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is this bill going to make it to the president's desk. >> the humiliation of george p. bush after apparently begging for an endorsement from donald trump, he didn't get it. why didn't he see this coming? and fresh off his trip to space, he wants more. jeff bezos is now setting his sights on the moon with an aggressive new move. all right. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. it is tuesday, july 27th. coronavirus cases exploding and the former director of the cdc warnings that the next month and a half is going to be painful. >> we're heading into a rough time. it's likely if our trajectory is similar to that in the united kingdom that we could see as
many as 200,000 cases a day, four times our current rate, within another four to six weeks. >> that would be horrible. the seven-day average is now higher than 55,000. one month ago, it was about 12,000. some cities and government agencies springing into action. in new york, all city workers required to get vaccinated or be tested once a week. the same goes for california. the v.a., the veterans affairs, now requiring its front line health care workers to be vaccinated. this is a big deal. why? because the v.a. is now the first federal agency to require vaccinations. >> and the justice department is weighing in here. they say that it is legal to mandate vaccines, even if vaccines only have emergency use authorization. and more federal agencies could be joining suit here. the city's of province town, massachusetts, of course in the middle of tourist season, savannah, georgia, st. louis as well, announcing new requirements for indoor masking.
florida is now the epicenter of the surge we are seeing. cases have more than tripled in the past few weeks, and every coin county in the state has high levels of community transmission. cnn went inside one florida hospital where covid patients are pleading for vaccines after contracting the virus. >> we're getting ready to intubate the patient, putting them on a ventilator, and they say if i get the vaccine now, could i not go on the ventilator. so they are begging for it. >> bad? >> yeah, i cannot breathe good. i have shortness of breath. i feel sorry about not getting a vaccine. >> you're sorry you didn't get the vaccine. do you think you would be here if you had gotten the vaccine? >> no. >> all right. joining me now is politico reporter, gary fineout, who has spent the past two decades
covering florida politics. it's tough to hear from patients in the jacksonville hospital. it's tough to see the numbers right now in the state that you cover so closely. i want to talk to you about, there is a little political angle here which is that florida governor ron desantis has staked out clear territory here. i don't know, he's got these ac koozies and saying don't fauci my florida. and critical of restrictions that existed in the past. he signed, you know, a measure which makes it basically illegal to mandate vaccinations in businesses. he says in florida, your personal choice regarding vaccinations will be protected and no business or government entity will be able to deny you services based on your decision. so has desantis painted himself into a corner here? >> well, i mean, his basic premise has been that he has felt that he has been mostly
right, and that as you know, he's kind of railed against the media, and railed against health care experts and has insisted that some of the things that have come out have not been correct, and so i think at this point in time, i don't see any sign of him changing his stance. in fact, he had a round table yesterday at the capitol that the media was not informed about in which he basically had an hour long discussion about why mask mandates were wrong for schools. and so, yeah, i think the governor is dug in, and i don't see that changing anytime soon because it's frankly, it's, you know, elevated him to the top of the presidential candidates for 2024 by his stances. >> what proactive measures, then, is he or could he take to battle this clear surge in florida? >> well, i mean, i think it is important to note that he did -- and he did this yesterday and
done this last week, he stressed that vaccines do help, that they will keep people from getting seriously ill. he is communicating that message. now, what we have seen interestingly enough is that early on, earlier this year, january and february, he was very much hyping up the need to get vaccinated and was setting up pop up sites and everything like that. in the last couple of months as the numbers began to wane in terms of cases, that messaging has kind of been replaced by other sort of red meat republican issues that he had been emphasizing. i think the question is should florida be doing more to emphasize vaccinations and i know there are a lot of critics, including people who are democrats who have said, no, he's not doing enough. >> one does wonder to what extent this could undermine his florida is a coronavirus success story platform which you know he has been running on on the national scene.
>> right. and i mean, he himself has called this a seasonal change. now, i understand there are medical experts who sort of dispute his framing of it that way. but he flat out predicted that the case counts would go down in august, so i guess we'll just have to see whether or not his prognostication is, in fact, correct. there are things he has been right on the in the past, and other things he's wrong on so, yeah, i mean, right now he is staking a lot on this. and as you pointed out, now he has more control over what the state can do. >> right. and not do. which i think is actually at this point, you know, more applicable because i don't think we're going to see vaccine mandates or local jurisdictions or businesses do that, and obviously i don't think we'll see more masking in florida at this point, right? >> well, yeah, no. what's interesting is that yesterday a couple of local communities have started to
place mask mandates for their local facilities, like city-owned property. basically right now because of the change in law, if a community were to declare a local public health emergency and then try to enact measures such as a mask mandate, the governor has the veto power, he could stop them. yes, i mean, the local governments are somewhat limited in the response that they could do as a result of changes pushed through by the republican-controlled legislature and the governor. >> the virus doesn't care about politics. that's one thing we know for sure. gary fineout, you cover it so well in florida. we appreciate you being with us this morning. thank you very much. >> thank you. former fda commissioner stephen hahn says full fda approval of covid-19 vaccines could help get more americans vaccinated. >> if the fda were to approve this vaccine, it would make a difference for people? >> yeah, i think it would. you know, the fda's stamp of
approval, the gold standard. i think the data with the fda, they're probably having a give and take with the companies about it. they'll do a great job to look at the data. we depend on them to look at this thoroughly, and that's what that day doing now. i think it will make a difference. >> joining us now is chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta, if they can help what's the hold up. >> when you talk about the approval process, typically you have to have a certain amount of data. you remember with the emergency use authorization they wanted at least three months worth of data, and back then, people were saying, what's the hold up here? this is taking too long, and i'm talking about the end of last year. but they got it done, and some of those authorizations came in december. now they're saying they want six months worth of data so january through june. pfizer has submitted that data. moderna is starting to submit that data, and what we're hearing is that the approval is likely going to come by the end of next month.
maybe it should be going faster. i think that, you know, most people think it should be going faster. this is as fast as it's ever gone. you've got to look at lots of data. you've also got to look at the manufacturing facilities to make sure that they're going to be able to manufacture it at the scale that's going to be needed over the next years. we'll start to see ads on television. once there's an approval process, they got to go through that process. there's all of these different things. that's sort of how it's, you know, when we talk to our sources who are looking at this process from the inside, that's what it looks like, and probably end of august, sometime end of august, that's probably when we're going to see those approvals. >> sanjay, do you think that having that full approval is going to change how we see vaccine mandates being put forward? >> we're already seeing some companies saying you have to be vaccinated if you want to come bang to work. we're seeing that at the v.a., at hospitals. will the full approval mean we see more vaccine mandates? >> yeah, i think so. you know, as you point out, you
can do it now. the mandates can go in place now with an authorization, but there are many institutions that are more hesitant to do that or they get a lot of push back saying don't do that until there's approval. i think the mandates, universities, things like that will become more easily done. i think with regard to individuals, it's interesting, you know, we have been following this along for some time. and what you find out of the people who are not vaccinated now, what impact would approval versus authorization have on them. and again, this is polling data, so it's always hard to sort of parse it out. but they say about 16% of that remaining unvaccinated population would be pushed over the edge to go from, okay, i didn't get it, and now i will get it because of the approval versus the authorization. we'll see what it actually, you know, plays out to be, but that's roughly the numbers. >> we're getting new information from your unit, the health unit here that a decision on new mask guidance for the vaccinated is
imminent. this is a big deal now because fully vaccinated people have been told we don't need to wear masks. right? basically. but as the delta variant explodes, there have been new questions about whether or not this might change. what do you expect might happen? >> well, you know, if you go back to may 1st when the guidance changed where they basically said vaccinated people no longer needed to wear masks indoors, a lot of people were surprised by that, even within the public health community, even people close to the white house were surprised by that. many people believe masking as a mitigation measure would be the last thing to be lifted. why? it's so easy to do. it's so effective. never the less that happened, over the last couple of months we have seen what's happened with the numbers. it got down to just under 12,000 new cases per day. by the way, if we'd gotten to 10,000 or lower, we would have been officially in containment mode in this country, feel like
we could actually get our hands around this thing. we got tantalizingly close to that. didn't quite get it. it's gone up several fold since then. i think that's prompted these discussions, and i think there's strong feelings about this on both sides. the cdc has been pretty steadfast in saying we're not going to change the guidance but obviously we know the delta variant is far more transmissible, and also that when you do develop an infection with the delta variant, the amount of virus you're carrying in your system is up to a thousand fold higher than with the original strain, so even if people aren't getting as sick from it and the vaccines still remain very protective, they are carrying a lot more virus that could potentially make them more transmissible. i think that's fueling these discussions, and we'll see. over the next day or so, we may hear new guidance about indoors masking, even for the vaccinated. >> there were valid questions, maybe still are, about that decision on masking, if it was to incentivize vaccinations, that in the balance of things,
if that was a good way to get people vaccinated because health officials say that is what was most important. do you think that if there is this new guidance for masking for the vaccinated it will, you know, be a disincentive for vaccines? >> it's a great question, brianna. first of all, you know, we did see an uptick in vaccinations after that decision was made. so to the extent that they perceived it would be an incentive, there was some evidence that it was an incentive. now obviously vaccination rates have been going down. we can show you what vaccinations have been doing over the past several weeks and months. i don't know, brianna. it's tough to know how people are going to react. i think it's going to be a blow psychologically a little bit, you know, to basically say hey, look, we're stutter stepping a bit. now we're saying you need to wear masks again. there's going to be people upset
about that, and it may feel like we're taking a step backwards with regard to our progress. but this is the way the science is sort of leading us. if you look overall, the trajectory of the pandemic, you know, we have had these waves. this delta wave is potentially very concerning, you know, and i think that we have lessons we have just learned from last year. we don't want to be making these decisions after the fact because at that point, you can start to go into exponential growth, and that's really hard to control. so if we can get ahead of it, which i think is what the discussions all revolve around, it could make a huge difference. >> and as michael and others have pointed out, to a certain extent, we have been pushed into a corner where the country has to govern for the unvaccinated. everyone might have to mask up again because the unvaccinated people should have been wearing masks all along have not been. they took it as an invitation to keep those masks off. sanjay you got back from tokyo, tough turn around from the
olympics, what did you learn while you were there? >> they're in a state of emergency just to give you sense. you have a lot of excitement, and a lot of anxiety there. it's a tale of two cities in tokyo right now. we can show you bit about what the numbers have been doing in tokyo. they have been going up. i mean, japan was a place that was sort of held up as an example of a country doing things well. the numbers are starting to go up over there, and therefore it's really locked down, john. to be, you know, you've covered a lot of stories like this, to get out and about, you had to be escorted everywhere. we got tested every day, 96 hours before i left. 72 hours before i left at the airport, at the hotel every day. it's really pretty locked down. let me give you a little bit of context. i think this is interesting, so tokyo in a state of emergency, the number of cases per day. i want you to compare that now to eother cities and see where they stand to give you an idea the level at which someone goes into a state of emergency.
tokyo, 11 per hundred thousand. these are other cities now. miami, 58 per hundred thousand. this is just context, right. when you're in tokyo, we're locked down, 11 per 100,000, unacceptable, we're not going to tolerate this. what level of cases, new cases gets you to that point in the united states or frankly in other cities around the world. that's going to be a conversation. but also vaccine hesitancy. right now they clearly have a supply issue. they have 22% of their country vaccinated. they wish they had their vaccines. there's long lines for vaccines, and not enough to vaccinate as quickly as they would like. despite the fact they're doing it quickly. i talked to the japanese vaccine minister about this, what did they anticipate, and what he told me i thought was really fascinating. take a listen. i have been surprised, minister, in the united states about how politicized everything has
become from wearing a mask to getting a vaccine. it's really been quite striking actually. i'm curious about here. have you dealt with some of those same things? >> there are some people who are against the vaccine. if you look at their twitter account, many of them have president trump's photo on it. so they are trying to follow what president trump's supporters are doing in the united states. i mean, they are all japanese, but they openly say they support the president trump, and they say we don't need the masks, we don't need the vaccine. and that's a bit strange to me. >> that i didn't expect. i mean, vaccine hesitancy is something countries deal with
all over the world, some countries more than others but the ripple effect now of this political situation in the united states, a country that is 4% of the world's population, on countries on the other side of the globe was quite striking. they are going to deal with vaccine he sitancy as well. in part, again, some of that existed pre-pandemic, but it's been amplified all over the world. even in a place like japan. >> a u.s. export that i think we shouldn't be proud of. sanjay great to see you this morning. glad to have you back. >> thank you. and new this morning, donald trump snubbing his favorite bush as he puts it despite weeks of wooing, kissing the ring, quite frankly sucking up to trump in what appeared to be an effort to get his endorsement, george p. bush doesn't have it. instead trump is backing ken paxton for the race for attorney general in texas. bush is the son of former florida governor jeb bush. he met recently with trump in
new york. he had a campaign koozie that was made. a source telling cnn that during that meeting that trump assured him that he would stay out of the race. that was never going to happen, though. another source comparing the situation to this. >> this time i'm going to kick that football clear to the moon. >> isn't it peculiar, charlie brown, how some traditions just slowly fade away. >> charlie brown, of course the george p. bush this that situation there. joining us now is s.e. cupp, cnn political commentator to talk about this. revenge best served cold like a beer in a koozie, i guess. >> i know. it really is, though, just another in a long line of humiliations for suckups who would, you know, bow at the feet
of donald trump in hopes for some of his crumbs, and really only to be left kind of emasculated. i mean, george p. is i think one of the worst examples because he literally got nothing out of it. even donald trump saying nothing until a little bit later in the primary would have been better than this. but, you know, everyone from marco rubio to ted cruz to rand paul to lindsey graham, ben carson, i mean, donald trump went after ben carson's religion, he's gone after these guys' families, i don't know anything more personal than your faith or your family, and yet all of these guys decided staying in power or getting power was more important than, like, pride, was more important than dignity and principles, and i think what you witnessed george p. really putting power ahead of principles and pride. >> and putting koozies right in
the center of it all. i mean, obviously it's campaign paraphernalia, and it's not this side that's the doozie. >> he's got like a picture of donald trump where trump is bragging about how george p. is the one bush that he likes, and you know, the george p. bush campaign puts this out. it's just, i mean, it's got to sting. >> yeah, i mean, to me, like i said, and i've said this for five years, the word is emasculation. this is emasculating. what george p. did in deference to trump was not high minded. it wasn't about principles. this was literally putting a dumb quote and a cartoon on a koozie in hopes that that would reach this guy and get him to kind of just, at the very least back off in the race. i don't think george p. ever expected to get trump's endorsement, but being about ten points behind paxton, you kind of just wanted him to hold off
and so, i mean, this is the great feat of donald trump, how he has so emasculated the gop, and continues to even though he's out of office and post recently lost spectacularly. i just, it's so humiliating, and embarrassing. >> i wonder if george p. will end up thanking trump for this at this point. because, you know, what else can he do, thank you, mr. trump, for even considering the endorsement, sir. >> that's where this has left to go. i think the interesting thing would have been if george p. had embarked on this fun experiment where he shows another conservative lane, a lane that was not trump. he wasn't going to out trump ken paxton, and paxton is under some investigations. i think george p. could have taken him on on those things had he not also been begging for the endorsement of a guy who was
also under lots of investigations. we'll never know how that would have gone because george p. did not decide to take that route, and so here's what he's left with, really just a lousy nickname, my bush. >> if he wanted to raise questions about paxton's character, well, he ended up just raising questions about his own as you point out. s.e. cupp, thank you so much. always wonderful to see you, and up next, there is growing frustration over vaccine hesitancy. our next guest says vaccinated america has had enough. plus, we're hours away from the first hearing, the first house select committee hearing into the january 6th insurrection. what minority leader mccarthy is now calling the republicans on that committee. before nexium 24hr, anna could only imagine a comfortable night's sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up. now, that dream... . ...is her reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts, for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn?
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it's been more than six months since the covid-19 vaccine started to roll out across the country, yet a minority of unvaccinated adults are making life riskier for everyone and extending the length of the pandemic. in a new piece, david from declared that vaccinated america has had enough. experts list reasons for the vaccine slump, and one reason stands out, vaccine resistance among conservative, evangelical, and pro trump america has decided that vaccine refusal is a statement of identity and a test of loyalty. former speech writer for president george w. bush and staff writer for the atlantic david frum is with us now. you say there's a breaking point for americans, for vaccinated americans. what do you think that is? >> i think you could feel it in the air last week, which was when the atlantic published this piece.
to this point, we'd had this big slow down in vaccination over the summer, and through the early part of the summer, the mood was one of coaxing, inducement, would you like a lottery ticket, would you like free beer, maybe some other inducement, maybe money, maybe as much as a thousand dollars if you're take the shot, but none of that worked, and you could feel last week, as people who had done their civic duty got themselves vaccinated to protect themselves and others realized, what, the delta variant may force me to remask, may mess with my kids' fall term, something has to change. and that mood, i think, is really crystallized and you can see it in actions by states and localities around the country, and private businesses, too. >> so what has to change, because you sort of talk about that change in tone that you have to use compassion first when you're talking to people who are unvaccinated but that eventually you have people who are choosing in the name of personal responsibility and personal choice not to get vaccinated, and that's obviously
affecting other people, not just them. so what needs to be done? >> well, we are going to move from a world of insen centives world of disincentives, if you're not vaccinated, you're going to be standing in longer lines. you may not be able to fly. you may not be able to take interstate bus and trains, that private businesses should have the legitimate right to refuse you service if you're in an indoor space, like a bar, no shirt, no shoes, no vacc, no service. the mood of patients needs to change a little bit. this is no longer just people hurting themselves. it's people incubating deadlier forms of the virus, more infectious forms of the virus, and exposing others to harm, especially children and especially those children's teachers. >> does the white house need to do more? does president biden need to do more in modeling those disincentives? >> i think president biden has an interesting leadership model where he waits to act until other people demand that he act.
no one can say he's precipitate. i think we're already seeing this happening at private businesses. 500 bars in san francisco have agreed we won't serve anyone unless they have been vaccinated. it's coming from the states, the state of california. i think other states will follow in saying, front line health care workers, it's not optional. national guard people, it's not optional. teachers in schools, it's not optional. and for everyone everywhere else, we use our regulatory authority to say you don't have to do it, but you also don't have to take the bus. >> i want you to listen to something that the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said yesterday. >> after the biden administration was very eager to claim ownership and spike the football on the vaccination trajectory, which they largely inherited from republican leadership, we have now seen vaccination rates in many places plateau on what this white house has been insisting is their
watch. this turn toward possessism is especially stunning and sad, because president biden took office with wind at his wback. >> i wonder what you think of that. mitch mcconnell personally is pro-vaccine but we're seeing a lot of republicans who have emboldened this anti-covid rhetoric. >> mcconnell is a polo survivor, he knows how vaccines change the world for the better. republican politicians have been playing a double game, and again, last week, you could begin to see that change, and i think what we can see is they were getting gates of hell polling numbers on their cute si, we're not anti-vacc, but we're certainly for protecting the anti-vacc, and people are realizing they are branding themselves of the party of permission to non-vacc, governor desantis in florida, if you want
a cruise ship to stop here, you have to let unvaccinated people on a cruise ship, one of the de deadliest venues for covid. mitch mcconnell is trying to change that to make it seem like it's somehow president biden's fault that he and his colleagues have been doing so much to sack t -- sabotage the biden effort. biden is strongly branded as pro-vaxx, and republican politicians have given a lot of room to anti-vaxx lunacy. >> there's too much tape to turn the ship around, if you pardoned pun. can anything be done to save this deal? >> and billionaire jeff bezos is back from his trip to space, and now shooting for the moon.
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this is cnn breaking news. major breaking news out of the olympics. we just learned that simone biles has pulled out of the team competition. let's go live to christine brennan in tokyo. christine, a number of questions here. number one, what happened with simone biles? number two, what does this mean for the u.s. team competing in the competition? number three, what does this mean for simone biles going forward in the individual competitions? >> john, this is shocking news. this is exactly what the united states with simone biles, what every gymnastics fan around the world, everyone who has been watching the olympics, and waiting for simone biles to compete, this is exactly what they did not want to have happen. worst nightmare coming to pass here. simone, on the first event of the first rotation of the team competition tonight, about a half hour ago, she bailed out of
her vault. several people said i'm not at the venue, but several people said it looked like she kind of got lost in the air. she nearly landed on her knees. looked like she was about to cry as she came off the podium. lots of hugs, lots of concern. she talked to the trainer. she left the field of play. that, again, is simone biles leaving the field of play, getting looked at, came back, and within a few minutes, and again, this is probably about 10, 15 minutes ago, john, within a few minutes of her return, word came and it was then reported and now usa gymnastics is confirming it to usa today that simone biles is out for the rest of the night. obviously early morning in the united states, out for the rest of the night. she is out of the team competition. the united states will not have the greatest gymnast of all time to be part of this very important team competition. >> now, any word on the nature of the injury itself or,
christine, again, does this mean the u.s. gets to put an alternate in? >> that is correct. and jordan chiles is that alternate. she came up, the next event, john, was the uneven bars for the americans, and she -- i did not see it, but she had a strong routine. she came in and she really was, you know, excellent in this incredibly quick last minute replacement role of having to replace, of course, as we know, the greatest of all time, simone biles, so the americans are moving on. also, i'm seeing that the associated press is reporting that there's an apparent injury. we don't yet know what it is. reports are that nothing is yet being announced in the arena. so the competition goes on. simone biles is not in the competition. replaced by jordan chiles,
that's normal. there's always an alternate ready to go in the case of injury. but of course, this isn't just any old injury, as you know, john, this is simone biles, and as you asked, what does this mean for the rest of the competition, that is a great question. certainly it brings into question whether or not simone biles can continue in the olympic games. i cannot believe i just said that sentence. by far the biggest name worldwide, not just in the united states, but the biggest name in these games, and now obviously incredible questions moving forward if she can compete in the all around competition, and the individual events competition, the apparatus is later in the olympics. but huge news. stunning news. and incredibly sad news for the millions of simone biles fans, and of course for simone herself as she's trying to repeat to help the u.s. team repeat as the team gold medalists and then, of course, her opportunity to win gold medals individually
herself. >> the greatest u.s. gymnast of all time, one of the greatest u.s. olympic athletes of all time, uncertainty about her future at these games. major news, christine brennan, thank you so much for helping us understand. please keep us posted, obviously more details coming in about the exact nature of this injury. thank you. this morning, uncertainty looms over the fate of the bipartisan infrastructure deal with republicans and democrats remaining far apart in a range of outstanding issues after the latest round of talks. joining us now, cnn white house correspondent john harwin, i know you're sitting with all of us stunned about the simone biles news to be honest, this is a big deal, but let's talk about infrastructure, a big deal in washington. where exactly are the talks right now, and what exactly are the hold ups? >> they're on the 5 yard line where they have been for some time. remember, it's been more than a month since joe biden walked out with those republicans at the
white house and said we've got a deal. but you have to go from having a deal in concept to putting the numbers on a piece of paper and putting the policy on a piece of paper and coming up with what is the ratio of transit funding to highway funding, what are the ways to pay for the deal. can you use surplus covid relief money. at the end of the day, though, i think it is going to be about do those 11 republicans who made the deal, potentially bipartisan deal, do they have the stomach at a time when their party is looking to the 2022 electioelections, wanted joe biden to fail. do they have the stomach to make that deal with him. joe biden wants this badly. if he gets it, that will help him get the second part of his agenda, that huge 3 1/2 billion dollars reconciliation bill that only democrats are going to pass, help for struggling families. they have to decide if they're willing to do that, and we don't know the answer yet. >> there's a lot of tension about the fact that you have
these two bills, the bipartisan potential path forward, but yesterday, joe manchin who's key in this, west virginia democrat said that if the bipartisan infrastructure bill falls apart, then everything could fall apart, meaning he's not just going to go along necessarily with this bigger all democrat bill. what do you think? >> that's certainly possible. i don't think that's the likeliest outcome. if in the end, the bipartisan deal falls apart it will be because republicans don't want to cut that deal. then it's going to fall to joe manchin, to kyrsten sinema, the senator from arizona, let's give bipartisanship -- if it falls apart, there's going to be tremendous pressure on them to play as part of the team and not bring down the agenda of this new democratic president. are they willing to do that? i think the white house doubts it. but they can't know for sure. >> john harwood, thank you very
much for being with us this morning. let's bring in cnn contributor, dr. abdul el-sayed, and former adviser to the pete buttigieg campaign, and former obama pollster, joel beninson, you have a warning for democrats about being greedy, too greedy in their commands. explain this position. >> well, what i said is that you want to push your agenda as far as you can without losing support of voters in the middle. and what i mean by that is, you know, we don't have a majority of people on the left or on the right, so to be successful, you've got to persuade centrist voters, a lot of them in swing states. president biden did a good job of this with his campaign in 2020, and i think the infrastructure bill does resonate with those folks. in 2020, president biden won with independent and moderate voters out performed what hillary clinton had done in the previous presidential election by 12 points. that's how he got elected in a
very tight election. so democrats here have an opportunity to be ambitious. not move too far away, so that they lose some of those voters who will support this plan, which has a ton of stuff in it that people want from clean water to clean energy to child care. i mean, there are so many things here that can sell in america that connect with people's lives. we did a poll on infrastructure for a group called build together, and we had 53% of republicans support rolling back tax cuts on the wealthy to pay for these moves forward on our infrastructure. so democrats can get to a winning place here just don't overshoot the runway, that was my cautionary note. >> dr. el-sayed. >> with all due respect to joel, he spent time in d.c. in michigan, you go to wayne
county, and think about black voters who delivered michigan for joe biden, it has rained three times historical levels of rain for july, and every single time it has flooded, and what they're saying is don't just fix infrastructure, do something about the fact that we are barrelling toward indelible climate change right now, and we've got to fix these problems, and so, you know, joel didn't really mention what is too much but what i think he's talking about is the idea that we also have to take on climate change, and this $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill actually does what it takes not just to fix the infrastructure but also to do what we need to do, to be thinking about our role on climate change and so many other issues, and i think we've got to really go to the folks that we're talking about here, people who live in communities like detroit and ask what do you need. and they have been waiting for a long time, and i think they deserve this administration to deliver for them. >> joel. >> yeah, look, i have been very clear on climate change. i think this is a winning issue in the work we've done on this
issue. we see it across the board, and in fact, in the polling we did on infrastructure, one sp interesting fact, people should know in america, the three states leading in wind production is texas, oklahoma, and iowa, three of the six states leading. something about those states, they're not blue states. if people in oil and gas states like texas and oklahoma are leading in the production of wind energy, that's where the future is. no one is saying we shouldn't have clean energy. i'm not saying that at all. i'm saying, let's continue to communicate with people about how these programs connect with their daily lives, with their future. the idea of clean water which republicans complaining about clean water and broad band, i can tell you that the way this resonates with people is because we've got kids sitting on school buses in rural america doing home work because they don't have broadband at home. the american people know there are billions of tons of sewage dumped in their waterway, and they want clean water coming out of their taps for children. these are winning arguments. i'm not saying they're not and i'm not saying we shouldn't be
ambitious, we should be. it's an ambitious plan but i think we also have to be mindful of how do we keep enough voters who are going to be very important not just in the 2022 midterms but also in the 2024 reelection. because it's really important for the future of this country, in my mind, that democrats keep their control on the levers of government. >> dr. el-sayed, what about alienating these centrist voters joel was talking about and also maybe along the way, the centrist politicians whose votes you're going to need to pass it? >> it's quite clear that joel has the talking points on what we need to do down, and i would argue that rather than telling us that we really shouldn't go that far, that we really should hold our horses lest some mythical middle voter is going to return to the trumpist republican party power, i think what we should be doing is hitting the stump talking about exactly how it is that both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the $3.5 trillion budget
reconciliation package not to the challenges that people have been facing for a long time. people elect they elect politicians to get things done and map the challenges in our lives. everything included in both packages was necessary. it is more necessary now. i think we have a responsibility to get out there and show folks how democrats are solving problems to continue to stay in power. i don't believe in a vision of politics to tell us what we can and cannot do. i believe we sit with folks and ask what needs to be done and do everything you need to get it done. that is what the administration is trying to do. i hate to put some mythical middle voter we haven't sat down and talked to in the way. >> this isn't about reading tea leaves and polls. i'm a pollster, but i was a pollster for president obama
when he pushed through obamacare which was a mixed bill at the time. it is far more popular today than it was when it passed. republicans are luearning that the hard way. don't overshoot the runway. we have things in the packages like free college, free community college which is essential for working class people. that gives them a step up on the ladder. these are ideas that make sense because they improve the lives of people in america. universal pre-k for children. wit we know that has an impact on children. i like your jibe at beginning, but i never lived in washington, d.c. my strength has been i come from outside. i come from a working class community in kwqueens. a burough in new york city.
democrats maintain the connection with the middle class americans. >> the beltway is worse off. >> anything is better than washington, gentlemen. thank you. it is a wonderful opportunity to have you together debating this. discussing this. it is an internal conversation within the party which is so important. joel and dr. el-sayed, thank you. >> thank you. up next, the billionaire battle now to get to the moon and jeff bezos beat out elon musk. and revolutions in the britney spears case. what her mother told the court about the pop star's father. priceline will partner with even more vegas hotels to turn their unsold rooms into amazing deals. delegates, how do you vote?
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vehicle. bezos lost to spacex founder elon musk in april. christian fisher joins us with the details. what's going on? >> we're talking $2 billion. a tremendous amount of money for nasa that could use more funding. we are talking about the lunar lander which will land american astronauts on the moon hopefully by 2024 as the nasa premier human space program. the problem is, they were not allocated enough money to grant two contracts. nasa surprised everybody in april by saying we'll give one contract and it is to the lowest bidder spacex at $2.9 billion. blue origin and the other losing company dyanetics filed a
protest. we are still waiting answer on that. jeff bezos tried to pass an amendment pass forcing nasa to select two companies for the lander. when it appeared that did not work, that is when jeff bezos wrote the open letter to the administrator bill nelson. he said he would put forward $2 billion of his own known get back into the competition. he also said this in case that was not enough. in the letter, he said if nasa has different ideas of getting back to true competition, now we are willing and ready to discuss them. he is putting everything on the table to get back in the game and be part of this artemis program. >> give me a price. tell me how much it will cost. you said 2024. >> i know. >> that isis awfully close. is that a real date to get americans back to the moon? >> the official word from nasa and the biden administration is yes. that is the goal. they believe they can do it.
if you talked to folks within the industry, they say it is unlikely that will happen. anytime you have a gao protest, that slows things down. the big picture? yes, this was started by the trump administration. it now has the full support of the biden administration and it is very difficult as you know for programs to make the jump successfully from one administration to the next. at least artemis has done that. we will see if the date sticks. >> i'll take the over. kristen, great to see you. everybody loves space. it is bipartisan. new twists in the free britney case. her attorneys asked to replace her father of the conservator of the shape. they called it a nightmare and toxic and no longer tenable.
a kafka-esque nightmare, chloe. >> reporter: the petition he filed yesterday. britney spears hired him a few weeks ago when the judge said you can go out and hire your own attorney. her's was court appointed. he wants to remove jamie spears, but hire jason rubin. why not file to terminate the conserv conservatorship? she wants the conservatorship to be over. maybe these are baby steps in that direction. this filing says the relationship is toxic with her father and a kafka-esque nightmare. her mother lists a bunch of reasons why she wants her ex-husband out of the picture. not only is it toxic, but claims
there was a physical altercation with jamie and one of britney spears's children. britney talked about the alleged altercation. her father broke down a door and shook one of her children. jamie has not commented. i reached out in the last few hours to get comment. he is not saying anything right now. she claims that britney spears was forced into a health treatment facility in 2019 against her will. if you google that, britney said i want to seek treatment for myself. she was forced and threatened with abuse and lastly. lyn spears claims she was treated by a sports enhancement doctor and given the wrong medication. would this be the same doctor that put britney on lithium? the next court hearing is september 29th. you better believe it will be
explosive. >> these are bombshell allegations. chloe, thank you. "new day" continues right now. >> announcer: this is cnn br breaking news. hello, i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman, a good morning to viewers in the united states and around the world. it is tuesday, july 27th. this is major breaking news. out of the olympics. gymnastics superstar simone biles dropped out of the team competition. the decision announced after stumbling during the vault. we have coy wire with the latest. coy, what do we know about what precipitated this decision? >> reporter: we have team members inside the ariake gymnastics center. saw her on the sidelines in a track suit with her foot in strapping. she was replaced by jordan chiles in the competition. nbc talked to her coach who said this i