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are you a christian author with a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! good evening. we begin with breaking news and, perhaps, a way at least to begin to break through the resistance so many people seem to have to getting a shot that could save their lives. not to mention, wipe out covid. not just a way, in fact, several. late today, after a string of key announcements from the public and private sector in blue states and red, president biden unveiled a series of his own initiatives to vaccinate more americans. >> the federal government will now reimburse those employers, to give their staffs -- who give
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their staffs time off. not only to get themselves vaccinated. but also, to get their family members vaccinated. today, i'm calling on all states and local governments to use funding they have received, including from the american rescue plan, to give $100 to anyone who gets fully vaccinated. i'm asking the defense department to look into how, and when, they will add covid-19 to the list of vaccinations our armed forces must get. every federal-government employee will be asked to attest to their vaccination status. anyone, who does not attest or is not vaccinated, will be required to mask, no matter where they work. test one or two times, a week, to see if they've -- they have acquired covid. socially distance. and generally, will not be allowed to travel for work. >> the president, also, said he is asking that similar standards be applied to anyone doing business with the government.
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and as we said, this was just the latest of many, such new carrots and sticks today. the las vegas police department announcing proof of vaccination will be mandatory for all-new hires. nevada resumes mandatory-indoor masking, tomorrow. test positivity in the state, now at 17% and icus are starting to fill up or are filling up. in kansas, state employees and their visitors will have to mask up, indoors, starting on monday. and atlanta just returned to indoor masking, as well. late today, the los angeles unified school district, second biggest in the country, announced it's going to require weekly-covid testing for all students and employees returning to in-person learning, regardless of vaccination status. boston's mayor today, said she is leading toward a vaccine mandate for city workers. new york's mayor applauded private-sector initiatives, specifically, today's announcement from the head of a restaurant group and also the global burger chain, shake shack, the customers in his fine-dining locations will have to be vaccinated, along with the
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staff. >> if you really want to go unvaccinated, you can dine somewhere else. and you can, also, go work somewhere else. >> his move follows similar steps from far-larger employers, including google and facebook, yesterday. it also comes, as a number of republican politicians buck the anti-vaxxers in their ranks, and speak plainly. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell made this radio spot for listeners back home in kentucky. >> if you haven't been vaccinated, do the right thing for you, for your family. and get vaccinated right now. it's nothing short of a modern-medical miracle. >> west virginia governor, jim justice, had this advice. >> if this delta variant comes and keeps coming, faster and faster and faster, it'll be too late for a lot of people that didn't get vaccinated. for crying out loud, you've got to get yourself vaccinated. that's just all there is to it. >> and there are signs that, for
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any number of reasons, including the sight of friends and neighbors going to the icu, vaccination rates have started ticking up. that is the good news. new vaccinations, now, averaging 3 -- 389,000, a day. that's more than 35% higher than just a week ago. and it's thehr weeks. joining us, now, is dr. vivek murthy, a surgeon general of the united states. dr. murthy, thanks so much for joining us. so, that's certainly good news about the -- the uptick. um, do you have a sense of exactly why it's going up? i mean, are people just kind of heeding the -- the advice more? >> well, anderson, i think what's happening is people are seeing how dangerous the delta variant is. they are seeing family members and friends get sick. they are realizing that the vast majority of people who are in the hospital, and who are dying from covid are unvaccinated. and i hope they're recognizing that they can get protection, if they get vaccinated. i think there are other reasons,
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too. you know, there are many people in communities who have just tirelessly been working hard to get the message out, whether they are faith leaders or local doctors and nurses and i hope some of that message is starting to break through, more. but we need these numbers to keep going up because there's still millions of people in our country who are not protected from the virus and this delta variant is spreading very quickly. >> obviously, it takes a certain amount of time. it takes weeks once you have been fully vaccinated for it actually to take effect and offer protection. the president said, today, that every federal employee will be asked to, quote, attest to their vaccination status. i mean, critics will say the president missed an opportunity, today, to unveil or recommend a proof-of-vaccination system. why not go ahead and just, you know, recommend a -- if you are not going to mandate it, recommend a proof -- some sort of proof-of-vaccination system? >> well, anderson, first, let's start with -- with what he announced today. it was an important step toward protecting the federal workforce. and i think, a model, and in
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some cases, an important signal that he is sending to the whole country that we have all got to look at what we have in our power to do, in our workplaces, our universities, in our hospitals and take steps to help ensure people get vaccinated. as far as the verification system is concerned, you know, what the president and his team have said is that they are not necessarily going to build a system, on their own. but they, certainly, you know -- you know, are i think supportive of the private sector doing this and the private sector is already stepping up to create verification systems. i think what we are going to see, more and more, anderson, in the weeks and months ahead, is i believe we are going to see more universities, more hospitals, more businesses, more retail establishments, looking to put rules in place. to require people to get vaccinated. that will help us move forward on this effort to help protect our country from covid. >> is that part of what the president was doing today? essentially, making some steps that -- that give private businesses, perhaps, more leeway to -- to even go farther?
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i mean, there are a lot of big companies now, which are saying you have to be vaccinated if you are going -- you want to work here. are you hoping that private industry really pushes -- adopts that across the board? >> well, personally, anderson, i am hoping that more institutions will look at the steps the president took today. and steps, frankly, that a number of businesses and universities have, already, taken to require vaccines. and will ask themselves if they can do the same. because particularly, anderson, when you think about hospitals and healthcare systems requiring the vaccine. this is, i think, a place where it makes really good sense for such requirements to be in place. we, already, in many hospitals, require other vaccines, like the flu vaccine. and this is really a matter of protecting the people that we are caring for. and that's why you saw 60-plus organizations step up, several days ago, and endorse requirements for vaccination among healthcare workers. and i hope that this movement continues to grow. >> in the federal government, i
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mean, in the military, military members get vaccines given to them. why -- why isn't this mandatory, among the military? is it a question of waiting till the fda, actually, has approval as opposed to -- to emergency-use authorization? >> well, this is actually a question the department of defense is, actively, considering. and -- and it's important, because you're absolutely right. the military does require, you know, active-duty officers to get vaccinated in -- in many other cases. and i believe it would make sense here, too. so, dod is considering everything. everything from, you know, what we know about the vaccine, the experience we have with it, which is quite massive, at this point, to where it is in the fda-approval process. and they will likely make a determination on that very soon. but this is part of a broader pattern that we are seeing, across the country, anderson. which is, people recognizing that, if we want to keep our kids in school, if we want to protect the economy, if we want our country to get through this pandemic, we've got to leave no
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stone unturned in ensuring that people get vaccinated. >> i know you've said that the cdc and the fda will decide when a booster dose is needed for americans, not -- not the company pfizer. in israel, today, the prime minister announced that he will be offering a third dose of the pfizer vaccine to people over 60 years old. obviously, people are going to look at that, here in the u.s., and say, well, should that be happening here? should it? should that be happening here? >> well, anderson, what we've got to do to make that decision is look at a series of data points. one is data from other countries. israel, being one of them. another are data from our cohorts here, in the united states, where we have been tracking more than 20 cohorts, across the nation, looking at for evidence of when immunity may wane and breakthrough infections increase. putting all that together is when we are going to make a decision -- or how we are going to make a decision about whether boosters are required. with that said, i think it's very possible we are going to require boosters and it's
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possible we are going to know that fairly soon. as soon as that decision is made, though, by the fda and cdc, one thing i can tell you is there will be supply available, in ample quantities, for the population. and right now, what we're considering, also, is whether there is specific groups that should be prioritized. if and when boosters are required. for example, those who are immunocompromised or seniors. and so, all of that will be informed by the data. but rest assured, we are looking at that data closely, regularly, we meet often to discuss it. and we will make a decision, hopefully soon, based on what the data tells us. >> just -- just to be clear, when you say soon or fairly soon, what does that actually -- what does that means in terms of -- you know, sometimes soon in the scientific field is a longer timeframe than a lot of people think soon is. so what do you mean by soon? >> well, it is based a little bit on what the data tells us, anderson, and how quickly we see a signal there. but i think it's very possible, by -- by the end of the summer,
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early fall, we may have a decision on boosters. again, it could take a bit longer. it could come sooner. it depends how quickly we see a signal in the data in these cohorts and individuals we are following. >> dr. leana wen is joining me next. she's been critical of the cdc on masking. we need to return to indoor mask mandates not because the vaccinated are suddenly a problem but because we don't trust the unvaccinated to voluntarily do the right thing. it's not a commentary about the effectiveness of the vaccine or even trickiness of the delta variant but, rather, about the failure of unvaccinated americans to fulfill their societal obligation to act in the interest of everyone's health. is she right? i mean, who -- who is at risk, to whom? >> well, it's an important question. and i think the point that dr. wen is getting at or what underlies is, is the fact that, in the majority of transmission we are seeing is coming from those who are unvaccinated right now. that is true. and there are two -- there are several different pieces of the cdc guidance. the guidance they issued a few
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days ago, which specifically asked individuals in areas where there's high or substantial transmission to put their masks back on when they're in public-indoor spaces. that was intended to reduce transmission. recognizing that some breakthrough cases can, actually, end up transmitting infection. particularly, for people like me and you, anderson, and other parents who have unvaccinated kids at home, that extra layer of precaution will help us protect the vulnerable at home. but localities, like l.a. county and others that are putting mask mandates back in place. they are not only looking to protect the vaccinated. but they are trying to protect or prevent the unvaccinated from spreading the virus to others. because again, that is the dominant mode of transmission. so we have got to, certainly, make that clear to the public. but that's why, i think, you see more localities, also, revisiting mask mandates because we've got to protect the unvaccinated from infecting others. and if those who are vaccinated, in unusual cases, have breakthrough infections, we have got to make sure they don't transmit that to others,
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particularly those in their family. >> dr. vivek murthy, appreciate your time. thank you very much. more perspective now on all aspects of this. joining us, cnn medical analyst and former baltimore health commissioner, dr. leana wen. author of the new book lifelines, a doctor's journey in the fight for public health. also, arthur kaplan. dr. wen, so we just obviously heard from the surgeon general addressing your op-ed. what do you make of what he said? >> well, i agree with dr. murthy. i actually think that his communication on this topic is really clear because there are two things that we are talking about that i think the cdc actually got tangled up with each other. the first is what about people who live at home with vulnerable family members, like us? who have unvaccinated children. or immunocompromised individuals. we should be masking up, not because we are at risk. but because we don't want to be transmitting covid back home to our vulnerable loved ones. that's not the reason, though, why we should now be having indoor-mask mandates in place
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for everyone. we are not the problem. the vaccinated are not the problem. the problem are the unvaccinated, who constitute, as dr. murthy said, the vast majority of the transmission. and so, i think the cdc should be really clear that, the reason why locales and businesses want to be implementing indoor-mask mandates. it's not that, somehow, something isn't right with the vaccinated. it's that if we don't have proof of vaccination, there is no way to tell who is vaccinated and who's not. so in a sense, the vaccinated are maybe some people are kind of mad saying why do i need to put a mask on, now? well, the reason is we don't have the honor code that's working. and we are putting on masks, now, because we can't trust the unvaccinated to be masking. >> art, i mean, just through kind of an ethical lens. this idea that the burden lies, again, on the vaccinated population. who have made a responsible choice. what do you say to those who feel like they are being punished for the actions of the unvaccinated or people who are not fulfilling their duty as citizens? >> well, i think it's time to
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get our moral house in order, anderson. it's the unvaccinated, who are the threat. it's the unvaccinated, who are going to make us close our schools, lose our jobs, again. shut down the economy. make my friends with immune diseases sick. we keep talking, again and again, in this country about the rights of the unvaccinated. unvaccinated have rights, but they're limited when they start hurting/harming others. and i think we've got it all backwards. we -- we, basically, need to recalibrate. i think it's time to move away from this mask debate, and get serious about mandatory vaccination. it's the right thing to do. it works, if you look at the numbers. everybody, who's dead from covid, these days, not vaccinated. and i'm tired of sort of indulging, if you will, arguments that say my body, my choice, my liberty. morally, liberty ends, when you,
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if you will, swinging your arm, threaten to punch me. that happens. i have to restrict what you can do and that's what covid is. >> dr. wen, what do you think about that? i mean, obviously, there -- there, you know, a whole host of liberties issues regarding just -- you were baltimore health commissioner. what -- how do you see it? >> i really agree with -- with art here. that, at some point, we, as a society, have to decide what are our values? who is it that we're trying to protect? i mean, right now, the unvaccinated are able to walk around, maskless, with -- without any reason to be vaccinated. um, and they are able to infect our unvaccinated children. they are able to put the immunocompromised at risk. and now, we know, that they also pose a risk to the vaccinated because of the spillover effect and breakthrough infections. is that really who we want to be, as a society? and so, i -- i -- i go back to the analogy of drunk driving. you can decide to drink in your
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own home. but at the point that you decide to get behind a wheel, society has an obligation to say, this is about health. this is about security. and i just have to say, i mean, i think that the biden administration. i think they did exactly the right thing. i mean, and they moved really fast on this. remember, during fourth of july, they had a celebration in the white house where that party. they didn't require proof of vaccination. right now, they are saying the entire workforce, the federal government workforce, they need to be vaccinated or be tested. i mean, i think that's really important. um, it's a good move from them. although, i would have really liked to see, as you pointed out in your interview with dr. murthy, i would havoloe really liked to see proof of vaccination. because they are just saying you can attest and use the honor c code essentially. >> thank you. appreciate it. just ahead, sharon stone joins us to talk about why covid prevention's so deeply personal to her, and why she's so driven to make sure no one else goes through what she and her family has during the pandemic. and next, the lawmaker who might be called on to explain
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love fest. today, congresswoman zoe lofgren had this to say. >> actually, the body armor i was referring to was that worn by the rioters who attacked the the capitol. but i'm sure that we will want be talked to members of congress to find out what their activities were. and many of them, i think, all that have spoken publicly have indicated that they have nothing to hide. that they will, certainly, cooperate with the committee and that would be my expectation. >> well, is that wishful thinking? and if it is, what can the the committee actually do to ensure cooperation? joining us for that, cnn legal analyst, elliot williams. also, cnn senior law enforce-let analyst and former fbi deputy director, an drew mccabe. do you think it's wishful thinking that he will just voluntarily comply? >> look, it might be but that's
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a longstanding practice of congress to, first, ask someone -- first, ask someone to come in voluntarily. and look, anderson, you might actually -- this sounds counterintuitive, you might get it faster by, first, asking him to come in. if you go straight to a subpoena, there is a number of votes that would probably have to happen before you could enforce the subpoena. you got -- you got to file a lawsuit or take it to the justice department and they may slow your whole proceeding down and you may end up not getting it. as representative lofgren said right there, if you start, first, by asking the individuals who are members of congress to appear voluntarily. either, for a short period of time for a deposition or a transcribed interview. and then, if he says no, don't give him a lot of time. then, slap him with the subpoena. but i think people have a false notion of how quickly subpoenas get enforced even in congress. >> andrew, i mean, congressman brooks, as we mentioned earlier, said he had information regarding threats of violence on january 6th. now, he is claiming it's -- it was from black lives matter and antifa. whoever, apparently, informed
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him of those threats, clearly, did not really know anything because that was really not the focus of that day, despite what some, you know, qanon people might -- may, still, be clinging to. but if that is, in fact, true, that somebody told him that, is that something a member of congress would normally share with the fbi? >> well, anderson, you would hope so. right? if a member of congress stumbled across some credible-threat information, as early as, i think he said in the the reporting, monday. so that would have been january 4th. you would, certainly, have hoped, and i have been on the receiving end of these calls, many times, in my 21-year career in the bureau. that congressman would have called the fbi to say, hey, there's some threat information that you should be aware of. um, i'd, also, be curious to know who is this source of intelligence that's feeding warnings about blm and antifa to the congressman? that's, apparently, the only person involved in this thing
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that we know that's -- that actually thought that because the fbi has already said to us, they had no information that those groups were involved, in any of the activity on january 6th. so um, i don't think he's put himself in a position of being any less relevant, as a witness to the -- to the committee. >> this reminds me of when louie gohmert, years ago, congressman gohmert talked about a friend of his at the fbi or a former agent or someone in law -- law enforcement who told him act pregnant women coming to have babies in america. and then, they would become -- go back and then they would come back as terrorists and attack america, and it was a whole plot. look it up on youtube. it was an interview. it was an interesting interview, i did with him about it. no, actual evidence. so, elliot, if brooks were to fight a subpoena, how long would that drag out for? >> yeah, i mean, you're talking months, if not years. they just take a long time to enforce and look, anderson, i worked both for the senate judiciary committee and then doing this for the justice department. they just take a long time.
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now, look. andy's point is exactly correct. this is incredibly relevant information. and if the -- he, as many republicans in congress are making the argument, that this is about capitol safety. if you are saying that you were threatened by blm protestors, that's relevant to the inquiry that's happening right here. come in, and say it, under oath, voluntarily, to congress. now, of course, we have every reason to believe that the speaker would seek a subpoena, if she had to. we have every reason to believe that the justice department would enforce one. so, he has a hammer over his head if they choose to go down that road. but it'll take a long time, once they get into court. >> yeah. elliot williams, andrew mccabe, appreciate it. thank you. just ahead. those texas democrats who took off to d.c. spoke today with former-secretary of state hillary clinton and stacey abrams about federal voting legislation. meanwhile, back at home in texas, supporters of that legislation continued a multiday march at the capitol. beto o'rourke, former congressman, as well as bishop william barber, two of the
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while the president was speaking about the threat from covid, texas democrats were in d.c. trying to promote federal voting rights legislation. today, they met virtually with president bill clinton, former secretary of state hillary clinton, voting rights activist stacey abrams about how to move forward. later, they said abrams noted even losing races as she did for the governor in georgia can
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galvanize voters and produce winners down the road, as it did in the two georgia senate runoff races this year. democrats in texas, marching for a second day that started in georgetown, texas, and is expected to end in the state capital of austin, on saturday. two of the leaders of the march, former texas congressman beto o'rourke, and bishop william barber, join me now. bishop barber, why are you marching? >> we are trying to nationalize texas, as in '65, to say we have to have federal protections of the we have to have -- end the filibuster. we have to fully pass all the provision of the true john lewis bill, the for the peoples act, the one he wrote before he died. when it's ready and written, we have to pass the restored voting rights act. we need $15 living wage. we need to protect immigrants. we've got to -- you can't litigate your way out of this. mobilize your way. i met with the texas legislators of the -- the other day through zoom. and they understand that,
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clearly. and what's happening is not just democrats. it's people of all races, creeds, and colors, and parties. 40 organization, my brother beto, who is down there, who said we would march from georgetown to austin. and then, on saturday, we'll have a massive rally. people will be invited there. we have limited doing the march but not for the rally. even willie nelson is going to be joining us on saturday because people know that 66 million people used mail-out ballots, this past election. 3 36 million people voted early voting. and these are the things that this -- these state legislator want to take all over the country. they want to retrogress and it's wrong and unconstitutional and un-american. >> congressman o'rourke, you know, to get a federal legislation, obviously, the votes aren't there right now. and the filibuster exists. earlier today, senator joe manchin said he is not changing his position on the filibuster to pass voting rights
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legislation. he said we would lose democracy if we lose the filibuster. what do you say to that? >> i think there is another path. i think we can change the rules of the filibuster, as they have been changed a number of times in the past. for example, you can pass a fast-track trade bill on a simple majority vote. you can pass the, you know, nomination of a supreme court justice or a federal judge or a budget reconciliation deal on a simple-majority vote. add one more exception to that filibuster, and make it a voting rights exception. there was some good news yesterday. and i think, thanks to the leadership of senator raphael warnock of georgia, he was able to bring senator manchin, senator schumer, and others to the table. and it looks like they are coming forward with something that they can all, as democrats, agree upon. and with that political majority in the senate, that means that they amend the rule to the filibuster. they can pass voting rights legislation, like the for the people act, on a simple majority. that saves democracy and the right to vote, and free and fair
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elections across this country. and only good things can come from that. whether it's a minimum wage that's a living wage or expanding healthcare access to all. confronting climate change before it's too late. or, as bishop barber says, ensuring that those undocumented americans, who work so hard and contribute so much to our success, have a legal, safe pathway to citizenship in this country. so, good things will come. but we need to make some changes to the filibuster, first. >> bishop barber, i mean, it does seem that, without some sort of federal legislation, obviously, the republicans control the legislature in texas. and they can pass whatever they want, really. >> well, in some ways, you're exactly right. and everything that they are trying to do would be illegal, if we had the for the peoples act fully passed with all the compromises -- without any compromise. and, you know, when we talk about joe manchin, he hasn't faced pressure. a lot of presidents say -- or senators say what they won't do. they said they couldn't do a
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voting rights act in '65 but dr. king went out and made them do. not only are we marching on texas. we have been inning nonviolent direct action since early part of july. and on monday, hundreds of pastors and low-wage workers and clergy and rabbi are coming back to d.c. to engage in another round of more direct action. we are not going anywhere because this democracy's at threat and this is not just a race issue. this is an issue that threatens black people, white people, disabled people, native people, latinos, young people. and that's why people are standing up. if you look at the crowd that's marching with us, they see this as a threat, not just to the democratic party, republican party, but to democracy, itself. and where we call ourselves the poor people's campaign. this says this is a moral resurrection and a march for democracy. so, i wouldn't -- i wouldn't say, just yet, what people say they are or are not going to do. 79% of west virginians disagree
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with manchin. >> texas democrats state legislators are -- are holding out in washington, a number of them. some were witnesses today in a house oversight commit ytee hearing on voting rights. gop texas state representative had this to say to tvirtually. i want to play this. >> let me say to my democratic colleagues today, it's time to come home. it's time to get back to work. you know as well as i do, this legislation's been negotiated in good faith and deserves your attention. >> congressman o'rourke, what do you -- what do you say to that? i mean, how long can they decide to -- or stay away? >> you know, these courageous democratic legislators have left not only their family, in some cases young kids. but they potentially face arrest, upon return to texas. so, what they've done through their sacrifice is essentially purchased us some time. this special session will end, on the 6th of august, which happens to be the 56th
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anniversary of the signing of the '65 voting rights act. before then, the senate needs to make some progress so that we roll back suppression in texas and advance voting rights through the country. so, they can only hold out of, for so long. texas is doing all that texas can do. and we see it with bishop barber's leadership in the poor people's campaign marching from georgia -- georgetown to austin. arriving there, this saturday, where everyone is welcome to join us. but -- but after texas has done its part, it's time for president biden and those democrats who hold a majority in the senate to do theirs. they must pass the for the people act. >> hmm. beto o'rourke, bishop william barber, appreciate you joining us. thank you. just ahead, a look at covid in the workplace. when that workplace is hollywood. actress sharon stone will join us to talk about her fight for mandatory vaccines on set and why covid safety has become very personal for her, as the disease even killed members of her own family.
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are you a christian author with a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! actress and best-selling author, sharon stone, is speaking out about mandating vaccines or vaccinations, i should say. several members of her family have been infected during the pandemic, as she shared in an
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instagram video last year. >> they keep saying that the ri ri risks are so small and that you might not die, and that it'll be fine. but i'm telling you, what's going on with my family. my grandmother died of covid. and my god mother died of covid. my sister and her husband are fighting for their lives. and my sister is not doing well. >> sharon stone joins me, now. sharon, thanks very much for being with us. you -- you've said you were, recently, on a job, in which vaccinations were not mandatory. you think they should be? >> um, yes, i -- i had been offered a job. and right now, in our sag actor situation, jobs on the set, it's not mandatory vaccination. and with the networks and the stre streaming services, there's not mandatory vaccination. there is certain pods are
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vaccinated, and there is covid tests on a certain kind of regularity. and that was good, when that was all there was. we were trying our best, and people were doing their best to fight this. um, and i salute that effort, of course. but we're looking at a different situation, now. and we have more intelligence and more understanding, now. um, and i have worked in the infectious-disease arena for all of my adult life, as you know. i work understand hiv-aids community with amfar and with elton and many organizations. >> you helped raise a lot of money for hiv-aids and other -- other -- other infectious diseases. >> and it's been so fruitful. and i've learned so much, as a -- as a frontline worker. as a fundraiser. and as a mom. what -- what it really takes to
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address an infectious disease. and what i see now is, i understand people's fear and i -- i really do see how terrifying it's been because i've lost people that i love, very much. and i went through a terrible crisis with my sister and her husband. and my sister has -- has lupus, which is an autoimmune illness. and so, her health was incredibly compromised with long-term covid. and we have a lot of this experience within our own family. and certainly, i have been working with dr. fauci for many years on aids and on other infectious diseases. and just this year, during 2020, polio, finally, came to an end. with -- with -- >> yeah. how is your sister doing? >> she's okay, now. >> does she still have long-covid symptoms? >> she's -- um -- she has -- she
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has, i would say, long-term, you know, probably lifetime difficulties that just kicked her health down to another level. >> as you know, i mean, one of the arguments the people have about the idea of mandatory vaccinations is that it's an infringement on their civil rights. what do you -- what do you say to that? earlier, we -- we -- dr. leana wen was on the program saying, look, you know, your rights, you know, stop when it adversely affects other people. and if you're unvaccinated, you are a threat to everybody's child who can't be vaccinated. >> right. and i think that we should love ourselves, as much as we love our children. and if we don't love ourselves, then our children will not be safe from us. and we have grown to understand this with the very fact that we have to have a polio vaccine to go to school or to really go anywhere. polio vaccines are -- are a
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mandate. and we've learned, over the years, what we have to do. how we have to deal with different illnesses, differently. you know, if you know you have a deadly disease and you give it to someone else, it's a felony. and we're starting to know it and understand that covid is a deadly disease. >> it's, also, i mean, as you said, you have worked a lot on hiv-aids. and the idea that, you know, there's still not a vaccine for that. and there are people around the world, you know, i mean, that would be an extraordinary thing. if there were -- a vaccine was developed. the fact that a vaccine, this miracle vaccine, was developed for covid, in the amount of time that it was. and obviously, there was, you know, more than a decade of research and -- and work done, before. the idea that we're so blase in this country about it, just half the country hasn't gotten fully vaccinated and there is people, all around the world, desperately, waiting and dying waiting of covid for this vaccine. it just seems particularly -- i
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mean, i don't know if privileged is the right word -- but the idea that we're, you know, the rest of the world is desperate for this. and we have it, and we're just, kind of, turning the other way about it. >> well, you know, you wouldn't let a terrorist run through your neighborhood, un -- unbridled without doing something about it because you know that that terrorist is there to kill people. what we know about viruses, first, as bacterias is that you can kill a bacteria but you can't kill a virus. a virus can kill you but you can't kill a virus. this is why we have vaccines against viruses. >> hmm. >> this is why science developed vaccines against all things that are viruses. and we have a special way that we deal with viruses, versus bacterias. are you going to let that run
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through your neighborhood, your family, your business unbridled? i -- i'm not. >> yeah. >> that's a decision that i think is -- is a logical decision. we, as a democracy, we make the decisions that are the greatest good for the greatest number of people. we, now, with giant refrigerator trucks full of dead people, come to understand that we can't say good-bye to our loved ones. i couldn't say good-bye to my grandmother or my godmother because it's such a deadly disease. >> yeah. >> we have to wear masks, everywhere we go because it's such a deadly disease. my best friend and her son got covid, last weekend. though they are vaccinated, they got the delta variant. >> hmm. >> because the alpha variant, that they were vaccinated against, kept them from becoming so, dangerously ill that they had to go to the hospital. >> yeah. >> but yet, they had flu symptoms for several days, and needed to stay in bed and stay home and stay quarantined so that they didn't spread that delta variant to someone, who is
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unvaccinated. >> who could die from it. >> yeah. well, listen, i appreciate you speaking about this tonight. and i hope people listening get vaccinated. yeah. >> and when i go to work on my sets, as a leading lady or a supporting lady, it's a work family. and i feel a lot like i'm the mom of my work family. and i don't want any of my family to die. >> yeah. >> just because i might have the privilege of being vaccinated or my pod may have the privilege of having more regular tests or being vaccinated more regularly. that's not a fair and even playing field to me. >> we're also in a situation now where private industry really can lead the way on mandating vaccines and, you know, that's another avenue besides government. sharon stone, it's great to talk to you. i really appreciate it. thank you very much. and congratulations on your book. >> thank you. and this -- i just would like to say one more thing if i might.
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which is this, anderson, is why i'm running for a board seat on my union. because i want my union, the screen actors guild, and i want the networks, the streaming networks and the studios to protect us and i want our union to protect us. >> sharon stone. i appreciate it. take care. >> thank you. ahead, the defiance on capitol hill from congresswoman lauren boebert over mask-wearing rules in the house. that's what they're talking about. all the things going on in the country, they're kvetching about mask rules in the house. all right. we'll be right back. keeping the family together? was that your grandfather, paving the way for change. did they brave mother nature... and walk away stronger? did they face the unknown, with resolve...and triumph. ♪
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back to capitol hill, here is another look at the house republicans who staged a mass free walk to the senate today, where masks are not required. they are against the new mask rule for the house put in place by the chamber's attending physician, a doctor. yesterday, on the first day of the mask requirement for the house, at least 24 republicans were seen defying it, including congresswoman lauren boebert. that same day, a witness told cnn that boebert threw a mask back at a house staffer when she was offered one. boebert's office said she simply slid the mask across a table.
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back in her district in western colorado, in southern parts of the state according to the cdc, several counties are hot zones for covid with a high case tount. tonight or gary tuchman takes us to moffett county, colorado in the northwest corner of the state where the vaccination rate is low and the cases high. here's gary's report. >> reporter: congresswoman lauren boebert is a flamethrower on twitter saying things like covid-19 mutated into communism a long time ago. and "the easiest way to make the delta variant go away is to turn off cnn and vote republican." a tweet she later deleted. and in a speech at cpac where she implied that federal workers would bring vaccines to people's homes, something that is not being done. >> don't come knocking on my door with your fauci ouchie. you leave us the hell alone. >> reporter: and then, there was this tweet. "trotting out hitler and his third reich, biden has deployed needle nazis to mesa county," which is one of the counties in her district. what was she thinking with that tweet and the other things she's
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written and said? we went to capitol hill to ask her. >> representative boebert, quick question for you. why did you use the term needle nazis on your twitter feed? were you trying to make fun of people? were you likening them to hitler, the pandemic heroes? any comment at all? the tragic fact is much of lauren boebert's colorado congressional district is now a covid hot zone amid this delta variant surge. here in mostly rural third congressional district, transmission rates are dangerously high in most of the district's counties. vaccination rates, low. >> it's as bad as we have seen since the beginning. >> reporter: memorial regional hospital in tiny craig, colorado had to reopen its covid unit, where people are getting sick and dying. andy daniels, who describes himself as a superconservative individual, is the hospital's chief executive officer. how does it make you feel, the way representative boebert has treated this pandemic? the masks, the vaccine. >> you know, i am embarrassed for colorado, quite frankly. i am embarrassed that she is my representative. i --
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>> reporter: so you're the ceo of an important hospital in her district, and you're willing to go out on a limb and say that? >> i am. i think if you are going to take a stance on health care policy you might actually want to learn something about health care policy. >> reporter: dr. matthew gregajeski is the hospital's emergency department's chief medical officer. >> she comes from a position of power being our elected official and i think that people are listening to what she is saying, and a lot of what she is putting out there is ideology that isn't fact, isn't medically sound. and it's putting a lot of people at danger and it's, quite honestly, costing people lives and it's frustrating to have to fight against that. >> reporter: the doctor and ceo would both like a chance to speak to lauren boebert about what's going on. and show her things like this. 78-year-old robert edwards is a patient in the covid unit. the husband, father, grandfather, and great grandfather, who already had comorbidities, was quite sick when he came in. >> how are you feeling? >> i feel a lot better. >> robert has improved very significantly.
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doctors believe the reason for that is because he did receive the covid vaccine. >> you think you could have died if you didn't have the vaccine? >> without a doubt. >> reporter: a few hours after i sat down with him, robert was released from the hospital. i know those are tears of happiness. >> correct. it was scary. >> i know. >> reporter: hospital officials say representative boebert has not paid a visit to this hospital to see people like robert since she was elected to congress last november. she also would not respond to me when i tried to talk to her one more time, as she was leaving the capitol. >> representative boebert, i just want to give you one chance to answer the question if you want to. >> reporter: it's very unusual, anderson, for hospital officials to talk negatively about an elected official. and these two men took no joy in talking to me about that. but when you're a doctor or a
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nurse or the ceo of a hospital your main priority is keeping people healthy and keeping people alive and they are gravely concerned that people are continuing to be unhealthy here and continuing to die in this small county and they believe, anderson, that if representative boebert spoke honestly and honorably about this pandemic her words and her actions could be very flujs and could literally save lives. anderson? >> doesn't seem she is interested in doing that. gary tuchman, appreciate it. thank you. we'll be right back. tide pods ultra oxi one ups the cleaning power of liquid. can it one up whatever they're doing?