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chickenpox. dr. rochelle walensky, head of the cdc, telling cnn, i think people need to understand that we're not crying wolf here. this is serious. health officials now saying the delta variant can spread far wider than initially thought with each infected person able to infect five to nine others. >> it spreads more than twice as easily from one person to another. and it's spreading rapidly. it is really just across the country. and that is just the fact. >> reporter: while people who have gotten their covid shots are far less likely to become seriously ill or hospitalized, the cdc also now making clear the variant can be spread through those who have already been fully vaccinated. walensky calling the finding concerning and a pivotal discovery leading to cdc's updated mask recommendation. >> it was clear that vaccinated people have the ability to transmit and action needed to be taken quickly. and that's why they did it. >> reporter: this month drawing to a close as a turning point in the pandemic. but not in the way the white house had hoped during the july
4th celebration when the president proudly hailed progress in the fight against coronavirus. >> we are closer than ever to declaring our independence from a deadly virus. that's not to say the battle against covid-19 is over, we've got a lot more work to do. >> reporter: and now that sounds like a dramatic understatement with august just around the corner and a dramatic spike in covid cases and limited progress on vaccinations. after refusing to say the word mandate for months, the president now acknowledging he asked the justice department to see if it was legal for businesses to require the vaccine. the answer, he said, is yes. >> and they can. local communities can do that, local businesses can do that. it's still a question whether the federal government can mandate the whole country, i don't know that yet. >> reporter: and white house officials are telling us that a national vaccine requirement is not on the table at this time. but, jake, notice the wiggle
room that is being used in that. this is a dramatic shift from the beginning of the month here in july when the white house really believed they had turned a corner. now they know they are confronting this delta variant. vaccines handle most of this, you will not get hospitalized or sick most likely with vaccinations. but they know in the month of august they'll likely have to take even tougher steps. the centers for disease control and prevention, they're calling it a pivotal discovery that vaccinated individuals can spread the delta variant as easily as unvaccinated individuals can. these details come from an outbreak in a massachusetts beach town. >> reporter: it's been called the canary in the coal mine, an outbreak in a popular vacation destination. 469 state residents infected, largely by delta. and most of those testing positive, fully vaccinated. the cluster of covid cases in
provincetown, massachusetts, is now driving new guidance from the cdc. >> 74% of the overall cases are among fully vaccinated individuals. and i think that came as a surprise to many folks that we were told that if you're vaccinated you're most invincible. i think many people wrongly assumed that. >> reporter: local officials say there have been at least 882 cases linked to this cluster overall. the research showing infected people who had been vaccinated held a similar amount of the virus also known as viral load as those who are unvaccinated. shedding light on the agency's decision to issue new mask guidance, recommending most fully vaccinated americans wear masks indoors. >> unmasking indoors for fully vaccinated people is no longer a safe choice, especially if you have people at home like kids or elderly parents who are higher risk, who are unvaccinated themselves. >> reporter: the study comes
after leaked internal documents showed the virus could spread faster and to more people. >> we have to get more people vaccinated because this virus is better at its job than the original. >> reporter: the cluster highlighting the importance of getting vaccinated. among that provincetown group, no deaths, and only four instances of hospitalizations, two of which had previously health conditions. >> this delta variant is, yes, highly transmissible, more contagious, more likely to have a breakthrough infection. but it's not likely you're going to be hospitalized and you're certainly not going to die. >> reporter: and simply put, jake, there are two main takeaways. the first is that delta is scary. it is far more transmittable than we ever thought before, even among the vaccinated so you need to mask up and you need to protect yourself. and the best way to protect yourself is to get the vaccine. the vaccine prevents more than 90% against severe disease here. so, in this fight against the delta variant in particular, the vaccine could be the difference
between life and death. and you don't want to be on the wrong side of that equation. >> certainly not, thank you so much. let's bring in professor at vanderbilt university medical center, dr. schaffner. this new data zeros in on this outbreak in provincetown, massachusetts. still got sick. they had traces of the delta variant. was that data, along with what we already know about community spread, enough justification for the cdc to change its mask guidance this week? >> well, jake, i think the short answer is yes. the cdc has a long tradition of investigating outbreaks. of other communicable diseases. and often those outbreak investigations by the disease detectives illuminate how a variety of infectious agents are transmitted. this is a very instructive outbreak investigation. as said, this is a much more
transmissible virus, and to everyone's surprise including my own, people who are vaccinated can have as much virus in their throat as unvaccinated people. and therefore the potential for spread is there. the two lessons, if you're not vaccinated, get vaccinated. that keeps you out of the hospital. if you're vaccinated or unvaccinated when you get together with other people, put that mask right back on. it's really important. >> a study in china found that patients with this delta variant had viral loads more than 1,200 times higher than samples that had been taken in the early days of the pandemic. if the delta variant is so dangerous, do you think the biden administration should move to make vaccines mandatory? >> well, first of all, the delta variant is more dangerous in terms of spread and having so much more virus in your throat
accounts for this extraordinary contagiousness. i think we're going to talk about requirements, obligations, and mandates from the ground up. and my institution, my medical center is moving in that direction, absolutely. other medical centers, colleges are doing this for incoming students. i think the military's moving in that direction. some municipal agencies, new york city, is moving in that direction. i think this will be a groundswell moving up from the ground. and we will get more of this, and i think it's going to be needed in order to control this outbreak. >> with all due respect, dr. schaffner, if the best protection against hospitalization and death from the vaccine, if the best protection is the vaccine -- i'm sorry, from covid is the vaccine, does a mask mandate make more sense than a vaccine
mandate? >> uh, all of those things together help. we can't rely on just one intervention. we use several. it's like those slices of swiss cheese. each intervention is a barrier. each has some holes in it. the thickest barrier is of course vaccine. it has a few holes. but adding the mask adds another layer of protection literally, for you and for the people around you. so we've got to do a number of things simultaneously. those older people, people with underlying illnesses probably ought to completely stay away from these large indoor group events entirely. >> dr. jerome adams, the former surgeon general under president trump, believes that the delta variant is so out of control, we're likely going to see more closures in the future. do you agree? >> i hope not. i certainly still am optimistic that we can get ahead of that. closures in many parts of the
country, my own included, i think would be resisted very, very fiercely. the idea is to get us all vaccinated. most of this virus is now being transmitted among unvaccinated people. there's spillover into the vaccinated. but if we can get the people who are unvaccinated to go out this afternoon and get vaccinated, then we could get ahead of this virus. >> the internal cdc document urged officials there to move towards requiring vaccinations, requiring masks. what do you make of the current messaging? what do you make of the current communications coming from health officials at the cdc? it seems like people are confused, there are mixed messages. and, frankly, there are people who masked up, did everything that they were told to do, got vaccinated. if you listen to them, they sound very resentful of the fact
that they're being asked to put masks on again, in order to protect, in large part, people who refuse to get vaccinated. >> well, jake, let's take a deep breath and step back. you are pro in communicating. we know how difficult these messages are. there are people who've told me why don't you decide on one thing and stick with it. well, if you'rr wildchfire move a different direction, you have to move with the wildfire. that's what we're doing with covid now that the delta variant is here. we have to alter what we're doing. but we all have to do it together. and, yes, i can understand that people are getting a limb grumpy with the unvaccinated. let's all extend them a hand of friendship and try to get them in and persuade them to get vaccinated. we need them to be vaccinated. that will tampen down the spread of this virus.
we are back with our politics lead. new details about just how far president trump went in his efforts to try to overturn the results of the free and fair presidential election. today we learned that during a phone call at the end of december president trump pressured his acting attorney general to declare that the presidential election was, quote, illegal and corrupt, even though of course it was not.
the acting deputy attorney general richard donahue was on the call. he's turned over his notes to the house oversight committee. those notes say that trump told acting a.g. jeffrey rosen, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the r-congressmen, r for republicans. evan perez joins us now. how did the senior justice department officials respond to trump's deranged request? >> jake, these notes that were written down, that were hand-written notes by rich donahue, who was the acting deputy attorney general really show you that even though we know how much trump was pushing his big lie, it still shows you how much he was trying to do behind the scenes. and so what these officials were doing were pushing back on the president, telling him that they had investigated, there were hundreds of investigations, they had done all of the work, and they could not find any of the evidence that he was talking about. and, as you said just now, the
president said, you know, you don't have to do anything, you just have to say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen. and when he was told that all of these claims that he was hearing that the president was hearing were false, some of them were conspiracy theories about some italian being behind -- altering voting machines around the country. the president responded, you guys may not be following the internet the way i do. it goes to show you, jake, that for all the things that the president said that we all saw behind the scenes, these were officials who were pushing back and they were telling him, frankly, that he was wrong, that he was wrong about the election claims that he was making. >> evan, these notes were released as part of a house investigation into president trump's efforts to overturn the election. what do we know about the status of the investigation? >> well, we know that there are two committees, the oversight committee and the senate
judiciary committee that have been working on this. and they say that they are now working to schedule interviews. we heard earlier -- we reported earlier this week that the justice department has said that these people, a number of these former justice department officials can speak to these committees, they are not invoking executive privilege, so they're free to do that. i'm told that some of those interviews could begin in the next week or so. so we expect that these officials will be able to tell a little bit more beyond these notes some of their conversations, any text messages, any other communications they had with other officials beyond the president. >> all right, evan perez, thanks so much. let's discuss with my panel. we've learned a lot in recent months about just how far trump went to try to overturn the election, try to subvert democracy. to tell the acting attorney general to, quote, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen, presumably, the types like jim jordan and the rest, i mean, it's still stunning.
i have not lost my capacity to be shocked. >> it may not be surprising, but it is still stunning because, as you point out, we have seen evidence of the former president's attempts to exert pressure on state and local officials, on members of congress, on his own vice president mike pence, and then now you have these really striking conversations that we're hearing about with top leaders at the justice department. it does reinforce the lengths he was willing to go to subvert the will of the american people and overturn the outcome of the election. but it's not just about what happened in the past because he still really is the de facto leader of the republican party. and a lot of these republicans, even those who have condemned his rhetoric on january 6th and his efforts to overturn the election, many republicans in congress would still gladly take his endorsement, and he is still mounting this campaign using his platform to try and spread the false notion, the lie that the
election was stolen. so there are very real-time implications for this entire story, and it's certainly not the end of it. >> and think about this, just leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen. what if the republican congressmen had controlled congress? what if he was leaving it up to jim jordan who was a chairman, kevin mccarthy who was the speaker? i mean, that is what people are afraid about. that's what the liz cheneys of the world are warning us all about. >> well, and that's part of what this investigation we'll lk into is not just what happened on january 6th. we could hear more about this. but already, jake, what we know from just reading those notes is it painted a picture of a president who was desperate to win, who was desperate to cling onto power, who was looking for any possible opportunity to say the election was stolen from him, even as department of justice officials were telling him that they looked into all these instances they were doing their job you. but another thing we did learn is that the department of
justice was telling him that behind closed doors and that they were independent and that the agency was working the way that it should. >> the notes show that both men pushed back against trump, telling him we are doing our job, much of the information you are getting is false. but what if somebody else had been in that job? right now there is a big effort. again, this is about the future, not just the past. there's a big effort to take some of these people who were guardrails, governor kemp in georgia, whatever you think of him, he was a guardrail. secretary of state raffensperger in georgia. there is an effort to replace them with sycophants who will do what trump wants. >> right. and the conversation was december 27th, i believe, it was with acting attorney general rosen. why was he acting attorney general? because bill barr had quit or been fired ten days before. because he was not a shrieking violet in pushing the edge of of
the envelope, knew he couldn't stay because of what he was about to be asked to do. rosen gets fired and gets replaced by a lower-level assistant attorney general who trump thought would do his bidding. mark esper, the defense secretary had been fired after the week of the election. think of this in a foreign country. the defense secretary fired a bunch of cronies. it's lucky that even though esper was gone, mark milley held the line are defense, it's lucky that deputy -- acting attorney general rosen seems to have held the line at justice, but the degree to which this was a genuine attempt by a sitting president. and he is still the leader of the republican party and is going about purging the people at the state level who also checked his usurpation. >> the guardrails held this
time. >> right. and that's what's terrifying to me. if this was any other country, as you know, we would launch an investigation, we would be talking about what's happening overseas. but it happened here. and i think sometimes people are comforted that the guardrails held. well, let's move on, let's talk about something else now, but we can't do that because the only way that we can guarantee that this doesn't happen again is that there are actual consequences for the president of the united states and for members of the major party, the republican party trying to overturn election. there has to be consequences to these actions. >> it's strange, though. we've all been talking about this now for months, and liz cheney basically sacrificing her political career for this. adam kinzinger, et cetera. i have heard no republican leader, kevin mccarthy, donald trump, anyone, say, we would never try to steal an election, we're not trying to change the rules so that next time we can get away with it, that's nonsense. i've never heard anybody push
back on this. >> well, they are saying that they are trying to change the rules so that next time they can try and prevent what they're saying was the voting fraud, which is, as we've discussed at length, unsubstantiated. but this goes into the issue of voting rights legislation, which i know we could have a whole 'nother roundtable on, but that is what is happening in some of these states and what democrats on capitol hill are trying to push through federal legislation to stop from happening. >> i was going to say that's where the cognitive dissonance is. because even some of the republicans who acted as guardrails even some of them are using these claims, false claims about election fraud as the basis through which they are going to now advance or already are advancing legislation to crack down on ballot access. that effort really extends beyond just the trump loyalists and to a lot of the republican establishment. but you mentioned liz cheney, the reality is that this is not the party of liz cheney. it's the party of donald trump.
so i think that is really the fight that you're going to continue to see play out within the republican party in the coming months. >> these notes came from the oversight committee in the house that's chaired by carolyn maloney of new york. she said in a statement, the committee has begun scheduling interviews with key witnesses and i will exercise every tool at my disposal to ensure all witness testimony is secured without delay. what is the end game here if they can't impeach him? i don't know that any of this rises to the level of criminal. just bring this to the attention of the american people? >> it should disqualify trump as a potential candidate. >> or add it to the list. >> but this is pretty fundamental. if he gets elected, he is going to put in more people. he'll fire the chiefs of staff and get military people from the ranks who he thinks -- you are really looking at a fundamental crisis. the idea that one or two of our
major parties hasn't just said they don't have to go as far, but they haven't said thank you former president trump, thank you, good bye. think of richard nixon who did much less than trump in terms of his fundamental usurpation of power. but nobody thought let's have richard nixon come back. >> the justice department told the treasury department that it must turn over trump's tax returns to the house ways and means committee that that committee requested more than two years ago. speaker pelosi access to the tax returns is a, quote, matter of national security. how is it a matter of national security? >> for years people have been curious to see what are inside of donald trump's taxes because there have been lots of conversations about where did he get some of his money from, where did he get some of his loans from? are there undue influences over him and his family and his business holdings? being the first president in how
many years to never release his taxes, i think it would be really good for the american people to actually see what's in there and where his income is coming from. i just want to say one thing about the republican party. they are reaping what they sow. the reason why they are doing all of this is because they are afraid of the base, they are afraid of getting primaried. and they allowed this to fester over years. and so now they are afraid to stand up to donald trump because they know that if they do, he will come out in support of their primary opponent, and that terrifies them. >> what's also so self-defeating about this, sabrina, is, like, anyone who thinks that donald trump isn't going to ultimately turn on you, any republican leader, i'd think again. sorry, i just realized we have to go. thank you all so much for being here. have a great weekend. they did the right thing, and now they're angry. the vaccinated americans frustrated that the joy felt just weeks ago now seems to be slipping away. stay with us.
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in our health lead today, in new york city broadway theater owners and operators announced a new vaccine requirement for audiences and casts and staff. in washington, d.c. the mayor announced that as of tomorrow a new indoor mask mandate is going into effect for everyone older than two, as stricter rules and mandates return, the frustration is building, especially among those who did their part and got vaccinated. cnn's dan simon reports from los angeles where similar rules in place for a few weeks now have some feeling punished for the inaction of others. >> the stakes of this seem so
different to different people. >> reporter: 36-year-old michael burns is angry, not because he contracted covid but how and why he got it. the los angeles youtube host lives in a state with one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. at least 75% of californians have had a single dose. but like much of the country, health officials say vaccine holdouts are causing a spike here with the highly transmissible delta variant. and that has led to widespread frustration among those who have gotten their shots. >> there are people who have been flaunting not being vaccinated or not wanting to be vaccinated in both los angeles and southern california, more generally. and it's extremely frustrating. >> reporter: michael says he'd been cautious during the whole pandemic. in april he got the johnson & johnson vaccine. but two weeks ago he and at least three friends came down with the virus after attending a crowded maskless concert which became a superspreader event. >> i got vaccinated, i thought i could go everywhere without a
mask, things are fine. >> it was kind of our first big social outing since we'd all been vaccinated, first concert any of us had been to in a year and a half. and definitely at a point where i think we were all feeling like things were getting slightly more safe and normal. >> reporter: a few days later he came down with minor symptoms, first testing negative, then the symptoms worsened, and got tested again with a positive result. h he's now recovered. last month with the confetti flying, california governor gavin newsom heralded a new day for the state's 39 million population. six weeks later the state along with much of the nation finds itself in a different spot. last month california hit a low of around 1,200 hospitalizations. today there are nearly 4,000. and state health officials say more than 90% of california's population are living in an area with substantial or high levels of transmission. >> right now over 90% of the people who are currently
hospitalized with covid, over 90% are unvaccinated. and more than 97% of the people dyeing from covid are unvaccinated. as i've said many times before, you'll either get the vaccine or covid and i'll tell you which one of those can kill weeks ag. >> i do think it's disappointment because it was a time for people to come together, and they're not. >> angry and just disappointed and scared. this is not going away. >> reporter: the cases causing worry about school and office re-openings, and many of the vaccinated fearing for their children who are too young to get the shot. >> i feel like there's been enough time for everyone to learn the stakes of the pandemic. and i find it frustrating to see that people aren't thinking of themselves getting vaccinated as something that's responsible to do as a member of a community and to approach health in a community way. they're just thinking about it
in really selfish terms. >> reporter: and, jake, as we head into the weekend, a number of bars here in los angeles and throughout the state will be requiring proof of vaccination or a negative covid test for entry. of course, with the delta variant, it's unclear how effective that mitigation will happy birthday. but health officials of course also saying that mask is highly effective, and masks once again required indoors in l.a. county. jake? >> dan simon, thanks so much. appreciate it. coming up, toxic water and a bunch of dead fish now the center of a political battle. that story, next. it's the most comfortable, body-sensing, automatically-responding, energy-building, dually-adjustable, dad-powering, wellness-boosting, foot-warming, temperature-balancing, recovery-assisting, effortlessly life-changing proven quality night sleep we've ever made. save up to $1,000 on select sleep number 360 smart beds and adjustable bases. plus, 0% interest for 24 months & free premium delivery. ends monday.
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in our earth matters series, dead fish piling up in tampa bay. the water there full of red tide, a toxic algae that kills marine life, and it's gotten noticeably worse. more than 600 tons of carcasses washed up on shore. cnn's nick valencia finds out how it got so bad. >> reporter: this fishing boat
captain says he's never seen the red tide in tampa bay this bad. the toxic algae blooms which kill fish and can be harmful to humans happen almost every year in and around florida's coast, but this year is different. >> typically what happens is red tide happens offshore with currents and tides and wind direction it can be blown into the beach. what's different about this one is this started inside of tampa bay. we have the worst fish kill we've ever had. >> reporter: 215 million gallons of wastewater were released into tampa bay from this former phosphate plant to relieve pressure on a leaky reservoir. cleanup is still underway. environmentalists say the disaster that happened is fueling the red tide. now five organizations are suing the governor. the acting secretary of florida's department of environmental protection and the owners of piney point.
they want the plant cleaned up and closed down safely so disasters of this magnitude never happen again. but governor ron desantis claims the science is pointing in a different direction. >> the scientific consensus is clear it didn't cause the red tide, the red tide was here. >> reporter: the governor saying it was hurricane elsa in july and not piney point's wastewater. asked if he might be playing politics by not declaring a state of emergency over the red tide in tampa bay, desantis was defiant. >> how did i politicize red tide? they were the ones who were saying you got to declare a state of emergency. so we asked them why. well, they didn't know why. >> the data are really clear that this algae bloom that was occurring in tampa bay started well before hurricane elsa passed by. >> reporter: they say while money made available so far by the governor's office has helped clean up the bay, they need more of it now. she says not only has the water not looked this bad since the
1970s before there was a clean water act but the governor's time line for what's causing the red tide is way off. >> what hurricane elsa did was it changed the wind patterns and it put all those, you know, thousands of tons of dead fish right up along the downtown waterfront in st. petersburg and it was an assault to the senses. >> reporter: this agricultural commission, a democrat who just announced her run for governor, thinks based on the neurotoxin levels in the water, the red tide and fish kills could be a recurring problem in the bay for months. >> we saw the emergency, we saw the governor were able to come out there at the very front end of piney point and then he forgot about it and kind of moved on to the next issue. and instead of continuously having resources and support, it got brushed under the rug. >> reporter: some fishermen and guides he knows have had to leave for work elsewhere while the bay deals with an unprecedented fish kill. his conservation group is one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. >> we keep doing that, you know,
we keep having these year in and year out, i don't know if we're going to have a bay left. we'll have water here, nobody's going to want to swim in it, nobody's going to want to fish in it. >> reporter: according to scientific measurements conducted by the tampa bay estuary program, an estimated 40% of the wastewater from the piney point disaster is still in tampa bay. environmentalists we spoke to say that means the red tide issue here could get worse before it gets better. we did reach out to governor ron desantis to see if he wanted to clarify the comments he made about the cause of this year's unprecedented red tide. his office did not get back to us. jake? >> nick valencia in tampa, thanks so much for that report. coming up, disney calling a lawsuit from one of its top stars callous. the battle over a blockbuster, next. is why they ride. when the road is all you need, there is no destination. uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee. well, she may have a destination
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it's the black widow versus the mouse. scarlet johansson is suing disney for releasing her movie on their streaming service at the same time it was released in theaters. it hurt her box office haul. disney responded saying it has fully complied with her contract and furthermore the release on disney plus with premier access as significantly enhanced her ability to make compensation on top of the $20 million she has received to date. dominic, good to see you again. so disney also blasted the lawsuit saying its, quote,
especially sad and distressing in the disregard for the prolific disregard for the effects of the covid pandemic, unquote. what do you make of disney's response here? >> i think it is the hollywood equivalent of shock and awe. when big companies like disney have a lawsuit, their response is, we do not comment onion going litigation or we have no comment. not what disney did here. they waited a couple of hours and came back with a full attack on scarlet and her lawsuit. very, very noticeably not only coming across with her character comment about her, some would say an attack, but also outing her salary of $20 million. so, basically saying, you're cold hearted and you're incredibly well paid. what's your problem? and that means that this is more than a civil war. this is an all-out def con 1
war. >> if scar lot is successful in this lawsuit, though, how do you think that might change the movie business? >> i think it will change the movie business like it always changes the movie business, which is a flexible and fluid things over the years. we are old enough to remember when vcrs were going to destroy hollywood and that didn't happen. hollywood is in a massive flux right now. streaming is where it is at for everyone. the pandemic sped that up, but it did not bring something new to the table. so there will have to be new ways at looking at what compensation was. where people were receiving back end profit participations like what happened with the "walking dead" and the $200 million lawsuit that the former show runner won against amc, those kind of things will be over. this will be money on the table. in many ways, it will be a return to what we saw in the '40s and '50s with the studio system. what's going to happen is stars
and their representatives will look at whole new avenues in streaming, the revenue and what will be lost at the theaters, that will be the sticking point for almost everyone. >> dominic, what do legal experts tell you about scarlet johansson's odds of beating disney? >> well, honestly, they're not great. look, she's got some very good lawyers, lawyers that donald trump has used successfully in the past quite often. but the fact of the matter is she's going up against the giant, against the empire. they will say simply, as their statement laid out which was kind of their defense without their own filing of a rebuttal is we had to do this. circumstances were changing. in so many contracts with people, you will find things like acts of god quite stuff. i'm not sure they will use the pandemic like that. but it will be hard to say, yes, you did change the goal posts, but you did it in a way that was unfair. they will simply say the world's goal post changed. we had to make a move with it.
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get physical. they also want to send in the lawyers? >> yeah, they do. but the question is which lawyers? the faa, jake, has levies civil fines. but the u.s. department of justice does, of course. flight attendants say this year could break records for incidents involving unruly passengers. 3,600 incidents to the faa, the largest flight attendant union. of 5,000 members, 85% at dealt with unruly passengers in the first half of the year. 58% reported at least 5 incidents and 17% reported a physical interaction. now, between disagreements over covid and the disputes about wearing masks, plus people drinking too much in airports before boarding planes, the hope is the threat of jail time will have a deterrent effect. >> when people are facing jail time for acting out on a plane,
we suddenly see some sobering up, and we need some sobering up because, as our members told us, at least 57% of these incidents are alcohol related, too. so we believe that the criminal penalties are critical to making it very clear that there are severe consequences for this type of action. >> only 16 people were prosecuted in 2020, and only 14 so far this year. doj says it applies discretion on whether to prosecute based on things like the severity of the offense and whether lives were threatened. part of the problem also is that airlines sometimes need the help of state and local law enforcement to lock somebody up for behaving badly on a flight. >> all right. joe johns, fascinating report. thanks so much. join me this sunday. we have a great show for you on state of the union. we will talk to joe manchin and susan collins, alexandria
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