not too subtle pushback from the house minority leader. >> reporter: kevin mccarthy does not cross donald trump very often. but this this case there is a very specific reason, and that's because the house majority is potentially on the line. some of these impeachment republicans who trump has either endorsed against or could endorse against represent key
swing districts, and so there's a lot of concern in the gop right now that a trump-backed primary challenger could go on to lose in the general election. so mccarthy and his leadership team have been working behind the scenes to prevent that from happening. mccarthy has helped raise $100,000 each for at least five of the ten republicans who voted to impeach trump. he also privately has asked trump to layoff two of them, david val day owe of california, john of new york who could be vulnerable and are both very close to mccarthy. nrcc chairman tom immer has been a fund-raiser for jaime in washington state. this is putting them at odds with president trump and is firing up the base. i interviewed joe kent, the republican who is challenging ja jamie herrera butler. he said he is part of the gop grift, he would not support mccarthy for speaker. so you can see why this is becoming such a huge headache and risk for kevin mccarthy. >> okay.
so '22 midterms are a year away, three years to 2024 t. we're talking about it. chris christie is weighing the future of the party with some veiled comments about trump? >> reporter: yeah, some very interesting comments from chris christie, the former republican of new jersey, one-time presidential candidate and former trump adviser. take a listen to what he had to say at the ronald regan library. >> no man, no woman, no matter what office they've held or wealth they've acquired, are worthy of blind faith or obedience. that's not who i am, and that's not who we are as republicans. no matter who is demanding that we tie our future to a pile of lies. see, we deserve much better than to be misled by those trying to acquire or hold on to power.
>> reporter: so clearly taking a veiled shot at trump and his supporters who continue to push lies about the election. it's clear that chris christie sees himself as a bit of a truth teller. he's distanced himself from trump since january 6. notably he did not call trump out directly by name, an indication that trump is still in charge of this party. >> that phrase, a pile of lies, tying the party to a pile of lies, pretty strong words from a republican. melanie zanona, thanks very much. >> reporter: thank you. coming up next, the white house approves a new plan to work with outside groups to help get americans and others out of afghanistan. plus, 20 years after 9/11, the remains of a woman killed that day have only now just been identified. coming up hear what her daughter shared with cnn about what this anniversary will be like for her. new customers get our best deals on all smartphones. that's right. but what if i'm already a customer? oh, no problem. hey, cam...? ah, same deal! yeah, it's kind of our thing. huh, thahat's a great deal... what if i'm new to at&t? cam,m, can you...?
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well, this morning there is new video showing people boarding what is the second commercial flight to be departing kabul since the u.s. military airlift ended last month. it comes after a qatar airways passenger flight transported more than 100 foreign nationals including americans out of the country yesterday. sources tell cnn that the white house is now approved a plan for the state department to coordinate with outside groups, many of them veterans working still to evacuate at-risk u.s. citizens and afghan allies. cnn national correspondent kylie atwood joins me now from the state department. i've talked to a lot of these groups, it's often a combination of current, former government
officials working hard. they've been having some success. this is a step. if the state department is going to be working with them hand in hand. >> reporter: yeah, it will be a step. i think that this sort of makes it official, right. there have been conversations between these private groups, these private individuals and the state department, but there was also frustration on behalf of these private groups that the state department wasn't paying them enough attention, they felt slighted. they felt they were considered ad hoc efforts if they considered what they were doing to be very significant with regard to the successes of getting out some of these americans recently. so the white house has approved this effort to formalize and organize efforts to try and streamline these efforts to get out americans, to get out legal permanent residents of the u.s. and afghans. that will be led by the state department. notably, however, it comes after the chairman of the joint chief of staff mark milley met with some of these private outside actors earlier in the week and proposed that there was such a
organization that came to fruition. but the state department will lead this effort. we'll learn more about that in the days to come. it's also significant that on that flight yesterday that got out, the qatar airways flight. there were ten american citizens, 11 permanent legal residents of the united states on that flight. we're waiting to hear about how many americans were on that flight that left the kabul airport today. but it's significant that earlier in the week, secretary of state tony blinken voiced frustration, saying that the taliban were preventing flights from taking off from another airport in kabul. yesterday we saw a different tone from the administration when these flights took off. i want to read to you what the spokesperson from the nfc emily horn said after those flights with americans took off, saying, quote, the taliban had been cooperative in facilitating the departure of american citizens and lawful legal permanent residents on charter flights. the administration will continue these efforts to facilitate the safe and orderly travel of
american citizens, lawful permanent residents and afghans who worked for the u.s. and wished to leave afghanistan. of course, a significant group in there is the afghans because we have not yet seen any afghans on these early flights taking out from kabul. jim? >> right. that will be the big challenge going forward. many tens of thousands of afghans who worked with the u.s. kylie atwood at the state department, thanks very much. a reminder that our colleague jake tapper has a new cnn special report about america's longest war and what went wrong in afghanistan. it will air sunday night at 9:00 eastern and pacific time. well, tomorrow when the nation observes 20 years since the 9/11 attacks, it will be the first time we've done so as a nation without any troops on the ground in afghanistan. joining me now is former u.s. defense secretary, former u.s. senator as well from nebraska, chuck hagels. thank you for taking the time this morning. >> thanks, jim. >> you are a veteran of vietnam,
and you saw the dangers of american military involvement in iraq. you opposed the iraq invasion, and in afghanistan, you opposed barack obama's surge there. and i'm going to quote you, you said this 11 years ago in 2010 to the atlantic magazine. i'm not sure we know what the hell we're doing in afghanistan. it's not sustainable at all. i think we're marking time as we slaughter more young people. i wonder in your view, was afghanistan lost long before the u.s. withdrawal last month? >> in my view, it was, jim. and it goes back to what i said ten years ago. we lost our way. we didn't really understand why we were there. i remember foreign relations committee hearings when we would have all the senior members of the bush administration up asking them questions. is this nation building or what are we doing? have we accomplished what we wanted to accomplish? where are we going? do you need more troops, less
troops? and this just carried through for the last 20 years. and it put our military, especially, in a very difficult position because they were charged with doing what we were supposed to be doing, and they weren't getting a clear direction. and i think the fact is really in 2003 when we took our eye off the ball in afghanistan and went to eric, everything shifted. we took resources out. our strategic interests, everything was the middle east and iraq. that was really the beginning of it. and then we just, from there, lost our way. we kept putting more money in. the government kept becoming more corrupt. and it ends the way it ends. the reality is, jim, occupiers can only stay for so long because the people will resist. and you can't impose democracies on other countries. you can't impose our culture on other countries. they have to decide that with you. you can help them, but you can't
decide it for them. >> why did we learn that lesson as a country? as you're describing those circumstances, you're basically describing the lesson of vietnam, right, the occupiers lost to a national movement there, right. and then a couple decades later we start another couple wars longer than vietnam. why didn't we learn that lesson, and have we learned that lesson now? >> well, i hope we learned that lesson now. we don't -- we don't pay attention to history because we're a large, wealthy country. we had a lot of arrogance involved over the last 20 years. we're going to shock and awe everybody. we're going to shock and awe you in iraq and the middle east and afghanistan. it doesn't work that way. the lessons of history are important. they're never exact, but the parallels do reach out to realities of the present. and you've got to understand
that. and it's -- this business is imperfect anyway. and you've got a complicated world. the world is more complicated today than it's ever been in the history of mankind. it was 20 years ago. more people, more interests. we were knocked off balance, and i think that's another part of why we really didn't come to grips with what we were doing and why. we were really knocked off balance. i think we're still off balance politically, diplomatically, and every way. >> you understand the sacrifice of service. you were wounded as well in vietnam. how do you speak -- and as defense secretary, you met with soldiers and service members all the time. how do you speak to them now, to both service members who are veterans of the afghan war, but also families who lost sons and daughters there? what do you say to them about their sacrifice and their service, and what it meant? >> well, i have done that on many occasions unfortunately. >> yeah.
>> and i think i've always taken the approach that when you talk to parents and the relatives of loved ones who were lost in any conflict, you i think focus first upon what each individual tried to do for his country because his country asked him or her to do something special. they didn't have any choice in the matter. i mean, yes, in an all-voluntary army, you have a choice whether you go in or not. vietnam, you didn't. you were drafted and that was it. you try to focus on what the individual contributed to making a better world. and i think that's the most basic and most important thing that you can talk about, because i think that's true. and the politics and the strategy and the policies all get mixed up in that. but keep it focused on the individual and what he or she tried to do and did do to
contribute to make a better world for more people. >> it's a good message and i hope folks at home, maybe they served or member of their family served, hear that message. chuck, thank you so much for your service and thanks for joining us this morning. >> thanks, jim. thank you very much. well, a family of one of the victims from the world trade center will attend tomorrow's 9/11 memorial service for the first time ever. dorothy morgan worked as an insurance broker in the north tower. her daughter nakia says one of her fondest memories was watching her mom do her hair and makeup as she got ready for work every morning. there she is. but after the towers fell, dorothy's remains were never identified until a dna match came through just a few days ago. they're still working at this. nakia told cnn she was in denial for years. >> september 11 on my calendar didn't exist. it was september 10th, september 12th.
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lives. i wonder how you try to get the message across. >> i think the message that we try to convey across the board, even with pregnant women, is that yes, the vaccine is safe and as you had mentioned the studies prove that. it was something that we have to still try to implore people, educate people on, especially those that are pregnant. it is a very unfortunate circumstance that eight have since passed from this. it's still something we need to educate those about and encourage them to get the vaccine despite being pregnant. >> it's amazing the babies were born safely. tell us how they're doing. >> so, from what i know is that the babies are all healthy. they were mostly delivered emergency section. i do not know if they have had any complications or signs or symptoms of the virus, but i know they are all healthy and they are all thriving and doing
very well. >> i know some of them are not in your hospital there, but it is good to hear that piece of good news. big picture, i want to ask you, you heard the president yesterday now pushing towards mandates for vaccines. any company 100 employees or more, et cetera. as a doctor, do you think mandating is a way to go to get to the people who are still refusing? >> i don't think so. it's something obviously in its infancy he stated yesterday. it would be encouraged obviously to decrease hospitalizations, opening up more of what we're allowed to do here in the hospital. not just with covid in our i.c.u., but with it being in its infancy, we have to, again, educate those of the importance of getting the vaccine. mandating right now, i don't know how well it will transpire across the board, both in the health care institution as we have seen before as well as other private businesses. i think it's something we have to assess on a daily basis and
continue to encourage people to get vaccinated. >> i wonder what's working. we showed on the screen the vaccination rate for the state of mississippi. it's just over 40%, which is far below the national average. this is for fully vaccinated people which as you can see on the screen 53.4%. so what works, then? you say education. what is getting through, in your experience, to folks who are still refusing to take the shot? >> unfortunately i think what's taking those who are still hesitant about receiving the vaccine is they know someone or one of their loved ones has become ill with the virus. that has just been my experience here at our institution, here at singing river. those drastic steps i think need to be prevented to allow somebody to get the vaccine or encourage them to get the vaccine, you know. this has been a hot button topic for a long time that we see since the vaccine has been out. and we just have to continue to
push and hopefully encourage those that yes, it is safe, the side effect profile is safe even for those that are pregnant, and continue to try to work with our brothers and sisters and our neighbors and make sure that they're safe. >> well, i wish you luck, man. i know those conversations can be hard and it's hard to convince folks. you certainly see the results here of refusing to get the shot. dr. michael enrico, thanks so much. >> thank you, sir. very, very, very wrong. strong words from justice steven breyer on the supreme court decision to let the texas abortion law, a very restrictive one, stand. hear his comments next.
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says that he is confident that the supreme court will uphold the state's restrictive abortion law passed just days ago. this afternoon the justice department announced on thursday it is going to sue texas over its ban on all abortions after six weeks with no exception for rape and incest. correspondent paula reid joins us now. paula, interesting, because pretty strong comments from one of the liberal justices in the supreme court. >> it is rare that you hear from a justice like this, jim. what is so interesting in this case is this law designed to thwart legal challenges and if the justice department has come up with a lawsuit that will allow the justices to take on this particular case and answer the question about whether this law is constitutional.
now the first step for the lawsuit is a federal judge in texas. we know it is been assigned to judge robert pitman. he's been sympathetic to arguments related to this law, the next step is the fifth circuit court of appeals, conservative on the issue of abortion and then the supreme court. but what is so unique about this law is usually you would sue to ask the justice or the judges to stop the state of texas from enforcing this but this law was designed to get around that so it deputyized every citizen to enforce the law and the justice department is asking courts to stop every citizen of texas from being able to enforce this law. and jim, that is really unusual. now the supreme court has already declined to stop this law once. a majority of the justices let it go ahead. now justice breyer, he was not in the majority. but in an interview with npr. he expanded on his feelings
about this particular decision. >> i felt the last decision you mentioned was very, very, very wrong. i'll add one more very. and i wrote a dissent. and that is the way it works. but ait is a procedural matter so we'll see what happens in that area when we get a substantive matter in front of us. >> incredibly unusual to hear a supreme court justice talking about a case like this. that is live&likely to come back before them shortly but it is unclear if they'll take this opportunity to weigh in on whether this law is constitutional. >> that is four veries by my count. paula reid, thank you very much. president biden is getting tough on millions of unvaccinated americans. delivering a blunt message that his and the nation's patience is wearing thin. now he's targeting the undervaccinated with a series of sweeping new man dates. will the strategy work?
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very good friday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. do the right thing. that is the message from president biden as he enacts sweeping new coronavirus vaccine mandates. his goal, get more americans vaccinated to get the pandemic under control. the new man dates are his strongest push yet. all of it just shy, just shy of requiring everyone in the country to get vaccinated. >> if there are some people who really don't want to get vaccinated but they don't want to lose their job, you have to give them an off lane and the off lane is if you get tested