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major league baseball says it needs time to allow for continued testing and contact tracing among the nationals. this is the second outbreak within the team this year. tonight's game has been rescheduled they hope for tomorrow. thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. there's no shortage of important covid news tonight. there's a hint of whiplash from all of it. people are understandably from us trfrustrated with the rise o the delta variant. just the other night in this program dr. thomas frieden warned cases could hit 200,000 a day in the next several weeks if we follow a similar trajectory as the united kingdom. the spike has prompted the local state and federal government to impose mask mandates and more companies to mandate
vaccinations for employees. president biden is telling federal agencies to require masking inside buildings in areas with what they are calling substantial or high covid-19 transmission, including washington, d.c. the pentagon telling all military officials to mask up. new york's governor ordering vaccinations or testing for state employees. at the same time even in some localities in their states are amping restrictions, many red state governors are resisting calls to mask. more anger from parents and school boards weigh mask mandates. here's how that worked out yesterday in broward county. burning masks. >> it is time to pass off this symbol of tyranny. this symbol of child abuse. we will not do this.
>> symbol of tyranny and child abuse. in washington, more political posturing on the subject. today democratic congressman jared huffman and done nalds got into a shouting match just off the floor. congressman huffin who was wearing a mask calling done nalds selfish. don't be worried about me, mind your business. another republican when offered a mask threw it on the floor reflecting her caucus's thoughts on mask mandates. vaccine mandates are being painted as cause for rebellion. >> patrick henry said give me liberty or give me death when standing up to british rule. we are moving towards government bondage. the unvaccinated will be considered second class citizens and in the workplace and society wherever they go. it's playing out before our eyes. >> that guy.
that sentiment is having an effect from the public religion research institute. they will refuse to get vaccinated. that's up from 31% who said the same in march. at the same time new cdc data says the daily pace of people getting the covid shot is the highest it's been in three weeks which still leaves barely half the country fully vaccinated and still leaves everyone who's done the right thing frustrated. how to protect people who cannot get vaccinated like children or more generally frustration in being asked to bear the burden of people who haven't made the same sacrifices whether it's putting on a mask or rolling up their sleeves which brings us to a truly extraordinary part of the story, that sadly a sign of the times having to do with vaccine reluctance wrapped in horrible irony about how they have overtaken public health. listen to dr. priscilla friess
about what she's hearing from missouri. >> i work closely with our pharmacists who are leading our vaccine efforts through our organization and one of them told me the other day that they've had several people come in to get vaccinated who have had to sort of disguise their appearance and even went so far as to say please, please, please don't let anybody know that i got this vaccine. i don't want my friends to know but i don't want to get covid. i want to get the vaccine. >> dr. frase joins us now. it's astonishing people are disguising themselves to get the vaccine because they're afraid of blowback from people, from their friends. what more are they saying about why they want to get the vaccine in secret and how are they being accommodated? >> really a lot of them have had -- the few that i've been able to personally talk to, they've had some experience that's sort of changed their mind, viewpoint of those in their family, those in their
friendship circles or work circles. they came to their own decision that they wanted to get a vaccine. they did their own research on it, talked to people and made the decisions themselves but even though they were able to make that decision themselves, they didn't want to have to deal with the peer pressure or the outbursts from other people about them, quote, giving in to everything. they made a decision for themselves and they wanted it just to be for themselves. and we help people that come in that way. people can call and we try to accommodate what we can through our drive through window, through walking out to their car. anything that we can do to get people in a place that they're comfortable receiving the vaccine. >> that's great that you're able to or willing to trying to accommodate them going out to their car. have more people gotten the vaccinations since you did it that way? would you recommend other
hospitals or pharmacies to do that if they have the resources? >> we have some people that call about it. a few of them. sometimes a couple in a day. it's not a large number but every single person that we can reach who wants to get vaccinated and we can provide that for them, that's a win and we take every win that we can get. >> what are some of the misinformation that people told you about, both covid and the vaccine, and how do you counter bad information? >> you know, part of how i deal with countering it is i become educated on what they're hearing. i was never into social media before covid hit and last year i started following just to see what people were saying and particularly when the vaccine came out and a lot of times i'll trace back to comments where people post things and read the articles that people are using and then i'll even do some of the research to see the articles that are referenced within those posts on social media, go through and show people how things were distorted to meet a
certain point of view. i also just give people an open space where they can ask questions the way they want to and i give them an honest answer. sometimes that honest answer is i can't 100% give you assurance, but this is the data that we have. the data is very good in favor of these vaccines to keep people safe, to minimize hospitalizations, to minimize death and i just do whatever i can to address people's concerns in an honest way. >> i understand you have 114 bed facility. 28 beds are occupied with covid patients right now. i understand that's the -- correct me if i'm wrong, that's the most since the start of the pandemic. i think your patients range in age from 25 to 91. from a medical perspective, how's the delta variant affecting the patients differently? or is it? >> let me first say those numbers were from earlier today. as in the last hour we are up to
33 patients admitted to the hospital and expect it will be more tomorrow. the patients coming in are generally younger than what we saw before. it's more people rekwoorg a lot more oxygen a lot quicker. they're getting sicker quicker. they are more people who have no co-morbid conditions coming in. the majority of people we've admitted have not been vaccinated. it's an emotional toll for the staff carrying for them. we're seeing things -- it's worse than what it was the first surges for us. the biggest things that are shocking for us is back in the fall, in the winter it took us four months to get to our peak admitted patients, which is around 22. it's taken us 30 days to exceed that and be up to 33 today. >> wow. dr. frase, i appreciate what you're doing. thank you so much. >> let's get more perspective from dr. sanjay gupta. have you heard stuff like that.
people going for the vaccine but only if they can do it without anyone else knowing? >> no, i have not heard that. i've been at this a long time, anderson. we did a full documentary about vaccine hesitancy. it's existed even before this pandemic. the idea you know the right thing to do, you recognize the triumph of science, save your life, get your life back to normal and you still feel ostracized by going to do this. it's really befuddling. the one thing dr. frase said is it's still a win. they're still getting extraordinary. really tells the story of what's happening over here. do you think it's a good idea to mandate vaccines for employees? >> i think we're at that point now, anderson. i mean, you know, the thing is
i, again, have been reporting on this stuff for a long time. there are mandates that already exist. all 50 states have mandates for childhood vaccines, some have exemptions, different kinds of exemptions. universities have a new concept overall. it's interesting going back to what dr. frase said, if there are mandates, then it takes the pressure off people who say they're embarrassed to get one. they have to get it, they don't want people to know about it but because the company is enforcing it, we'll go get it. the numbers have gone up 5 fold last month, hospitalizations 35%. deaths, about to have throughout last year. it feels very familiar again. >> pfizer released new data from a study today which shows protection holds out for at least six months although it might start to wane slightly. the company says their data
shows a third dose of the pfizer vaccine, quote, strongly boosts protection against the delta variant. i'm wondering what do you make of that? should people get a third shot? >> i'm not running out and getting a third shot. the vaccines work well in their current iterations. they really do. if you start to see that the vaccine effectiveness is truly waning. maybe there's some evidence, but people who get the vaccine do not get severely ill. 2 to 3%, max. i don't know that boosting up the antibodies of something that already works really well makes a big difference. maybe those doses could be used elsewhere around the world and have better return on our value. if it's true it's waning, they
got matching immunity from sars. you found it 2020, 17 years later, and they still had evidence of immunity. >> pfizer also said today they're going to provide for authorization for the booster. why haven't they been approved by now? >> well, it's interesting. it shoulding coming soon. there's about three months of data that the fda wanted to look at. here it's six months of data. six months of data has now been accrued by pfizer. they have to look at all sorts of things. all of that stuff again. it's held up with a billion doses around the world. manufacturing, marketing, when something has full licensure
you'll see ads. things like that. >> let me just ask you about masking. there's a lot of confusion on masking. the head of the cdc said today we should be seeing new data to support their guidance soon. yoir' vaccinated. you're a doctor. would you start to wear a mask again? i've started walking around wearing a mask even though i live in new york. it's okay, it's not a huge flareup area but am i crazy? >> no. i have been -- i have been wearing masks for my whole professional career as a doctor in hospitals and stuff. yeah, still, when i go into big public sort of the vaccinations has been substantial. under the new cdc guidelines they would recommend you going
into an indoor public place should wear a mask even though you are vaccinated. yeah, i think that that's going to be something that 2/3 of the country sort of fit into this category. as we go into the fall and winter, more of those yellow areas will probably turn orange because that's the nature of it. you and i as vaccinated people, there's data that shows we may carry enough virus to potentially infect someone else, but the real reason the map is orange and red is because of unvaccinated people spreading to unvaccinated people. that is the problem. this other issue with vaccinated people spreading is an issue but a much smaller issue overall in terms of addressing the major countrywide problem. >> you know, i didn't think new york was bad because we showed that map last night. it looked yellow in new york. new york city, it actually is in
the red . >> oh, well. >> are we going to ask people to determine should they take an umbrella, a mask? maybe they should. we'll see. >> okay. i'm told it's not red, it's substantial just below red. sanjay, thank you very much. still to come, breaking news regarding the day of the capitol riot. author on a congressman who was at the rally. mel brooks, there he is. alabama's mel brooks is admitting what he did to protect himself before the riot even began. we'll talk to him about that. later infrastructure week. a report on a major break through and vote.
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about the sacrifices they made. we're learning more about alabama's mo brooks. he spoke at the president's rally. a new report from slate magazine about what he was wearing and why when he said this just a short time before rioters attacked the capitol police and the officers. >> today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass. >> joined now by slate's jim newell. congressman brooks told you i'm quoting, he says i was warned on monday there might be risks associated with the next few days. as a consequence of those mornings i did not go to my condo, i slept on my floor. i was wearing body armor to cover up the body armor. so this is the guy who as we just played told the crowd that ended up attacking the capitol it's time to start taking down
names and kicking ass. so concerned with his own safety he slept in his office and wore body armor. did he say where, who he had gotten this information from and who allegedly he had told was a threat? >> no. unfortunately he didn't say any of that. he wouldn't go into detail about that. it is interesting though it raises a few questions. to me, what did he hear? also, you know, he claims that he wasn't trying to fulment any violence. if he knew the situation was so volatile, then why was he using such an aggressive metaphor on what was already a powder keg. >> i guess it could be interpreted, of course, you know, a lot of these guys love to speak in ways but it can be interpreted that, you know, some on the right told him there's going to be trouble and we're, you know, going to do something at the capitol or he was told
that there was going to be trouble from the left and that's why he was wearing body armor. >> no, there was no clarity on that. i'll try to follow up with him to see if he says more. he did say one of the things the new select committee is looking at is intelligence failures or people to act on intelligence failures. maybe he got it from an official source or maybe it was just someone in the right wing communities, some people planning the march gave him a at this pointoff but why didn't he, you know, give warnings to his fellow lawmakers. why didn't he tone down his rhetoric a little bit. i think it's something the select committee could look at and it raises another question. >> yeah. and interesting we're hearing about this for the first time now. >> yeah. i mean, it's very interesting. i guess this shows why you need
the select committee. you think that maybe you've heard everything so far and there's nothing new to collect. then you hear a detail like this. i'm not going to say it's the most earth shattering information of the day. >> it's interesting. >> yeah. i had no idea he was that concerned. i mean, it's -- it's not just the body armor but not even staying in his condo, wanting to be completely out of site. >> jim, appreciate the reporting. thanks very much. the news comes a day after not only the gripping testimony but brooks learning the justice department would not defend him in a civil lawsuit brought by democratic congressman eric swalwell. brooks wanted immunity from talking. inciting or conspiring to foam and take violent of short of a
representative and any other former family. what do you make of the fact he said he was wearing body armor while provoking the crowd, revving them up and warned about the risks or was warned. >> anderson, thank you for having me back. the new revelations that congressman brooks was so alarmed that he donned body armor, heavy, baggy clothes to cover it up illustrates the -- just why the department of justice is refusing to immunize him, to defend him in this lawsuit for inciting dangers. it's more evident he knew the
dangers. he swore off to defend and protect the united states. instead what he did was he incited an insurrection against his own government. he used those fighting words, today's the day american patriots are going to take names and kick ass. it's like he pulled the pin on the grenade and threw that grenade, this mob of insurrectionists -- so more evidence of the bad intent and that's why doj doesn't want anything with this. >> to incite a crowd, we have to skidle off, it's just so irresponsible. the decision from the department of justice to reject immunity from brooks, can you explain what that means really? they're saying he was not in his official job description.
>> the law in the united states is if a federal employee commits injury or harm to someone in the cope of their duties while they're doing their job, then the united states will immunize. he would be removed from the lawsuit and the united states would be replaced. but essentially this was not an official act and it was a political activity. how can a member of congress ever have as a part of their duties inciting a mob to attack the government. it was the opposite of his duties. doj has said, hey, we're not covering you. the end of it referring to any
federal employees. i think that's a hint that it's not just brooks who they're turning their back on, it's president trump in his troubles coming ahead. >> interesting. house select committee chairman betty thompson said subpoenas will be issued soon. what kind of power does the committee have to get people to talk? as you know well, there was a legal battle to get don mcgann to talk about the russia investigation. >> indeed, anderson, when i was impeachment council i helped draft mcgann's subpoena. the house does have the power to compel testimony. when you and i were kids there was a tv show about the mounties, canadian mounties. the motto was they always get their man. update that, they always get their man or woman. the same with the house of representatives, but it can be delayed. here it will move faster because
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a day, it's been a long time coming for new legislation to rebuild the country. tonight the senate voted on providing $550 billion on the power grid, railroad, broadband, internet, bridges, buses and more. joining us is ryan nobles and kaitlyn collins at the white house. ryan, while this vote is an important hurdle to clear, what happens next and what are some of the key aspects? >> you said it very well, anderson. this bill has a long way to go before it becomes law. it has a long way to go to get out of the senate. this was a procedural vote. it enjoyed the favor of 17 republicans. there's an amendment to go through. there is a lot of confidence the senate will ultimately pass the bill, it then needs to go to the house. there are many progressive members of the house that are concerned that this bill just doesn't do enough. they want to guarantee that that much pigger reconciliation
package, $3.5 trillion human bill comes along with this bipartisan infrastructure package. the senate is beginning a process of working on that but it just goes to show there are so many things that have to happen before either of those two things becomes law. >> caitlyn, what's the plan to usher through the senate and house? >> they're thrilled they got to this point because the talks had been on the brink of victory and defeat it seems like over the last several days. this test vote is a big break through for the white house. they feel more confident they are on the way to getting this passed. there are a lot of hurdles still yet to come. the white house is well aware that to get it through the senate is going to be a delicate dance. they are focusing on this going forward. the question you noted, she does plan on changing it. what changes she makes, how do senate republicans react to that is something of course the white
house knows is going to be the next challenge for them to work on. they feel pretty good so many presidents have wanted to get an infrastructure bill passed. president biden got a little bit closer than a lot of his predecessors have. >> kristin sinema said she didn't support it. >> it had a lot of people nervous on the democratic side when sinema came out and made a bold statement. it could complicate things. sinema did make it clear she's going to vote for the budget resolution, which is the framework to begin the negotiations around that budget package but that she's uncomfortable with the price tag of $3.5 trillion. they reacted strongly to sinema making that statement saying that they are much more concerned about the reconciliation package and perhaps they won't vote for the
bipartisan deal as a result but everybody up here believes this is just part of the long-term negotiating process. this is kristin sinema and joe manchin finding a way to get what they want in this package and ultimately when it comes to push comes to shove, they'll vote for it. this is a long process and they have a long way to go. >> still to come, simone biles future at the tokyo games is uncertain. we'll speak to two people including paulo ono who understand the immense mental health burden that comes with pursuing the gold.
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but it will help you and your family stay safe during an emergency. today u.s. olympic gymnast simone biles withdrew from a second event, all around event. she'll be evaluated daily to see whether she'll participate in events. on tuesday after withdrawing from the women's team final she said it was a mental health issue. i didn't want to do something silly out there and get injured. the risk is the subject of a docum documentary called weight of gold. michael phelps joined us at that time to share his own struggles with mental health issues. take a look. >> i mean, i think the biggest
thing i can say is you're not alone. you know, i felt after, you know, talking to some of these athletes and seeing firsthand in 2016 how many other athletes were struggling, that was an eye opener for me. but then i realized that i wasn't alone, we could all do something together and help out so many others. i think just talking about what you're going through, for me it's literally been a game changer, a life changer. >> tonight we're proud the film's director could join us. also apollo ohno. also participated in the film. apollo, obviously there's been a lot of reaction to simone biles withdrawing. michael phelps said it broke his heart to see the anguish she was going through. what did you think about when you heard it? >> i think it's very challenging to decipher what happens between someone's two years.
the mind is the greatest asset or sometimes it's the world's strongest prison. at first glance you see someone who is the ultimate performer when we often like to portray them as invincible and all of the ideas we want to see from a super hero figure. when we forget they're human we forget they have bad days and we always support athletes when they win and they are champion. when we see them on the stage, we always wish we can or they would like to be. we can support them when they need it most. i think we're in an era where we're starting to redefine what strength and vulnerability and mind set actually mean. >> do you see a big change in terms of the way whether it's big sports or people inside, outside view mental health issues, emotional issues? >> absolutely. i think with the causes and the
organizations and the super stars around the world being vulnerable, showcasing their human side of who they are and the organizations and teams taking it that injury doesn't come in the form of intenlly. apollo talked about a balance. for a lot of athletes, particularly going for the olympics, there's not a lot of balance. michael phelps from the time he was a little kid, that's all i did was go back and forth. he never took a day off. christmas he was swimming. he was swimming on his birthday. you made a film on this so i
know you know. do you see this change happenings? where do you think it goes? >> yeah. first of all, i remember when he raced michael. >> you're giving me too much credit to say i raced. i flailed around in a pool and he blew past me. >> there's a movement going on for mental health and with these athletes just the few weeks and now simone and it's something michael's been talking about for a few years now. i'm just great if the the conversation is opening up. when you talk about the lack of balance that these athletes might have, i see these relating to the rest of us. i see us living in a culture that can feel zero sum game. it's scary.
these things like balance and focus and identity are something we're all dealing with, not to mention the pandemic and a lot of other challenges. these athletes just happen to be really out front and under an even bigger microscope than the rest of us. >> there's a question of what happens after the olympics, when sponsorships go away, along with the attention, accolades and that clear determination to accomplish this goal and once that's passed, that transition has got to be extraordinarily difficult. >> it's incredibly difficult. call it the hard pivot, reinvention, transition, the great divorce. your first true love. everyone can relate to this. you do this for a decade, 15 years, 20 years plus, every element was det dated at.
what other skills do i have? do you fit into this world that feels like it's chaotic and no longer makes sense for me? it's a challenge. there's a tremendous opportunity underlying to embrace people and let them know we've all had certain circumstances or that it's never good enough. now a conversation is evolving. it's okay you have these terrible situations and emotional breakdowns. sometimes you're human. that divorce that occurs from the previous life as they start to figure out what other personalities? how do you interact and be conducive and collective, what does it look like? i hope that's happening. >> i really appreciate it.
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you may remember a lot exchanged from a mother in arkansas. the 8-year-old son was diagnosed with covid and the refusal to get vaccinated. >> did anyone you know get covid? >> my son. >> what was that like? >> he was sick a lot. he's been sick a lot for a long aisle. he got real sick. fever i ever day for weeks. >> are you going to get the vaccine? >> no, no vaccine. >> how come? >> i just don't trust the government. >> that kind of viewpoint isn't confined to the center of the state. they're rapidly filling up
hospital beds throughout being inoculated. >> vaccine backlash. >> there is no evidence that the covid -- >> you shut down. >> no, and that's been the data. but >> this social media post shows angry residents shouting down an expert attempting to refute coronavirus vaccines. >> you don't need to yell. i'll give you the microphone. >> community meetings like these are meant to boost vaccine rates. despite the confrontation, governor asa hutchinson says vaccinations are up. >> we've had a 40% increase in people getting the doses. >> reporter: that might sound good but it still means only about 40% of the state's population is fully vaccinated. meanwhile covid-19 hospitalizations have been rising daily over the past three weeks. the last time the states had
this many icus had this many covid patients was january. but one little rock hospital has never had so many covid-19 patients. arkansas children's hospital. >> so, throughout the pandemic, this is the worst you've seen? >> this is the worst we've seen with your children, yeah, absolutely. >> reporter: half of the hospital's young covid patients are in the pediatric intensive care unit. at least two are on ventilators. >> when a child comes into your unit, do you question the parents and say, have you been vaccinated? >> we do ask. >> and what do you find? >> we find that often they're not vaccinated. >> and if their child is here, does that change that parent's mienld on the vaccine? >> absolutely. we've seen that multiple instances where now they wish they'd gotten their child vaccinated. >> sick children are a troubling trend, but in arkansas, covid-19 is killing far more adults needlessly. >> i'm angry that she didn't get
vaccinated. and i personally feel guilty that i didn't try harder. >> 63-year-old kim mcghim, her daughter says, loved her life and everyone in it, especially her grand kids. >> she worked out five days a week with a personal trainer. she loved to go to concerts. she loved to go out to eat. >> reporter: then came the fever, the soar throat, the diagnosis, the icu, the ventilator and the end. this is a photo of that moment. this is the point where i bring up and say she wasn't vaccinated. >> she was not. >> reporter: what reasons did she give? >> not good ones in my opinion. >> reporter: her father was also unvaccinated, and that's where rachel drew the line. >> i broke down on his front porch one day after going to visit my mom in the icu, and i just told him, i said i'm not doing this again.
you need to get vaccinated. i am not doing this again. i am not going through this again. >> reporter: he did. as for her mother, all rachel has left is a phone full of photos and videos, grief and a lot of guilt. >> i think i'll always feel like i could have tried harder to convince her. >> that's so sad. did rachel have any advice for people dealing with the challenge of talking to a loved one who's unvaccinated? for frs. >> i asked you that question, anderson, because i struggle in my own family. i have a young niece who has not been vaccinated. and she said you've got to keep up with the communication. don't cut them off. keep up that general pressure. but she also said they should have a serious conversation with you. ask them do they have a will. if they don't, they should get one. do they know what kind of funeral they want. who is going to look after the children? it may sound like overly
dramatic questions, but these are the issues that many families left behind now struggle with because their loved one selfish and said i don't need this vaccine and left them with not only heartbreak but all the headaches and a mountain of guilt. >> thank you. appreciate it. next, someone finally does what we've been trying to do for months, getting andrew clive to answer for his quote, a normal tourist visit. he's avoided talking to us, but he could not run from this particular accountability moment. and when you get a big deal... you feel like a big deal. ♪ priceline. every trip is a big deal. [beeping] [ringing] ♪ ♪ ♪
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>> i want to ask you this. they were asked the question by several of our colleagues, including ms. cheney, about statements that you made saying that the january 6th violent insurrection against congress was akin to a normal tourist visit. and those officers said they weren't tourists, they were terrorists. do you stand by your statement that they were tourists? >> i would like you to quote my exact statement. not your interpretation of my statement. >> okay. watching the tv footage of those who entered the capitol and walked through statuary hall show people in an orderly fashion staying between the stangss and ropes, taking videos and pictures. if you didn't know the video footage was a video from january
6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit. those are your words. >> and i stand by that exact statement as i said it. >> okay. do you agree or disagree with the officers who spent four or five hours battling that medieval mob that had baseball bats and lead pipes and so on, do you stand by the statement that the people they were fighting were tourists? or would you agree with them that they are terrorists? >> that statement did not say those people were tourists. >> there's your answer. despite gut wrenching testimony from four police officers yesterday, he apparently still believes it. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris? he just wants certain people who he wants to influence to believe he can tell them what he believe he can tell them what he wants they want to hear. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com anderson, always good to see you. i am chris cuomo.