tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 9, 2021 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
"ac 360" starts right now. good evening. we begin tonight with something mr. rogers said to tell children to do whenever they saw something scary on the news. look for a helper, he would say. with covid in the news and young people certainly scared enough and young parents alike, where are the helpers? that's the question tonight. in the case of florida, some being questioned by governor ron desantis are being punished to trying to help children who are too young to be vaccinated. he put out a statement warning, quote, punishment for anyone trying to help children who are too young. since children under 12 can't get the vaccine, they've been
imploring mask wearing in schools, which is against what the governor wants. tents are being set up in case they need to handle the overflow. the school superintendent recently proposed a mask mandate to be taken up by the board this week in defiance of the governor's orders and schools in dallas announced a mandate today. in south carolina which also bars such action, henry mcmaster had this to say. >> shutting our state down, closing schools and masking children who have no choice for the government to mask children who have no choice to protect adults who do have a choice is the wrong thing to do, and we're not going to do it. we're not going to shut our state down as other states did. mandating masks is not the answer. >> as for what is the answer, he said personal responsibility and common sense are. he went on to say that we are, quote, dealing with a virus that
we know this year. which raises the question, is he really? and what makes him think he knows better than the doctors and nurses and educators, and, yes, parents of school children in his own state. you could ask governor desantis of florida or governor abbott of texas about the schools mandating mask wearing, and where the governor is trying to reverse the action he himself took. for us, common sense means facing facts. >> and leaders have to adjust to the new facts and the reality of what you have to deal with, and so i asked the legislature to redo the law that prohibited those requirements or those options for the school districts to protect the children. and so it was an error to sign that law, i admit that. >> ron desantis is doing the opposite. our randi kaye joins us from palm beach county for more. what more do we know about what
governor ron desantis is doing? >> as you know, the governor had released this executive order banning masks. he did threaten to hold children from schools if they defied that order. he said the state board of ed could withhold salaries for superintendents and school board members who tried to push through mask mandates. the governor's office saying they were trying to tailor punishment to decision makers who led to the violation of law. that's an exact quote. meanwhile, four school districts in the state of florida are defying the governor's order, including broward county, which is the second largest school district in the state, and just today, leon county in tallahassee. the superintendent there has now issued a mask mandate, but earlier he had sent a letter to the governor asking for autonomy and flexibility, and that whole exchange went sideways because he ended up issuing that mask mandate today in response to the governor's threat to withhold his salary, that superintendent
in leon county said you can't put a price tag on my life, including my salary. meanwhile, the backdrop to all of this, not only the hospitalizations you mentioned and the positivity rates for children, but florida has been leading the nation among hospitalizations for children and adults, and as you know, the cdc is recommending universal masking for children and teachers as they return to school, anderson. >> and randy, other governors around the country are obviously at odds with schools around this and the cdc. what other states are you talking about? >> reporter: a couple other you mentioned briefly. we see in texas where governor greg abbott has been battling with districts around the state. just today the superintendent of dallas said he's going ahead with a mask man dadate. they will be returning to school next week. that is the first district in the state of texas to go ahead and defy the governor there and issue a mask mandate. those defying the texas governor's order are subject to a $1,000 fine. so we'll see where that goes.
in stk sk outh carolina, you ha governor mcmaster saying there shouldn't be mask mandates in school, and one city has defied that. they put them on order and now they have voted to have a mask mandate, but the governor there said the city offered rdinance illegal because it conflicts with the state ordinance. he said look at the numbers, the hospitalizations are down, the icu is down, not as many people on ventilators as there were before. basically nothing to look at here. kids, go back to school. you don't need a mask mandate, anderson. dr. richard bessor and also dr. sanjay gupta. dr. besser, you heard governors wanting to get rid of the mask mandate in school. others saying a responsible business wouldn't put people in
a confined space without masks, and governors are fighting to keep it that way. does that make sense? >> no, it doesn't make sense. we've learned a lot over this past year, certainly, about this disease and its impact on kids, and it's worth reminding people that millions of kids have been infected, thousands have been hospitalized, somewhere between 400 and 500 have died. if you go back and look at h1n1, that was a disease that primarily affected kids and the reported amount of deaths was 358 deaths. my point is we paid a lot of attention to it because it was affecting kids. this covid has killed more kids, sadly, than h1n1 did. this is really concerning. we know where i live, for example, 39%, roughly, have been fully vaccinated. there have been schools that already started and had to go into quarantine because, you
know, you had positive tests. some of these school districts not requiring masks, that's happened in arizona as well. we talk about this a lot in terms of who lives and who dies. we don't know the long-term effect of this disease on kids, and just procedurally speaking, we're going to be stutter-stepping our way through the fall if we're not careful with masks, ventilation and testing, things we know work and can keep kids in school. >> dr. bester, everything sanjay said is important, particularly the idea that we don't know the long-term effects on children who have become positive. this notion of governors stepping in and not allowing schools to make the decisions about whether or not children should mask in the local communities, it seems like that's based on the old idea from early on in the pandemic that this didn't affect children, that children weren't really susceptible to covid. with the delta variant, we've seen now more children becoming
infected, more children dying, and there is a lot we just don't know about this virus in children long term. >> yeah, you know, anderson, i think it's really important that we do show a lot of humility here in terms of what we know and what we don't know. sanjay laid out the impact so far. when you have a virus like the delta variant that is raging across communities so rapidly, that's so much more contagious, even if it were less severe, and we don't think it's less severe, the fact that millions more children could get this infection means there are so many more that could end up in the hospital. unfortunately some children who will die. we all believe that the best place for children this fall is in school learning, and the best way to keep that happening is to ensure that teachers and staff are vaccinated, that parents are vaccinated and that everyone in schools is wearing masks. we don't know the long-term
outlook of this infection and we really need to treat it with a lot of respect. >> dr. besser, dr. peter hotez, infectious disease expert in houston, says he's concerned there will be a back to school tragedy in the south and is suggesting mask mandates for all students and vaccine mandates for children 12 to 17 years old. what do you want schools and parents to do to keep children safe? >> yeah. one thing i would say to parents is that you have a choice. there may not be a mandate in place, but you have a choice and can send your child to school with a mask on. you have a choice and you can get vaccinated, knowing that getting vaccinated helps protect you, but it also helps protect your children and others who may not be able to get vaccinated now or who may have an immune problem where the vaccine isn't as effective as you would like to see. i hope that we create space to allow governors to make changes in what they're doing. it's great to see the governor
in arkansas trying to make a change there in terms of mandates, but i think that a lot of the decisions we're seeing have less to do with the science of the impact on children and more to do with the politics of, well, if public health is saying we don't want to do it. >> sanjay, the cdc is reporting that more than 1600 children are now hospitalized for covid. hospitalizations are up more than 20% for the prior week. can you just put it in perspective? obviously you hear those numbers, it's very concerning. what do we know about the effects of this in kids? >> let me show you. we can look at this, how this is sort of the graph over what's happened this past year. i think it's really important. we see the hospitalizations, and this is in the united states, in kids, and right now, here we are in august, we're sort of approaching the peaks that we saw in january, a time where we know respiratory viruses typically spread more easily. so already here in august, we're
approaching that with some 217 hospitalizations per day in january for minors and it's around 200 now. so we're likely going to now have a peak that's the highest we've seen throughout this pandemic. at the same time we know that there are lots of kids who are, you know, hospitalized at any given time. so out of the 66,000 or so hospita hospitalizations that currently people are hospitalized, about 1600 of them are children. so the numbers are increasing. again, i don't think anybody knows what the next few months or even next several weeks are going to look like, but this is supposed to be a time when you don't have as much of the viral spread. i think it really worries people going into the fall. i hear from pediatric emergency room doctors that they're so worried about this going into the fall on top of other respiratory viruses that have already started to emerge early. this is really concerning. >> sanjay, dr. richard besser, i appreciate it, thank you. what parents are telling
republican pollster frank lance about the vaccine and how it breaks down on political lines. and andrew cuomo and the departure of one of his staunchest defenders. day and ty shipping nationwide, and returns right from the doorstep. it's a whole new world out there. let's not keep it waiting. ♪ someone once told me, that i should get used to people staring. so i did. it's okay, you can stare. when you're a two-time gold medalist, it comes with the territory. priceline will partner with even more vegas hotels to turn their unsold rooms into amazing deals.
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as heated as the debate is over something as simple and non-invasive and, frankly, co commonsense that things have been, and the fact that kids have had to get vaccinated against a number of any other diseases. he's been holding focus groups on the pandemic. his latest is bipartisan divide. democrats 64% say kids should be vaccinated against covid, and for republicans it's 46% against. frank joins us now.
frank, perhaps it was or was not a surprise when it came to whether parents wanted a vaccine mandate in schools. they all said having a safe environment is their top priority. what do you make of that? >> there is the ability for common ground if we want it. i think the argument is do you put parents first or politics first? this is a message i say to my republican colleagues and my democratic colleagues alike. you already politicized the issue. you've already drawn these sharp lines. these kids are going back to school in two or three weeks. whether they're going back safe and secure is up to you to make the right decisions. it is not a surprise another finding from the debeaumont foundation, and i urge viewers to go to the debeaumont website because you'll see the entire data. parents who are vaccinated produce vaccinated kids. the communities who have a high degree of vaccination produce schools and classrooms that have
vaccinated children. so save parents, save kids, save communities, save schools, and those that aren't safe in those places where they're not getting the vaccine, particularly in the southern states, they are susceptible and the only bright light that i see -- i'm very pessimistic about this. but a bright light i do see is that the delta variant has changed the minds of people across the country who are hesitant. this is an opportunity here because there is genuine fear, genuine concern. it should not have to be this way but it's what it is. >> and of course we know the longer this pandemic goes on, the longer more people aren't vaccinated, the potential for other mutant variations, variants, continues. in fact, it's inevitable there will be other variants and god forbid there is a variant that only impacts children or severely impacts children. that would be cataclysmic
globally. is there a breakdown you do of parents who support mandatory vaccinations of children in general for a whole variety of the illnesses which kids get vaccinations for in order to go to school -- are there some parents who support the idea of vaccines in general and some mandated vaccines, but just are against, for some reason, this covid vaccine because it's been so politicized, or generally if you're against a mandated vaccine for children in school, is it because you're against all vaccines? >> there is -- we have two opportunities. one is right now because kids are preparing to go back to school, and the other one will come in september. i believe the center for disease control, the cdc, will approve officially the vaccine. there won't be a conditionary
approval, it will be a full approval, and that will convince millions of americans who are not vaccinated to get vaccinated. but anderson, that brings up a point. if you condemn others who want to ensure that there are no side effects, if they acknowledge that the vaccine was developed very quickly, there are responses to that. they cut bureaucracy, they cut corners. 95% of all doctors have been vaccinated. even more than 95% of those in the hospital -- remember this -- if you're in the hospital because of covid, 95% of you were not vaccinated. so we know this, but that's what needs to be communicated. anderson, my greatest fear in all of this is that there will be an anger among those who aren't vaccinated that they're being disrespected and that they're being forced into doing this, and that just makes them more obstinate. i'm also afraid of those who have been vaccinated that lose their cool, lose their temper,
because in the end, if you yell at a child, the child won't listen to you. if you teach them, if you educate them, if you bring them toward you, you can have the greatest impact. so i'm urging the people in the media, i know how frustrated you are. and i know you want to say to them, look, you can't wait any longer, get the damn shot. but that's not how you would get people vaccinated. in the end this is why i'm in this country right now, this is why i'm on your show right now, this is my mission, it's my purpose, it's why i exist. instead of yelling at people, let's teach them, educate them and pull them to make the right decisions for themselves, their families, their friends and their community. >> well said. frank luntz, i appreciate it. thanks very much. governor cuomo in a, quote, fighting mood as few allies believe he can survive the fallout of several dozen allegations of sexual harrassment. on the road to impeachment, when we continue.
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sources tell cnn that aides are trying to convict new york's governor andrew cuomo to resign over sexual harrassment allegations. he said he can wait it out. they described the governor as being in a, quote, fighting mood. this comes as a state police union today became the latest group to ask for his resignation. a female policewoman said he repeatedly harassed her after she became part of the detect acdetective detail. >> reporter: new york governor andrew cuomo possibly facing an impeachment trial. they met this morning to discuss a timeline following an explosive report from the attorney general's office
alleging sexual harrassment by the governor. the meeting comes just hours after this. >> what he did to me was a crime. he broke the law. >> reporter: the woman identified as executive assistant number 1 in the ag's report, revealing her identity. >> i know the truth. he knows the truth. >> reporter: 32-year-old brittany commisso who still works in the administration spoke to cbs news in the albany times union about the sexual misconduct she said she endured by the governor on multiple occasions. >> that's when he put his hand up my blouse and cupped my breast over my bra. i exactly remember looking down, seeing his hand, which is a large hand, thinking to myself, oh, my god. this is happening? >> reporter: commisso is one of at least 11 women who the ag's report found cuomo sexually
harassed over the last seven years. the report also found that the governor violated state and federal laws but stopped short of criminal prosecution. the albany county sheriff's department is now investigating commisso's allegations. >> what he did to me was not normal. it was not welcomed and it was certainly not consensual. >> reporter: cuomo's team did not comment on the interview, but his personal attorney spoke about the accusations on cnn this weekend. >> i will be quite clear. executive assistant number 1, he did not grope her. >> reporter: the governor denied the allegations laid out in the ag's report in a video statement tuesday. the interview with commisso airing just hours after the governor's top aide, melissa da rosa, resigned. da rosa, who was seen as one of the governor's most loyal
confidants was seen as participating in at least one of cuomo's accusers. she did not respond to those allegations. he talked about the last two years as emotionally trying. adding, i am forever grateful for the opportunity to have worked with such talented and committed colleagues on behalf of our state. >> other than that recorded statement last tuesday, the governor hasn't said anything. do we know what he's doing? where is he? >> reporter: anderson, we really haven't seen the governor. he hasn't said anything, as you just noted, really letting his attorney do the talking for him. what we learned from sources is he, quote, is in a fighting mood, reporting that some of his closest aides actually met with him and tried to convince him that it's time to resign, believing that there's really no way out of this. but we're learning from sources that the governor has remained
steadfast. he wants to wait this out, that he doesn't believe his time is up, and he just wants more time. now, of course, that could all change. he could change his mind, certainly, as we see more people coming forward and speaking out against him. the next date, though, to remember, anderson, is this friday. that's when cuomo's attorneys can submit evidence they want assembly members in that judiciary committee to consider as they continue this investigation, impeachment investigation, which we're hearing could wrap up in weeks. anderson? >> brynn gingras, appreciate it. kimberly whaley, former federal prosecutor and law professor in the university of baltimore. we've seen cuomo in a fighting mood over the weekend. he's probably always in a fighting mood, but even as aides tried to convince him to resign, how long can he keep fighting? i'm not sure who he actually views himself as fighting against, but at a certain point,
it becomes a disservice to the state of new york, i assume? >> oh, it's a terrible disservice to the state of new york. think of all the work that needs to be done on the pandemic, on an inclusive economic recovery for the state. but andrew cuomo really has one gear, and that gear is fight. and when this all broke last week, i thought he would take it into impeachment because he -- that's what he knows how to do is fight, he usually wins, and i can't really imagine, although i think it is the wrong decision, him stepping down or not stepping down any time soon. it's just not who he is, it's not in his dna. >> kim, you heard governor cuomo's executive assistant telling what she said happened, her version of it, her account. how much more weight does she give to all of this? >> well, she's not alone. there are 11 that are mentioned in the 168-page report, and this was an independent report that
was actually authorized by the governor's office. under new york law, letitia james could not have started in investigation absent governor cuomo's authorization. so now to be saying it's somehow biased or not credible is very difficult, and as was mentioned in the setup, there are now additional allegations outside the governor's office from state troopers. so this is -- if you read the report, this is not a recent event. this is something that is deep within the bowels, so to speak, of the governor's mansion, and a lot of people propped up this culture of harassment, bullying and retaliation, and it's hard to imagine with this avalanche of evidence that either political or legal accountability won't follow for governor cuomo. >> this accuser says she doesn't plan to drop the criminal complaint that she filed against governor cuomo with the albany county sheriff's office. i want to play what the sheriff said over the weekend.
>> at some point we're going to have our victim back in for probably a very lengthy interview, could be a series of interviews, and at that point depending on the facts and circumstances, we'll sit down with the district attorney and make a decision to move forward with a criminal charge. >> and, clearly, it is up to the legal authorities whether or not they move forward. can you just walk us through the kind of legal trouble that the governor could potentially face down the line? >> yeah, really important distinction there that you make, which is it's not like a private person can press charges, but her willingness to testify is a critical piece of evidence and that the prosecutors could then use to bring a charge. and, you know, new york state law relating to sexual assault is actually quite complicated. there are many levels of potential crimes, from misdemeanors all the way up to felony rape. but the key element is lack of consent. and so groping someone, touching a personal part of her body without her consent, if proven,
would be a misdemeanor, and so that could be potential criminal liability. the report lays out sexual harrassment civil liability for the state of new york potentially under both federal and state law, and then there could be potential civil liability for mr. cuomo personally depending on some things like sovereign immunity, et cetera. but i really think the key element here is impeachment. and unlike under federal law where we saw with donald trump twice, nothing happened because the conviction didn't happen in the senate. under the new york state constitution, the charge itself of impeachment, which requires only 76 assembly members, that would displace him as governor pending the trial. so we could see some immediate action relating to his position that we didn't see at the federal level with the former president. >> very quickly, what is the punishment for groping as a
misdemeanor? >> it could be something as minimal as probation, not necessarily jail time which tends to be triggered more with a felony. and, of course, given his position and posture, again, like we're seeing with the former president, there is a sober element to prosecuting any former governor or someone at that high level that these prosecutors have to take into account. it sounds like there are at least five officers looking into this in new york. >> the fact that the governor's top aide who has been his right hand and probably left hand as well, what does that>> t tell y? >> melissa, you're right, she was probably everything. he didn't make a move without running it by melissa. she is the last one that signals this is over. she is the most loyal person he's ever had, and that she has left means it has basically all fallen apart and the governor should look around and realize that, because all he's doing now
is hurting the state. when your most loyal, hardest-working person leaves, you have to realize the end is near and you're not going to get out of this one. >> christine, you know -- clearly his theory is he's just going to tough it out and that in this day and age, bad behavior, there's so much, you know, information swirling around that people will move on and stop paying attention and that he can just outlast everybody else with shamelessness. do you think there is a chance of that? >> absolutely not. when the assembly democrats met last week, and the a ssembly isa vast majority of democrats, and speaker hailey did a roll call to see who was supporting the governor, not one democrat. he has no support. he cannot wait it out.
and what's happened here, 11 women, a trooper, that really is shocking. he can't wait this one out. he's already lost and he needs to resign. >> christine quinn, whaley, appreciate it. there are real concerns about the recall election. the reason is not enough democratic voters are paying attention, coming up.
california governor gavin newsom is facing a multitude of challengers from his own democratic party along with a raft of republicans and that recall election set a little more than a month from now. there is democratic faithful to keep newsom in office f, but th election doesn't seem to be up uppermost in their minds. kim law with the story. >> reporter: pumped up -- >> you guys got the rip! >> reporter: -- to save california's governor. volunteers fan out across south los angeles, a democratic stronghold. five weeks to go before the recall election in california. >> we got four more people voting no than we have that was going to vote yes or just ignore this election altogether. >> reporter: you just have to reach them.
>> just have to reach them! >> reporter: in a state where registered democrats outnumber republicans two to one, the recall of governor gavin newsom is being met by a collective yawn. >> it's ridiculous. i think he'll still be our governor. >> reporter: unconcerned or unaware about the off-year election. do you sense that people are paying attention or talking about it at all? >> not as much, no. >> they want to, like, remove him? >> reporter: apathy equals opportunities for republicans. here is how the ballot works. the question is yes or no to remove newsom. if enough democrats don't save newsom, a gop section number 2 could win. >> welcome to the first gubernatorial debate to recall gavin newsom. >> reporter: republican
challengers in the debate stressed that enthusiasm is on their side. sure, celebrity names like caitlyn jenner and elder who didn't show up here may grab headlines, and the governor may be campaigning with a bear. the california conservatives believe this recall is a rare political opportunity, a chance to pull off an upset. >> i think governor newsom is more worried than he ought to be. i think californians are angry and frustrated. >> if you're a democrat, it's scary. >> reporter: if you're paying attention. >> if you're paying attention. >> reporter: most are not, says strategist bill carrick. n newsom who won with 60% of the vote is blanketing the air with ads. republicans do have challenges of their own. >> they haven't done well in california in years. no statewide offices, the supermajority of democrats in
both houses of the legislature. closing that gap from where they are in the registration, that is one big mountain to climb. >> reporter: another republican dilemma? donald trump. so toxic in california that on cnn, larry elder jumped through hoops to avoid any connection. >> i have not voted for a democrat since 1976. i'm a republican and i've consistently voted republican, so to call me a trump-supporting radio host, a little unfair is my opinion. >> reporter: california's progressive poll gives newsom the advantage, but in politics, nothing is ever certain. >> after trump, there is no way of, like, ever being sure. >> reporter: and the governor's forces are sounding the alarm saying, hey, look, democrats can win. they just have to pay attention, they just have to care. there is also a number of issues facing this governor. the covid numbers are on the rise here in california, you have wildfires, you have drought.
so a litany of roadblocks, anderson, where they simply cannot predict the outcome. anderson? >> kim law, i appreciate it. the former president's alleged actions of one official to turn false claims about voter fraud into something more than just words. in a closed door meeting on capitol hill, a chairman conducting the investigation, next. ping nationwide, and returns right from the doorstep. it's a whole new world out there. let's not keep it waiting.
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over the weekend, a slow motion attempted coup planted at the pinnacle of the government. as marcus writes, quote, by the resistance of a few officials. and it was just a few. two former top officials at the justice department, general rosen and his acting deputy don donaghue, much of what they said before a committee, was about attempts of a senior department lawyer, jeffrey clark, to use department resources to push these false claims.
just before the program i spoke with the chairman of that committee, senator dick durbin, about the testimony and the investigation. chairman durbin, i appreciate you joining us. based on what your committee has recently heard from these two high-ranking justice officials, jeffrey rosen and mr. >> the pressure was as tough as it gets in this town of washington. here's the president of the united states basically saying, here's what i want you to do, if you can't do it, i've got somebody to replace you. that's pretty powerful. >> i mean, all this information coming the way from the report last week that jeffrey clark, environmental lawyer, had circulated a letter within the department after the election which he wanted to send to state officials to georgia falsely claiming the justice department had identified signature concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in
multiple states, including the state of georgia. he was trying to get the doj to wade pressure officials to wade into results. do you think the public grasped how dangerous something like this is? >> i don't think they do. there were so many bizarre twists and turns in the trump administration. the election happened, the president did not accept the results. he went to the courthouses around america looking for a friendly judge. he couldn't find any one of them to buy his theory that he actually won the election. so then he turns to the attorney general. bill barr, the man who had done his bidding for four years basically said, i'm out of here. i resign. it was a valid result and a valid election. in came jeffrey rosen. who is jeffrey rosen? we knew his position beforehand, but to be at the top of the heap is an important thing at that moment in history. well, rosen buzz challenged by the president and statements before our interviewers made it clear, repeatedly, and, of
course, the ultimate threat, if you don't do this as i wish, you'll be gone. >> and i understand your -- this week your committee is set to interview the trump administration former u.s. attorney for the northern district of georgia who resigned in january. it happened days after a phone call was made public in which then the president was heard pressuring the georgia secretary of state to find votes to overturn the election. what do you hope to learn from that interview? >> i don't know for sure. i'm anxious to hear it. i want to say this, all those appearing before us, donahue and rosen, all of them have done this voluntarily. we have attorneys representing the republicans on the committee and attorneys representing us democrats on the committee taking turns asking questions. it's as bipartisan as it can be. and i want to thank all three of those witnesses for stepping forward. now we would like jeffrey clark to do the same. i'm not sure what we're going to find. we're going to issue a report
and make public as much as we possibly can. but it's been an illumination from most of us to hear directly from jeffrey rosen what he went through. >> if the department of justice had in fact backed the idea of -- that there had been fraud, which there wasn't, in georgia and elsewhere, that's essentially as close to a coup or the beginnings of a coup as one can get in this country, wouldn't it be? >> well, it sure -- smacks of it from my point of view. sometime they take over the whole government and don't even mess around with the people with the titles. in this case, the former president, donald trump, was checking the boxes. he went to the courts. no luck. decided to go to the attorney general. put the pressure on. no luck. brought his mob scene down to the january 6th rally, turned them loose on the capital, i didn't work. he was trying every trick in the book. i'm not sure what was left.
i'm glad he didn't try anymore. >> for people who wonder why these interviews are happening behind closed doors, you're saying they're bipartisan. that would be something that in this day and age the public would like to see. why are they behind closed doors? >> it's a tradition. we do these behind closed doors and make a public report. we're trying our best to make sure we don't step into territory we shouldn't. i don't think we're going to have a problem. the attorney general said two weeks ago that he was waving all privileges as far as our interviews were concerned. and that the witnesses should answer as they wish. that's really a green light. i think most of the information that we received in these interviews, the public will see, and will probably be complete transcripts very little deleted. >> there's also the house select committee investigating the instruction on january 6th. how much overlap do you think there will ultimately be between your committee and the house committee? >> there could be. and i made it clear that nancy pelosi has a bipartisan
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