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good morning, top of the hour. so glad you're with me, i'm poppy harlow in new york. jim is off this week. new data from a leaked cdc document said that it is one of the most transmissible viruses ever now. the delta variant on par with chicken pox and more contagious than ebola and the common cold. this document adds some really important context to the cdc recently updating the mask guidance for the vaccinated. it implies that unvaccinated people may be spreading covid at the same rate but vaccinated people are ten times more protected against the severe illness and death. the cdc is expected to publish new data noting that vaccines as i said reduce the risk of severe death of disease by ten times and redeuce the risk of even infection threefold. dr. rasheana bessette is with
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me. good morning. thank you. what is your top line takeaway that people need to know from this cdc document. >> i think the top line takeaway is that the cdc was right when they reissued guidance that individuals should still wear masks. i'm a physician and i still work shifts and i'm still on the front lines over the last two wikes not a single shift has gone by where there hasn't been a vaccinated person that i still diagnosed with covid-19. now luckily i haven't had to hospitalize any of the patients, put them on ventilators or oxygen, but they are still getting sick. the delta variant is here and it is here to stay. >> but it is still critical that people get vaccinated. can you explain to them why? >> well, when you look at the numbers of people who are currently hospitalized with covid-19, over 97% of them are unvaccinated. that in and of itself tells that
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you although people who are vaccinated may be contracting the disease, people who are getting severely ill are those unvaccinated. the people dying are those that are unvaccinated. 99.5% of deaths are in unvaccinated individuals. so, yes, you may still contract the disease but you're not going to get severely ill and lose your life. that is the point. >> i want your reaction to this coming from mississippi's governor tate reefs about the public health guidance from the cdc. this is what he just said. >> tuesday's change in the city mark guides is foolish and it is horrible. -- so as to appear they are in control. it had nothing, let me say that again, it had nothing to do with rational science. >> nothing to do with rational science. as a physician, what does that
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do to this country, rhetoric like that? >> rhetoric like that is fuelling the unprecedented spike in cases right now. within the last month we went from 11,000 cases per day to 71,000 cases per day. in that particular state, in mississippi, there has been a 240% increase in cases over the last two weeks. only one-third of the state of mississippi is vaccinated. those are the things that the governor of mississippi needs to worry about instead of the cdc mandates that are geared to protect americans. >> dr. bessette, thank you very much for joining us this morning. let's hope people are listening to the science here. right now louisiana has the highest seven-day average of new cases per capita in the country. at one baton rouge hospital the nurses say they're seeing the number of patients with covid increase rapidly.
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miguel marquez joins me now with his reporting. have you seen it all. truly, with you were on the font lines in the e.r. when the pandemic began and then there when people were getting vaccinated. and now you're here now to see people who are unwilling to and facing dire consequences. >> believe me, if i never had to go into another covid icu, i would be perfectly happy not to. i am vaccinated. i am wearing a mask again even though i'm vaccinated. and when i travel and i do all of the this stuff, i make sure and do that because places like louisiana, arkansas, mississippi, all places i've been in the last several weeks, covid is everywhere. the delta variant is everywhere. and while the numbers may not show it, doctors say it is infecting people in rural and cities but more deadly as well. amy matson struggles to breathe. >> what does it feel like to have covid?
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>> exhausting. extremely frustrating. tiring. and the fact that i am here now, i am furious with myself. >> why? >> because i was not vaccinated. >> not anti-vaccine, she just didn't get around to it. the 44-year-old is now one of dozens of covid patients in baton rouge our lady of the lake regional medical center. her oxygen low and her doctor said she might need a ventilator. >> just don't want anyone else winding up like me. especially when the vaccine is to easy to get now. >> now prevalent in the bayou state. and not only is it infectious. >> the viral doesn't mean i'm going to spread it to more people, it means when i inhale
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somebody else's breath i'm getting a massive amount of virus. >> it is spreading everywhere. in cities and rural areas. >> there is nowhere safe. if you're interacting in this community you should be vaccinated and should have a mask on because we're inundated with covid. >> ronnie smith, 47, said thinks he got it from a friend outdoors. outdoors. at a barbecue. he was planning to get the vaccine when covid-19 got him. >> two days after the event, it just, like, i went down on the floor and i couldn't get up. >> nursing here say they've watched the number of critically ill patients grow rapidly. some anti-vaccination patients still in denial covid-19 is real. >> some people insist that we're lying to them about their covid positive diagnosis. >> even sick people. >> even sick people. >> who need oxygen and might be on the way to death are still
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denying that they have covid. >> i have patients deny they have covid up untilin tubation. >> what do they they they have? >> they think they have a cold. >> after a kidney condition, her doctor has advised against getting vaccinated. she thinks she picked it up in a screened in porch across the room from someone else who had it. >> what does that tell you about how easy it is to get it. >> it sucks, people like me with an autoimmune disease, everybody is getting sick and it doesn't matter what you do. >> laura douglas has been in nursing for 35 years. last year the hardest. frustration with sickness and death and the unvaccinated at boiling point. >> sometimes praying isn't enough. and yell at jesus if i need to. it's head shaking, teeth grinding, knees tight standing
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up and wanting to scream from the hilltops frustrating. >> so, look, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. and as frustrating as it may seem that some people do not want to get vaccinated. health officials say look there is a group of people who are never going to get the vaccine, but the people in that story, they were going to go get it and didn't get around to it. so if you knew someone and love someone or someone that you want to get that vaccine, just keep complying them with good information and eventually they'll hear it. >> so glad you bring us their stories because hopefully they convince others. thank you very much. let me bring in dr. christopher thomas, a critical care physician there at the hospital where miguel just did all of his reporting in baton rouge. good morning and thank you for your time. >> good morning, poppy. thank you for having me. >> we just heard a number of reasons from folks about why they didn't get vaccinated and we heard the toll that it takes on the staff, your colleagues.
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how would you get more people vaccinated? what would you do? >> i think it is important to recognize that we're becoming victims of the unvaccinated at the current pace. we currently are overwhelming our bed capacity. we're creating burnout for our teams. and honestly, we're beginning to impact the rest of the health care of the community. what i would tell people is we've done an experiment here in south louisiana. in july, a month ago, in june, we prepared to enter the delta season, the delta season of the variant with approximately 35% vaccinated and 65% not. we did an experiment. the results are in this morning and the results are very clear. we have 160 patients admits in our hospital alone. and we have over 50 icu patients, we have 18 patients holding in our emergency department, where normally they
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would have a bed. we have a shortage of nursing. overall the answer is clear. you cannot avoid delta. it is not possible. so you have a decision and the decision is get vaccinated or not. and the results are telling us, if you're not vaccinated, you have a really poor outcome. if you look at our icu patients this morning, 97% are unvaccinated and the average age is 48. that means there are children with parents who are now in the hospital. they may not die. but their lives will be changed. they're suffer from medical bankruptcy and chronic shortness of breath and they won't be able to go and play with them. that is a problem. so it is about insurance. the insurance said please make it so that you don't have to suffer one of these disasters. we do this all of the time. we do it with home insurance, we do it with car insurance. the insurance is the vaccine. if you want to make sure you're not one of those 50, buy the
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insurance and this insurance is free. >> yeah. that is what i was just going to say and this one is free. doctor, you made such a good point in a political piece i read this week that you think some are making a big mistake, a deadly mistake, by speaking down to people who have chosen not to get vaccinated or assuming that they are uneducated. that that is really a dangerous and faulty approach. >> yeah, i think it is one of the major challenges with this entire pandemic. my patients, our community is smart. we need to have conversations in science. somehow we now have begun to ask people on facebook or someone via twitter what to do. but if you had gotten cancer, would you go to your doctor and would you ask your doctor, and when you look at best hospitals in the united states and that is where we would get the information. unfortunately, the misinformation is creating
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really, really intelligent people to make bad decisions. so my plea is, they're really smart, have a high educated conversation that is one-on-one. show them the science. the science i just gave you is ours in baton rouge this morning. if you're unvaccinated, you might need to come to the hospital. if you're not, most people are at home. other breakthroughs, sure. 80% of them that we're seeing are above the age of 80. that is what the natural history of vaccination is, so have a good conversation. don't start it without being willing to listen and once you get the information make a great decision our data is clear. we need to help people understand it. >> we have your colleague dr. jaggino on this week and she said we're at the edge of the a crisis, if we push any further, we could not deliver the care we want to for our loved ones.
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are you still on the edge of that crisis or have you crossed over. >> we're admitting one patient covid alone per hour. so one per hour. that means that the other patients who need care are being impacted. we are looking over the cliff. i don't see an end in sight. and i think it is fair to say that now the patients who are coming in unvaccinated with covid are absolutely impacting the overall care that we can deliver. we're going to be elite and try to overcome it. but it is true and doctor jaggino was 100% correct. >> wow. what do you need from the federal government, from your state leaders, what can they do? >> we need an open conversation that returns to great science. we need them to let us have a conversation with our patients and with our families. and we need to let them say, we're going to bring support for you in terms of more nurses, more respiratory therapists,
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because these patients are coming, we're not going to be able to avoid it and we want to provide outstanding care so we need more help. so we need some resources. so nurses, respiratory their pistes, if you want to come help us, please do. >> thank you so much for this time but to what you're team is doing on the ground and i'm so sorry about what your confronting every day. >> thank you. >> well still to come, a race against the clock. millions of people are now at risk of getting kicked out of their homes within just 24 hours when this eviction moratorium expires. president biden is calling on congress to act. will there be an extension? also the first group of afghan interpreters who risked their lives serving alongside american troops on ground are arriving in the united states today. this is an important moment. we're live on the ground with their story.
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then that is the amendment process will start. that means that senators could offer potential changes to this bill. but they can't do that until this text is released which is one reason why there is an expectation that the senate is going to be in for at least part of the weekend. which is very rare for the united states senate. it is rare for them to be on a friday let alone a saturday or a sunday. but it speaks to the urgency of the democratic leaders are trying to get this done within about a week's time. get this out of the senate and so they could move on to the larger effort to move forward on a $3.5 trillion package to expand the social safety net and have push through a whole host of democratic priorities. but first order of business is getting this bipartisan $1.2 trillion infrastructure package through that would include about $550 billion in new money for so-called hard infrastructure, whether it is broadband, whether it is water systems an the like. they have to get the bill out.
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they have to go through the amendment process and then get 60 votes and out of the senate. so there are still some hurdles to go through. some optimism they'll get there but they have to get through both chambers of congress and that would happen until sometime this fall. >> okay. we'll watch that closely. there is a big meeting today. chuck schumer, nancy pelosi meeting with the president on voting rights. what do we know about that? >> reporter: there is an effort among democrats to try to unify behind one bill to overhaul voting laws. there was the effort trying to sweeping the measure for the people act but that was blocked by a republican led filibuster. but democrats don't have all 50 members in line behind that single piece of policy because of joe manchin, the west virginia democrat who opposes that bill. they've since talked about trying to scale that back and try to get all 50 democrats on board with what joe manchin has been talking about and there have been discussions behind the scenes to get the entire party
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behind the line on that. and with democrats and the president to get the entire party in line behind the new effort and probably move sometime this fall to also deal with the issue of the supreme court striking down aspects of the voting rights act from 1965. they want to move forward on a narrower version of the larger efforts here. but again, that still lacks 60 votes to get through the senate. joe manchin told me yesterday he will not change the filibuster to get that through. so it is an effort to unify, not an effort to make a law. >> manu, we'll watch that meeting closely and see what happens today on the infrastructure front. thank you for the reporting from capitol hill. well also this. on capitol hill. and it is urgent. just one day before it is set to expire, president biden is calling on congress to extend the federal eviction moratorium that prohibits landlords from evicting tenants who couldn't pay their rent during the pandemic. john harwood joins me from the
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white house. is it all on congress. because nancy pelosi said we'll see when asked if she'll bring the moratorium extension to the floor today. if she doesn't and if congress doesn't act on this, could the white house do anything executive order wise? >> reporter: don't think they can, poppy. i think the entire government has been whipsawed by changing conditions in this pandemic. remember what happened. you had this eviction moratorium. and in june when it looked like we were getting past the pandemic, it could go one more month and the biden administration said, okay, one final month of this eviction moratorium, consistent with things liken hansed federal unemployment benefits, the administration was looking to get past some of the special measures taken to protect people under covid. then what happened was we have the delta variant and all of a sudden people are much more alarmed and it is a much graver situation as that moratorium is
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set to expire. nancy pelosi saying that this is a moral imperative, simple and necessary to respect the dignity of those who have suffered so much. you've got some finger pointing with democrats on the the hill saying the white house should do more. that maybe they could still do it on their own. they should have asked us to act earlier. senior administration official tells me there is no gray area frp the supreme court couldn't do anything. and if the house could pass it and the senate will take it up. trying by unanimous consent, which requires the agreement of all 100 senators. but given the 50/50 split in the senate and some republican conservatives not thinking that this is constitutional and legal process, it is going to be very difficult to get that done. perhaps that situation changes if we continue to deteriorate in terms of the delta variant. but right now it looks like this is slated to happen and last-ditch effort to stop it in
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congress. stop the expiration of this moratorium. >> we'll watch this very closely. john harwood, thank you from the white house this morning. superstar simone biles withdrew because of a dangerous mental health block that jim industries call the twisties. overnight she posted videos on instagram showing how dangerous that could be. more next. introducing ore-ida potato pay. where ore-ida golden crinkles are your crispy currency to pay for bites of this... ...with this. when kids won't eat dinner, potato pay them to. ore-ida. win at mealtime. the dove beauty bar makes my skin feel fresh. i've encouraged serena my best friend to switch. feels moisturized and clean. my friend stefanie, her skin was dry.
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welcome back. so we still don't know if olympic jim industry simone biles will compete this week but a series of now deleted posts may give us some insight into where she is right now. in them biles revealed she's suffering from the twisties. that is a condition when a gymnasts lose track of their position mid-air. fellow athletes have been speaking up to support her after she withdrew from two olympic events and put the subject of mental health along with gender and race in sports firmly in the spotlight at the tokyo games. joining me to discuss all of this is sports columnist nor "the new york times" kurt treater. and your reporting has been very good. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. i appreciate it. >> i was struck by what you write. but this in particular you talk about simone biles' situation
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and you said none of them has kept her from performing the simple act, simple and courageous and more powerful than any move she could have pulled off in competition. tell us what you mean. >> well she's elevated mental health and mental health issues in a way that really, on the world stage, in an event like the olympics, she's the premier athlete at the olympics, for the athlete that was the most marketed and billed as the superstar of the games and yet for her to come out, four all of the medals and all of the championships she's won and arguably she's the greatest gymnast of all time, i think this is her most important act because we're now talking about a deeply, deeply important issue that is far more important in scope than anything in sports because it is real life and it
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effects so many of us all across the world. >> you're so right. and i was so struck, i can't get it out of my head, that tweet from her this week where she said, i finally realized i'm more than my accomplishments. because i think, i mean most of us aren't olympians but we'll all felt like that. that all we're worth is what we produce every day? >> exactly. it is a pervasive problem that society wide it is a global problem. for her to talk about that and talk about the way that she tied her self worth to her sports. she's so much more than that. she's a human being and often times fans an the media and the broader apparatus that wraps around sports, we forget that these athletes are human beings and the full sense. and i love the fact that she's bringing that to the floor. and she's part of a broader movement in athletes who are struggling to talk about these
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issues in ways that even five years ago really would have been frowned on. so this is really, this is really a sort of sea change moment that we're seeing in sports. >> you wrote an incredible piece and the title frame who might not have red it, the olympic rely on but don't support black girl magic and you said that black female athletes will be counted on to provide stand out performances in tokyo even as they fight to be respected and we've seen that happen during the game. and you write that the structure that wraps around and organized sports particularly the movement fails in supporting women distinctly so black women. how have we seen that play out here? >> well, i mean, obviously with the biles case, we see it. we've seen it even before the games with the case of schickary richardson, the sprinter from
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the u.s. who was -- ended up not being able to compete in the olympic after she tested positive for tested for a trace of marijuana in her system. and, you know, really people say for instance, well the rules are the rules. and so she should have known better and she's owned up to the fact, that she had this in her system. but who makes the rules. that is the thing. certainly black women and women in general are not a part of the leadership and of these organizations. the organizations that wrap around sports in the way that they should be. so if women are not represented in the way that they should be, certainly black women are definitely not there in those leadership positions making the decisions about for instance should marijuana be a banned substance. i think not. and i think i'm hardly alone in that. so, this is a deep, deep
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pervasive issue and it has a lot to do with who is the at the table in leadership. >> as so many things do. who is making the decisions and who is leading is reflected. before you go, i mean, i think ow viewers should know you are no stranger to being under enormous pressure as a black athlete. before you were a sports columnist for the times and an incredible tennis player and the first black tennis captain at u.c. berkeley. here you are at age 17 representing the northwest at u.s. tennis nationals, the only black player. walk us through your experience and just sort of how that -- how you see that as a precursor to what we're seeing today and how much has changed or not changed. >> well, first of all, i mean, i was a decent college player and a low-level professional for a couple of years before i wised up and decided that i was going to be -- >> you're too humble. >> but here is the thing.
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i was in a position where i was very frequently the only one, you know. and the only person of color in the room, in the tournament. when you're operating in these sort of spaces, and there is a similarity there, simone biles, simone manual some swimming, they're operating in predominantly white spaces and white sports and they're changing the way that we start to look at those sports. there is particularly heavy burden and pressure when you're in those sort of situations and in tennis now over the last 20 years we've seen the williams sisters just blow all of that -- they've become the zenith stars. but they've done so facing monumental -- that sort of burden. it is not an easy task for anybody to be that alone and to be that -- feel that sort of
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like you're the only one. and that just adds to the pressure, that adds to when we are talking about mental health, that is certainly an element that cannot be overlooked. so, you know, we see that not only in sports but just in the world at large. and what i love about writing about sports is that sports mirrors our society. almost exactly. so when i read about sports and i think about sports, i see all of the fault lines that we see in society just playing out on this stage. and it's -- we're seeing some of that at the olympics, no doubt about it. >> we're so glad to have you writing about it. so we could all see what is really going on in our society. because you're so right, it does mirror the broader society. cory streeter, thank you for your great reporting and being here this morning. >> thank you.
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this is a small group of the total but it is so great to see and so important to see because these are people who served side-by-side helping u.s. troops on the ground. >> reporter: that is exactly right. these are folks who u.s. troops and u.s. diplomats say were required to do their jobs on the ground in afghanistan. they couldn't have done it without them. so it is really welcome news that they have arrived here in the united states today. and here at ft. lee they'll be here for about a week. these are a small group of the large total as you said, poppy. and what they're doing here is just going through a number of screenings to secure their medical clearance in order to finally get their special immigrant visa and the opportunity to get the covid-19 vaccine and given the opportunity before they left kabul. but the back drop is that this has been and will be a long and arduous process, both for the united states government as they try to figure out where else to
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locate the rest of the afghans who worked alongside the united states and want to get out of country due to threats by the taliban. they'll look at u.s. facilities abroad and looking at third countries they could go to while they wait for visas to be processed and then it is a long process for the afghans because it takes years for the visas, for the security clearance processes to actually come to fruition. and as you said, about 20,000 folks in afghanistan have applied for these visas and a lot of them say it is urgent they get out of the country because of the threats that they are facing. listen to some of them that i spoke with this week. >> if i don't go out of afghanistan, i'm counting down my end of life. >> we need to get out of the country. >> our future will be -- they're going to cut our heads. >> they searched our house and i
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was hiding inside of the oven in my yard. they stormed my house and nothing -- [ inaudible ]. >> they burned your house? >> yes. they burned my house. >> reporter: really tremendous stories that we're hearing on the ground there. horrifying frankly. that is why the afghans are saying that they, too, need to get out of the country. about 200 of them here at ft. lee. and we will continue to watch the story and see where else the united states is able to get those other afghans. >> it is critically important to -- for what all they've done to get them out. i'm glad to see the process beginning. kylie, great reporting. thanks a lot. well, coming up, the incident in orbit that made nasa declare emergency at the international space station. that report ahead.
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a scary situation in space after newly docked russian space module misfired briefly pushing the international space station out of position. the iss lost control for about an hour on thursday. but nasa officials say that the seven astronauts were never in danger. let's go to kristin fisher. good morning. it is scary, but all okay?
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>> reporter: all okay. i mean nasa said that these astronauts were never in immediate danger but any time you have to declare a spacecraft emergency, it is a very serious situation. and so essentially what happened, there was in module coming from russia, the russian space agency cosmos meaning science in russian and it is long delayed and plagued by propulsion issues and finally yesterday morning it docked with the international space station meaning it was locked together and three hours later it started firing in inadvertently the thruster so they described it as a tug-of-war up in space between the new russian module and the international space station. and it is so dangerous because the space station is only designed to operate in zero g with very little force. and so this module was pushing and kind of torquing the international space station, moving it to an attitude, not an
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altitude, but an attitude of where it is supposed to be and the astronauts lost communications for 11 minutes with mission control in houston, texas. and in russia. now ultimately they were able to regain control but it took them an hour to do it. they are now investigating both in houston and in russia. but you know, poppy, this really just goes to show you, you hear about astronauts and folks in mission control training for hours and hours in the simulators, this is exactly what they are training for when they do this. they have contingency plans in place and yesterday fortunately it worked. >> fortunately. what do you think it means for the future missions to the international space station? >> well actually today there was supposed to be a test flight, an uncrewed test flight of boeing star liner which just like spacex is supposed to bring nasa stra
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astronauts up to the space station but that had to be delayed. so long-term shouldn't have any big or significant impacts but in the short-term it delayed this launch for about a week. >> kristin fisher thank you very much for your reporting. i'm glad everything is okay. >> i know. crazy scary. some cities here in the u.s. are considering vaccine passports. we'll look at what they're doing in some parts of europe. s time for grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ after we make grilled cheese, ♪ ♪ then we're eating grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ because it's time. ♪ ♪ yeah. ♪ ♪ time for grilled cheese. ♪ this past year has felt like a long, long norwegian winter. but eventually, with spring comes rebirth. everything begins anew. and many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other like-minded people.
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proof of vaccination, but some have gone further and taking steps of requiring vaccine passports. here is how it works in europe. >> i'm fred pleitgen in berlin. putting in policies of vaccine passes or green passes as they are also known. france just passed a law whereby only people who have been vaccinated or have a recent negative pcr test are allowed into restaurants and travel by rail or by plane. a similar law is going to come into effect in italy very soon and greece is already only letting people who are vaccinated into indoor dining facilities. now of course all of that is coming in the face of a spread of the delta variant of the coronavirus here in europe. but also lagging vaccine uptick and it is meant to encourage people to get their vaccination.
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