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messaging to emphasize vaccinations. joining us now is washington post health policy reporter yasmine abutaleb, one of the journalists who first reported on the leaked cdc documents. yasmine, i've read a lot, reported a lot on covid the last year and a half. this may be the report that has scared me the most. i'm going to be honest, this is scary stuff. people need to listen to this because it really does change, i think, what they think they're dealing with and one of the biggest things is that for vaccinated people, they've sort of felt like, okay, i'm the end of the line, i'm not going to spread this. it turns out actually they can. >> yeah, it's a really pivotal moment in the response, i think, because it looked like for the last couple of months things were getting better, we were on the upswing, the cdc relaxed its mask mandates, mask guidance for vaccinated people back in may. but delta is a really scary variant. it's the most worrying one we've seen so far because it's so
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transmissible. they have this data showing vaccinated people have viral loads the same as unvaccinated people when they get it. you're still far less likely to get sick, to be hospitalized and die. breakthrough infections are not so rare after all. while unvaccinated people are responsible for the vast majority of the spread, vaccinated people can spread it. so it's just a new point in the pandemic. >> the administration changed guidance on masking for vaccinated americans before this information came out. and there's a wonder, well, why did they do that? wouldn't it be helpful to see the science before the decision? what did you learn? >> we learned that they were so worried about this data that they felt that they had to get the guidance out even before the data was ready to publish. it should be published today. we should know more about it. there was a lot of frustration from outside scientists and experts saying, if you're saying this is the science you're basing this new recommendation on, show it to us. what officials told us it was so
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concerning to them, that they felt it was worth getting out a couple of days earlier even if it meant the data lagged behind. >> your piece makes the point of, i think, that if you read it, you see the importance of vaccination. that you are going to reduce considerably your chances of being hospitalized or dying from covid if you are vaccinated. but the administration is very worried that actually people will be disincentivized to get vaccinated. >> absolutely. and that's a lot of what this document deals with. it does talk about data and outside studies that the agency is using to make these new recommendations. but it also talks about this really complicated public messaging campaign that they face moving forward and the agency acknowledges what a new point in the war, we need to acknowledge that. they need to emphasize the importance of vaccinations because just like you said, they prevent hospitalizations, you're far less likely to get severely ill, but they have to simultaneously acknowledge there are breakthrough infections.
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they might have been. and they need to figure out how to communicate to people that their individual risk, even if they're vaccinated, will vary depending on a number of factors like immuno compromised people get less protection, older people get less protection. they acknowledge it's complicated they need to revamp their messaging and figure out how to communicate these things to the public all at once. >> i think we learned public health is so much about communication, communicating the science. not just discovering the science. you write in the piece, the agency must move the goal posts of success in full public view. that's not something that people are going to be inclined to be happy about. >> it's not. and i think because these vaccines were so effective when we first learned about them, 90 to 95% is astonishing. most vaccines are not that effective. but what a lot of experts and doctors have told us is most vaccines are not 100% effective. it doesn't mean you don't get sick at all. the breakthrough infections will happen. we need to be prepared for that.
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it doesn't mean it's something -- it doesn't mean that they don't work. it just means that they will happen, these are not some bullet proof shield. you still should get vaccinated. you don't want covid to be a death sentence or something you get seriously ill from. but communicating that to people, especially when there are such high levels of hesitancy already is really complicated. >> it sure is. the vaccine is so important, though. that's i think what really comes through in your piece, and it's really a must-read. yasmine, thank you so much for being with us. and joining us now is govern phil murphy of new jersey. governor murphy, this cdc report on the delta variant, more severe illness than the covid we've come to know, and it spreads faster than the common cold. so how does this change things for you? >> it's pretty sobering, john, without question. it only underscores the desperate need we all have to get more people vaccinated. we're among the most vaccinated states in the country.
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i think we're the most vaccinated big state. and while i completely get the fact that it's not bullet proof, it gives you enormous protections. so we just got to hope that the balance of our fellow residents get vaccinated. in the meantime we have to use common sense. we're strongly recommending masking indoors, particularly when you're in an environment where you're not sure of the vaccine status of those around you. so we're still in the fight for sure. >> strongly recommending is different than requiring. so why not require it? >> listen, at the moment we think strongly recommending in indoor settings when you don't know the vaccine status is sufficient. but frankly, we've got to leave all options on the table. this cdc report, the more we learn about it, the more sobering it is frankly. and so we have to reserve the right to pull any lever that we think we need to pull to keep people healthy and alive.
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>> right now you're not pulling that lever. why? >> for the time being, at least, we don't think we need to. but that is something that we're going to have to -- if circumstances suggest it, we're going to have to revisit it. it's not as though we've not taken that lever in the past. we were the first state in the country to mandate indoor masks and we were the last state to have that mandate in place. so we've done it before and if we need to, we'll do it again. >> i'm glad you brought that up. i think that's an important data point. new jersey has been early and longer than most on mask mandates, but not this time, at least not a statewide requirement yet. what about schools? i know new jersey opens in, what, about a month from now. what do you intend to do with schools? the cdc recommends that all students k through 12 wear masks again during school. i know so many parents, so many kids were thrilled at the notion of being able to go back to school unmasked. >> yeah, who could blame them,
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right? listen, our job number one is to keep our kids, our educators, everybody in the school community safe. that's always been our objective and it will continue to be. i don't blame folks for wanting certainty. who could? i mean, frankly i want certainty. but ase end of july, the good news about masking, unlike an hvac system, we have time on the clock. this virus dictates the terms. we're talking about stuff today, john, that we weren't talking about literally even a week ago. so my gut tells me we're going to use all of the time that we have on the clock to assess what the masking policy ought to be when our kids return in the month or five weeks from now. >> what's the decision process? are you going to leave it up to the county school boards? how will it be handled school to school? >> well, at the moment we've got recommendations, but those recommendations are now from a month ago. and given this virus, that might
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as well have been in some respects a lifetime ago. so we'll continue to watch this like a hawk. we do give our districts latitude on a lot of stuff, but if we feel like we've got to be at a higher level statewide, then we will do that. we've done it before in this pandemic. we'll do it again. and i will say i will not do it with any joy because as you rightfully suggest, folks don't want to have anything to do with this. but if we have to to keep kids safe and to keep educators safe, we will do something as it relates to masks. >> what about some kind of local vaccine requirement like we are seeing now with federal workers? what do you think we should consider, at least, when it comes to this? could be very effective. >> yeah, i mean, we're considering a whole series of steps as we speak, and my guess is we'll take the weekend and continue to suss out those potential options. and right now, john, we're
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focused as you would probably guess on the highest risk environments in our state. focused on health care settings, long term care, veterans homes, vulnerable communities like prison populations. those are our highest area of focus right now. my guess is if we take steps as it relates to mandating on the vaccine side, it will be first and foremost in those types of communities. >> finally, i know you just signed a measure right now aimed at redicing t-- reducing the maternal mortality rate. what did you do there? >> game changer. we're the first to require home visitations, up to three in the first three months after delivering, including sadly if you had a still born, and the only state that will require a home visit by a health care professional within the first two weeks of birth. the research shows it is a game changer, not just for infant and
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maternal mortality, but also for the broader stuff like mental health, food security, domestic violence, abuse concerns. it's a game changer and i'm incredibly honored we're taking this step. >> governor phil murphy from new jersey, we appreciate you being with us this morning. >> thanks for having me, john. just ahead, a cape cod haven sparked the cdc to change its mask guidance. we're going to speak to the town manager. plus liz cheney versus her replacement, elise stefanik. internal struggle within the republican party. new overnight, simone biles, the mind battle that led her to pull out of olympic events. welcome back to milkshake mustaches,
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she was calling out the whitewashing in her party, and republicans who changed their attitudes in the weeks and months afterwards. meanwhile on the same exact morning, elise stefanik was at a press conference not too far away from that hearing room calling pelosi to blame for the security failures, without evidence even though pelosi is not responsible for day to day security failures. and laying blame on democrats for this. using the talking points from the republican party. and i really think that encapsulates the perfect rift in the gop right now. they're duking it out over the direction of the party, but a sign of where the party is really headed, elise stefanik is getting praise from all across the conference where as liz cheney is facing calls to be expelled from the gop entirely. >> which is weird when you look at their records. elise stefanik has actually been a moderate. i mean, liz cheney has much more conservative credentials. i wonder, i look at elise stefanik, it's almost the character development of someone on "game of thrones," like an
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actor on "game of thrones." tell us about this shift over time. >> reporter: she came up in politics working for republican establishment figures like paul ryan and george bush, right. but in the trump years she really started to shed that moderate image and she embraced her role as the donald trump acolyte. she saw an opportunity and she saw where the political winds were blowing in her own party. and look how it worked out for her. she's now a fund-raising power house. she is now a favorite of donald trump's. and now she is a member of gop's leadership with members telling me she could rise even further in the republican party. >> it will be interesting to see. melanie, thank you so much for that. up next, the tourist hot spot turned covid hot spot that led scientists to a chilling new discovery about the delta variant. and tension at the office as workers return. the vaccinated on one side, the unvaccinated on the other. when you earn a degree with university of phoenix,
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fully vaccinated people might spread the delta variant at the same rate as unvaccinated people is, according to the washington post, based on a covid-19 cluster that emerged from july 4th weekend festivities in province town, massachusetts. the paper writes, quote, a person working in partnership with the cdc on investigations of the delta variant who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak, said the data came from a july 4th outbreak in province town. genetic analysis of the outbreak showed that people who were vaccinated were transmitting the virus to other vaccinated people. the person said the data was deeply disconcerting and the canary in the coal mine for scientists who had seen the data. joining us now, province town town manager alice morris, town manager of this case. thank you so much for joining us, alex. what's it like to see this report coming out of the washington post and elsewhere that the cdc was looking at province town and saying, hey, world, this could happen to you?
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>> yeah, we'll be taking a closer look at that throughout the day today. i know the cdc will be providing more information later on. here in province town we are happy that we're heading in the right direction, you know, as of this morning we have 112 active cases here in province town, 108 other people have now exited isolation and are recovering. and our positivity rate is on the decline. so with the measures we put in place, indoor mask mandate a few days before the cdc followed that call, we think we're heading in the right direction, but obviously concerned about what's happened here the last few weeks. >> 112 current cases. there were, what, 882 cases overall? that was the last county saw. is that still accurate? >> yeah, that's the overall what they're calling the cluster number. it's not representative of -- doesn't mean there's over 800 people currently with covid in province town. the cluster overall through today, a much smaller number of folks here in town.
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the majority of those folks have exited their ten-day isolation in quarantine teen. >> over the summer, 60,000 or so on a given day. my niece is working in province town this summer. it is something i care deeply about. of the people who were sick, how many -- what percentage were fully vaccinated? i shouldn't say sick. of the people who were infected, what percentage fully vaccinated? >> so, 74% of the overall cases are among fully vaccinated individuals, and i think that came as a surprise to many folks that -- we were told if you're vaccinated, you're most invincible. i think many people wrongly assume that. so what's been interesting and i think the silver lining here is that the vaccine is clearly working. it is meant to prevent hospitalization and certainly prevent death. there hasn't been a single death related to the cluster here in province town. there hasn't been a spike in hospitalizations. and overall, the symptoms are
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mild or moderate, you know, cold, light flu-like symptoms. that's what we're taking from here, that this delta variant s yes, highly transmissible, more contagious, more likely to have a breakthrough infection. but it's not likely you're going to be hospitalized and you're certainly not going to die. the delta variant is incredibly dangerous on unvaccinated individuals. while we have a mask mandate in the short term, our longer term layout of this is ream i through vaccination. >> of the 882, how many hospitalizations, just so people know? >> there were a total of seven. and again, that doesn't mean seven people are currently hospitalized. a few of those folks have now been discharged. >> so that's still well under 1%, well under 1% if you're keeping track there. so a very small part, they've all been discharged. i appreciate that. you say you do have mask requirements in place in province town right now. what about vaccine requirements, what about proof of vaccination for some of your establishments? >> so, that's certainly something we are in active
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conversations with our local tourism and business folks. a number of businesses even before this cluster had already required proof of vaccination. and i think many businesses now are beginning to opt in. so we're working as a town with our board of health and we're exploring a program by which local businesses would get a certification from the board of health. if they're not only requiring their employees to be vaccinated, but they're also requiring proof of vaccination for entry. you know, province town is a safe place to visit, to have fun and we want people to know we're taking this seriously. and how relieved people feel when they enter a business or an establishment and know that everyone else is vaccinated. clearly the impact, the first two weeks of july was a number of unvaccinated individuals. >> it's a wonderful feeling being in a place where you know everyone is vaccinated. you feel much safer. alex morris, you've had your work cut out for you this summer. i know this is not the summer you were expecting. we appreciate the work you're doing. we wish you the best of luck going forward. you and all of us want to see
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this data coming out of province town as part of the cdc report later today. thank you. >> thank you. tension building between the vaccinated and unvaccinated as more workers plan to head back to the office. at least they had planned to go back to the office. cnn's christine romans, our chief business correspondent joins us with that. >> the delta variant is throwing a wrench into some of these return to work plans. it is a setback for so many companies. but the message from them, john, is clear. they want you back at your desk and they want you vaccinated. >> we're producing more work. i can be held accountable virtually. i don't actually need to be physically in the office. >> some workers aren't ready yet to give up the flexibility and safety of working from home. but from the employer perspective, it's time. >> if you can go to a restaurant in new york city, you can come into the office. and we want you in the office. >> reporter: offices for some wall street firms are already nearly full. other industries preparing to
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return around labor day. >> and it's clear it's more human. >> reporter: it is coming to an end whether employees like it or not. >> employers are saying the struggle with the narrative of this is good for me is that we pay you. so it has to be good for us. it must be mutually beneficial. >> reporter: this tricky reentry made more difficult by employees questioning the safety of the workplace amid surging cases of the delta variant in the u.s. >> we created this within the organization between vaccinated employees and unvaccinated employees. we've literally had reports of employees confronting unvaccinated employees and literally almost getting into physical fights. >> reporter: a june survey showing 63% of workers support vaccine mandates at work. >> many employers are hearing from their workers, from their employees that they want to know
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that people are vaccinated. >> reporter: new york city employers are growing more confident workers will be in the office come september, from 45% in march to 62% in may. willingness to return to the office, though, is uneven. >> the young tech employees, it seems to be much tougher to get them back. >> reporter: the balancing act also important for small businesses. >> while there's concern about forcing people to come back or get vaccinated, there is also a lot of concern about the overall economy of the city. a big piece is the commuters working remotely, not patronizing the local stores. >> reporter: child care is still a problem until it's clear that schools can reopen in-person for good. also a concern the impact on careers of those who don't want to return to the office. >> two, three, five years from now when they're making promotional decisions, we promote people we know and with
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whom we've built relationships. >> reporter: be careful what you wish for. that flexibility you're arguing to your boss you should have could hold you back. two trends are really important here. this variant is a problem. it could push back the return to work, a time line. but it also reinforces the need for vaccines. these are starting to lead, corporate america. the tone has changed. patience is gone for the unvaccinated at the work force. they want everybody to be vaccinated to make everybody safe. >> the news about the delta variant i think really gave an opening to these businesses to lean much more into the vaccine requirement. >> absolutely. >> i think we'll only see more going forward. >> yep. >> christine romans, thank you very much. simone biles now giving us an inside look at the mind battle that's derailing her at the tokyo olympics. legendary swimmer joins us next. plus house republicans pulling stunts in their protest over mask mandates in the house.
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big new revelations
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overnight from simone biles. the superstar olympian posted and then deleted a series of videos. this is one of them. it shows her struggling on rather simple moves for her with what gymnasts call the twisties. she says, quote, literally cannot tell up from town. it's the craziest feeling ever. not having an inch of control over your body. what's even scarier since i have no idea where i am in the air, i have no idea how i'm going to land or what i'm going to land on. joining now is legendary swimmer diana nyad, the first swimmer to swim from cuba to the u.s. she knows about bravery and athletic prowess. this is what we want to talk to you about. you were initially critical of bias pulling out of olympic events, but then you changed your mind. you wrote for the washington post, i judged simone biles harshly. here's why i was wrong. diana, great to have you on. can you just walk us through
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your initial thinking, and then how you did change your mind? >> yeah, you know, at first blush, i'm going to retract it all now. i'm going to go even farther back than where i first started. you know, you can say that, you know, many olympians -- look at novak djokovic just hours ago was not himself. he said arguably the best tennis player who has ever stepped onto a tennis court. but he couldn't get his best together at the olympic games that mean so much to him. he was in tears. he was beat fair and square. he rose to the occasion. when i first heard biles say, i'm just not myself. i'm unsure of myself. this isn't the real me. i'm going to drop out. i'm going to let another teammate step up for me in the team competition. and this word "team" you know, sort of hit me, like, isn't this the time -- because biles at that time hadn't focused so much
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on fear of what might happen to her, you know, if she lost her spacial, you know, recognition in the air and landed, you know, dangerously and poorly. she had focused on the pressure. she has been the protagonist of these olympic games. she's the face, she as much as katy ledecky and djokovic and others are super stars. biles has been the star of these games, and how can we say what pressure that brings? and i was feeling like way too tough on her, unreasonably tough, saying, well, isn't this the time? as billie jean king says, pressure is the privilege. isn't this the time to figure it out? go out there at midnight and do that vault with your coaches and your teammates and get your spacial recognition in order so that you can compete for the team, for your country. but i was remiss in not focusing in my mind on what a dangerous
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sport this is. there is no other sport, brianna, you can take tennis, swimming, you name it, all the other sports. what happens if you're not your best? you know, you're disappointed. i bet you katy ledecky, as great as she is, the medals she's winning is somewhat disappointed in the games as they're unfolding for her. but is she going to be hurt in the pool, in not winning? no. and it's the only sport i can think of where the disparity between the very top of the gymnast and the next level, the 10th down, you can take the 500th tennis player in the world. he or she looks pretty darn good, doesn't look -- from the best, but not in gymnastics. when you go down below the 10th, they can't do these moves. so if simone biles says that she's lost her place in space, she doesn't know where the ceiling is and where the floor
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is, what in the world could happen to her if she lands wrong and people say, oh, she could be paralyzed. that is not hyperbole. she could be paralyzed. >> the paralysis point you make is excellent, and i also think you make another point that a lot of people were thinking when they were initially or maybe still critical of her. the assumption that she was taking her ability to perform well away from her team. but what we learned later was that she felt like she was going to sink them. i mean, to be clear, that stumble on vault put them into silver zone, right? so she had actually hurt them at that point. and you say the same decision that on tuesday seemed to some of us unsportsmanlike now on wednesday, seems a historic sacrifice. >> yes, when she then dropped out of the women's all round, which is the first individual event. so, you know, it's not like oh, i can't do it for the team. who am i to say that simone
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biles, champion, wouldn't show up for her team? but there was a little -- there was a little something inside me and i think a number of people felt the same way, like, well, you get it together for your team. it's just like a pitcher who is in a slump. you go out there and you figure it out. you work for hours, and you say, why isn't that curve ball working? you figure it out. but in this case, you know, some people said, why doesn't she just do an easier routine, drop out of some of those really difficult twists and acrobatics? you don't just do that overnight. they work for months on those routines. she can't just go in the night before the competition and say, i'm going to do a completely different routine that won't upset my equilibrium so much as these dazzling acrobatics that i'm doing now. you can't just do that overnight. so as i said, i've stepped back, brianna, i've stepped back a bit to say, this is the greatest in the world. and as sally jenkins, perhaps the top sports reporter of our time, wrote in the washington
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post just a few hours ago, it would be a perilous endeavor for any of us to put ourselves in simone biles' shoes and feel what she's feeling. if she's not 100% in this particular sport, she has every right to root for her team and believe they're better without her. we believe that no matter how poorly she performed, they'd be better with her. she's that good. but it's not true in this case, and she knows it's not true. so she's done the right thing and she has the right to do the right thing. >> yeah, she clearly, i think, listening to her has made the right decision. and, diana, we thank you so much for discussing your evolution on this topic. diana niad. great to have you here this morning. >> as always, brianna. so what is this alarming cdc discovery we've been talking about this morning mean for the entertainment industry, concerts, events? one legendary entertainer will join us live. plus as cnn gets ready to air another original series,
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cnn has been celebrating the "history of the sitcom" with an all-new original series, and we have another special mystery guest this morning from one of brianna's favorite shows. she has no idea, so she has to guess who the person is. and i want you to know, brianna, i am here for you this morning. >> do i get a lifeline? >> so, here we go, all right. we'll get you to the general area. cubicles. okay. paper. >> the office. >> getting warmer. you are headed in the right direction. outback steakhouse. >> delicious? >> shaved head.
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>> is it meredith? >> it is meredith. >> oh, my god, that's awesome. >> more specifically, it is kate flannery who played meredith palmer on "the office." kate, thank you so much for being with us. let me introduce you to one yof your biggest fans and let me step back. >> how are you? >> i'm good. how are you? >> if you were in character, that would not be the case. >> oh, my goodness, where do i start? i'm going to start with i think just the general arc of your character, which is -- there's no way you could do any of this stuff that your character did in real life at a job and not get fired after like one thing. what was that like being that kind of character? >> so, some people do know how to fly under the radar. maybe john is better at it than you are. i'm just saying, some people can cut it. >> lord knows i've tried. >> she's a shameless loud and proud individual.
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many women have come up to me and said, i'm the meredith of my office and i completely believe them. >> one of the best scenes -- yes. one of the best scenes is, you know, there's casual friday, which is kind of more like scantly clad friday for meredith. you know, that kind of goes to the lessons of things maybe not to do at work. but also, you know, i just wonder for you when you look back on your role and having so many seasons, i think nine seasons, was it nine seasons, ten seasons? >> nine. >> nine seasons. what do you think looking back on that? >> it was the greatest nine years of my life. i mean, it was actually a desk job. it was the most comfortable acting job i'll ever have in my life. my clothes were comfortable. my computer worked. if i had to dump out, i dumped out to solitaire. it was a dream gig. >> can i ask, i can do the same
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thing. there are so many funny people, right? the entire cast hilarious. and then just the writing staff, a legendary -- what's it like to be -- you're one of them. to be just around so many funny people all the time? >> well, talk about the most elevated experience ever. i mean, i don't think i'll ever have as great a job as that with that literally lightning in a bottle and being around steve kyrell, the nicest guy, the most insanely intelligent, funny, creative. you never knew what he was going to do each take. he was a genius. >> there was so much improvisation, which is the best thing when you're watching that show. just final question before we let you go, kate. did steve kyrell really hit you with a car? >> it's all smoke in mirrors. i did my own stunt. i started on top of the car, hit the grass and then rolled off onto a giant pad below. >> you did a very fantastic
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convincing job. >> i love -- >> i did a bunch -- it was so fun. i want to say thank you so much. thank you, brianna. i was going to say like you're not hung over. >> next time let's try. let's lean into that. >> the end of our show. it's our friday, kate. anything goes for us. >> absolutely, brianna, i'll send you this hat. >> kate, thank you so much. >> you're the best. seriously, thank you. yeah, don't drink on the job. >> yeah. good lesson for everyone. kate flannery, a huge thank you to you. you are the best. thanks for joining us today as we're trying to talk about this great new episode of the "history of the sitcom." that will be sunday night at 9:00 eastern only on cnn. >> talk about somebody who came to play. >> that was fun. that was really fun. so, up next, just released music from the vault of the one and only prince.
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♪ everything takes forever ♪ ♪ >> that voice. out today, the much anticipated album from prince, welcome america, unearthed from his legendary vault after his death in 2016, shortly after recording it 11 years ago, he invited misty copeland to entertain with him. she maintained a friendship numerator his passing. guess what, jackpot. the first african-american female principal dancer with the american ballet. an honor to have you here. >> thank you. >> that was the first i heard from the album. you just hear his voice come through. >> yeah. >> what was it like for you to hear it? >> for me, you know, people that were a parliament of his purple family as we call it, you know, it's not surprising to hear this music from him. he was always ahead of his time.
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he's a teacher and a leader and a preacher in the best way, in the most positive way. and so it's so timely, the music that he's made, even though he didn't make it today. and, you know, we all feel that his spirit is alive through his music and it's something that is timeless, and it's amazing that the world gets to hear these things from the vault that i know he held onto so tightly. >> right. you say that it's timely, even today. even though he recorded it in 2010, it really is. some of the music deals with issues of social and racial justice. >> yes. >> one of the questions people had, you know, prince from minneapolis, so much of what we've seen with george floyd. people wondered what would prince have done? how would he have reacted to this with his art? >> he definitely would have brought people together through his music. i'm sure he would have had people at paisley park.
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these are things i thought about as soon as the death of george floyd happened. i immediately thought of prince and, you know, i'm happy that he didn't experience this in his lifetime because, you know, i think it would have been heartbreaking especially coming from a place that meant so much to him, minneapolis. but i think that he is bringing people together through his music and he still is teaching. and again, you know, speaking so much about race and about education and about the youth, that was so much a part of him. and that's how he impacted me, you know, through his words and his music and his advice as a mentor. >> when i would see a video of him playing or watch him perform, i always had the feeling that -- he wasn't a big guy, right? it was as if his physical being couldn't contain all the talent, not enough to contain all the talent and the genius there. and you've got something of the same issue. what's it like to have so much
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talent and performative genius in one place? >> well, speaking for myself, i feel like that's the only way that i can really get out everything that's inside of me. from the time i was 13 years old and discovered ballet on the basketball court at my boys and girls club, it was the one way that i could channel everything i wanted to express and say, and everything that i was feeling was through my movement and through dance. and the very first time that i worked with prince, i had never seen him perform live. the first time we worked together which was in a music video, crimson clover, then i got on stage with him the first time in france. it was just like, i understand now. like the energy and the genius that comes out of this small body, and it's not about the body that he's in. it's about the messages that he's sending to the world and beyond. and again, all of the people that he's influencing and will continue to influence. >> look, we're lucky you
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discovered that desire to dance on the basketball court. it's been a gift to all of us and we thank you so much for being with us today talking about prince. and we look forward hopefully as we beat this pandemic to getting to see you perform live in person. misty copeland, it's been a real honor. >> thank you. >> all right, a lot of news this morning. cnn's coverage continues right now. ♪ good morning, everyone. so glad you're with us. i'm poppy harlow. jim is off this week. and the war against coronavirus has significantly changed. this morning a leaked cdc document sounding the alarm over the delta variant and explaining why the mask guidance changed so suddenly, even for vaccinated people. the data suggests the latest strain, the delta variant, is one of the most transmissible viruses ever, more contagious than ebola and chicken pox. the findings appear to show

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