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committee how they risked their lives to protect lawmakers inside the capitol, some that down played the insurrection and did not bother to watch the hearing. and cnn learning the biden administration will require vaccines or relate testing for all federal employees. it comes as the cdc says vaccinated or not, mask up again when indoors in high risk areas. i want to bring you now our senior legal analyst, and let's start with what happened on capitol hill today, laura, and i want earn to hear from officer harry dunn, he talks about a pro trump mob calling him the n-word, watch this. ? one woman in a pink maga shirt yelled, you hear that guys? this -- voted for joe biden. then the crowd, perhaps around 20 people joined in screaming
boo -- [ expletive ] no one had called me a "n" while wearing the uniform of a capitol police officer. after, others shared their stories. one officer told me he had never, in his entire 40 years of life been called a "n" to his face and that streak ended on january 6th, yet another black officer later told me he had been confronted by insurrectionists in the capitol who told him, put your gun down, and we will show you what kind of "n" you really. >> hm-mm. does get more explicit than that, and he said that 20 people all chimed in, laura, look. clear racial aspect to the insurrection and clear racial
aspect to the events. >> and i could not help but go back to what it was like for black military members. some lynched for having the audacity is to have them, to remind you that racism is just under the surface if not on top of it in our country. the knee jerk reaction to racism was he was spresponding to the g lie. someone came in and said, no one voted for joe biden, we want to stop the steal and he addressed politics and he said, i voted for joe biden, am i nobody. and the knee jerk reaction was to attack him in that way and call him that repeatedly. he talked about that, not only being the siofficer under attac and being a black sister.
the reaction of the black lives matter protest and the reaction of the killing of george floyd and how the failure of this committee to address that was used as a pretextual reason for republicans to not support a bipartisan endeavor. you see it as a way it's being used to as a scapegoat to take away the responsibility of republicans to dress this. >> phil, to you, i want to get to officer daniel hodges, and he was asked why he addressed the attack as a white -- he said the attack was overwhelmingly white males. then he said this. >> they didn't say anything especially xenophobic to merks but to my black colleagues and anyone who is not white and they would some of them would try to, try to recruit me, one of them came up to me and said, are you my brother? >> what does that say? that these rioters, these
insurrectionists, overwhelmingly white males tried to recruit him for the insurrection? >> how much pain do you want? let me tell you as a white guy. this country went through saying the italians were not welcome because they were catholics. they had laws get chinese immigration 120 years ago. we inturned asian people, and we told gay people they were not allowed to marry and women were not allowed to vote. if we think this does not represent america, it's not that america is not great, we have to look in the mirror and say, unless we look higher including looking to the political leadership to say, take us higher, this is who we will be, this is not unique. we have told people, if you are not like me, you are worse. that is where we will go, if we don't go higher. >> this is who we are.
people say this is not america. p but it's america. >> we have been there forever. irish and italians were the new immigrants and we say we are the melting not and they were told, you are dirty, my people were told you are dirty. if you want to look at the mirror and say, that is someone else that went to the capitol. that is not correct. unless we try harder, that's us. that's us, don, that's us. >> i want to talk about chairman benny thompson saying subpoenas are coming soon, laura, this is right up your ally here. liz cheney said they should be issued quickly and the justice department is saying former d.o.j. officials can testify, the department will not assert executive privilege. which top officials will be among the first called? could it be the president should be called or will be called? >> i think -- >> the former president. >> i think he should be called and jeffrey are rosen.
what the dorj .o.j. would have assert, is why it's a significant thing, remember, you are saying, in order to have transparency and a full investigation, i have to premove the hurdles and people saying i don't care what uyou want to hear, i don't have to tell you. that hurdle is being over come, saying you can speak freely about what it is that you know about the es. if you know the who, what, when, where, why, the paper trail, if you know something different than what your oath of office should have been or otherwise, lets us know. it's a level of transparency that we need here. >> give me a break. the d.o.j. has to tell you that you can go and tell the truth about the most significant event we have had in the government in 200 years. if they said, can you not speak. if you are in the federal
government, i spent 25 years there, i would have said no, you are going to testify where a committee and somebody is going to say, sorry, that was executive privilege, you are going to jail. speak what ever the department of justice said. no one is going to arrest you, don. >> thank you both. the testimony today's select committee hearing is gut wrenching. the officers detailing the brutal attacks at the capitol. and it seems like a lot of republicans just don't care. they are still down playing or denying the horrors of january 6. but the two respect-- but the two republicans on the committee are calling out their own here is liz cheney. >> everyone here, voted for and would have preferred that the matters be investigated by a nonpartisan commission. interest modeled on the 9/11 commission.
although such leadership was opposed, it passed with the support of 35 republican members and was defeated by republicans in the senate. and that leaves us where we are today. we cannot leave the violence of january 6 and its causes uninvestigated. the american people deserve the full and open testimony of every person with knowledge of the planning and preparation for january 6th. we must know what happened here at the capitol. and we must also know what happened every minute of that day in the white house. every phone call, every conversation, every meeting leading up to, during and after the attack. honorable men and women have an obligation to step forward. one republican, for example, said, quote wh, what is happeni is unacceptable and unamerican. those participating in lawlessesness and violence must be arrested and prosecuted to
the fullest extent of the law. no member of congress should now attempt to defend the indefensible. obstruct this investigation or whitewash what happened that day. we must act with honor and duty and in the interest of our nation. america is great. because we preserve our democratic institutions at all costs. until january 6 we were prove positive for the world that a nation conceived in liberty could long endure. but now january 6th threatens our most sacred legacy. the question for everyone of us who serve ises in congress and for every elected official across this great nation, indeed, for every american is this. will we adhere to the rule of law? will we respect the rulings of our court? will we preserve the peaceful
transition of power? or will we be so blinded bipartisan ship that we throw away the miracle of america? do we hate our political adversaries more than we love our country and revere our constitution. i pray that is not the case. i pray that we all remember our children are watching. as we carry out this solemn and sacred duty entrusted to us. our children will know who stood for truth. and they will inherit the nation we hand to them. a republic if we can keep it. and here is congressman adam k kinsinger. >> i did not think today would be as emotional as it has been. i have talked to a number of you and gotten to know you. i think it's important to tell you right now though, you guys may like individually feel a little broken. you guys all talked about the
affects you have to deal with, and you know, you talk about the impact of that day. but you guys won. you guys held. you know, democracies are not defined by our bad days. we are defined by how we come back from bad days. how we take accountability for that. and for all of the over heated rhetoric surrounding this committee, our mission is very simple. it's to find the truth. and it's to ensure accountability. like most americans i'm frustrated that six months after a deadly insurrection breeched the united states capitol for several hours on live television we still don't know exactly what happened, why? because many in my party have treated this as just another partisan fight. it's toxic, and it's a
disservice to the officers in their families, to the staff and the employees on the capitol complex, to the american people who deserve the truth, and to those generations before us who went toer war to defend self governance. because self governance is at stake. and it's why i agreed to serve on the committee. i want to know what happened that day, but more importantly i want all americans to be able to do trust the work this committee does and get the facts out there free of conspiracy. this cannot continue to be a partisan fight. i'm a republican. i'm a conservative. but in order to heal from the damage caused that day, we need to call out the facts. it's time to stop the outrage and conspiracies that fuel the violence and division in the country and most importantly we need to reject those that promote it. as a country, it's time to learn from our past mistakes. rebuild stronger so this never happens again, and then we can
move onward. and serving on the committee i'm here to investigate january 6th, not despite my membership in the republican party, but because of it. not to win a political fight, but to learn the facts and depend our democracy. congress man going to say this, outlining the questions he wants in the committee's investigation. and i quote here , how did this happen? why? who spurred this effort? was it organized? when did our government leaders know of the impending attacks and what were the responses? what level of preparations or warnings did law enforcement have? was there coordination between the rioters or congress or staff? it's an honor to have you here. i appreciate it. and let's say right off, takes a lot of courage to do what
congressman kinzinger and congress woman cheney did today. >> it does, but as officer dunn said, why do we make saying the truth an act of courage? it should go with the office. every member of congress is fiduciary, a trustee, you are supposed to hold that trust in your hand and heart and pledge allegiance to the oath that you take. so, i commend both adam kinzinger and lynn cheney. i'm attempted to say -- i served with her father. and the party was big enough for us to serve together and to go after another scandal. the iran contra scandal together to try to find the facts. that is missing today. it was not happening today. >> what did you think of what occurred today, what stood out to you? >> i was on a roller coaster of emotions. number one, i felt pride in the men in blue who testified.
i felt pride, i felt grateful and i felt anger. i felt anger that we have come to this point in our lives. in this country's life. before you had two guests that were very powerful in their statements. but i go back to senator moynahan years ago, he commented about the a little bit issue burning the -- but the british burning the capitol, he said they can burn the capitol but not destroy the idea of democracy. what took place on january 6th was an attempt to destroy the idea of democracy and we are that close to allowing it to be destroyed if we follow the path of said, saying we now the republicans are part of the cancel culture. we want to cancel what happened on january 6th, we don't want to think about it, talk about it, be reminded of it or get at the truth. >> i was having a conversation with my colleague, were you
listening to me? we had the hand off podcast about republicans cancelling people today, including liz cheney and adam kinzinger, cancel culture is not just on the left, the right cancels people more than the left cancels people. and time glad you said, i was very emotionaled today. and i was angry. >> this was the most significant thing that has happened in this country since the civil war and we came within minutes of having it destroyed and they had breeched that. if they didn't hold the line. and i think the holding of a line,chamberlain, gettysburg, hold the line was his saying. hold the line in iraq. they held the line and i commend all of those officers. capitol hill and metropolitan police, why the fraternity of police officers has not spoken
up on their behalf needs to be answered. >> and he is very strong on that. he is holding their feet to the fire. and in this situation, you should. someone shorksuld and he can do. remember the officials who resigned after january 6th, i will put them up on the screen. devoss said there was no mistaking the impact of trump's rhetoric had on the situation. elaine chao was clear that trump supporters stormed the capitol and nick mulvaney said they were worried about trump putting somebody worse in there. and the communications director said that trump should consider reziening. the gop knew how bad it was, and many are whitewashing and down playing it. is it, it's a cover up. it's blatant. it's propaganda, what are we witnessing here? >> you are witnessing what you said, it's a cover up. if you think about it, just read mitch mcconnell's speech back. what he said on the floor of the
senate about who was responsible for -- the republican leaders, read their response on the floor of the house. they both said cat gormaegorica that the president was responsible for the insurrection. he was the insighter and insurrectionist in chief. no question in my mind and the facts will establish that. >> secretary, thank you, and my regards to your lovely wife, please tell her i said hello. >> i will do it. >> thank you. >> and everyone in and around schools told to wear masks. making sense of the new guidance. that is next. the bottom line is the masks will help reduce spread further. but the vaccination is the bed rock of ending the pandemic.
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a source telling cnn, president biden plans to announce that all federal employees have to get vaccinated or agree to get regular testing. that as the cdc is changing the mask guidance tonight. now recommending everyone vaccinated people mask up in doors and areas where covid is spreading like wild fire. here is dr. shaffner, big night when it comes to two things happening in our country. listen, doctor, dr. fauci is saying, said to chris earlier when asked if people vaccinated need to still be on guard against the variant and wear masks. here it is. >> when you get vaccinated, you don't get vaccinated just
because you don't want to wear a mask. you get vaccinated because you want to save your life. your own health is the reason. >> so i hear people now talking about a layered approach to fighting this pandemic. is, what is that? i mean, what does that mean? the vaccine saving your life? masks will stop the spread. >> sure, we are doing any number the of things that we can do to first of all, protect ourselves and those around us, don. and we to a number of different things. getting vaccinated provides the biggest barrier to having to be sick if you are infected with the virus and having to be hospitalized. it also reduces your risk of transmitting the infection to others. if you wear the mask, that adds another literal layer of protection. it reduces further the chance that you could acquire or transmit this infection. and of course, if we do social
distancing and good hand hygiene and ventilation and all the other things, that adds figure. relying on vaccination alone, well, this, this delta variant is so transmissable, that it's best to add on some things. might call it the belt and suspenders approach. >> hm-mm. interesting. the cdc said all kids and teachers and staff in schools should be wearing masks regardless of their vaccination status. it's saying in and around schools. what about states like iowa, and florida where gofvernors are no honoring mask mandates? >> i hope that will change. the recommendation is really clear. we are trying make schools absolutely as low risk a place as possible. every adultly now who is associated with a school. whether you are a bus driver,
custodian, coach, you should have been vaccinated by now. if not, shame on you. and then of course, we should be vaccinating all the children. six months and older. now, in addition to that, we have the youngsters who are younger than 12 years of age. they cannot be vaccinated yet. so, let's add another layer of protection. and have them wear masks and everyone else do the same. we need to do everything that we can to allow children to return to school and get all the benefits from socialization and he education in schools. >> there's new data cited by the cdc showing vaccinated people may still carry the same viral load as the unvaccinated. what does it mean for the unvaccinated parents and kids
under 12. >> we need to be careful wherever we are. we don't expect to wear masks in our own home, but when we are out among other children. particularly in doors, we are going to have to continue to be very careful. this is a wiley virus, we cannot just do one thing and have it disappear. it's not going to be that way. we are learning more about it all the time. we need to all be flexible and adapt ourselves to new guidance as that guidance comes along. if we get rigid, the virus is going to win. >> dr. shaffner thank you so much. >> thank you. >> the delta variant spreading and so is anger. anger told the people who will not jet vaccinated and are putting the country at risk. plus -- >> i always just want to remind people that simone biles is
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navarro. good evening. >> hi. >> let's boil it down. it is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. that is the truth. now the vaccinated are going to have to put the masks back on because people are not getting their shots. listen, you are not one to mince words, as we know. you and i go at it and i see you go at it with everyone. what do you think of the situation we are in? >> i'm apoplectic about it. i am affected by it, because i'm one of the vaccinated people in florida, in a state where our political leadership has chosen to make this in to that political issue. and i am enraged, as should all of us be enraged. because we are being with, we who have been played by the rules and done our part to beat the pandemic are being held h hostage who are being pedalers
of lies and driving people to the polls. what pisses me off to no end, understand, it did not have to be this way. i say it every time. it did not have to be a politicalization. it's the only country in the world where vaccinations and covid has beenized and it's because of those on fox news and some elected officials that chose it as a wedge issue. there's republicans like mike dewine, governor of ohio or asa hutchinson, the governor of arkansas, or jim justice, the governor of west virginia, these are not rhinos, they are life long constituents that realize the lives of constituents are worth more than driving people to do this.
>> americans are at risk, but honestly, look, so is ourer democracy. when the former ity -- the former president spreads lives, how did we get so divided that we cannot believe the truth about topics that are literally life and death? >> not only are they life and death. we have, the receipts are there for all of us to look at. how can anybody look at the video that we is saw in the hearings today, and think that that was tourists, not terrorists? at first i thought they were mispronouncing the word terrorists. how can anybody hear the testimony and see the four officers that were representing all of the men and women of law enforcement who ran to danger and risked their lives and they were not there protecting -- they were not in disney land protecting mickey and mini mouse. they were in the congress, they
were in the capitol of the united states. protecting the congress people and senators as they did their jobs. and so, for some people, because of complicity with donald trump, because of covering donald trump, because of not wanting to implicate donald trump, do not give the respect of appointing a committee. and saying they does not have time to watch the proceedings. it's all about complicit ymp, and this cultish mentality where loyalty to trump trumps loyalty to country and constitution and loyalty to logic and endangers people's lives. in the same way we are seeing lies and misinformation endanger people's lives when it comes to covid, we saw how months of propagating and promoting and instigating the big lie led to
risking people's lives. including the congress people. who now turn a deaf ear. the republicans that turn a deaf ear and pretend it's not happening they beat their chest about being all about law enforcement and pro law enforcement, give me a damn break. if you are not willing to give officer fanone or officer dunn or officer ganel the time of day, and the respect they deserve, kindly spare me. spare me the sermons about how much you love law enforcement. >> anna navarro, thank you. >> simone biles drops out of the team gymnastics finals, citing her mental health. previous gold medalists will weigh in after this. >> i felt it would take better to take a back seat and work on
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women's team gymnastics final, citing mental health concerns as a reason for taking herself out of the competition. >> that 5-1/2 hour wait or something, i was like shaking and could barely nap. i never felt like this going in to a competition before. >> once i came out here, i was like, no, mental is not there, so i need to let the girls do it and focus on myself. >> let's discuss now with olympic naft i cans gold medalist nadia komenic, and b.abart connor. thank you for being with us. simone biles is the biggest athlete in the lolympics, the pressure is high. can you relate at all? >> a little bit. first of all, i would like to
say congratulations actually to the team who won the silver and didn't lose from the gold, the silver. and the girls did amazing under the circumstances that we do not have -- nobody has thought about what happened today in tokyo. so, yeah, i can relate to that because i did the compete in two olympic games and i was young and the first one and it was easier actually in the first olympics because i was young and i didn't doubt myself. and i just went for it and i didn't are have too many ifs. four years later, i went back as the olympic champion and i think that the more medals you have when you go back, the heavier the backpack is. so, you kind of have to be prepared that you are going to be hit from all directions, and on everything that you do. so, i did make a major mistake in the moscow olympics.
my second olympics. and at the time, i did it in a preliminary, and i had to carry the scores all the way through the end. now, when you qualify, you start from zero. so, you have a new life. so, yeah, that is a lot of pressure because you want to do your best, but i think it's important to remind yourself that you want to do the best you can for yourself. and not the best for everyone else to expect you to do something that it's more than you can deliver. so, you have to be sure that you keep the piece separate. >> yeah. >> and bart, look, gymnastics is a dangerous sport. initially some people thought simone was being selfish to do it to the team. but if her head was not tin the right place, and she'd not perform at her best, did she do the right thing. she said i didn't want to hurt the other girls. i don't know, i'm not an olympic
a athlete, it seems big to say, i don't want to screw them up, i'm going to take myself out. >> she did exactly the right thing. and hats off to the team, they stepped up under enormous pressure to win the silver medal. that was amazing and hats off to simone for acknowledging that she was in trouble. i know this is not an uncommon problem in gymnastics. we call it the twisties. where you get disoriented in the air and it's terrifying when you don't know which way is up and which way is down. and you think of the complicated skills that simone does, even her vaults. she does three difference types of vaults and they are all different in terms of techniques. and so, if you get disoriented and you are doubting yourself, it's scary and now, she is launching herself ten to 12 feet in the air. flipping and twisting and has no idea where she is? and i had that experience.
we call it the twisties and it happened even at the end of my career and it's terrifying. like my palms are sweaty just thinking about it now. it's scary when you are flying through the air and you have no idea where you are. >> and i feel for her , i think, she did the right thing. and it was probably the best thing for the u.s. teemp as well. scary stuff. >> nadia, twen2018, revealed th she is one of the -- you know, she was the base, the face of the games. and pits really hard to do everything. because i was thinking that you know, gymnastics and everything
that she does. is to difficult. to be able to fight and juggle, it's complicated and it's a lot of pressure as you said, on her shoulders. because you know, she is like, listen, i have to do a complicated thing. i want to think about what i i'm not going there to do jumping jacks. she does really unbelievable difficult skills. and you have to have your mind all the time there. a, she is there because she loves the sport. she wants to support the girls. and she wants to do the best she can. and i think that she will just be continually role model for all the generation that's thinking of doing gymnastics right now. >> well, nadia and bart, it's always a pleasure to have you on. hope to have you back and to continue on and talk about the olympics and more. thank you so much. >> thank you so much, don.
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