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the 24-year-old won the bronze medal, her seventh career olympic medal, tieing with -- she said she will cherish the medal for a long time. we will all cherish her. let's head over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> the beam is the one event she did not get gold in in the last olympics, so it was special for her. but for her to come back with everything she's dealing with and all the pressure and medal in the olympics, she's amazing. thank you for the coverage. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." we're focused on covid here, at least until we get the delta variant under control. there is an increasing response from leaders and citizens. the president today went after specific state leaders to change
course. >> some governors aren't willing to do the right thing to beat this pandemic. i say to these governors, please help. if you aren't going to help, at least get out of the way. >> now, biden targeted the governors of florida and texas who both are republicans, but it's about banning mask restrictions in what he sees as acts of political defiance. what we know is those two states account for a third of all the cases in the united states right now. f florida leads the nation in hospitalizations, breaking its own record with 10,000 covid patients in a single day. texas is second in line with more than 6600 hospitalizations. remember, hospitalizations are a lagging indicator. you have to have cases first and then a small percentage of them become hospitalizations. so that tells you something about all the cases they had up to this point. hospitalizations on their own have topped 50,000 nationwide
for the first time since february. more than 80,000 new cases a day, more infections than this time last summer. half the country is fully vaccinated now and yet we still have this many cases. why? we'll discuss with the surgeon general in a moment. how does president biden turn this pandemic around? a national vaccine mandate off the table. not so much as is being reported in some places because he can't. i don't think it's about can, i think it's about should, okay? by the way, on the can level, the legal level, the delay in the fda approval of the vaccine does not help the legal cause for a federal mandate, but this is really about whether he should. the potential backlash. problems enforcing violations. so instead biden thanked companies like walmart, google, netflix and amazon by thanking companies on their own. he says he hopes other cities will follow suit. what did new york city do? it's going to be the first major
city in america toi issue a prof of vaccination at restaurants, entertainment and other venues. why not put it into effect right away? it takes time. you have to let businesses prepare and this is what they decided to do. now, are there questions? absolutely. what will enforcement look like? how do you enforce it? what are you going to do? do they call the police, do you expect private businesses to do it themselves? what does this mean for parents who have kids who aren't of age yet for the shot? are they no longer allowed in restaurants? can they not go into these different locations in the city? what will that mean for tourists coming from other countries? now, before you go too far down that road, remember who the victims are here, okay? the vaccinated are the victims, and remember who the vaccinated are. we talk about the unvaccinated all the time, and rightly so,
but remember, this is about the tyranny of a minority. the majority of this country, people from left and right and center and north and south, all places, all faces, the majority have taken the step to protect themselves and others. don't forget that piece. it's not just about you and how you feel about you, it's about what you could do for others, right? you have rights but you don't have the right to infringe on others' rights. so that's the majority, and that majority has had their rights to work and live as they want infringed upon in significant part because of those who have failed to do the same and help this virus change into what it is now, the delta variant. and it's not a coincidence that so many resistors are trumpers. messaging around the vaccine by trump and co sent the wrong message. even his former cabinet secretary at hhs now gets that. alex azar writes, as i reflect, we could have done more to address vaccine hesitancy.
i'm glad former president trump got vaccinated, but it would have been even better for him to have done so on national television so his supporters could see how much trust and confidence he has in what is arguably one of his greatest accomplishments. even that statement, probably too generous. trump did get vaccinated, but he did so in secret. if you'll remember, it happened in january. he didn't announce it until months later. and he never sold the vaccine up until this day like he has anything else. why not? now, think about how many lives could have been saved if trump made the vaccine as much of a symbol of support for him as his hats. but another key development would also be sending the message that the vax is something to take. over 50% of people who haven't been vaccinated say the fda approving the vaccine would make a difference. the "new york times" reports tonight it could be coming by early next month, approval for pfizer. let's take that to a better
mind. trump's former surgeon general jerome adams back with us on "prime time." doctor, good to see you. >> good to see you, chris. >> here's my problem. biden said fully approved vaccine by the fall, so this is actually faster. no, not really. they've known how important fda approval is for many months, and they've had so much data. they started off with 40,000-plus test cases before it went to 100 million, 200 million people in this country. what is your ideathought that i still won't be approved before next month? >> i lining that they are getting the bureaucracy out of the way. folks need to understand the fda is a big agency and they're having to pull people from other jobs to focus on this. but the problem is, chris, at the rate they're going, it might be a moot point by the time they actually get a license because you could have variants generated that now escape the vaccines. so we're really seeing
hospitalizations go up, lives, quite frankly, being lost because of this delay, and we need to get this vaccine licensed appropriately. but again, as you mentioned, we have the safety and efficacy data. we need to get licensed as quickly as possible, not just for hesitancy sake, but i talked to you about this before, because it will allow companies the legal cover to then mandate these vaccines. even the u.s. military has said that they will not mandate this vaccine until it's fully licensed. >> strong point. also i heard that getting a booster shot is not really practical until you have the trial data. they're waiting on that as well. what do you make of what secretary alex azar said about his wish that former president trump had been more aggressive in his messaging about the vaccine? >> well, i absolutely wish that
president trump and others had been more assertive. as you may remember, vice president pence and i were among the first to get our vaccines on live tv because i felt it was important as a black man to get vaccinated. we know that the vaccine has a tendency as higher in minority populations. i felt it was important for vice president pence, as a well-known republican, to get vaccinated. but yes, it would have helped. it could have done nothing but help had president trump done it more publicly and loudly, and i'm so glad to see so many republicans now loudly calling for it, and i hope it's not too late. i hope it happens before we get a variant which, again, escapes the vaccines and makes this a moot point. >> in the most recent polling, 30-plus percent, the highest percentage of people who were vaccinated, are white republicans. in your time in the administration, why do you believe it wasn't more of a priority for trump and his
people? >> well, what i would say to you is vaccine hesitancy has been an issue long before covid came along. you'll remember that we almost lost our measles eradication status in 2019, and at the beginning of the pandemic, i was actually about to board a plane to go around the country and help boost vaccine confidence. this has always been a problem, but you talked about this a lot. the pandemic came along with a presidential election, and things got politicized, misinformation got out there, and now we're trying to dig out of that hole. and i do want to say that we are, in fact, having some success. almost three-quarters of a million people vaccinated, vaccinations up 25% this week, particularly in areas that had lower than average vaccination rates. as you mentioned, we need to normalize that positive behavior. >> yes, absolutely. as we all know, you know this as well, former surgeon general, the best way to change behavior is to reward when things are
done ricght. >> exactly. >> you now have the southernmost states that have the highest rates of new vaccination. what is the threshold that we need? is it too late or what do we have to see in terms of vaccinations, because as we both know, 70% was really a figurative number in terms of what would give you herd immunity. what do we need to see to get to a place where you expect variant cases in terms of positivity to come down? >> well, we saw the u.k. come down pretty quickly, and i think there is still the potential for us to come down quickly if we can not only get more people vaccinated but also engage in these mitigation measures like masking, like a more strategic level of testing. i think it's still incredibly possible, but i think what your viewers need to understand is this concept called microherds. it's not really about national immunity than it is about making sure within your household,
within your workplace, within your child's school you have appropriate levels of protection so you can prevent spread from turning into an outbreak. so think about what you can do and what those around you can do to protect yourselves. that's how we stop this pandemic. >> kids, parents, there is confusion. some of it is being, once again, politicized and weaponized. they want you to mask right in front of your kids. i don't know why that would be a dirty thing to do, by the way. what is your guidance in terms of how to deal with kids? cities are going to have to figure this out. as i said at the top of the show, parents can't do anything about their kids not being of age to get vaccinated, and many parents are going to be hesitant to get a kid vaccinated when it's not fda approved, but localities will have to figure out what their plan is for kids. but for parents who are confused about what kind of masking to do themselves and their kids have guidance. >> absolutely. i think, number one, if you are unvaccinated, then you absolutely need to be wearing a
mask when you're around people outside your household. your child should be wearing a mask if they're unvaccinated when they're out in public regardless. and if you're in an area of substantial or high spread, as the cdc has said, everyone should be wearing a mask when they're out in public. while it seems confusing, it's actually vaccinate if you can, and if you can't vaccinate, then you especially need to wear a mask, and in you're in a place that is a high spread, then wearing a mask when you're in public will protect you and those around you. >> dr. jerome adams, appreciate having you again. let's keep this going and get the information out there for people and let's track progress where we find it. >> i just also want to say to the governors out there, please, please don't take tools out of the hands of public officials. let that conversation happen on a local level and let public health officials do what the data says they should be doing. it just drives me crazy, chris, to see that we're sending people
into battle without bulletproof vests, to see that we're not letting them utilize the tools that we know work to help stop this pandemic. thank you for having me on. >> thank you for putting that message out there unprompted. surgeon general, thank you. >> thank you. ahead we have new numbers on who the vaccinated blame for this ongoing pandemic versus the unvaccinated. and we have new data on whether mandates would actually work. there is some interesting findings. "the wizard of odds," next. oh um, doug can we talk about something other than work, it's the weekend. yeah, yeah. [ squawk ] hot dog or... chicken? [ squawk ] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i know a thing or two about cars. and, sometimes, buying them can
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now, three months ago only 3% of canadians were vaccinated. but once they got their hands on those doses, they lined up for the shot. now they have more fully vaccinated than we do. they're at nearly 60%. what's the difference? division. the division is making us sick. and that divide is not getting better. the vaccinated are being held hostage by the unvaccinated. and that's going to make trouble. let's bring in the wizards of odds. the blame game. what do we know about it? >> here's what we know about it, the vaccinated are starting to get pretty perturbed. look at this. who do the vaccinated blame for the rising covid cases? number 1. 79% say the unvaccinated. 36% say donald trump. i think there is a little partisanship going on there, and that's especially true when you
see the 30% say the media. some in the conservative media have been spreading misinformation about the vaccine and not telling truth, that is, the vaccine is safe and can help save your life and your neighbor's life. >> remember, though, in the vaccinated group, you have republicans, democrats, independents, because the demographic has taken the step to get protected. yes, you have the overwhelming amount of republicans who are hesitant, but there are a lot of people who represent different stripes. so who do the unvaccinated blame? >> everyone but themselves. here's who they blame. they basically blame who we would expect of folks, of a group that might be for conservative to blame. travelers in the united states, they blame them 37%. the mainstream media perhaps like you and i, 27%. americans traveling internationally, 23%. they're blaming travelers, they're blaming foreigners, they're blaming folks who should
not be blamed. they should honestly be blaming themselves because it is the unvaccinated that is overwhelmingly passing this virus around. >> another reason why i wouldn't be a good politician. i've rarely seen mandates work, especially in situations like this where you couldn't really enforce it. but the vaccinated need to be respected by power and they do want mandates for the unvaccinated. how so? >> look, again, the vaccinated are sick and tired of the unvaccinated not being vaccinated. so the vaccinated adults say the unvaccinated should get vaxed in order to go to college. 77% go to kindergarten to 12 school. or go to work, 6%. this is -- 68%. this is a story across the board. the vaccinated want the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, because if the unvaccinated do decide to get a shot, this
variant would be a lot less. >> but it doesn't mean the mandate is the best way to approve it. i get the feeling. i'll tell you who will like that slide, president biden, because it kind of gives him a pass. go to college? that's up to colleges, not the federal government. go to work? that's going to be federal employers. now the question of the day. does it work? social pressure, mandates. >> maybe. but there is the chance that there could be a backlash. so this is a poll from a couple months ago, and it basically said do the unvaccinated seem unfairly pressured to get vaccinated? a lot of them do, 41%. the majority don't feel that way, but 41% is an awfully large percentage, and it gives you the idea that although you may get some of the unvaccinated vaccinated through these mandates, there will be a good portion of them saying, wait a minute, i don't like this at
all. now i'm going deeper in my corner and there is no way in heck i'm getting vaccinated. i think we need to be careful in our messaging and how we put this across if, in fact, we do want vaccine mandates, otherwise it could have the exact opposite effect of what was intended. >> look, it's an old number. it would be interesting to see what there is now. one, you have the delta variant so people have a better reason than just feeling pressure to get vaccinated and we would see them get vaccinated. so you have a small pool that are more resistant to getting the vaccine if they're going to stay unvaccinated even with this variant out there. harry, thank you as always. >> all i'll say in the end is there is still 15% who definitely say they won't get vaccinated, but that number has shrunk from 20%, so that's good news. and see and we're still going to get to herd immunity, so that
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the beam. she is a testament to strength. it doesn't mean you have to push yourself. if it was right for her, it's great to see. but she took a stronger stand than i've seen from anyone in the olympics. florida absolutely getting hit hard right now, and nobody wants to see that, but it is a laboratory right now for what the variant can do. they have four variants there that are spreading. and how measures in response will matter, especially their pushing back against the vaccine and now pushing back against masks. even as the state just broke its own record for hospitalizations for the third straight day. remember, hospitalizations, that's a lagging indicator. that means you had so many cases that you got that kind of boost of people who were sick enough to go to the hospital. now, its vaccination rate, which was never that high, is falling. the florida governor himself says this. >> these innovations have failed
time and time again throughout this pandemic. if it didn't stop it before, it's definitely not going to stop it now. we have some people who aren't vaccinated that have been admitted to hospitals. are you going to sit there and criticize, or are we going to try to treat and help the folks? i'm just sick of the judgmental stuff on some of this stuff. nobody is trying to get ill here, okay? >> the governor is right. we do have to show places where it's going right and encourage people to keep doing it. in fact, in florida you do see new people who are unvaccinated going to get the vaccine. that's good. the problem is he's been giving out messaging that has slowed down this process and progress, and he has to own that. let's bring in the mayor of miami beach, dan gelber. good to see you, mr. mayor. give us your take of why the situation is the way it is. >> first of all, the governor
needs to own up to the judgment. nobody is accusing him of not doing the things he's supposed to. he's made that part of his campaign. he's i amplemented mask mandate mandates masks for the cruise industry that want to make their customers safer. he regularly, as part of his campaign, ridicules the cdc, dr. fauci. i think he needs to own up to what he's doing, which is basically to do everything the opposite of what local government is doing, like me, which is trying to get our residents to first get vaccinated but also to wear masks now that the cdc says that they should inside. >> i have a question. how do you even know what's happening in your state in realtime when the state doesn't provide realtime data? explain to the audience what changed in terms of the governor's mandate for how the state reports and what that
means to you. >> for me, we would get -- we had a covid dashboard statewide. every day we would get state reports on every aspect and every metric. i would do a weekly or twice-a-week video to my residents showing them the trajectory, the metrics, how many people are hospitalized every single day, death rates, everything, because i felt like informing them was arming them and giving them a sense of what to do. that just stopped. the governor doesn't do anything. i'm on calls with department of health officials where they will read something and members of -- mayors and some local officials will literally say -- this happened just a few days ago, chris. we said, could you give us a copy of that? and they said, we're not allowed to give local officials this information in writing. i'll read it to you, but i can't give it to you. so it's gotten to the point where we're flying blind in the midst of what is really a huge surge that is costing lots of our residents -- i think we're having a hundred or more deaths
a day in florida right now, and in just my county of miami-dade, we probably have 2,000 people in the hospital at this point. these are all new records in florida. >> so you have people getting vaccinated. they're afraid about the delta variant and their reaction is the right one. they're getting vaccinated to protect themselves and others. but if the governor holds by his decision that only parents can decide, not local authorities, what to do about kids in schools and mafrksking, most of them wi not be eligible in the grade school area for the vaccine. what are your concerns? >> listen, he has -- i mean, it's really sort of weird because i think the governor has just essentially made a very sort of brazen political decision that he's prepared to accept the health care, the adverse health care ramifications of doing what he's doing in order to gain some political advantage. and it really is sort of nutty to -- tragically nutty in a sense that -- you know, i have a kid in high school.
i want the local school board to decide whether he and his classmates have to wear masks. he's been vaccinated but others may not be. and the point is that the governor has just decided as a show of, really, just to show off to this base that he's currying favor with that he's going to just stop all local officials from having any impact on this. so our local school board, our superintendent is not going to be able to do what they want to do because he's now threatening to withhold funding from them. it's really unbelievable in the sense that it feels like he's doing everything in his power to make this disease incredibly difficult to challenge and to cabin, and we see it every day. >> i understand the draw politically to say let the parents decide because parents always want control over their kids' lives and education. the problem is if you decide you don't want your kid masked, now i've got a problem. because if i want my kid masked, now they're exposed because of
yours. but the governor has a pushback. he'll say the death rate is lower now than last year. it's still climbing, it's still higher than any of the five other populated states, but it's not as bad as it was, so save him the panic. that's what he's saying. >> it's ridiculous. i follow this stuff as carefully as i can, and you follow this over the last year and a half. we had an incredible surge in florida and then we implemented a mask mandate and immediately it reversed itself. then he started to open everything up, and at the time he also said, we cannot have any mask mandates. he actually banned us from having mask mandates and my city was the first in the country after the cdc said we should do it to actually have a fine for not wearing a mask. immediately the surge happened in hospitalizations. we know when there is a surge in hospitalizations, there is a surge in deaths. and that's exactly what's happened every time. we know in my county, we know in our state that when you implement these countymeasures, and when you message them, more
importantly, which he's not doing, you get a reduction in the virus, a reduction in the hospitalization and a severe reduction in deaths. right now we're going in exactly the opposite direction, and he's e embracing it or at least accepting it in return for what is a very sort of horrible political calculation that this is good for a lot of those that he's trying to curry favor with. >> well, look, the facts tell the story. with his don't fauci florida, and his kind of being neutral to negative on vaccinations, they're 24th in the state, florida, 49%, but it's been falling for several months, and you have to look at the messaging as part of the calculus on that. the good news is right now your people are going to getting protected, so let's see where it takes us and how long it takes. mayor gelber, you always have a platform here to give us the latest on florida. >> thank you. >> let's juxtapose what we're seeing in florida. if a message matters and it's
resonating in society and its dispositioned on taking on the pandemic, then the answer in florida would be vermont. i know it's a smaller state and it has less challenges, but the dynamic still holds, the messaging and the follow-through. let's talk about vermont and why president biden gave them a big shoutout today. what does the health state commissioner there think should be happening all over this country, next. hey lily, i need a new wireless plan for my business, but all my employees need something different. oh, we can help with that. okay, imagine this... your mover, rob, he's on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. we cut to downtown, your sales rep lisa has to send some files, asap! so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee...
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remember he was raising all this speculation about whether he still has the poll. carey is a lobbyist for the coal industry. the long list of republicans he beat tonight includes the one backed by the last incumbent. ohio is one of those states you have to watch in every election, big or small. we'll see if the trump effect
is real in the general election there in november. we're also watching another key race in the 11th district of ohio. this one pits nina turner. that's a name you might know from cnn and a top ally of bernie sanders, against shontel brown, a cuyahoga county congress member who is influenced by the dems. we talk about covid and you have to occupy the sexes to see if we can replicate it. listen to president biden giving props to the most vaccinated state in the country. they may be the first to reach true herd immunity.
listen. >> this past week, the most vaccinated state in america, vermont, has seen just five new cases, five per day of covid-19 for every 100,000 people who live in that state. that means on any given day, only 30 people in the entire state of vermont got covid-19. >> so vermont. okay. i get it,
it's not one of the biggest states, but so what? if you take out the first five or six most populated states, a lot of the states start to look the same. now you have nearly 69% of people in vermont vaccinated. the rest of the country is like 50%. and only three people in vermont are in the hospital for covid, according to vermont's governor. imagine if that was the case across this country and you were free to go out and live and be alive because you did the right
things in the right numbers when you needed to. let's discuss how they got there. we have vermont's commissioner of health, dr. lavine. great to see you, doc. >> good to see you, chris. >> what did you do there that hasn't been done elsewhere? >> we started with a population we call vermonters who really prioritized health. no matter what metric you look at, vermont is regarded as one of the healthiest state. so vermonters are traditionally prioritizing health and they're very cooperative. it's not only their health, it's their family's health, their community's health in a very new england way. secondly, trust is really the key, trust in leadership. surveys throughout the pandemic have shown that one of the governors that leads the charge when it comes to their state's assessment of their performance is our governor, phil scott.
and when you ask vermonters where they go for their most trusted source of health information, it's the department of health. how do you earn that trust? part of it is earned by consistently showing that our pandemic response has been informed by data and public health science, and part of it is by very transparent communication that's very frequent in terms of press briefings and other modalities and that really covers the known but also was very honest about the uncertainty. you might recall somewhere around the beginning of the year we actually had a vaccine. but the supply was very scarce, though the demand was great. we, like every other state initially prioritized health care workers and the long-term care residents and work force. but then we quickly diverged from most of what the nation did and went straight to what we
call an age gratifying strategy, which was essentially looking at our data in vermont and saying, who is dying from covid? it turned out 90% of our deaths were in those that were over age 65. so we were very clear with the data and the science that we were going to prioritize the oldest vermonters first and then sequentially go through each age strata and go further and further and eventually incorporating people with high conditions as well. >> that's intelligent, but i heard that from a lot of different states, they just didn't have the same results. what do you say to the pushback, look, you guys did everything right, but there's only 26,000 of you. you can't compare you to florida, that's not fair. >> yeah, it turns out that's not very true. no matter what the size of the state, you still encounter the same issues and the same
challenges, and you still encounter in a rural state many of the same problems that states that are less rural have. in more recent months when there is clearly more of a demand issue and supply is more abundant, we've obviously transitioned away from mass vaccination sites. we've made all of our pharmacies a walk-in business and not appointments. we've continued to collaborate with our health care partners, but we've done what we call meeting vermonters where they are, what you can do in every state. we've placed so many place-based situations, whether it be at events like parades or state fairs. whether it be at workplaces where we invited ourselves or had the workplace connect with us to find a convenient time. whether it's at raceways or beaches on lake champlain or downtown shopping areas. we do an activity called barnstorming, which is particularly successful in rural areas, and it involves our ems work force literally taking
vaccine from town to town within a county at various times and meeting the population where they are. that has worked extremely well. >> the governor -- go ahead, doc. i'm sorry. please continue. >> in addition, we've focused a lot on health equity, looking at our populations that have encountered racial or other forms of historical injustice. forming very strong and special partnerships with advocacy groups that are really looking out for those populations, providing lots of materials for communication interpretation needs, and really working at a neighborhood clinic level so that the population in that neighborhood can trust the vaccine. >> you guys did that very early on, which was an interesting piece of intuition, because most other states, big or small, waited to see those historical gaps manifest themselves again and then addressed them. you did it in advance.
now governor scott is recommending students 12 to 17 get to 80% with at least one dose. vaccinating kids is so sensitive and controversial, especially with it not being fda approved. how do you intend on making that palatable with parents? >> we've worked with our medical community continuously, pediatric and medical communities who have provided town halls and other educational sessions for parents. we've basically shown through the population that you can get to this magic number of 80%, which we did populationwide for those eligible to receive vaccine in the first part of june. and we've shown them that we're going to be relentless, and we've now, today, crossed the 84% threshold. we basically are making sure that everyone can see for themselves the results of what
we've done in terms of where the cases are, where the deaths are not, where the hospitalizations are not, how powerful the vaccine has been while at the same time showing itself to be quite safe at all age groups without any significant long-term effects which people are always concerned about. >> doctor, you know, several different times we've wanted to have you come on, and we get so caught up in the problem that we don't take the time to highlight people who are doing it right. so i'm glad i finally got you on. i wish you continued success. obviously the delta variant is a curveball. there may be one after it. fates can change. you have an open line to us to let us know what's happening in vermont, if it's working, and what isn't working, why? we're glad to have you here. >> thank you and stay healthy. poisoned politics. they found a way around it in vermont, but there is no
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