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the pandemic of the unvaccinated surging tonight with cases, hospitalizations, and deaths rising. the v.a. is now mandating vaccines for frontline health workers. and we're just hours away from the first hearing of the january 6th select committee. four hero officers who defended the capitol will testify. and listen to this. this is from michael flynn, the trump ally who riled up a crowd less than 24 hours before the deadly insurrection and even called for martial law. now flynn in a church, no less, is given a semiautomatic rifle and jokes about taking it to washington, d.c. >> this is one of our top-quality guns and -- >> maybe i'll find somebody in washington, d.c. [ laughter ] >> i mean and people laughed and
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cheered. you know what? tell that to the brave police officers who are testifying tomorrow, those american heroes who risked their lives to defend lawmakers and the vice president on january 6th. tell them your funny joke about taking a washington and see if they laugh at it. i want to bring in now cnn white house correspondent john harwood and political commentator charlie dent. charlie dent is a former republican congressman. i appreciate you joining us. i mean -- whatever. hi. we're just hours away from the four officers who risked their lives defending the capitol on january 6th testifying under oath for the first time. what else can we expect tomorrow during the select committee's first hearing, john? >> don, i think we're going to see something that we haven't seen from hearings of this kind in a while, which is a serious-minded, thoughtful probe
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because nancy pelosi has managed to make a bipartisan committee by picking a couple of honest republicans who are serious about what happened on january 6th in liz cheney and adam kinzinger. and, you know, we're going to see something we didn't see, say, in the trump impeachment hearings. when you looked at what house republicans did then, they didn't care about getting to the truth. it was all air horns and fog machines trying to protect donald trump. and that is not going to be in that select committee hearing room. the republicans will be displaying their pathologies just like the one that you displayed in that clip of michael flynn. they're going to be displaying their pathologies outside of the hearing room. you've got the lunatic wing, gosar, marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz. they're going to be talking about people who have been prosecuted for committing acts of violence and lawlessness on january 6th as political prisoners. and then you get the lying wing
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of the republican party, which is most of the rest of it, trying to somehow blame this on nancy pelosi. and you saw kevin mccarthy today labeling liz cheney and adam kinzinger as pelosi republicans. when you're the leader of the republicans in the house and you say, oh, you see that honest republican over there? that's a pelosi republican. you're insulting yourself rather than insulting kinzinger, cheney, or nancy pelosi. >> very good point. charlie, congresswoman liz cheney expected to give an opening statement tomorrow. you say that pelosi should give cheney and kinzinger the time of five members, of the five members, so it looks more bipartisan. do you think there are enough people out there with open minds, you know, that this hearing is going to make a difference? >> well, don, i certainly hope so because what pelosi has done, she has turned this into a bipartisan proceeding. i thought initially that she made a mistake by removing the
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two, banks and jordan. then mccarthy made a mistake by removing the other three. but by appointing kinzinger in addition to cheney, i think there is an opportunity for the american people to hear from serious, thoughtful republicans. and if i were pelosi, i would defer to them as much as possible because they will make solid, rational arguments about what happened on january 6th. they will try to find facts and get answers to the big question. the big question being why did thousands of our fellow citizens think it was a good idea to violently assault the u.s. capitol and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power? so the more time kinzinger and cheney are out there speaking, i think that just adds to the credibility of the whole proceeding. >> let's hope she's watching or someone is going to tell her about it. listen, john, when i spoke to -- actually, i think it's not a bad idea. john, when i spoke to the president last week at cnn's town hall, he told me the infrastructure deal could get done today. clearly that did not happen, and you say this is about will, not
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terms. why is that? >> this is about whether those 11 republicans have the stomach to stand up and cut a deal with joe biden when they know that much of the republican party wants biden to fail, believes that if they pass this bipartisan infrastructure deal, it will lead to the passage of a larger spending deal, the reconciliation deal, $3.5 trillion that they really don't want. and so, you know, they struck this deal five weeks ago. they're haggling over small details. but when you get that close to a deal, it's about do you really want to do it? and that's what we're testing right now. there have been a variety of twists and turns. you've got laura ingraham, the fox anchor, saying last week, oh, these are useful idiots for the left. and that stings for a lot of those members, and we're going to find out, you know, they said
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they want this physical infrastructure deal. it's very popular with their constituents. roads, bridges, broadband, all of that. we're going to see whether they have the willingness to stand up to the political heat and do it. they haven't done it yet, but they haven't walked away either. >> i got one more question for you, john. president biden also confirming today that the u.s. is going to end the combat mission in iraq by the end of the year. but the white house -- it's not making it out like a mission-accomplished moment. i think we all remember that. what's going on? >> well, this is largely in reaction to iraqi politics because the iraqi government does not want to be seen as close to the united states. relations were inflamed when the trump administration took out general soleimani, the iranian general, and also an iraqi security official at the same time in a drone strike. and so the presence of those 2,500 american troops as combat
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forces in iraq became untenable. the question is are they really leaving? u.s. officials, when they were briefing reporters at the end of last week, wouldn't say how many of the 2,500 are actually going to leave as opposed to being relabeled as advisers rather than combat troops. so this seems to be a significant amount of p.r., but it's fraught because it comes at a time, as you know, don, when president biden has committed to removing troops from afghanistan. conditions are getting worse with the taliban making headway. so there are certainly downsides to withdrawal. this is a less stark case, but we of course saw president obama. he pulled out troops in 2011, had to send them back because of the rise of isis. so this is president biden responding to iraqi politics in a way that's consistent with his own politics. >> charlie, i need to talk to you about the pandemic. the unvaccinated putting this whole country at risk. how can the white house convince
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these people to get vaccinated with so many on the right still pushing dangerous misinformation? >> i think the most important thing they can do right now is take the unvaccinated people who have come out of the hospital with these near-death experiences, who have had a conversion, a death bed conversion. let them speak to the unvaccinated about why it's important that we all get vaccinated, you know, to protect not just ourselves but or friends and in this case our unvaccinated friends and family. and keep pounding the point home that all these people are in the hospital. nearly 100% of them are unvaccinated. this is just insane. take these powerful voices of people who have just come out of the hospital, near death. let them speak to the unvaccinated. if the unvaccinated don't listen to them, i don't know who they'll listen to. >> we just had one at the top of the 10:00 hour, a couple. thank you, gentlemen. i appreciate it. i want to talk more about the surge in the coronavirus cases among the unvaccinated.
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i appreciate you joining us, tom. here's the big news today. the v.a. will now mandate vaccines for its health care workers. new york city is now ordering all city employees to be vaccinated or face weekly testing. california says all state employees and health care workers must get their shot. is this what the rest of the country should be doing? >> i think -- well, i'm in favor of more vaccination mandates, particularly in settings where you have health care settings where people are patient-facing. i think the v.a. policy was sensibly done. it does offer due process. it does take into account as part of that due process medical reasons. as you mentioned, a number of other hospital and health care
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systems have done the same. i think it's favorable. i think we need to look at other settings like increasing what we see at universities or among federal and state employees. i do think it will be helpful when the fda finally approves this vaccine for it to occur among more private employers as well. >> it is july 26th, and the white house still hasn't reached its july 4th goal of getting 70% of americans with at least one shot. do you think we'll remain stuck and this turns into another major crisis, or are we already there? >> we're already there. i'm going to be honest with you, don. i think we're looking at a hard few weeks or months ahead of us. the dominant strain now, this delta variant, is at least twice as infectious as the original strain. it's finding pockets of the undervaccinated.
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we are seeing substantial increases nationwide. of course we're at more than 50,000 per day. that's up 50% from last week. but the hot spots are really in these, again, pockets of undervaccinated populations. florida now has the highest weekly death rates among all 50 states. it has under the average of vaccinated individuals. arkansas and louisiana now have the highest rate per 100,000 of infections. they are in the bottom ten of vaccinated states in this country. as long as these pockets of undervaccinated people exist, we're going to see these surges, and i'm afraid that's what we're looking at in the next few weeks. >> my family is in louisiana. every day on our family text chain, i send them the story from louisiana because i want them to be safe. it's unbelievable. it seems like we're hearing about more vaccinated people contracting the virus although the majority have few symptoms. does this mean vaccinated people need to bring back some of their
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old routines like skipping crowds, masking up inside? >> i think if you're in a setting where you are not certain the populations around you are vaccinated, i think it can be sensible, particularly if you are immunocompromised or an older individual. it's sensible to wear a mask in those settings. in terms of more formal mask mandates, i think they're important tools for preventing infection. we do need to be very careful on how they are applied. they can discourage the unvaccinated from getting vaccinated if they don't see the benefits. my worry is that we're no longer producing the data that can help local public health officials make these decisions. florida, as we mentioned before, has one-fifth of the covid cases nationally, and they've stopped reporting their testing data. they've stopped breaking down data by county for deaths and
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infection, and that's really preventing our ability to have target applications of these mask mandates that we had before to protect populations. we need to have that data for that to occur. >> let me just restate what you said and ask you a question at the end because you've been talking about the cases being up across the map. but in florida and arkansas, every single county is now listed as having high levels of community transmission. that's according to cdc data. now, some florida hospitals are reporting more covid patients now than at any other point during the pandemic. how risky is it right now to be in or travel to these states, tom, particularly if you're unvaccinated or have unvaccinated people in your household? >> it's risky. we really are expecting, you know, the forecasts out to 12 weeks for states like florida or louisiana, arkansas -- >> 12 weeks?
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>> out to 12 weeks, yes. >> wow. >> and we need to take this seriously. you know, your guest before had some sensible ideas for promoting vaccination. anyone watching, if you haven't gotten vaccinated yet, it's really time to be more serious about moving forward with that decision. >> tom, bollyky, thank you. >> my pleasure. as i mentioned, more cities are reinstating mask mandates for everyone whether you're vaccinated or not. savannah, georgia, made that change just today. joining me now is savannah's mayor, van johnson. thank you. i appreciate it. this is an important conversation we're going to have. >> absolutely. thank you. >> you're requiring masks in all government facilities as well as savannah city schools and early childhood centers. was this a tough choice for you? >> it was a tough choice, but it was a necessary choice.
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don, our community transmission index has tripled. on july the 12th, we were at 84. today we're at 289. our percentage of positive tests have gone up from 5.7 on july the 2nd to 12.2 on july 23rd. our seven day rolling average has increased from 8.3 on june 8th to 80 now. our vaccination rates are still very low, 42%. we have 40 folks in our hospitals here where a couple of weeks ago we had no one. so obviously we have to do something. >> yeah. we've seen how controversial mask mandates have become. the thing is, is that, you know, police officers or people say, how do you enforce that? my thing is how do you plan to enforce this because to say you have a mandate and then don't do anything about it really means nothing. >> absolutely. but in every way we can. it's unfortunate that the minority has to suffer because
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of the inactions of the majority. there are some people and certainly savannah is known for its tourism. we have been exploding lately from people visiting our beautiful city. but if we have a mask mandate, we believe that a lot of people will follow it because we have a mask mandate. other people will do it because they recognize it's necessary. and then for those who choose not to comply, then obviously we have to have penalties that associate with that. >> this mandate, it does not apply to private businesses or institutions, but you're strongly encouraging owners to require everyone to mask up. have you got any pushback from local businesses or citizens? >> well, you get some. i mean the fact is this is not a political issue. it should not be a political issue. this is an issue of public health and public safety. today i had some of savannah's finest medical and epidemiologists with me talking about the necessity of this moment, that we are quickly spiking up. and if we don't want to go back
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to where we were, times when our businesses were closed and we were socially distanced and we could not be around each other, then it's necessary for us to do the necessary thing, although uncomfortable and although maybe inconvenient, to simply wear a mask and get vaccinated. we have prayed for this wave to get past us, and we have been blessed with a way to get past it named pfizer, moderna, and johnson & johnson, and folks need to take advantage of that opportunity. >> and your name is van johnson, no relation. listen, mayor, just to restate some of the numbers again because you gave us a lot of stats. but cases are spiking in your state, likely because the vaccination rate is just under 40%. you mentioned that earlier. do you feel anything more can be done to talk unvaccinated georgians into getting their shots? >> well, i think it has to come from the top obviously.
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we have to make it a priority. southern states have not done as well. savannah is at 41% with both shots. >> what's going on with y'all? >> we have to prioritize the right thing. we have to prioritize the health and safety of our folks. as far as i'm concerned, if i have to knock on every door and personally ask them to get the vaccine, i'm willing to do it. we cannot -- we will not allow covid to win here in savannah, georgia. >> listen, the thing is too, you know, obviously we want everyone to be healthy and safe. but you said your economy was just starting to recover. people are coming. they're visiting, and now you have to revert back to the mask-wearing, and we'll see what happens with your businesses. but you want to get things back open, get the shot. mayor. >> simple. simple as that. >> thank you, sir. keep us updated. we wish you luck. >> thank you, sir. so we've got the story tonight on what happened when
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fox host tucker carlson was confronted in a montana fishing shop by a man who said this. >> you are one of the worst human human beings known to man. >> so fox news calling it totally inexcusable for carlson to be accosted while in a store with his family. so did this confrontation go too far? we'll discuss next. it's a simple fact: it even kills the covid-19 virus. science supports these simple facts. there's only one true lysol. lysol. what it takes to protect.
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one. fox propaganda host tucker carlson confronted in a montana fishing shop, called the worst human being known to man. the man posting his confrontation with the tv host. watch what happened. >> you are the worst human being known to man. >> okay. so fox news reacting in a statement saying ambushing tucker carlson while he is in a store with his family is totally inexcusable. no public figure should be accosted regardless of their
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political persuasion or beliefs simply due to the intolerance of another point of view. the store where it happened is called dan bailey's outdoor company. it issued a public statement saying even though they have the same name, they share no affiliation with dan bailey in the video. again, it was just a coincidence that it's the same name and that they treat every customer equally and respectfully. let's discuss now. let me tell you this. i don't like it. i don't like it when people do that because i would not want it to happen to me. but i have mixed emotions because tucker has done this to people before. tucker said some really nasty and silly things about me, and the next day there are paparazzi in front of my house, hiding, taking pictures. so i don't want it to happen to anyone. i don't want it to happen to tucker. but when you do things like that, i don't know. i'm just saying that's the real deal. that's how i feel about it.
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ana, listen, all of us, we're all on tv. we've been approached. we hear good things. we hear bad things from people. we don't even know who they are. it's part of the gig. don't you think this went a little too far, though? >> um, you know, i actually thought the guy who confronted him was quite polite, was not shouting, was not violent, was not aggressive in any way. he expressed his opinion in the same way that tucker carlson expresses his opinion on a nightly basis on a much larger platform. listen, don, i've seen videos like this about chris cuomo when his kids are in tow. this has happened to me. it happened to me at a fresh market in coconut grove in miami. there was this lady stalking me. i thought she wanted a selfie. no. she wanted to insult me for not loving trump. >> i don't think that should happen to you.
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i don't think it should happen to chris or me or scott. >> don, i also don't think there should be hurricanes or there should be covid. but crap happens, okay? we get well remunerated for giving our opinion, and that comes with good, and that comes with bad. so put on your big boy pants or your big girl pants and get on with life. and, look, when it comes to tucker kafrcarlson, it's not ju about infrastructure or immigration or you name it. it's about covid, and it's about life and death. and i think people are very raw and emotional and angry about that in particular. so i think that with the platform we all have -- scott, you, all of us, tucker -- comes the benefit of some people liking what we say and some people not liking what we say. and in the same way i have a first amendment right, they have
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a first amendment right. deal with it. >> yeah, but your first amendment right doesn't mean invading my personal space. i'm sorry, ana. i understand what you're saying, and i get it. i think that what tucker says much of the time is completely reprehensible and divorced from reality. but he has a right to be in a space and not be accosted and not be ambushed by anyone. you can yell at -- people yell all the time at me. i was in cincinnati. there were trump supporters out there yelling across whatever. they weren't in my face. so if you want to stand across the street and do it, fine. >> there was one person who made contact there. it was tucker carlson with a guy. >> yeah. >> the guy never touched tucker carlson. the guy never got close to tucker carlson. >> i hear you. >> he gave tucker carlson his opinion about what he said, and it is what we have to deal with for giving our opinion. >> i hear you. >> every night. >> tucker has told people if you see someone that makes a kid wear and mask, you should call
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the cops for abuse. i guess it. okay. scott -- >> you know, if you're going to dish it, you should be able to talk it. >> scott, what's your take on this? >> i agree it was an ambush. i thought tucker handled it fine. he's been approached before, and he usually finds a way to defuse it and laugh it off. i thought the guy actually looked pretty aggressive. he got right in his face. he was right up chest to chest with him. he looked like he was trying to move with tucker as tucker was trying to get away. i have the similar reaction to you, don. i don't want it to happen to tucker carlson because i don't want it to happen to you. let's be honest. you by the president of the united states have been personally singled out. people at cnn have been personally singled out. you know there's a whole group of folks out there who would love to get in the face or worse of someone here and there's a whole group of folks out there who would love to get in the face or worse of someone at fox news or msnbc or anywhere else. so i was really uncomfortable
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with this and candidly, i think to even try to rationalize it, to laugh it off or to say, hey, put on your big boy pants, to me, is to condone it. if you want to condone a confrontation like this, i think you're inviting the next one. the next one may not have the same physical rerestraint. don, you've met people out there who i'm sure look like they would love to commit violence. i think when you encourage these kinds of confrontations or condone it, you know, the next one may not be so friendly, and people may lay hands on each other. that makes me extremely uncomfortable. i don't mind this guy's views. he's welcome to have them. but in a space like that that tucker's daughter was there in a small store, it made me uncomfortable. >> my response is always, thank you. thank you for watching. thank you so much. i appreciate it. thank you, thank you, even if they say the worst things about me because really i just want to defuse it and i want them to go away. listen, again, i know people have the right. i'm on tv. i give my point of view, and i
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say my take all the time. so i understand it's going to happen. but do i like it? no. ana, go on. respond. what do you want to say? >> i mean there's a lot of things in life i don't like, don, but that happen and that come with the territory. i'm not condoning it. i'm not encouraging it. i'm saying that in the same way that tucker carlson spews out hatred every night and racism every night and anti-covid rhetoric every night, which has put lives at risk, this guy in this fish store, whatever the hell it was, has a right to his opinion. and so i can't say one's right is greater than the other. and, again, i have actually seen video of this exact same thing happen to chris cuomo while one of his daughters was in tow. and is it uncomfortable? is it awkward? is it unpleasant? is it horrible?
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all of those things, yes. but when we take on the job of going on tv and spewing our opinions, we should know that that comes with a consequence of other people approaching us and spewing their opinions. and as long as there is no violence -- and this man was not violent. as long as there is no violence, i think they have exactly their opinion -- the right to their opinion. >> ana, there's a difference between saying your opinion -- there's a difference between -- hang on. ana, there's a difference between saying your opinion -- >> i think tucker carlson is one of the worst people known to man and women. so i think he was a little -- a little less than what i would have said. >> listen, i'm not saying what the guy said was right or wrong. there's a difference between stating your opinion and standing and intimidating someone and blocking them. people stop me all the time and
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give me their opinions, and sometimes i don't like it. but you know when someone is being aggressive. you know when they are in your personal space. of course that comes with the territory. i was in the whole foods the other day. this guy says, look, i watch you all the time. i don't agree with you. let me tell you what i don't agree with you about. we stood there and had a conversation. that is not what happened in that video. and, look, i know it comes with the territory, but you know the difference between someone being aggressive and blocking you from walking or moving or not letting you get your point across. there is a difference in someone respectfully saying, i don't agree with you and let me tell you why, do you have a second? but i don't think that we should be encouraging this. it shouldn't happen to chris. >> who the hell is encouraging it, don? >> it shouldn't happen to tucker carlson as well. >> okay. where was tucker carlson when donald trump was saying you are
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the enemy of the people. who the hell is encouraging this? but they encouraged trump saying the media and the press was the enemy of the people and shouting horrible things about cnn and other outlets. >> and we called them out for that. but you don't want to become them. you don't want to become them. you don't want to become that. >> no, i don't. >> yeah. >> but i also don't want to forgive them or forget the stuff they've done for four years. and i also want to acknowledge why people are angry. listen, they've been spewing out crap about covid and anti-fauci stuff and anti-vaccine stuff, and people are dying. >> that doesn't mean that you have to intimidate people in public. that doesn't mean you have to get in people's face in public. >> okay. then -- >> don't watch tucker carlson. don't watch him. her signal broke up.
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>> don -- >> i got to run, guys. thank you, scott. >> it's a rare night, don, when you get to speak for me. this is amazing. >> listen, i need to say this. we tried to reach dan bailey to come on and comment, but we didn't hear back from him. it doesn't mean i agree or disagree with anything he said, but no one should have that treatment in public, even tucker carlson. we'll be right back. not touching is still touching protection. adding lysol laundry sanitizer kills 99.9% of bacteria. detergent alone, can't. lysol. what it takes to protect. hey, i just got a text from my sister. you remember rick, her neighbor? sure, he's the 76-year-old guy who still runs marathons, right? sadly, not anymore. wow. so sudden. um, we're not about to have the "we need life insurance" conversation again, are we?
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a semiautomatic rifle against somebody in washington, d.c. the comments have been viewed over a million times and they're just the latest inflammatory chapter in flynn's history. cnn's alex marquardt has more on the story. >> that's awesome. >> reporter: it was in a church that the latest disturbing turn in the michael flynn story came. >> we were trying to come up with a rifle that we thought was appropriate for a general. so we went with an old-school woodland camouflage. >> reporter: in yuba city, california, after flynn was gifted a semiautomatic rifle, he said this. >> maybe i'll find somebody in washington, d.c. [ laughter ] >> reporter: laughs onstage and in the crowd in this clip of the event that surfaced as the retired general jokes about using the gun against someone in the nation's capital. that same capital earlier this year saw the violent insurrection by supporters of donald trump, whom flynn spoke to the night before the riots, spouting lies about a stolen election. >> and the entire world knows.
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everybody in this country knows who won the election on the 3rd. who won the election on the 3rd? donald trump. >> reporter: flynn riling up the crowd less than 24 hours before the assault on the capitol building. >> tomorrow, we the people are going to be here and we want you to know we will not stand for a lie. >> reporter: flynn was trump's first national security adviser and pleaded guilty for lying to the fbi before being pardoned by trump. weeks before january 6th, he called for martial law to use the military to overturn legitimate election results. >> he could order the -- within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities and he could place them in those states and basically rerun an election in each of those states. >> reporter: he has embraced the -- selling qanon merchandise and taping himself with a group
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reciting the movement's catch phrase. >> where we go one, we go all. >> reporter: a few months ago, he attended a qanon conference and said there was no reason a military coup couldn't happen in the u.s. like the violent and deadly one unfolding in myanmar. >> i want to know why what happened in minnamar can't happen here. >> no reason. i mean it should happen. >> reporter: a furious backlash followed and flynn claimed he wasn't calling for a coup. >> michael flynn! >> reporter: but it was clear he believed the big lie. >> trump won. [ cheers and applause ] he won. where retried to reach flynn about these latest troubling comments but we were unable to. after what he had said about the myanmar-style coup happening here in the united states, the pentagon said they would not be investigating him, but they are reviewing whether he had approval for money he's received after retiring from turkish and russian entities with ties to
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