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in the meantime, prices will begin to go upwards. the average price for a new car is now $41,000. you can follow me at tiktok, twitter. our coverage right now, well, it continues with one mr. wblitzer who is right next door in "the situation room." i'll see you tomorrow. happening now, president biden issues an urgent plea who are unvaccinated to get their shots as he faces a new covid emergency and prepares to order a vaccine mandate for federal workers. also tonight, after giving emotional testimony, officers attacked by capitol rioters say they feel abandoned by the national police union. i'll talk with a key member of the january 6 committee, republican congressman adam kinzinger in his first one-on-one interview since the hearing. and after weeks of frustration and wrangling,
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bipartisan senate negotiators strike a new deal on infrastructure. we're standing by for a critical test mode expected this hour. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer and you're in "the situation room." we begin with the president and the pandemic. let's go straight to our chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins. kai kaitlan, as covid-19 surges in the united states, the biden administration is getting more aggressive in its response. >> reporter: it's a noted shift of tone in the white house, not just when it comes to vaccine policy which we're expecting from president biden tomorrow, and you can hear him tonight pointing the blame on the unvaccinated. president biden frustrated by the numbers tonight. >> we still have a lot of people
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not vaccinated. >> reporter: with the formidable delta variant fueling new outbreaks, over half the country remains unvaccinated and biden is zeroing in on those who haven't gotten the shot. >> the pandemic we have now is the pandemic of the unvaccinated. so please, please, please, please, if you're not vaccinated, protect yourself and the children out there. >> reporter: the president was in pennsylvania to build support for his domestic agenda. but the delta surge remained in the spotlight after he was introduced by someone whose mother died from covid-19. >> carlo, i'm sorry about your mom, i really am. so many people. >> reporter: tomorrow biden is expected to announce that all federal employees must get vaccinated or submit to regular testing and other mitigation measures if they don't. >> while no decision has been finalized, i will say that the attestation of vaccination for federal employees is one under
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strong consideration. >> reporter: asking federal employees to get vaccinated would be a massive shift in the approach, afwhile california issued new mask guidance for the unvaccinated. >> if you are vaccinated, you could potentially give disease to someone else. >> reporter: those who are unvaccinated are overwhelmingly spreading the virus as they become more blunt about who is to blame about the current national dilemma. >> we have 100 million people in this country who are eligible to be vaccinated who have not gotten vaccinated. >> reporter: hospitalizations have been increasing for the last month. it went up 35% over the last week. almost daily there are new reports of those who regret not getting vaccinated. >> i never really realized how bad it would be, how bad this delta variant would be. >> reporter: but not everyone is heeding the new warnings.
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>> you're teaching our children to be cowards. >> reporter: a broward school board meeting on mask requirements for the upcoming year was disrupted this week by mask-burning protesters. >> these are the masks that are enslaving our children. >> reporter: in arkansas where a statewide ban on mask mandates goes into effect this week, governor asa hutchinson was shot down after he attempted to dispute false claims about the vaccine. >> does this impact infertility? the answer is no and that's been the data. >> so at this point in time, there is no evidence -- >> you are shut down from telling your stories. >> reporter: anger is across the nation, and we should tell you the cdc has quietly updated its testing guidance for those who are fully vaccinated. now they say even if you are fully vaccinated, if you come
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into contact with someone who has tested positive with covid-19, you should wait three to five days after exposure, then get tested, wear a mask until you get a negative test. that's notable, because before, the guidance was even if you're fully vaccinated and you come in contact with someone, you don't need to get tested unless you're symptomatic. a lot of changes here tonight. >> kaitlan collins at the white house. joining us now, our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta and dr. paul offit. he's a member of the vaccine education center of children's hospital of philadelphia. sanjay, the u.s. is now averaging more than 61,000 new covid-19 cases every day. a month ago we were seeing just 11,000 new covid-19 cases a day. can you put this into perspective for us. how bad is this getting? >> well, i mean, i'll preface by saying this is supposed to be
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one of the better times of year, the summer, when the virus doesn't transmit as much. you just said the numbers in terms of cases. they've gone up nearly fooivefo, but if you look at the map, two-thirds of the country are in areas where you have high or substantial viral transmission in addition to the cases going up, hospitalizations have increased 35% over the past week, sadly deaths have increased 22% over the last week. all of those numbers going in the wrong direction. vaccinations overall, thankfully, at least over the past few days have increased a bit, so there are more people who are getting vaccinated now than this time last week. but we'll keep an eye on that number, wolf, but overall, the cases of hospitalizations and deaths not going in the right direction. >> president biden expected to announce a vaccine mandate for federal workers tomorrow. should more vaccine mandates follow? >> yes, i think we're there. i think we've done everything we
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could in terms of educating people about the importance of this vaccine. it's free, it's readily available, we've tried to decrease misinformation. we've had incentives and we hit a wall. there was a time we were giving 3 million doses a day. if we stay that course, we could be at roughly 90% immunity. it's coming to the point where we have to compel people to get the vaccine. it's sad, but that's where we are. >> people with high-profile covid-19 should wear a mask when indoors with people. do you think this mandate may be causing more confusion, though? >> i think it is confusing, wolf. just talking to people over the last couple days. i also spoke with dr. walensky. the fundamental problem, as dr.
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of offit, is unvaccinated people transferring it to vaccinated people. you look at areas of high transmission, most assuredly you'll find lower vaccination rates there. and dr. walensky talks about someone who is vaccinated and adapts one of these breakthrough infections should have the virus in their nose and mouth and transfer it to someone else. if you're vaccinated, you may think, i'm totally free and clear, i can spend time with someone unvaccinated, no problem. that's where this might help a bit where you're going to spend time with vulnerable loved ones, you don't want to spread the virus to people, so vaccinated people should wear masks in public indoor spaces. how much of a difference does that make on that map you just showed? i don't know. what's driving red and orange on that map shows unvaccinated to vaccinated, primarily. >> you're absolutely right. sanjay, you have a question for
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dr. offitt. go ahead. >> doctor, you look at it, and hindsight is always 20/20, but back on the 13th, they changed the mask mandate for individuals saying they no longer need to wear them indoors. now it feels like a step backwards. what do you think about that may 13 decision to lift mask recommendations at that time for the vaccinated? >> i think what was behind that decision was basically a gift. if you've been vaccinated, you can now take off that mask. it trusted the fact, and i think it was too much trust, therefore, when you walked into a grocery store, everybody who was wearing a mask wasn't vaccinated, whoever isn't was vaccinated. that was a little short-sighted. i think the delta variant being as contagious as it is and an
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uptick in the virus, it is the right thing to do. >> 14.3% of the popu-- 49.3% ar fully vaccinated. we had a head start compared to much of the world. we had a lot of that vaccine available. what happened? you see canada, the u.k., france, spain, germany now ahead of the u.s. >> i just got back from tokyo and i had a chance to speak to different countries about their vaccine programs. i would say it's tough to paint it with one brush, to treat vaccine hesitancy or whatever as a monolithic issue, because there's different reasons for different people. overall, i think what happened in this country compared to other countries is it just became so political. obviously, you can't vaccinate those 12 and under. there may be people who have legitimate reasons for not getting vaccinated. there may be people who have process reasons.
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they can't get the days off work or they don't feel well after the vaccine. i've heard all these different sorts of things. but mostly i think what keeps us under 50%, still, is politics. >> yeah, i think you're absolutely right. dr. sanjay gupta, dr. paul offitt. thank you very much. the story seems to be getting worse. just ahead, a critical test vote on infrastructure after a new agreement that potentially could move one of the president's priorities forward. you're looking at live pictures coming in from the senate floor. we'll have live coverage of this key infrastructure procedural vote that's coming up. we'll also get special insight into the next phase of the january 6 special committee investigation. i'll speak with two key panel members, democrat adam schiff and republican adam kinzinger. they're both standing by live. stay with us here in "the situation room." with plant based cleansers. and moisturizers for healthy and hydrated men, skin,
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you're looking at live photos from the senate floor. we're looking at a vote of an infrastructure deal. this is after they finally reached an agreement with the biden administration on some major issues. ryan nobles is joining us right now. ryan, what's in this senate deal? will it actually stick? >> well, wolf, we are pretty confident it's going to make it through this first stage, this procedural vote. in fact, there was a key supporter that just came out announcing his support, and that's senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. that's a signal there will be more than the 10 republican votes necessary to get through this phase. this is what's in this infrastructure bill that has been so hotly debated the last
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couple months here. it allows for $110 billion on roads, bridges and major projects, 66 billion for passenger and freight rate, 65 billion for high speed internet, 55 billion for clean drinking water and 39 billion for public transit. this is the first step to what is likely to be a very long process. in addition to the $110 billion the senate has proposed, it also has to pass the house and it comes at the same time that broader $310 billion budget plan which will be passed through reconciliation, which means only democratic votes. even speaker nancy pelosi says they're not passing this bipartisan bill until they have assurances that the reconciliation package is going to pass as well. there isn't even 100% assurance
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yet that there are 50 democratic votes here in the senate for the reconciliation vote as well. that can be confusing. a lot of numbers thrown out. the long and short of this is this is the beginning of a very long process. democrats seem very committed to getting both of these bills passed, but wolf, there is a long way to go before this ends up on president biden's desk. today a big step toward that process. >> you're right, ryan, this is the beginning of this process. thank you very, very much. let's discuss this more. congressman adam schiff is joining us. he's a key member of the january 6 insurrection committee. he's also the chairman of the house intelligence committee. congressman, thank you very much for joining us. i want to discuss all of this, but let's talk about this infrastructure proposal. democratic congresswoman ocasio cortez had a scathing response to this. she said, good luck tanking your
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own party's investment on child care, climate and infrastructure while you're presuming you'll survive a three vote house ma margin, especially after choosing to exclude members of color from negotiations and calling that a bipartisan accomplishment. is this the first step to getting an agreement? >> you're right that this is the first step. it's almost impossible to get the senate to agree on anything these days, and after four years of no infrastructure, this is positive movement. at the same time, i think it's absolutely correct that this package alone is not going to pass the house. it's going to have to pass in conjunction with a large reconciliation bill that includes human infrastructure, that invests in our people.
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i think the speaker has made that abundantly clear. i think it's positive momentum, but nobody should be under any illusion that this package is going to pass as a stand-alone measure without more because there is so much more we need to do for the country. >> on that $3.5 trillion reconciliation budget deal, it's not even clear if there were 50 democrats in the senate, though, congressman, to approve it, so it's by no means -- even that's not a done deal. >> that's right. you know, first there will be, i guess, a test vote in the senate and we'll see how the votes line up at this earlier stage. but, you know, this is part of a long-term project and ilts -- it's going to be a real test of skill and strategy to figure out how to get to the end zone of this. we all want to do a major infrastructure package. the country desperately needs it. and we need to make this major investment in our people, so
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hopefully we will get there and this will be marked as the first step in that, but there is still a long road ahead of us. >> there certainly is. let's turn to the january 6 investigation, congressman. i want you to watch and listen to what republican member liz cheney says as far as the next steps are concerned. listen to this. >> we've got to make sure that we get to every piece of information that matters. i think the speaker has been very clear that -- and the chairman that we're going to issue subpoenas quickly, that we're going to enforce those subpoenas. >> so how quickly, congressman, will those subpoenas be issued, and who do you need to hear from? >> well, i think you could see subpoenas go out very soon, and those subpoenas would most likely be for documents. it's most useful in an investigation to get ahold of the documents first. that way you know a lot of the questions you want to ask the witnesses and it may direct you
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to the right witnesses. what i think we're going to do now is we're going to scope out the investigation, we're going to essentially draw up what the chronology is in terms of what information we go after first. we will look at scheduling another hearing, perhaps as early as next month, and as liz cheney said, we're going to follow the evidence wherever it leads. we're not going to be at all hesitant to issue subpoenas or to compel production with those subpoenas, whether that is for documents or testimony. >> we have to learn exactly what happened, how it happened, why it happened to make sure it never, ever happens again. i know you have to go vote. we heard the bells go on. congressman schiff, we'll continue this conversation down the road. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, republican congressman adam kinzinger. he's getting ready. there he is. he's going to join us for the first one-on-one interview since the january 6 committee first launched its investigation. we have a lot of questions about what happened yesterday, his emotional questioning of these
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you're looking at looifr pictures of the u.s. senate floor, a key test vote on that bipartisan infrastructure deal is set to begin at any moment. we'll have coverage, of course. also tonight, police officers who battled rioters on january 6 say they feel abandoned by their national union, the fraternal order of police. our security correspondent josh campbell is joining us right now. josh, the national union is failing to come forward and support these police officers
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who risked their lives on january 6? >> that's what we're hearing from so many of these officers, including three of them that testified before the house select committee, and there's a question about whether politics are at play here, perhaps whether these unions are afraid to alienate some of their members who might be trump supporters. nevertheless, what we're hearing from these officers is they want this organization to rise above politics. the main thing they're seeking is a public denunciation of those who are trying to downplay the insurrection. >> traumatized by the insurrection on january 6, those on the front line want support of the police union, which represents 300,000 officers nationwide. >> after january 6, neither myself nor any other officer that i spoke to that experienced that day ever had any outreach from the national fraternal order of police. zero. >> reporter: officer michael
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fanone says he decided to contact the fraternal order of police six months after the insurrection. >> i'll be honest with you, i wasn't particularly impressed with that conversation. >> reporter: fanone tells cnn he asked the police union to publicly denounce those who lied about the severity of the january 6 attack. >> some i found particularly offensive were the former president's remarks that it was a love fest between us and the rioters. >> reporter: but while the nation's largest police union have shied away from republicans who have downplayed the attack on the officers at the capitol, the organization has been able to condemn some progressives involving police reform. >> i don't think anybody should be surprised. the ones trying to ldenigrate
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their officers are the ones not supporting this insurrection. >> reporter: they said there should be nothing to debate on these points. you either stand with the officers or you stand with the terrorists. the organization did issue a statement on january 6, praising officers and condemning the lawlessness. in a new statement tuesday, the flp again stuck with the officers and said, we will be with them as they grieve and give our support. >> i ask them to publicly denounce any active duty or retired law enforcement that participated in an insurrection
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at the capitol. i have received no commitment as to any of those things. none whatsoever. >> reporter: the officers have gotten support from newly appointed capitol police chief tom manger who sat down with cnn on his first day on the job. >> i know what the men and women of this agency went through. i know the challenges that they faced. i also know the courage that they displayed that day. and it was a horrific time. we're going to work hand in glove with the department of justice to make sure that these folks are held accountable. >> reporter: now, wolf, the president for the fraternal order of police was on cnn a short time ago speaking with our colleague jake tapper. he said as far as officer fanone, he has reached out to try to offer resources and facilitate communication with the local police union, but what we're hearing from fanone and other officers, that is not enough. they're not looking for resources to help them cope,
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they have those, what they want is this juggernaut of an organization to put their foot down and set straight about what these officers went through on january 6. >> josh campbell reporting. let's discuss this and more with congressman adam kinzinger, one of two republicans who served on the january 6 select committee. congressman, thank you so much for joining us. i know you've gotten to know these police officers well. how hard is it to hear that they feel that their police union has, for all practical purposes, seemed to have abandoned them? >> yeah, it's difficult. this is -- actually, when i saw your reporting this morning on cnn about it, it was kind of news to me. i mean, i've gotten to know officer fanone quite well, and i can tell you these officers feel abandoned on a lot of different levels as was everett in the hearing yesterday. to hear now that their police union seems to be shying away, the police union was completely appropriate in condemning those that wanted to defund the police
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or whatever, but they need to be consistent. defend your officers, resource are great. i think they have the resources they need right now, it's being provided. but more important we need more authority of the fop to come in and say, look, you cannot attack officers and also as leaders, you should not deny the fact they were attacked. >> that would be valley significant. the republican party, you're a republican, a conservative republican, have been for a long, long time. the republican party has always projected itself as the law and order pro law enforcement policy. can your gop colleagues still make that claim while hanging these police officers, at least many of them, out to dry? >> well, i can. for the party at large, you know, i guess that's a political question that people have to decide and the party has to decide. i will say this, if, again, it's one thing to argue some of the nuances, but then to not condemn members, republican members of
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congress particularly that obfiscate or deny or distract or deflect from what actually happened and pretend like it was, to quote the former president, hugs and kisses. to host members of congress, nothing other than a tourist visit, that's going to be a tougher case to make. i think every republican needs to look kind of deep into their soul and say, okay, maybe you're scared of ticking some people off, but this has long-term implications and not just political implications, human implications, and frank the implications for self-governance, which is why i'm so passionate about this. >> as you should be, obviously. your select committee, the january 6 select committee, heard very powerful testimony yesterday from these four police officers who fought to protect the capitol, they risked their loo lives, they were badly injured in the process, and i know this affected you personally as well. i'm going to play this clip for our viewers who missed it. watch this. >> you guys may, like,
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individually feel a little broken. you guys all talk about the effects you have to deal with and you talk about the impact of that day. but you guys won. you guys held. democracies are not defined by our bad days. we're defined by how we come back from bad days. >> these personal accounts obviously from these police officers clearly had an impact on you, it had an impact on me, i think everyone who was watching and hearing what they had to say. but it was really obnoxious and disgusting, one personality on fox actually mocked you calling those tears of yours a performance. how do you respond to that? >> well, you know, that personality on that television show i don't think has ever served in uniform a day in his
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life. i would argue that that is a very cold-hearted thing or it's just simply driven on expanding your cold-hearted personality for ratings. look, the reason that hit me so strongly, i was sitting there getting ready to ask my questions, and i realized, it's important for people to see the humanity of these officers, but the brokenness individually, i've gotten to know mike fanone, as you know, very well. it's important to hear that they actually did win that day. it took a lot of human control. hundreds of officers were injured, some seriously injured, and they won. and that's a reminder, look, i'm a military guy. military people and police officers kind of have the same, in essence, kind of shared brotherhood, if you will. and i looked at these tough people who are willing to show their vulnerability to 350 million americans, which is not something that, you know, police officers are usually excited to do, and they needed to be
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reminded of that. it caught me off guard, but i think it's important just to show people that these are human beings, and i think yesterday did a good job of showing the humanity of it outside of the cold political calculations that everybody takes every day out here. >> that fox personality, by the way, never served a day in uniform in her -- in her -- life. i just want to be precise on that. >> interesting. >> you're a lieutenant colonel in the u.s. air national guard. you served heroically in iraq and afghanistan. you know what war is. for someone who has known you for a long time, for me to see you choke up like that. adam schiff, by the way, he choked up as well during those hearings. those police officers were very emotional. it was such a powerful moment. let's talk about where we all go from here. your select committee moving guard with subpoenas. we have a good sense of who spoke to the former president as the attack was unfolding on january 6. your colleagues jim jordan and
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kevin mccarthy, also mark meadows, ivanka trump, senator tommy tuberville. should they be expected to receive subpoenas from this special committee? >> well, i don't want to get into the tactics and the details because, you know, we're in the fact-finding process of where do we need to go, where does this lead? one thing we don't want this to do is to become just kind of another political spectacle. we want actual answers. we want to know what led to this, who was responsible, all these questions. that is the process we undertake now. fortunately or unfortunately, a lot of it won't be publicized or televised because this is where that kind of hard nitty-gritty of investigation happens. but i will tell you, wolf, if i have anything to do with it, and if what i see today comes to fruition which i think it will, i think anybody with a role in all of this should expect, you know, some -- at least
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discussions to happen, because we are going to get to the bottom of this, and we're going to go where the facts lead. >> one of the police officers, and they were all heroic, harry dunn offered an analogy during his testimony, sworn testimony before your committee, that a hit man, he says, goes to jail for killing someone, but so does the person who hired the hit man. is that now your mission, finding out who hired the so-called hit man? >> yeah. i think -- yes. because the mission is to find out what led to what happened on january 6. because the one thing we know is it wasn't a spontaneous, you know, we talk about the security posture and that's important to get to the bottom of, too, but an inadequate security posture is not like a vortex sucking protesters too far into the capitol. that is the issue we need to get to the bottom of, but that's not what caused january 6. yeah, there is a lot of questions. but i think we're going to get to the bottom of this.
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by the way, officer dunn's testimony about having racial slurs yelled at him, saying that was the first time in a uniform, broke my heart. but i tell you, we should be spending as a party way more time denouncing those people that may claim to be republicans than we should denouncing, i don't know, liz cheney, me and others that want to get to the truth. >> on that point, what kind of reaction have you, has your office received over these past 24 hours? >> you can imagine highly charged emotional responses. some people calling appreciative, some people quite angry. and it's the same with colleagues, right? i still get along with people. i understand there is friendship and professional, but this is uncomfortable, yes, for me, it's uncomfortable for others. you can feel isolated in this process, and that's actually why i started country first, because i realized there are a lot of people who feel like liz and i and others who are saying we just want to get to the truth,
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we can't do this alone, we need help. >> without mentioning names, and i'm sure you won't want to mention names, but what have you heard from your republican colleagues? >> you know, a lot of -- not a lot of people saying "i don't understand why you're doing." even if they disagree with me taking this position on the committee, i think they understand that this isn't a political calculation, it's based on what i feel like is the right thing to do. and i think there is a lot of people -- i haven't necessarily gotten this one on one from people -- that are really nervous. look, when you're fighting in darkness and the truth is trying to emerge, that's a frightening thing for some people, particularly those who have actively tried to cover up truth. >> it was interesting, the minority leader in the house, kevin mccarthy, the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, they both said they didn't watch the hearing. i wonder if you ever ahave a me for these two republican leaders in the senate? >> i'm sure they did.
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i'm sure they were getting rundowns on it. the bottom line, even if you disagree with the committee, even if you don't want to see what's happening, you had four officers that put their life on the line to defend this country that represent, by the way -- they weren't just there as themselves, they were representing thousands that did hand-to-hand combat. you at least owe them your attention. and if you didn't receive a copy of it, i'd be happy to send them a copy so they can sit in their office and do that. >> should the senate be subpoenaed to testify before the committee? >> we need to do work to see where the facts are. i don't think we would rule anything off the table, but the key is how do we get to the facts and how do we lead to politics. obviously politics is involved because it's the nature of being out here, but as apolitical and as nonpartisan as we can be, and i think we did a good job yesterday of that, we can get to
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answers. >> have any of your republican colleagues actually privately said to you, good work, i support you. >> oh, yes. a number of them. >> is it a handful? give me a ballpark number. >> you know, because over time i don't know. there is a lot of people, you know, that come up and say it. it's not any of them that go on tv and spout the big lie and then say it. it's the ones that stay more quiet that i think appreciate the stand. but it's a lot. wolf, the thing to keep in mind, save one or two, maybe, out here, nobody -- and i think it's important to repeat -- nobody actually believes the election was stolen from donald trump, but a lot of them are happy to go out and say it was. >> are you still comfortable being a member of the republican party? have you given any thought at all of maybe switching parties as you're going to have to seek re-election next year? >> i am a republican at heart. i was a republican way before donald trump since i was six years old, i believe in the
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values i'm fighting for and i believe a party with such a great, rich history deserves to have people, even if it's just a couple of us at the moment, in there to fight for the soul of it. >> are you confident the hearing schedule will continue next month in august? during the recess, obviously there is huge interest in what's going on. >> they're going to continue. an important thing people need to understand, though, hearings are like seeing the tip of the iceberg. it's obviously important, we want that information out there. but a lot of work is being done prior to that and up to that. hearings are almost secondary to the actual work of the committee, so be advised, be known, let it be heard loud and clear, we're moving. we're moving as fast as we can expeditiously and thoroughly, so we expect to have more hearings soon, but that doesn't necessarily indicate work or lack thereof.
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>> only two republican members of this select committee. are you satisfied right now based on the cooperation you're getting that your views and liz cheney's views, for that matter, are being heard and that the kind of questions you want asked will be asked and answered? >> yes, so far. it's obviously very delicate, right? republicans and democrats pretty far apart. most of my democratic colleagues, i don't agree on much with them, but we agree on the biggest thing right now, that democracy is at threat. self-governing requires accountability and truth. as of yesterday, too, with that hearing, i think we're on the march to maybe doing something rare in d.c. which is putting those stripes aside for answers. >> betting back to what that police officer said, who sent the hit men to the capitol on january 6? >> you know, if you're asking me
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who sent -- i probably maybe a few weeks ago would have given you an answer of what i think. right now i think it's important for me to say let's see what the facts are. it may be one or many, we don't know, but that's what we want to get to the truth of. i wish i knew that all today, but i will tell you, we're going to work as expeditiously and thoroughly as we can. >> there was an opportunity for the republicans to have an equal independent commission, a 9/11 type commission, to go forward and investigate five democrats, five republicans, both sides equal in terms of the procedure. but in the end, kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell rejected that. was that a blunder? >> i think a huge blunder. that was my preference. it would be 5 and 5, fair subpoena power, equal subpoena power. kind of done without being a spectacle. not members of congress who sdroent a political motive.
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that would have been great. i think was shut down under the impression of this, you can't move on until we get answers. this isn't like 18 years ago, it's seven months ago. it's way too soon to move on until we know what happened. >> how will your republican colleagues be remembered, historically speaking, down the road for pushing forward what we call the big lie? >> look, i think many who have just kind of not been out there -- we'll see. those who have stood up on television and stood up on whatever social media platform for money, for retweets, for likes and put open lies out there, i think they will be judged by the country. i mean, because ultimately -- the truth is going to be known. if somebody really thinks that this narrative of january 6 that some are trying to push is actually going to be like the one written in the history
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books, it's not. it's just a question of when, is it sooner or later? but it's coming. i wouldn't want to be the one out there on tv pushing the big lie and think somebody would eventually be proud of what i was doing. >> i don't know if you saw that exchange of cothat congressman n of maryland had with one of your republican colleagues yesterday. it was a really nasty exchange, the republican insisting these were tourists. he stood by his earlier comment that these were simply tourists who went up to capitol hill. >> i didn't get a chance to see it all. i saw highlights but i didn't know the context or anything. don't defend this as tourists. it's okay to turn around and say you were wrong. if there was somebody who believed this was just a bunch of tourists and it wasn't what it was, they're ignoring the videos out there. this happened. i lived it, so many people lived
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it. representative clyde, i think is his name, lived it. let's just confront the truth. what's the old saying, the truth will set you free. the sooner you confront the truth, the sooner you can move on. >> one of the police officers, hodges, he repeatedly referred to those individuals not as tourists who came up to capitol hill, but terrorists. i heard him say it 17, 18, 19 times, referring to these individuals who attacked the police, tried to storm into the u.s. capitol as terrorists. do you agree? >> i don't think he's wrong in his assessment, how he talks about it. i don't want to use that term because i don't want to be further inflammatory. i want to get to the answers, hold owes accountable, hold those who launched this accountable. i don't think he was wrong in his assessment. >> no, he was very, very blunt. all four of them .
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what is your message to the american people right now, some of whom are saying, you know what, as some of your republican colleagues are insisting, it's all nancy pelosi's fault, the speaker, because she didn't do enough to call in the national guard. >> my message is simple. we praise rightly those men and women of the military that we need people willing to sacrifice everything to defend freedom. shouldn't we as members of congress be willing to give up our career if it takes that for a similar cause? for the truth, for the defense of democracy. and, you know, if you're out there watching and you don't believe it, i'd encourage you to watch the videos. if you don't want to watch the videos and see the facts, you have to come to grips you don't want to know the truth but you're buying the narrative because it's part of the tribe. look, break away from the tribe. be who you are.
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be independent, have conservative values. that's what we use to desire and demand of our leaders and unfortunately now, we demand nothing but sole followership of one man's whims for a day. >> congressman kinzinger, we're grateful to you for your service in the house of representatives and united states military. thank you so much for joining us. >> you bet, wolf. activists are growing i inpatient with president biden as voting legislation seems to stall in congress. martin luther king, iii is here in t"the situation room." buy a car-- get this-- from their couch. oh, how disruptive. no salesman there to help me pick out the car i need. how does anyone find a car on this site without someone like us checking in? she's a beauty, huh? oh, golly! (laughter) i can help you find the color you want. that sounds nice. let me talk to my manager. (vo) buy your next car 100% online.
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right now with president biden. let's discuss this and more with the global human rights leader martin luther king, iii joining us "the situation room." martin, thank you for joining us. are you getting inpatient with the president of the united states as some of your civil rights leaders publicly ex prepr -- ex pressed? >> i wouldn't characterize it this way. they should be concerned.judgme the right to vote instead of reducing the right to vote we're seeing happening around the country. >> what would you like to see the president, he's spending a lot of time on infrastructure, which is important, what should he be doing now to help you and all those who would like to see voting rights expanded? >> i think he certainly made strong statements. i think there has to be some additional action. i don't know if it's trying to push some of his colleagues. i mean, the filibuster itself is a concern of mine in terms of it being maintained. i'm not sure we can get voting
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rights without doing something. i think the carveout congressman clyburn talks about would be a good step. we do that around budget issues, why can't we do it around the right to vote? >> because some of your colleagues in the civil rights movement are clearly frustrated right now and some are angry. one of them said good speech as far as president biden's speech was concerned. so what is the strategy and the filibuster now? that's what they're saying. should the filibuster for this specific cause be over with? >> well, i don't know that it should be over with. i would like to see it over. if i was in congress, i certainly would be one supporting it being over. i don't know there are votes to do that. i think there are votes to do something. i mean, i think there are a number of creative ways that can be used. i want to see them happen and see us get something done very soon. that's why we're having a march on august 28th, the anniversary on the march in washington and
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having about ten marches across the country. we'll continue to be out in the streets to engage, to strategize, organize and bring about change in this country. >> clearly a critically important issue. thanks so much for coming in and coming to washington today. >> thank you. >> martin luther king, iii, thank you very much. i want to get a quick update from cnn's ryan nobles on capitol hill. what is going on with this long awaited infrastructure deal? >> reporter: voting on the motion for the prosecedural mov to get to the next stage of the process and it's going along the way we expected. it appears there will be enough republican votes to push this over the threshold to move onto the next stage. of course, you need 60 votes to move a bill past this stage. some of the key members that we're waiting for in terms of their vote, the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, a republican saying he's going to support the legislation. another key vote on the democratic side is senator
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bernie sanders of vermont, of course, the chair of the influential budget committee is the author of the big $3.5 trillion reconciliation package moving along at the same time as this infrastructure package. he has said that he will vote to move this forward at this stage, not saying he's officially endorsing the package but at least allowing this process to move forward. so they just looks like they have a little more than a minute left in the vote but at this stage, wolf, it looks like it will have 60 votes necessary to pass. we should point out there is a significant amount of republicans, significant number of republicans who are still voting no for this package. so even though there will be the republicans who believe that enough of them to move it to the next stage, there is still a lot of republican opposition to this bill, but it will ultimately be bipartisan. that is what president biden wanted and what the senate majority leader chuck schumer wanted, as well. they'll get a win here tonight. the question is as this moves along, will it stay on track and
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ultimately be passed. wolf? >> the senate and then we'll see what happens in the house of representatives. ryan nobles on capitol hill, thank you for that update, we'll continue to monoitor the vote ad to our viewers, thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront". get the vaccine or you're fired. that's one company's blunt message to its employees tonight as mega corporations like google, facebook and netflix are joining. are companies leading, doing what the government should be doing now? breaking news a deal is made, the white house announcing a major agreement on the president's signature economic plan, some in his party are already balking. will it survive the democrats? and who could be getting the first subpoenas that from the january 6th committee? kevin mccarthy, jim jordan? donald trump himself? let's go "ou

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