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respect from all quarters for u.s. gymnast simone biles
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perhaps the greatest ever female gymnast, recipient of four olympic golds and 19 world championship titles. she left the women's gymnastics team finals at the tokyo olympics citing a need to protect her own mental health. afterward she appeared alongside her teammates and discussed her reasons in more detail. >> i just felt like it would be a little bit better to take a back seat, work on my mindfulness and i knew the girls would do an absolutely great job and i didn't want to risk the team a medal for kind of my screw ups because they've worked way too hard for that. >> one former teammate commended biles for her, quote, bravery. senator mitt romney who ran the 2002 winter games wrote on twitter, quote, i love and admire simone biles. biles was noncommittal when asked whether she would compete in her remaining events. the next one the women's individual all-around final is thursday. the news continues right now. let's turn things over to chris for "cuomo primetime." >> few things give me hope,
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coop, the way this simone biles situation is being processed. we've all seen in sports where someone has an injury and they go out, hey, they'll test it out and see if they are game ready. game time decision. we've heard that a thousand times. now we're seeing that count for the holistic sense of health. there is no mental health versus physical health. it is all the same. it is good to see that respected. i know some are saying this is weakness. she is a champion. she should go out and perform. you would not say that if she was walking with a bad limp. you would say listen, you got to put the team first. good for her. that is what we should say now. i really believe with this, osaka, venus williams, i don't like that i'm kooeg on women even though women have a tendency to understand the intelligence of emotions and psychology more quickly and more easily than men. but there are a lot of men that suffer this way also just like they had a bad organ or a bad
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joint. and this is the same thing. hurt is hurt. pain is pain. it gives me hope. i hope she competes and wins. it is important to cover especially the way you are doing it. as always, appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. >> all right, brother. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." or else. that is where we are again. months of pleading that we need to protect ourselves with the gift of a vaccine or else. you see you'll be told things have changed. and it's not true. and here is the argument. the variant will create cases at a rate we can't control if we don't take the vaccine. that's what they said. or else if you don't take the vaccine, if we don't do the right things, things may go back to being more restrictive. that's what they always said. or else. the fall may not be what we want it to be. all of this was said. all this was known.
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when they told us we didn't have to wear the mask anymore with the vaccine it was because of the alpha variant. but they said if not enough people will get vaccinated this virus will change. if you let the virus spread you will have more variants and more trouble. that's the loud part of this. that's what happened. the science hasn't changed. the cdc stance and all the experts that come on all these shows have all been saying this. the variant, the variants continues because this thing keeps spreading, things might change. so when you hear, what happened to the science? they told us science says the vaccinated don't need to wear masks anymore. yeah. based on what? the alpha variant and how cases were trending and how people who are vaccinated were responding as a function of the rate of people getting protected by taking the vaccine. but they always said, but, but, but.
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we didn't want to hear it then. we just wanted to hear the good news. but this was always there. if people don't get the vaccine and the variant comes and continues to spread, there will be more variants and things could change and here we are. what a shame. let the map tell the story of the problem. baits kali all of america is in the red right now. so the cdc has altered guidance for the vaccinated to take their masks off. now you have to put them back on indoors in certain areas. >> unlike the alpha variant we had back in may where we didn't believe that if you were vaccinated you could transmit further, this is different now with the delta variant. we are seeing now that it is actually possible if you are a rare breakthrough infection that you can transmit further which is the reason for the change. >> you could say, see, they never knew. see? they were telling us these things. this is why i'm not taking the
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vaccine. they don't know. but that is stupid, okay? because they can only go on the facts and understandings that exist in reality. they knew if people didn't get protected the virus would continue to vary itself and that is what is happening. the shift in guidance doesn't mean the vaccines are a failure. it means that not enough of us are getting the shots quickly enough to keep this virus in check as we did in the beginning with the first big wave of people getting vaccinated. remember it was the left saying trump vaccine, forget that. i'm not taking that vaccine. this guy is a liar and a fraud. yeah he said it. my brother said it. a lot of people on the left said i'll check with my doctors, the experts. and they did. and the vaccine went out and was given to millions and we saw the facts and the feelings were replaced by the facts. why isn't that happening now? we all want the virus to stop
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mutating. we all want to control it so we can burn our masks for good. that's why i take issue with people who seem to be soft selling the vaccine in this trade-off with a misplaced sense of freedom. >> let's not try to go back to the times of 2020 where we're talking about lockdowns and mandates and finding people and putting them in jail if they don't do exactly what we want them to do. >> i don't get the message. i keep asking dan crenshaw to come on the show. he'd rather talk about me than to me. his people say he is busy. he is on camera more than i am, this guy. don't come after them. they have the right not to take it. let's not go back to 2020. what do you think is going to happen if every time you talk about the vaccine you put in a qualification they don't have to take it?
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just because you have the right not to take the vaccine doesn't mean it is right for you not to do so. of course you are free not to take it. but should you take it, why isn't he as vehement on that side of it? he's got the facts. he is a smart guy. what about the people you put at risk if you exercise your freedom not to take it? like kids, maybe your kids, and those were immune compromised and can't take the virus or the elderly and infirm. what about their freedom? what about the interplay of your choice and their choice? why not discuss that? we are the land of the free because of the home of the brave. why leave that part out? we are the land of the free because we are the home of the brave. why not push the bravery? why not push the case for taking the vaccine as much as saying you have the right not to. think about it. if you want someone to lose weight do you balance saying, hey listen, you should diet, but
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you have the right to eat cake and nothing but cake. do you tell a smoker, you should quit, but you have the right to smoke yourself to black lung death. no. why? they know they have freedom or not freedom and you are not looking to balance the good with the bad, not looking to balance safety with a misplaced sense of self-determination. of course you can but should you? isn't that a leader's place to talk about where the exigencies lie? the answer on the vaccine and crenshaw knows this, cruz knows this, they all know this, is that in almost all cases a doctor should consider the answer is you should get the vaccine. why doesn't a crenshaw or a cruz, why do i talk about them? because they matter. and i don't want to hear your hate about crenshaw. listen. the guy represented this country. he lost his eye in service. when people joked about that i said it was wrong. there are certain lines we just can't cross. and i want him to come on and
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make the case. i don't want to play tit for tat with him on instagram or twitter. this is real. this matters. come on the big stage. you have the invitation. you should take it. that's leadership. it is a legitimate question. do you know how hard we had to dig to find out when cruz or crenshaw specifically got vaccinated? they don't talk about it much. why? why don't they talk about their decision to get vaccinated as much as they talk about how people have the freedom not to do so and how this is government trying to control you and we shouldn't punish people for not taking it. why emphasize that? i want you to come on and make your case, my brothers. we are in a bad place. we need to talk about why we're here as a way of finding a way out of it. i don't think it is a coincidence that some of those soft selling the vaccine are also among those ignoring january 6th or trying to minimize it. those who are quiet about the election fraud farce going on in their party. advantage is being found in
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division. that is the common thread with all of those, isn't it? opposition is a legitimate position these days for the out party, one of the big problems of the binary system. it is too easy to do us and them. and right now, that posture is making us sick. again. now, is masking up the right move at the right time? it is an open question. we will test the president's chief medical adviser dr. anthony fauci tonight as the country tries to deal with what many see as a step back. the guidance comes on a day of another big reveal and another major fall out from our manufacturer division. did you watch this today? the beginning of the january 6th commission. i don't know how anyone who heard these four police heroes talk about how they viciously came under attack by a trump mob, i don't know how they can listen to senator ron johnson or
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these others on the fringe and see them as anything but liars. when they call this patriots and tourists, unarmed, you know, just a few, just loving their country. you know who doesn't respect that? the officers who took the heat. one took direct aim at what he calls an assault on history. >> what makes the struggle harder and more painful is to know so many of my fellow citizens, including so many of the people i put my life at risk to defend are downplaying or outright denying what happened. i feel like i went to hell and back to protect them and the people in this room, but too many are now telling me that hell doesn't exist or actually wasn't that bad. the indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful.
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>> is he wrong? where are all the amens from the blue lives matter crowd now? did you know that mccarthy and mcconnell didn't watch? they say they're too busy. and they wonder why they're called trumpers. too busy doing what? you said you were going to do nothing with this administration. that your position was opposition. so what are you doing? why not hear from the men that you say you always support? right? we've created a whole new flag now right? you see the american flag in all black with just the blue stripe? i thought we had one flag. and the colors are red, white, and blue. so if you're going to put that much emphasis that you are going to change our national symbol to show respect for it why aren't you respecting it now? and, yet, in all the division, all of the darkness, i see hope where it matters most, which is on the pandemic. who are's why. it is not too late. if people get vaccinated, our fall can be saved -- school, work.
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okay? the variant spreads. this delta variant spreads really quickly. but what if we learned in other countries that you haven't heard enough about? it peaks quickly as well. when the right measures are taken. so we can still get there. now, will we? another cause for hope. many trumpers with platforms are finally getting onboard to stress the importance of getting what they're calling the trump vaccine. hey man. don't hate. the former president pushed operation warp speed. the fruit of it was the vaccine. i am fine with it being called the trump vaccine. call it whatever you want. they should all make this suggestion. if you support trump how can you not take the vaccine? i welcome any of them to come on and make that call to their own. let's bring in a much better mind to understand this new advisory and whether it makes sense. white house chief medical adviser dr. anthony fauci. thank you for being with us on an important night. >> good to be with you. thank you for having me, chris. >> first, give us the nuts and
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bolts of the new guidance. >> okay. with the new guidance, it says based on a real change in the science, namely we have a different virus we're dealing with as you correctly said. 60 days ago, a little more than two months ago, when the cdc said with the alpha variant if you had a breakthrough infection the level of virus was clearly lower than if you were infected and had been unvaccinated. and so the danger of spreading was extremely low. maybe even nonexistent. now with the delta variant you have a virus that spreads much more efficiently from person to person and importantly when people are vaccinated in the unusual or rare event when they wind up getting infected and have a breakthrough infection which is natural when you don't have a 100% effective vaccine, when those people who were
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vaccinated got infected, even asymptomatic or mildly asymptomatic, the level of virus in their nasalpharnyx is extremely high and well documented that they can and do transmit the infection to uninfected people. with that change, in the landscape there of what the virus can do, the recommendation from the cdc that they announced today is that when you are indoors and in an indoor environment in an area of the country that has a substantial or high level of community spread, you need to wear a mask whether or not you are vaccinated you have to wear a mask even if you are vaccinated. >> quick follow then two challenges. the follow is what does it matter if people get vaccinated if everybody is vulnerable to this delta variant? then why not -- why should people get vaccinated at all? >> there is a really, really
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good reason to get vaccinated, chris. that is to save your life, prevent you being hospitalized, prevent you from dying. the one thing that is clearly works very well with this vaccine is even with the delta variant it prevents you if you do get infected from getting severe disease enough to put you in the hospital. it protects you against infection pretty well but what it does even better is to prevent you from getting serious disease. when you get vaccinated you don't get vaccinated just because you don't want to wear a mask. you get vaccinated because you want to save your life. your own health is the reason. the fact that you want to right now wear a mask because we have a situation where if you do get infected you might spread it to somebody else, you know, that is almost the secondary issue. the primary issue is to save your own life and prevent you getting seriously ill. >> the political pushback.
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you said you knew. you said it was science. now you're changing it. you didn't know then or you don't know now? >> no. we're not changing the science. you know what changed, chris? the virus changed. and the science evolved with the changing virus. we were dealing with the alpha virus back a few months ago as i told you it was a virus that if a person had a breakthrough infection very, very unlikely that person would transmit it. that has changed. now the level of virus of an infected person with delta is a thousand times of what it was with the alpha, which means it really has the capability and in fact in the real world is doing it, it can transmit. so nothing changed about the science. it was the virus that changed. we're dealing with fundamentally a different virus. >> the breakthrough data. let's talk about it.
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an italian study just came out that less than 1.5% of deaths involve people who are fully vaccinated. what do you know in this country about breakthrough infections, severity lethality? >> same thing. in this country if you look back over the last several ninth 99.5% of the deaths in the united states are among unvaccinated people and 0.5% are among vaccinated people. if there was ever a statistic that would stimulate someone to get vaccinated i think this is it. >> so what about the suggest, don't mess with us, the vaccinated, and put mask restrictions on us. go after the unvaccinated. make it easier for them to get it. push private businesses. deal with them. don't deal with us. we did the right thing. deal with the people who didn't. >> right. but you just used the word, chris. don't go after us. nobody is going after the vaccinated people.
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what the cdc is saying, that given the small chance that you could get infected and transmit that infection to someone else, wear a mask. prudently when you're indoors in a high volume area for infection. there is a good reason for that. what you don't want to do is then inadvertently and innocently perhaps infect someone else that could be a family member, that could be someone who has an underlying condition that makes them very vulnerable such as someone who is immuno suppressed. so it goes beyond you. it's protecting other people particularly the loved ones around you. >> how long? how long is it going to be like this? what does it mean for indoor dining? what does it mean for my kids going back to school in the fall? you know how hard it is going to be to have masks on kids. they're not going to wear the mask, they'll get yelled at, sent home. families are going to get upset. what are we looking at here?
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>> well, what we are looking at in the immediate future as we approach the fall and the children, the main thing we want to do and the cdc makes this very clear is to get the children back to school in person in the class by the fall. the way to do that safely now with the modification of the recommendations is to get everyone in the school wearing a mask right now. because of the situation we're under with the high degree of viral dynamics. you know, chris, one thing going a step further, that all of this could be avoided if we get the overwhelming proportion of the population vaccinated. we have 100 million people in this country who are eligible to be vaccinated who have not gotten vaccinated. if you want to end all of this back and forth, let's get the overwhelming proportion of the population vaccinated and all of this will go away.
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because the virus won't have any room to change, mutate, become a different variant. >> that is a very important point. so we still have a chance, if you get vaccinated, which could happen in the next few weeks, there is plenty of vaccine, plenty of access. it is not equal everywhere in the country. certainly there are minority populations, impoverished populations that don't have the same access but getting better over time. we can still have a better fall than the one we are facing right now. dr. fauci, appreciate you on an important night coming on to tell us what it is and why. appreciate you. >> thank you, chris. >> be well. stay safe. all right. so now, look. i'm asking questions. that is the resistance out there. of course i don't have the resistance. all i do is talk to experts all the time. i don't know about anything as much as i know about covid. but you have to deal with people where they are. people are not going to like the changes and won't understand them and think they are punitive. that is why we have to ask the questions.
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what other questions have to be asked? what is the fall out from what we heard from the officers today at the capitol? what does it matter? now that they should what should be believed, what is next? what is the value of what can come out of this commission? let's get after it with one of the select committee members congressman jamie raskin. simple question. is this worth it and why? next. you need an ecolab scientific clean here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean now helps the places you go too. look for the ecolab science certified seal. at philadelphia, we know what makes the perfect schmear of cream cheese. you need only the freshest milk and cream. that one! and the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection. my auntie called me. she said uncle's had a heart attack.
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objectively, fairly, i don't think you could watch the testimony today and say, i don't believe it. the four officers are telling the truth. they selflessly put their lives on the line to defend democracy january 6th period. democratic congressman jamie raskin is on the january 6 select committee and joins us now. i do believe there will be people, because fox aired this, who haven't seen a lot of the
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footage, haven't really been exposed to the reality the rest of us have seen with wide eyes since it happened but beyond that exposure, what is your hope for what this commission can bring? >> good to be with you, chris. look, we were charged with defining the character of the threat that we faced on january 6th and who organized it, mobilized it, who paid for it. how did they go about executing their plan and why did they do it? and so we'll do a complete authoritative report on that but then the next step is how do we prepare to deter this in the future because i don't think there is anybody -- >> see if jamie comes back. congressman raskin. we lose him? can you get him back or no? my favorite moment on television. just me and listening to the voices in my head. what i am about to ask the congressman if i can get him
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all right. we have congressman jamie raskin back. the question is, how do you make any change when you have no buy-in from the other side? this is pelosi's fault, pelosi's commission, not bipartisan, it's a hack job, they won't accept the findings. how do you get progress? how do you get buy-in? >> the remarkable thing here is that the committee can actually work now because we have an effective, bipartisan group, that is focused like a laser beam on getting at the truth. and so that's been the ironic effect of the jim jordan people trying to destroy what we're doing. they did sand bag and filibuster the independent 9/11 style commission with five republicans five democrats equal subpoena power. they got rid of that but then pelosi said we mean business. we're going to do a select committee and not let you turn this into a partisan food fight.
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because of that i think the country saw how members of congress across the aisle can actually work together to get somewhere. so i'm very optimistic about our ability to determine what the interlocking networks were of these domestic violent extremist groups, then how they interacted with the trump white house and other political operators like rudy guiliani and roger stone, who paid for the whole operation, and to what extent all of us are still under threat, what changes do we need to make to our security processes so this doesn't happen again? obviously we were not ready for the violent insurrection ginned up by a major political figure with a lot of money and power behind it >> i have been watching the media coverage and it is no surprise there is intense interest about who you'll subpoena, right? that is the gotcha nature, the combative nature, who are they going to go after? are they going to try and get trump? i really don't care about that. you're going to subpoena who you subpoena and try and get everybody.
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but what about getting the tapes of the conversation between former president trump and house minority leader mccarthy? if he was in the white house during that phone call, shouldn't there be at least a transcript of it? and that removes the need for testimony. >> my colleague representative cheney kicked off her part of the hearing by basically saying that is exactly what she wanted to go for. she wanted to get a minute by minute description of the president's actions and the president's conversations during that day. >> should that phone call be recorded, congressman? >> i don't know the answer to that but that is certainly something subject to discovery so we can figure it out. >> because i thought they recorded all the phone calls. every time you talk to a president they always say remember it is being recorded. >> yes >> i wonder how much discretion there is. >> yeah, i mean, there were a lot of different cell phones and so on being used but i think the presumption should be what you are saying and everybody owes this commission their honest
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testimony. we are the sovereign here. we have the power to subpoena people's testimony, to subpoena people's records and their telephone conversations. we want to get at the truth. this is not a game. so much of justice during the trump period was a game just like cat and mouse like hide and go seek. that is no the what justice is about. we want to get to the bottom of this so we can deliver a report to the american people that is totally authoritative and comprehensive and explains how we'll preserve our democracy going into the future. this was the one thing that blew my mind the most about the hearing today. the officers of course were just dazzling and extraordinary in their courage and valor but they were really focused on this question at the very end that the chairman asked them what should we do? they were very focused on this question of does this go all the way to the top? who was organizing all of this? because none of them felt this was some kind of spontaneous eruption like a bar fight or something like that. they felt that they were under a military style attack.
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if you look at what happened that day, that's what it was >> i hope in the interests of keeping down the flames, i think you guys should call speaker pelosi and let people see she comes willingly and wants to talk about this because they're not going to get that on their side. i promise you that. congressman jamie raskin thank you very much. good luck with your work. the country deserves the truth. >> thank you very much. great to be with you. >> be well. let's turn to a republican who voted against certifying president biden's victory. did he watch today? what would get the congressman's party to get onboard with the investigation? we'll have a conversation, next. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn... claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn?
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got two big problems, both about the truth if you think about it. now is the time to push the vaccine more than ever. if we do it, we'll save our fall. if we don't we know what is going to happen. masks are just the beginning. january 6th. do we want to know the truth or not? we had the big opening today with the powerful testimony of the police officers. how many gop lawmakers watched and listened? not mcconnell. not mccarthy. they said they were too busy even though they said their
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whole position is to do nothing. even if they did, this has been the response that we're hearing from people on that side of the aisle. listen to senator ron johnson. >> you think some of the protesters were actually, had good intentions on that day? >> i think some of those protesters tried to protect that police officer. i think that ought to be noted. there were tens of thousands of people that day that engaged in peaceful protests. there were a few hundred that committed acts of violence. those people i condemn. >> do you think your life was saved by these police officers? >> i commend them for it. >> we know it was a dangerous day and yet he wants nothing to do with talking about it and thinking about it. he believes it is being exaggerated. how contagious is that within the party? let's get respective from republican congressman and doctor, scott dejarla. good to have you here. >> good to be here. >> were you able to watch? >> as much as i could.
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he was on armed services and had work to do there but i tried to catch that and some of the highlights. >> what does it mean to you that the officers went before the body and said not only did they feel threatened then but feel threatened now, that they are being disrespected out some kind of political maelstrom? >> yeah, i've been here now in my 11th year and have nothing but respect for the capitol police. i appreciate what they tried to do. obviously from the testimony today it was very emotional. and compelling. you know, i feel for them. i don't know what the rules of engagement were that day, what the breakdown in leadership was that allowed the capitol to be breached by a couple hundred of unarmed citizens but we need to get to the bottom of that so it doesn't happen again. >> why do you say unarmed when they were beating officers and using the officers' weapons and using flag poles and other sticks? that doesn't count as being armed? >> well yeah. if you are attacking someone with that that is being armed and the officers should have
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been able to defend themselves. that is why i don't know. we had a 13-year veteran shot outside the house chambers who was unarmed and we don't know the full story there. maybe that'll come out in the commission. if it happened on the streets of baltimore or what not we'd get more information so i hope that comes out as well. >> in terms of why they couldn't defend themselves how do you think you'd do against ten men holding sticks all attacking you at the same time? >> if i had a gun i'd probably do pretty well. a lot of these folks were armed with rifles and i'm sure they didn't want to open fire on civilians. there was 40,000 people in town or more to protest. unfortunately it turned into a riot and turned into what we saw at the capitol. i was here looking out the window that day. it was awful. january 6th is supposed to be a day where we look at the election. i mean, it is ironic that the chairman of this commission was one of the ones protesting in 2005 against ohio doing a lot of the same things a lot of us were doing. the rules were changed because
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of covid. 150 million people voted in this election and a lot of people don't have faith in the electoral process and we never really got to finish what we started that day because of this unfortunate event. and i condemn the people that did that. president trump condemned the people that did that. he said they don't represent his america and they should be prosecuted and i agree. >> well when we talk about how we got there it didn't help that people like you didn't want to certify the results of the election without any proof of the same right? >> benny thompson didn't want to approve the election in 2005 and he is leading this commission. every republican resident in this century was challenged and questioned by democrats the same way we did on january 6th. >> hold on a second. i don't remember house democrats standing up and saying we refuse to certify this presidential election. remind me when that happened? >> well, i don't know we stood up and refused to certify the election. we wanted to look at the constitutionality of the voting process in several states like
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pennsylvania, georgia, and arizona. >> they'd all been looked at by members of your own party. >> there was 150 million people voted. if you take arizona, georgia, and wisconsin those three states were decided by 42,000 votes, a mere fraction. so you don't have to have widespread fraud to change the outcome. we wanted to look at the constitutionality because ballots were being cured. there wasn't the appropriate transparency. atlanta cleared the voting facility because of a water main break that turned out to be a urinal overflow. so there was a lot of things that we haven't had answered. i know your network and others have talked about no widespread fraud but i don't know those questions have been fully answered and so -- >> let's leave it -- >> obviously some of the people objecting to the election -- >> let's leave it like this. of course they're not going to have faith in the process kra am cram when you keep telling them there was fraud and no proof ever presented and you say those questions aren't answered. you had each of those states --
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>> you say there is no widespread fraud. we can all admit there was fraud. we have evidence of people who voted that weren't on the rolls. >> congressman, that happens every election. when it happened in 2018 you guys called it sore loser. you had wisconsin. you had arizona. you had georgia. you had pennsylvania. you had republicans all over the place. they certified their own results. and then you tried to decertify the election. so it wasn't just in good faith and first instance. >> the last four years talking about a russia hoax, we had a democratic party that impeached the president twice once when he wasn't even still in office and you're going to talk about us not accepting the outcome? i think it was representative schiff today that said if this is going to be the new normal that a party is not going to accept the outcome of an election because the other party won god help us. well he led the charge about impeaching the president and knew he had facts on russia. as you know and we all know now that wasn't true but your network was leading the charge on that hoax.
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>> first of all it is not a hoax. russia interfered with the election. members of the trump campaign took stupid meetings and asked for help they shouldn't have. that is the definition of collusion. was it criminal conspiracy? no. if you watched my show you'd know i'd been saying all along you will never get a criminal charge on president trump. they won't allow it at the doj. the facts won't support it. i was right. let's now move to where -- >> you're not and i watch your show and i watch fox and i blame the media for a lot of the divisiveness in country. it depends which channel you watch you'll get a different spin. i accidentally watched a channel my wife put on news nation and i watched for 15 minutes. they told stories, i couldn't tell which channel it was. it is so refreshing to hear a news channel that doesn't bias the viewers one way or the other. we need more thaf if we're going to move forward as a country. what we've had the last four years doesn't work. what we're doing now doesn't work. pelosi kicking republican members off this commission because she was afraid to answer
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tough questions. >> she offered you guys an equal split. >> we didn't get to kick two of their members off. the jury, prosecutor, and defender gets to call witnesses. >> this is not a jury. you are a doctor. you're not a lawyer. the rules aren't the same. here is what i'm saying. if you don't think conversation like this is constructive i don'. i'm pushing back when i can. let me get a question in before i let you go. >> okay. >> you just heard fuchi say, there is a window. if people get vaccinated now, yes you'll have the mask mandates, recommendations, whatever you call them, we know people will follow them on the local level, that we can still get out of this. do you believe now is the time for people on both sides of the aisle, obviously you speak for your side of the aisle, to push getting vaccinated? that it is safe and not offsetting it by saying of course it is your freedom not to
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get it? doctors don't say that to you. they say get the vaccine or don't get the vaccine. they don't say you don't have to. >> i would tell my patients, 99.5% of the people who died were over 30. if you go up to 40 and 50 it is still 95% so the older you get the higher your risk. if you are over 50 and haven't been vaccinated, get vaccinated. kids under 20, less than a fraction of a tenth percent have died not much higher than the flu. we don't know the side effects in kids. i have a 14-year-old daughter. i'm a little leary because of the cardiomie yop thy, the guillaume barret. the blood clots. i don't know if the treatment is worse than the disease for the kids. my wife is i legitimacied nurse and you see a lot of health care people are skeptical. if you're 30, 40, 50 or older, if you're older than 50 and haven't gotten the vaccine you're playing with fire. you about you should listen to
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your doctor. because pre-existing conditions are where most of these people who died did pass on. they had other co-morbidities. and your doctor knows that better than you do. i can tell my patients that. dr. fauci is kind of an administrator now. tell people to talk to their doctor. don't listen to democrats or republicans or newscasters. >> well, listen, it's always good advice to listen to your doctor about these things. and the rest of us should be trying to give them the right information. and i think you're basically doing that tonight. so doctor, thank you. and you're always welcome here to talk about what matters on this network. okay? congressman scott desjarlais, be well. and we'll be right back. it's the most comfortable, dually-adjustable, foot-warming, temperature-balancing... proven quality night sleep we've ever made. save up to $1,000 on select sleep number 360 smart beds and adjustable bases. plus, 0% interest for 24 months. only for a limited time. you need an ecolab scientific clean here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean now helps the places you go too.
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indoor mask mandate, but missouri's attorney general is suing to stop it. the mayor of wildwood, part of st. louis county is vowing not to enforce the mandate. let's just talk about that with mayor jim bowlin. it's good to have you, mr. mayor. >> thank you, chris. good to be here. >> i don't have to tell you the problem. you know it. you also have the cases surging between younger adults 20 to 29. what is your thinking about why you don't want masks? >> well, you know, to put it in context, chris, cases haven't increased in st. louis county, but i just ran the numbers from the county today. and to give you an example july 1st the number of new covid infections was 97. yesterday that had risen by 40 to 137. and each of these cases is tragic, there's no question about that. but to put it in context that's an increase of 40 out of a population of st. louis county of just under 1 million. and the hospitalization rates,
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the death rates have remained the same over the last month. so to answer your question, my issue with the mandate is really two-fold. first statistically, if you look at the data of neighboring counties in missouri that abut st. louis county, particularly st. charles county, that had virtually no mandate of any type, and in the case of st. charles county none, their infection rate is at this point virtually tied with st. louis county's. and yet we had all of the many restrictions. and then secondly i guess is really i guess a practical point. i don't think that a mask mandate can practically be enforced. i don't think we have enough police to do that. on businesses and all the individuals. so in essence, i think it's effectively a volunteer system as it is. >> so are you going to push the vaccination rate, you know, work the messaging on that level? i'll give you the last word on
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