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interview for my interview last september with then attorney general william barr. congratulations to everyone at cnn. this is truly an honor to be recognized. thanks very, very much. and to our viewers, thanks for watching. erin burnett "out frfront "star now. "outfront" next, december sp destroying the trump narrative. four capitol police officers take down the lies about what happened that day and cnn learning the biden administration will make vaccines mandatory for all federal employees as the cdc tells vaccinated americans to mask up indoors again. barbara boxer attacked and robbed in broad daylight. senator boxer is my guest tonight. let go "outfront". good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight speaking the truth. four officers who risked their
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lives on january 6th one by one detailing the physical, verbal, racist attacks they encountered that day. here is officer michael fanone. i was trying to push people off of me. there were individuals trying to grab my gun. i remember one lunging at me time and time again trying to grab my gun and i heard people in the crowd yelling get his gun, kill him with his own gun. and words to that effect. i feel like i went to hell and back to protect them and the people in this room but too many are telling me that hell doesn't exist or that hell actually wasn't that bad. the indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful! >> officer harry dunn gut wrenching testimony detailing the blatant racism he endured
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when he mentioned the i election and i warn you, what you're about to hear right now is disturbing. >> i do my best to keep politics out of my job, but in this circumstance, i responded. well, i voted for joe biden. does my vote not count? am i nobody? that prompted racial comments, one woman in a pink maga shirt yelled you hear that guys? this nigger voted for joe biden. then the crowd, perhaps around 20 people then started screaming boo f-ing nigger. >> officer daniel hodges seen in this graphic video, his head being crushed in a doorway.
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that video was shown to us, the american public for the first time today and hodge's spoke about that moment. >> i remember him foaming at the mouth. he also put his cell phone in his mouth so he had both hands free to assault me. eventually he succeeded stripping away my gas mask and exposure to gases hit me. they were coordinating efforts shouting as they sin ynchronize pushing their weight forward pushing me against the metal door frame. the man in front of me grabbed my baton and in my current state i was unable to retain may weapon. he ruptured my lip and added additional injury to my skull. >> capitol police sergeant
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telling them he thought he would die. >> what we were subjected to that day was something like a medieval bottle. we fall hand to hand, inch by inch to prevent an invasion of the capitol by a violent mob intent on supporting our democratic process. i heard officers screaming in agony, in pain, just an arm length from me. i didn't know at that time that was officer hodges, and he's here today to testify. i, too, was being crushed by the ri rioters. i could feel myself losing oxygen and thinking to myself, this is how i'm going to die, defending this entrance. >> their testimony so powerful, so raw and dprafrankly really
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difficult to hear, but their words decimating a narrative that we have heard repeatedly from trump and his allies. >> it was a lot of love. i've heard that from everybody. many, many people told me. that was a loving crowd. >> you know, if you didn't know the tv footage was a video from january the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit. >> the doj is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> it's really disturbing to hear that. the testimony from the officers exposed all those words is false. today's testimony from the officers who were there that day putting their lives on the line with something that everyone cares about truth should have listened to and should have heard. the house minority leader kevin mccarthy says he didn't listen and he didn't have a single person in the room. he pulled picks from the committee after nancy pelosi vetoed two of them. this is a committee mcelccarthyd allies railed against from the
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beginning. >> i'm sure i'm being political. >> this is entirely a political exercise. >> they want to play their political game. >> now, of course, mccarthy voted against a committee that was 50/50 bipartisan with equal subpoena power for democrats and republicans and had all of that and frankly, finding out the ugly details about the january attack on america is not political. in fact, the issues that testified today addressed this issue head on making it clear politics didn't affect their actions on january 6th and politics shouldn't affect the investigation now. >> well, my response that day really was based off of my obligation as a police officer to not only protect the lives of the members of congress and their staff but also to my fellow officers. the politics of that day really didn't play into my response at all. >> one man tried to start a chant of four more years.
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another shouted do not attack us, we're not black lives matter as if political affiliation is how we determine when to use force. >> when there is a call, a radio call, a dispatch call, we don't ask hey, by the way, before i take care -- are you republican or democrat or independent? we don't. we just respond. and normally, and under any other circumstances, we just stay shut. we don't talk about politics. we don't talk about what happened to us. but this is bigger than that. you down playing the event that happened to the country itself, to democracy, to the rule of law. >> just a reminder that mccarthy says he didn't have time to watch today's hearing. when asked, the house minority leader says he was busy, he was in back to back meetings. meanwhile, other republicans, marjorie taylor greene made the
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time to hold a news conference today to side with the very same insurrectionists that attacked those police officers. >> these are not dangerous violent criminals. these are political prisoners. >> political prisoners? just to be clear, he's referring to the people that attacked the capitol. people that attacked police and said they would hang mike pence as political prisoners? these republicans all othree of them were kept safe by the police that spoke out today and tonight siding with the political prisoners that stormed the capitol and not demanding answers on behalf of the police officers that they so frequently claimed to champion? >> while democrats talk about defunding the police, we also stand by and support our police officers. >> i rise today to honor the courageous men and women in blue. >> all the of the great men and
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women in blue, all of the police officers, let's back the blue together. >> i want an america where we support the police. >> they do it because they love america and they love americans and we need to stand with them. >> tonight, no support for the police from any of them. support for the political prisoners who attacked the police. manu raju is live "outfront." that was an extremely powerful hearing. tell me what happens from here? >> the democrats and two republicans on this committee are trying to layout their investigative road map for the weeks to come and with the potential second hearing that occurs during the august recess of the house, the chairman of the committee benny thompson indicated they are likely to come back for that but the decision on the topic of that hearing has not been decided and thompson said there would be subpoenas that issued quote soon because he said the idea of asking for information voluntarily sending letters asking information, that's not necessarily the road they will go down on all document requests.
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instead, they plan to issue subpoenas that and that's something liz cheney said should happen quickly. there is a push to happen quickly and belief this could happen quickly after earlier today the justice department signalled it would not assert executive privilege to prevent former trump officials from testifying before this house committee. now, that is one area, too, in which the democrats and the republicans want to pursue cheney made that clear today, erin, that they do want to look into all the communications that occurred in the runup to january 6th with the trump white house. she said it was key to the investigation but first, they have to understand other areas, as well, the breakdown in intelligence, the failure to communicate how the white nationalist groups organized. that will be part of this investigation but also this much is clear, erin, this will not wrap enup any time soon. this will almost certainly spill into 2022 so the republicans were not eager for this investigation to happen because it could spill into the fight
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for congress. >> thank you. i want to go to one of the members of the january 6th committee, adam schiff. congressman, you know, i tried to play in here for anyone who wasn't able to hear it incredibly emotional testimony from the officers today. all of whom risked their lives to protect yours and your colleagues. dramatic and disturbing video we have not seen before of the riot. what stood out to you the most? >> well, i was watching the officers as we played some of that initial video, and just seeing how difficult, how painful it was for them to see this again, to see the graphic footage of their own attacks on them was very moving to hear sergeant talking about he couldn't go home to his wife because he had the bear spray
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all over his uniform and particularly to hear, you know, this immigrant in the case of ganell talk about being called a traitor, not really being an american. this is someone who joined the military, served in iraq, put his life on the line time and time again or to hear office dunn talk about being called these racial slurs for the first time in his life in uniform. it was just really, really powerful. >> so, you know, the officers shared the stories about that day but we also heard a similar plea from officers who testified. let's play it. >> we do need to get to the bottom of it who incited, who brought those people here, why the people were made to believe that the process was rigged. >> i need you guys to address if
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anyone in power had a role in this. >> there was an attack carried out on january 6th and a hit man sent them. i want you to get to the bottom of that. >> that's what they said again and again, get to the bottom of who incited anyone in power, hitman. can you truly get to the bottom of this congressman schiff without having the former president donald trump testify? >> we'll make that decision further down the line when we follow the evidence. we certainly need to get to the bottom of why all these thousands of people felt that they were somehow in the right to attack these police officers to attack the capitol. somehow they were convinced that the election had been stolen. they were convinced by all these lies. someone organized this. it was clear from the testimony but also clear from other evidence. people came prepared to do violence against the capitol
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and, you know, there is responsibility among our ranks in congress for the propagation of that lie, that deceit, that motivated so many of them and those officers today were right. that's beyond their power to investigate. that really falls to us in congress. >> i want to play an emotional moment you had during today's meeting. let me play it. >> if we're no longer committed to a peaceful transfer of power of our elections, if our side doesn't win, god help us. we deem elections illegitimate merely because they didn't go our way than doing better the next time, god help us. if we're so driven by bigotry and hate we attack our fellow citizens as traitors if they are born in another country or don't look like us, then god help us.
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but i have faith because of folks like you. >> so, congressman, i played that because obviously, you were repaired going in today. you know what the videos would show. you knew what these officers would say generally and yet, it was emotional for you. were you surprised by that and struck by your own, you know, essentially losing your ability to talk there for a moment? >> you know, i was surprised i guess going into the hearing that i would find it as moving as i did but i wasn't surprised really after the beginning of the hearing because seeing the reaction of these officers, hearing them describe what they endured, what it's meant to them and what it's meant to their families and the hardship it placed on them, hearing officer
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dunn talk about, you know, breaking down with his fellow black officer colleague and their shock at what had happened, the profound questions they asked about whether is this america, it moved all of us. i thinkhe committee had to struggle to hold it together watching these brave men and hearing what they went through. >> congressman schiff, appreciate your time, thank you. >> thank you. >> the two republicans on the january 6th committee were there today and took on other members of their own party. >> many in my party have treated this as just another partisan fight. plus, breaking news a source telling cnn biden will announce a vaccine mandate for federal employees as the cdc reverses the guidance on masks for vaccinated americans and i'll speak to bob costas and her
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fuel the violence and division in this country and most importantly, we need to reject those that promote it. >> do we hate our political adversaries more than we love our country and revere our constitution? i pray that that is not the case. >> "outfront" now mike shields, page strategists for kevin mccarthy and van jones, former special advisor to president obama. so van, you know, today we hear a congressman kinzinger and congresswoman cheney call up the fellow house republicans for whitewashing january 6th. there was not one person in that room defending republican leadership for trump. did mcelccarthy miscalculate by pulling the picks out of the committee by saying i won't have anyone in the room to listen? >> well, he's been miscalculating the whole time. he had the opportunity to have, you know, a bipartisan commission with everybody having the same rights when it comes to
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say pubpoenas that, et cetera a missed that. strike one. strike two, he could have put forward reasonable republicans, critical, tough, nancy pelosi and today missing in action while, you know, officers are bearing their souls as to what happened to them and i think he's miscalculating the whole -- if he cares about the country he's miscalculating. for his own party, who knows. if he cares about the country, he's opinion miscalculating the whole time. >> i want to play another moment from the republican congressman when he became choked up as he responded and reflected on the emotional testimony of those officers, the bravery of those officers. here is the congressman. >> you guys may like individually feel a little broken. you guys all talk about the effects you have to deal with and you talk about the impact of
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that day. but you guys won. you guys held. in a democracies are not defined by our bad days. we're defined by how we come back from bad days. >> so last week a senior gop source told cnn it was a gift from pelosi to republicans to veto the pick. mccarthy could sit back and paint it as a witch hunt but when you hear things like that today, republican congressman in that room, shouldn't mccarthy have been in the room or said he listened to at least show support for the officers, the police officers? >> look, first of all, i want to say i love the capitol police. they keep us safe. they have every right to talk and to share their voice and experiences. all police officers across the country deserve our respect. i would actually appreciate it if democrats on that panel
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before they address the police would say before i ask you my question, i'd like to say i reject defund the police and support the police across the country. that would be a nice thing for democrats to say to police officers. but look, you know, he talked about what democracy is about. democracy is about descent. even when you don't agree with someone, bringing them in to be a part of a committee so you can hear that descent is part of it and nancy pelosi rejected that and those police officers deserve better than that type of ranked partisan -- >> but mike, can i just say, i understand it is a little -- you're putting apples in oranges here. okay? the thing about defund the police, that you had to put that in there. they sat in there today and bared their soul and moved people to tears and mccarthy said he didn't listen because he had back to back meetings and marjorie taylor greene and others had press conferences to refer to the rioters as political prisoners and your thing, it seems a little
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ridiculous to start the preface of your sentence is i wish democrats said i'm not for defund the police. we're not at that room in those moment listening to those prison a -- police, that's what i'm asking. >> kevin works around them every day. it very hard as a republican to listen to the hypocrisy, the absurdity of democrats wrapping themselves in the capitol police like they are supporters of the police in this country and we just went through a year, national debate on going where the base of the democratic party says defund the police -- >> that's not true. >> political theater, people are trying and talking about how much -- of course, i support the capitol police. i love them. i have friends married to capitol police. i've been around capitol police my entire career. what happened to them was desp despicable. i hope every person that attacked a capitol policeman gets put in jail. i'm glad the fbi is acting on it. i won't be lectured -- >> that's enough.
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>> van -- >> it's really enough. it's just so disappointing to hear you saying what you're saying. first of all, you know and i know that, you know, the majority of the democrats who are in an elected rejected that slogan over and over again. you can't control what the base of your party think any more than we can but the people in that room, hold on a second, the people in that room, the democrats in that room there listening were moved. the american people who were listening were moved. today was a somber day. it was a sacred day. it was a difficult day and i don't think what you're saying right now is very helpful because all you're doing now is throwing a bunch of dirt around when in fact, we're not showing the respect that's due to those capitol police in terms of the republicans not showing up and this is the type of stuff that makes people feel discouraged and disappointed in the country. just don't do that, man, it just not right. >> van -- >> how is it showing respect for
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them and what they did to not only not show up, but like i said, to hold a press conference referring to the people that attacked them as political prisoners and for the minority leader to say i didn't have time to listen to anything that happened today, i'm sorry. >> i want to challenge that. van just said oh, the vast majority f ocof democrats don't support defund the police -- >> certainly their votes do show that. they have a very vocal base that says that but the votes on legislation shows that. mike, can you answer my question? justifies referring to the people that attacked the police as political prisoners -- >> nothing does. >> and the minority leader saying i don't have time to listen -- >> that's my point. nothing justifies calling them that and the vast majority of republicans in congress and across this country don't agree with that sentiment and you're trying to do something political, paint all republicans with marjorie taylor greene and the people, the radical people -- >> what about the minority leader kevin mccarthy?
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what about him? >> here is something that would have been respectful to the capitol police. allow the minority to be part of this process. let there be descent and people have questions you don't agree with instead of picking people that already have the conclusions that already agree with you, which is what nancy pelosi did. instead, she's broken the process and they deserve better than that. >> van, i want to give you the final word. mike, i need to correct you on one point because the minority leader asked speaker pelosi for a 50/50 republican democrat committee with equal subpoena power. she granted him that and he still voted against it. it's very important to say that because people leave that out. van, i'll give you the final word since i gave mike the first. >> i just want to say that i do hope that people who did not see the officers speaking will find a way to do so. google it and just listen to them. you know, they deserve better than the kind of political food fight that's going on in the
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country now. they're hurt. there is a look in their eyes that lets you know what happened there was really not okay and we still haven't figured out what to do about it. listen to the officers. they deserve it. >> appreciate both of you taking the time. thank you. the cdc reversing course when it comes to masks for vaccinated americans. why the cdc completely dropped the ball on this and barbara boxer mugged near her oakland apartment and trump saying cities have become a paradise for criminals. what's boxer's response?
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majority of the country. mask up. recommended everyone in k through 12 schools wear masks with the highly transmissible delta variant. >> in rare occasions, some vaccinated people infected with the delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others. this new science is worrisome and unfortunately, warrants an update to our recommendations. >> "outfront" now d jonathan ryaner that advised the white house medical team under george w. bush. let me start with you here. what is your reaction to the cdc updating the mask guidance for vaccinated people? >> well, i think the guidance is right but i think their messaging is awful. i have enormous respect for cdc and their mission and for dr. walensky in particular but boy, they're really, really getting messaging wrong here. do you really think that cdc has
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changed mask guidance for vaccinated adults to use dr. walensky's words because of rarely a vaccinated person may transmit virus to an unvaccinated person? no. they changed guidance to do the right thing, which was to force basically unvaccinated people to be vaccinated. unvaccinated people to be vaccinated and mask up. look, they need to articulate the problem clearly and the problem is that 80 million american adults have made a choice, they've made a choice not to get the vaccine and those same people are not masking and that is the force that is propagating this virus around the country. and what cdc needs to say is clearly that if you are not vaccinated, you must get vaccinated and you must mask up. but to do that, they had to basically tell the -- >> okay. >> vaccinated to mask up. >> i understand what you're
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saying, but i also take a step back here and i say okay, first they said and science and information can change, right? we all remember at the very beginning here, mask up even if you're vaccinated because you could spread it and then the yay guess what you can't spread it and now oh my gosh, now you can maybe spread it and making the change to the masking guidance based on unpublished data but shows vaccinated and unvaccinated people infected by the delta variant can have the same viral load. after changing it you can spread it to you can't maybe you can but really rare, they're telling you it's really rare but you have the same viral load. it very confusing and does beg the question of do they really know or do they know things they're not sharing with us? it's a credibility question, isn't it? we don't know what rare means. >> completely. let s let's see the data and be transparent and explain to the public what the problem is and fix is and i don't get that vibe from cdc now.
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look, i think you can tell the american public that delta is bad and because delta is bad, we need everyone to vax up, everyone to mask up but both vaccinated and the unvaccinated. the american people will listen to that. instead, you know, this story of occasionally maybe vaccinated people can, you know, can spread the virus, it just doesn't ring true to me. it doesn't ring true. >> dr. ryaner, thank you very much. ap appreciate your time as i always do. >> my pleasure. >> i want to bring in the democratic mayor of st. louis. she instituted a mask mandate amid a surge of cases there. mayor jones, appreciate your time there. i know the mask mandate you put into place went into effect yesterday. do you feel like the new guidance from the cdc validates your decision? >> absolutely. the biggest push back i was
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getting from regular citizens was, you know, why aren't you following the cdc guidelines so today's decision by the cdc for those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated to wear masks especially in areas where there is high transmission definitely validates the decision dr. paige and i made. >> i know obviously you're seeing incredibly high transmission and you seem to reference there you're facing a backlash over the mask mandate. the attorney general states suing you. other small business owners and some of your constituents have been pushing back on the decision. here is a bit of what they've been saying. >> i don't think our residents need to be told to mask up or to social distance. >> if you're fully vaccinated, you know, it's your personal choice. >> whenever we had the mask mandate, we had to fight a lot of people that didn't want to wear a mask. we had a customer pull a gun and threaten to fight and go crazy.
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>>yor jones, i know those are different reasons but what do you say to them? >> a could things, number one, i went to school at -- and got a masters in health administration and worked in health and hospitals, health systems and hospitals for over ten years, so i'm pretty sure that a mask mandate is doing to help protect people and the people of the city elected me to look out for their best interest. this has been politicized far too much by those on the right and our attorney general by pushing back and filing frivolous lawsuits about mask mandates. even if i didn't do anything, they would have a problem with me not doing enough. so this is one of those situations where i'm dammed if i do and dammed if i don't but i'd rather be on the right side of history trying to do something to help the redents that elected me. >> you mentioned the attorney public general suing you and you
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have to deal with that. he said it's unreasonable and arbitrary and unlawful. do you think you're on solid legal ground here to have this held up? >> yes, absolutely. we should also mention that same attorney general running for u.s. senate so this is a political stunt. he's also attempted to sue china over the origin of covid-19. he's in the practice of filing frivolous lawsuits with baseless claims and we'll be victorious. >> so president biden is expected to announce a requirement that all federal employees and contractors get vaccinated or submit to regular testing and we expect that that's going to happen this week, mayor jones, probably by thursday. will you mandate vaccines for city employees? >> we're not at that point just yet. we are starting an incentive program for city employees to get $100 gift cards for getting vaccinated so we're going to try to, you know, strongly encourage that through that incentive
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program and hopefully, we can increase our vaccination rates among city employees. >> all right. mayor jones, appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. "outfront" next barbara boxer assaulted and robbed in broad daylight near her home in oakland, california. the search on tonight for her attacker. the former senator is next with details. >> simone biles dropping out of the women's team final siting mental health. bob costas weighs in. i'm really nervous. i don't know what i should wear. just wear something not too crazy, remember it's a business dinner not a costume party. on a spotty network this is what she heard... just wear something crazy, remember it's a costume party. a costume party!? yes!
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tonight, oakland police searching for the person that robbed and assaulted barbara boxer. she is 80 years old walking by herself, someone came up, pushed her in the back, stole her cell phone and jumped back into a car happening in broad daylight. joining me now, senator bar bro b -- barbara boxer. terrifying in daylight walking down the street. can you tell me what you experienced and what happened? >> yes, i can. first, i want to say we had a
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place in oakland since 2005 and love it and we've never had a hint of any kind of problem, jackland square is beautiful by the bay. wonderfulest estful restaurant greenery and i wanted to say that. this day was a different day for me and so unexpected and scary because i was on the phone with some business partners talking about some issues and i wanted to get to a quiet street so that people wouldn't hear all the noise in the back front and obviously, there were a couple guys waiting to find an old lady with a new cell phone and literally, that's what they wanted, and so one of them kind of stalked me. i didn't think much of it. he got in the car and i thought, okay, he's leaving but then the other fellow jumped out of the car, and started to run toward me and i started to run away, and he essentially sort of at
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the same time slammed me in the back, grabbed my phone because my hand obviously let go of the phone. my earphones fell on the ground and more than anything else, i was shaking. i've never been so surprised and it was so fast and i was just not ready. i was stunned and they were young. they were young. that's what's so upsetting. >> so oakland police chief recently was talking to me and he was saying he's extremely worried about the rise in crime. now, of ybviously talking about upsetting inls cident but a pet crime. homicide has a 69% increase. assaults with a gun 68% increase. robberies like you experienced, only, i put that in quotes only up 14%. senator, the reason i give these numbers is to put it in context ba
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because the oakland city counsel voted to move $18 million away from the police department to other programs, mental health programs, other things but away from the police department and former president trump seized on this. he said today in light of what happened to you and that defunding, our once great cities like new york, detroit, san francisco and so many others have become a paradise for criminals because of democrats. what do you say to that in the context of what is happening in oak oakland? >> well, first, i want to say this former president trump has a horrible record when he was president. the murder rate went way up under trump. crimes with guns went way up and hate crimes under trump surged 20%. so he has literally no standing, and let me just say how i feel. i feel we need more money for community policing. we need more officers on the street. we need them to be from the community, by the community, for the community.
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and i worked on that issue many years ago when i was a county supervisor. community policing works because you've got to make relationships with these young people and, you know, somebody asked me the other day if you had a chance, barbara, to say something to the young kids who did this to you, what would you say? it came pretty quickly. it was how could you hurt someone who has the potential to love you? these are our youngsters. they were the same age as my grandkids, and i do have to say, erin, as this gentleman ran away and went into the car, i don't know automatically i yelled out how could you do this to a grandmother? i need to call my friend kids. bring me back my phone. well, obviously, he wasn't that interested and jumped in the car. but it is a hurtful thing to see young people that don't have the love in their heart. so we have to do all of this. we have to go -- we have to pass
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sensible gun laws for god's sakes. we don't need weapons of war on our streets. we need to give our kids opportunity. the oakland a's should stay in oakland. >> all true. i do -- in the context of the broader conversation about the surge in violent i wanted to ask you one other thing, though. the chicago police superintendent is speaking out. he's blaming the rise in crime there on courts releasing these criminals. right? in part just go ahead and release, bail reform. here he is. >> can the courts hold people in jail who are violent, who have been arrested, who have been charged with murder? murder. i don't think there's another city in this country releasing people charged with murder back into the community on electronic monitoring. >> and senator, closer to home for you there was a study. half of people released from jail in san francisco who get
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out before trial -- you used to not be able to do that -- failed to show up to court. even more arrested for allegedly committing another crime while free. do you think that bail reform, which is something progressives have championed, is at the heart of solving the crime problem right now? >> i think we have to look at all of these things and we need to base our decisions on what is happening. clearly, the chicago police chief knows exactly what he's talking about. we don't want people out on the streets who are a danger to other people. of course we don't. we have to keep them in jail. and we have to try to reach them in jail and get them on a better path. look, this is been around a long time. democrats -- very strong with tough love on our kids, real enforcement and more community policing. i believe in that and i always have. >> senator boxer, i appreciate your time. thank you very much and i'm glad to see that you seem to be
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recovered and looking and feeling so good after that scary incident. thank you. >> thanks. >> next, simone biles, the most decorated gymnast in the world, dropping out of the women's team final. and legendary olympic broadcaster bob costas joins me next with what happened.
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tonight decorated gymnast simone biles sending shog waifs around the world after dropping out of the women gymnastics team final and revealing she's concerned about her mental health. >> i was just shaking, could barely nap. i've just never felt like this going into a competition before. once i came out here, i was like, no. mental is not there. so i just need to let the girls do it and focus on myself. >> i want to bring in legendary sports broadcaster bob costas. he's covered 12 olympic games. bob, i mean, it's hard to overstate how big this decision
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was, this news was. biles has been hinting at mental she's been under. she wrote on instagram just yesterday, and i quote her, "i truly do feel like i have the weight of the world on my shoulders at times. i know i brush it off and make it seem like pressure doesn't affect me, but damn, sometimes it's hard. the olympics is no joke." i mean, in gymnastics the olympics are the holy grail. it's not like, say, tennis where you've got the u.s. open and the french open. it is the olympics. it is shocking that she quit. what happened? >> well, i think she explained it, that she was just feeling so much stress. but also that played itself out in a poor performance, uncharacteristically poor when she is so often perfect or close to perfect, both in warm-ups and in the early stages of competition on the vault today. unless something has happened in the last half hour of which i'm not aware, we don't know yet if she'll resume competition on thursday when the individual all-around takes place, and then there are several other
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individual apparatus on which she would be favored if she were at her peak. so we don't know if she's just left the team competition, which is over now and her teammates took the silver medal behind the russians, or whether she's out altogether. but the point you made is true, erin. not only is the olympics everything in sports like gymnastics or track and field or swimming, once you leave there it isn't by a matter of degree. it's a whole different world in terms of what's the next most important thing in terms of your legacy and prestige and eyeballs in front of television sets and whatnot. so she has waited five years, not four, for this. and four years from now or i guess three years from now in paris she would be at a very advanced age for a gymnast, which would be 27. so if she steps off the stage entirely now, she will still go down as the greatest female gymnast of all time because she has done things that no one else has ever done. it isn't just that she's won gold medals. others have won. in fact, the last four olympic
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all-arounds among women were won by american women going back to carly patterson in two2004. it isn't just that she won. you're saying bolt won the 100 meters. others have won the 100 meters. but he holds the world record. no one's ever did what he did. that's her standing even if she never competes again. but everyone wanted to see her. with all due respect to katie ledecky and a few others she was the face of this very unusual olympic games from an american perspective. and it isn't just that she's excellent. she's so artistic. her artistry is breathtaking. and i think everyone would feel, though they sympathize with her, they'd feel deprived of the privilege of seeing the greatest of all time not do it at least one more time. >> well, incredible when you watch those leaps, we've never seen anyone leap that high. she is stupendous. she did say that tennis star naomi osaka inspired her to focus on her mental health. in the sound bite i played there
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she told her teammates that she needed to focus on herself. so obviously, as you point out, if she returns to competition, you know, they lost. they came in second. right? to the russians on the team. how do her teammates feel, right? when she said i need to focus on myself. what's their reaction to her quitting the team event if she comes back and actually competes on her own for individual medals? >> well, obviously, after being part of every summer olympics since 1988, i'm watching from a distance. so i'm not going to pretend to insight i don't have. but from everything i can gather, from what i saw firsthand in rio in 2016, from what i know having spoken to some of her teammates in the interim and what i've seen from a distance, they love her. they're in awe of her. they know she's the best ever. and there's a lot of love there. you saw it on the medal stand. so i think if she comes back and excels individually they'll cheer for her and i think
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they're in basic sympathy with her and the decision she made today. >> so mental health is now something people talk about. but obviously it being a huge challenge for athletes isn't new. it's just that we're hearing about it. right? michael phelps did an interview with you where he talked about struggling ahead of the olympics. and he was the greatest swimmer of all time. and he talked about even considering taking his own life. here he is in an interview in 2018. >> i was so down on myself, i didn't have any self-love. and quite honestly i just didn't want to be alive. it was a really, really, really crazy time for me. and i didn't want to see anybody. because for me like i saw myself as letting so many people down and me myself in particular. >> do you think we'll hear more of this? >> yeah. there's a cultural shift. there used to be stigma attached to it. there still is to some extent. but that is lessening. with each person that comes out. i think michael phelps has devoted much of his post-olympic
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life to trying to be a spokesperson for the idea that yeah, if you need help it's nop diff no different than if you had an aching back. it may be different in terms of what the implications are but there should be no more stigma attached to it than going to the doctor for a physical ailment. he's not alone in that. aaron rodgers hasn't stopped competition but one of the things aaron rodgers has said while he dickers back and forth with the packers is i'm taking this summer to work on the mental aspect of my life. kevin love the nba player who's been on olympic teams had an issue and stepped aside for a while. so it's becoming more and more accepted. >> all right. well, i appreciate it. thank you so much, bob. really great to have you, and thank you. >> thanks, erin. >> thanks to all of you. it's time for anderson. good evening. for almost every moment since a violent mob of trump supporters breached the capitol, we have been lied to about what actually happened that day. tonight the people trying to tell you it sn