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req good evening. tomorrow, a house select committee begins investigating the worst attack on american democracy by americans since the civil war and this is not just a look back to the 6th of january. experts in how democracies die, have told us on this program, they consider what we saw that day, nearly one man fesstation of an ongoing threat. amplifies to root out the facts of what happened on january 6th and why. what led up to it? what the implications might be for the future of a democracy, that's still under considerable strain. congressman adam schiff, who every serves on the committee, and joins us shortly, says tomorrow's opening session will be fairly limited. one round of questioning and never-before-seen video showing what it was like to be a police officer facing the mob. it was no love fest issue as the former president continues to say. not something akin to tourism, as one georgia republican
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congressman claimed. this weekend, as you may have heard, house speaker pelosi fl named illinois republican, adam kinzinger, to the committee. accepted and today kevin mccarthy had this to say about it. >> you know, some republicans have been saying that the g -- the gop should play ball with this committee. >> really? who is that? who is that? adam and liz? aren't they kind of, like, pelosi republicans? >> well, pelosi republicans. it's a new spin on the conventional label, which has been to refer to them and a few others as anti-trump republicans. which, cnn political commentator and conservative amanda carpenter says, really, short changes their motivations. she tweeted about congressman kinzinger, why is he being described as an anti-trump republican? he is a pro-democracy republican, who rightly is disgusted by what happened on j. 6. it's about principles, not people. as for what it means to be a mccarthy republican? well, it seems that it means, at least initially, seeing their insurrection for exactly what it
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was. and acknowledging exactly who was responsible, when the mob was at his door. then, it means maintaining that crystal clarity about an event that may well be taught in schools a century from now for precisely one-whole week. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have, immediately, denounced the mob, when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. >> well, that's just what a mccarthy republican says until, of course, he realizes that the former president's base is standing by him. and then, that's when a mccarthy republican shows that what he really cares about is maintaining his own power. forget about principles. so, he quickly backtracks and shows fealty to the former president, and then opposes a 9/11-style independent bipartisan commission because, in part, as the headline reads, it would not study political violence by the left. in other words, that it would not be a venue for changing the subject. and this is a panel, as you
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know, that would have given democrats and republicans an equal number of members, and was organized, almost identically, to the 9/11 commission. not only that, the contours of it were hammered out in bipartisan talks, just days before congressman mccarthy pulled the rug out from under it. reportedly, fearing how it might harm gop chances in the 2022 midterm elections, which, of course, means harming his chances of becoming speaker. that's what being a mccarthy republican has come to mean. it also means opposing this current-select committee, which only exists because of his opposition to the bipartisan one. being a mccarthy republican means naming election deniers to it, then pulling out entirely when speaker pelosi vetoes two of his five picks. now, it means snarking about the two republicans, whom she, herself, invited to join the panel. one of whom, congresswoman cheney, he's already stripped of her party leadership role. and if you are thinking this is all pretty cynical for a guy who was as clear eyed about facts as he was, at least when a violent
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mob was literally at his door, well, he comes by his sinsym honestly. after all, he learned long ago how to be a mccarthy republican. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi-special committee. a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. >> not about what they found out about benghazi or didn't find out. it's about her numbers. making them drop. joining us, now, congressman adam schiff. member of the select committee and chairman of the house intelligence committee. so, chairman schiff, this house gop resolution that failed tonight, which demanded speaker pelosi seat mccarthy's picks for the committee. is this anything other than just, you know, gamesmanship by kevin mccarthy? >> no, that's all it is and i think you summed up, both, mccarthy and the -- the lack of any dedication to principle, ideology, anything but maintenance of his position. this is just more of the same
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effort at distraction. um, and i think you also made a very important point, at the outset, which is at the end of the day, what this insurrection was about was about a large group of people unwilling to accept the results of a democratic election and willing to use violence to have their way. and that is a very dangerous sign that our democracy is on thin ice. and one of the things that i hope that we will shed light on is how our country got to this point, as well as how we got to january 6th. but what we need to do, going forward, to put our democracy on more solid ground. >> house republicans have their own plans to try to counter the narrative of the hearing tomorrow. we learned today that matt gaetz, marjorie taylor greene, louie gohmert, paul gosar, all the bright lights of the republican party, plan to hold a press conference, quote, demanding answers from attorney general merrick garland on the status of january 6th prisoners and related investigations. end quote. they are calling
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insurrectionists, who violently stormed the capitol january 6th prisoners. as though they're sort of pows, in some way. the fact that they are doing this on the day that police officers are testifying about how they feared for their lives. you know, louie gohmert claims to be a law-and-order person. i mean, he is from texas. it's -- this is what the republican party has come to. >> it is what the republican party has come to. it's not a party of ideas. it's a cult around the person of the former president. and look. if they choose to do that and we fully suspected they might choose some distraction tomorrow. it will only sharpen the contrast between the democrats and the republicans on the select committee. and their genuine desire to get to the truth and the facts. and this clown show that has become the gop, wedded to this -- this grifter in the form of the former president. >> is there anything new, really, to learn, though, about january 6th? i mean, that he is one of the
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criticisms of, you know, of having this select committee. they say it's really just to -- to, you know, keep this in the news. and bash the former president. but what more do you hope to learn from this? >> well, really, just about everything more. there's so, very little that we really know about that date. we don't know what the quality of the intelligence was, before that date. we don't know how well it was shared or not shared. we don't know why it wasn't acted upon or if it was acted upon. we don't know why it took so long to call in the national guard. we don't know what the white house administration knew about the participation of these white nationalist groups. we don't know what degree these white-nationalists essentially coordinated with each other. we don't know what their object was, in terms of violence against particular members. we, certainly, know that they intended to do harm against the speaker, against mike pence. um, but we, also, don't know what plans they have, in the future. so, all of these questions, and many more, we hope to shed light on. we hope to learn, in depth,
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about. create a comprehensive report. and most important, make recommendations for the future. >> just looking at the hearing tomorrow, can you explain how it's going to be formatted? >> yes. we'll have opening statements by the chair, bennie thompson. and then, by liz cheney, so that she can articulate the view of a great-many republicans, who are also interested in getting to the truth. and then, we will proceed with the witness testimony. and then, we'll have member questions, which will probably last five to ten minutes, a piece. probably, closer to ten minutes. and those will -- the questions will be interspersed with video. some, that has been seen, before. some that has not been seen, before. but most importantly, these police officers who were on the front lienes, who were beaten, who were sprayed with bear spray, who continue to suffer injuries, some who came close to dying that day, will be able to help tell us what happened and
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also give content to these video images many people have seen but don't really understand what was going on. >> it is remarkable, when you think about 9/11 and the horrific attack on america and american democracy, that day. um, and the -- the -- the amount of investigation. the amount of attention, bipartisan, that was rightfully paid to it. it is -- just when you step back, and try to kind of remove the politics from it. just on a purely historic and national-security basis, it is kind of stunning that we're in this position where it's, now, a politicized -- it's seen through the lens of politics if you want to know more about what actually happened. >> well, that's exactly right and of course you could have made the same point after 9/11. do we really need an investigation? don't we know al qaeda attacked us and they used aircraft? what more is there to learn?
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of course, there was a lot more to learn about why -- why this happened and why we weren't able to stop it and what future threat was posed by al qaeda. and what reforms and changes we needed to make to our intelligence collection and collaboration among agencies. and we approached that task in a bipartisan way. now, then, like now, there was some initial opposition of the bush administration. they thought the commission might report negatively on how they didn't stop 9/11 from happening. but there were enough people of good will, in both parties, to overcome that. and come up with a bipartisan product. but that republican party, that was willing to do that in 2001 and 2002, is not donald trump's republican party. it had kevin mccarthy been the leader then, there would have been no 9/11 commission. there would have been, you know, an effort to persuade the country that, what, it didn't happen, or it's overblown. or who knows what the explanation would have been. >> well, also, the former president bush did not address
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the hijackers, ahead of the -- the attack on 9/11. i mean, the -- the -- you know, none of this would have happened, were it not for the former president of the united states. i mean, that is an event, unique, in american history. >> well, that's true. and -- and more than that, it wouldn't have happened without the weeks and weeks of preparation before january 6th. all of the propagation of the big lie about the election that made this such fertile ground. and the -- you know, the admonition from the president and the amplification that he got on, you know, the right-wing media. that, all, was a component of this. and a lot more. but that -- that amount that we don't know is what we hope to reveal. what was the role of these right-wing white-nationalist groups? how much foreknowledge was there in the administration that they would be there, intent on doing violence? these are questions that need to be answered. >> chairman schiff, i appreciate your time.
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breaking news tonight on covid and the delta variant's impact. new york city's mayor today announcing all city workers, client uding firefighters and police officers, to either get vaccinated or be tested once a week. california's governor taking nearly identical action, today, ordering all state workers and healthcare workers in the state to do the same starting august 2nd. also, today, moderna said it will expand the size of its vaccine trial in younger children, with the expectation of seeking emergency-use authorization by late, this year, or early 2022. which feels like a lifetime away, given how rapidly delta is
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spreading. the seven day rolling average of new cases topping 55,000, today. it was just under 12,000, a month ago. a lot to talk about tonight with dr. thomas friedman, former director of the cdc. dr. frieden, appreciate you being with us tonight. so in addition to the mandates in new york city and california, department of veteran affairs is requiring healthcare workers to be vaccinated. it is the first department of the federal government to do so. do you think those are good solutions for those that are vaccine hesitant? get vaccinated or get tested weekly? >> anderson, the case in healthcare workers and nursing-home workers is very clear. if you have a relative living in a nursing home, and a staff member isn't vaccinated. that could result in the death of your relative. so, for the safety of our patients, for the safety of co-workers, vaccinating all healthcare workers makes a lot of sense. >> why not make it actually mandatory, then? why not, not give people an out of, well, or you get tested once a week. which doesn't, frankly, seem to
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be -- i mean, you can go for days and being positive and spreading the virus. >> now, testing once a week, i think, is, to be frank, probably a way of encouraging people to get vaccinated. >> um, would you -- i mean, employers can choose to enforce a vaccination policy on all their employees, can't they? >> if you're an employer, you have to say, hey, if there is spread of covid at the workplace. and i haven't done this. is there some ethical or legal liability if my customers get sick, is that a problem? if i vaccinate everyone, if i can encourage or mandate everyone to get vaccinated, will that be a comparative advantage? will people be more interested in coming to my business, knowing that everyone there is vaccinated? the bottom line, anderson, is that these vaccines are remarkably effective and extremely safe. and the more of us, who take them, the safer we'll be. we are heading into a rough
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time. it's likely, if our trajectory is similar to that in the united kingdom, that we could see as many as 200,000 cases, a day, four times our current rate, within another four-to-six weeks. and although we won't see the horrific-death tolls, that we saw last spring, because 80% of people over the -- over the age of 65 are vaccinated. you will see a steady increase in deaths. and these are preventable deaths. >> wait a minute. you think it's possible that there -- i mean, right now, it's -- some 50,000. you think it could go up to 200,000 cases a day in four-to-six weeks? >> if our pattern follows what the united kingdom pattern was. on the one hand, they opened up a little bit more vociferously than we did. on the other hand, they have had more vaccination than we have had. what you see is the delta variant is so infectious that, essentially, it finds the unvaccinated. whether that's younger people, who are vaccinated in much lower numbers but are susceptible,
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still, to serious illness and long covid. or people who are holder, who haven't gotten vaccinated, yet. you will also see, predictably, more breakthrough infections. but most of those are going to be mild. a few will be serious. tragically, a few of those will end in death. but for every one that ends in death, in the coming weeks, there would have been hundreds that ends in deaths, if there hadn't been vaccinations. >> you know, i interviewed a lot of people who have long covid and it is -- it has been devastating, for them. they, all, every one that i have interviewed, has actually had a mild -- what they considered or were told was a mild case of covid, when they actually had covid. it was afterward, that the real horror of -- of long covid took over their lives. even young people are susceptible to long covid, correct? >> absolutely. and, anderson, my group to save lives polled and found that,
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when people who are vaccine hesitant see the real-life stories of people living with long covid, they are much more willing to get vaccinated. >> dr. frieden, i appreciate it tonight. thank you. closer look, now, at florida, which over the past week has accounted for nearly a quarter of all cases in the country. that's more than any other state. new cases there are now averaging more than 10,000 a day. they have tripled in the last two weeks. randi kaye reports tonight on what she saw at a major hospital in jacksonville, that's struggling just to keep up. >> the increase started happening so quickly and it's multiplying so fast, every single day. you can't open -- enough to meet the demands. >> reporter: we met chief nursing officer, tammy daniel, in jacksonville's baptist medical center. on one of the hospital's covid floors. where those battling covid are kept in special rooms, reserved for patients with infectious diseases. baptist is now treating 389 covid patients. that's an increase of about 11%, from last week.
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83 of the patients are in the icu and on ventilators. fighting to survive. baptist says more than 99% of the infected patients here are not vaccinated. and dr. michelle akino says, those getting really sick are younger, too. >> i've admitted perfectly healthy 19-year-old woman. okay? a perfectly healthy 25-year-old. so you are seeing these healthy people, that are walking around saying i don't need a vaccine. i'm fine. if i get covid, i'll be fine and that's not true. for the delta variant, we are really seeing that is not true. >> reporter: about 44% of the covid patients here are under the age of 50, according to the hospital. >> our average age, right now, is at the 50-year-old mark. we've seen patients infected with serious respiratory problems as young as in their 30s. >> reporter: and once patients are seriously ill, it's too late to get the vaccine until they recover. but that hasn't stopped many from begging for it. >> getting ready to intubate the patient in icu which means putting them on a ventilator and
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they said if i get the vaccine now, could i not go on the ventilator? so i mean, they are begging for it. they are desperate because they are gasping for air. they can't breathe. they are scared. they feel like they're going to pass away. >> reporter: in room 434, we find francisca, who tells me who are whole family has covid. none of them get got the vaccine. >> yeah. i have shortness of breath. i feel sorry about not getting a vaccine. >> you're sorry -- you're sorry you didn't get the vaccine? do you -- do you think you would be here, if you had gotten the vaccine? >> no. >> reporter: down the hall, this patient is, also, unvaccinated. you were more concerned about the vaccine than the disease. and now, you say you regret it. >> exactly. that's right. >> and you wish you had gotten the vaccine. >> yes. >> you probably wouldn't be here. >> yes, exactly. >> reporter: same story for marco.
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he's 49, unvaccinated, and full of regret about not making the vaccine a priority when his doctor offered it. so you are going to get the vaccine, now? >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: frustration is high, among staff here, since they know it doesn't have to be this way. have you lost patients? >> yes, we've all lost patients here in the last two weeks. when you see someone who's 39, otherwise healthy, didn't get vaccinated, for whatever reason. usually, not a great reason, to be honest. and then, they come in here and they die from complications of covid. >> to see and as you said, it didn't have to be this way. how many new-covid cases about covid-positive patients are they getting a day? >> dozens, anderson. it's really just a terrible situation. just yesterday, which was the last day that we have a full count for, the hospital received 63 covid-positive patients. and of that group, of those who were eligible to get the vaccine, not a single one had gotten the shot.
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so it's really the unvaccinated who we hear, over and over, again, are ending up in the hospital. but also, at this hospital, they are very concerned about children because, as you know, children 12 and under can't get the vaccine, yet. and right now, they have 11 children under the age of 12 who are positive with covid. and one of them is seriously ill in the icu. so, they're very concerned about these children. but overall, anderson, across this hospital system, the patients are younger. they're sicker. and they're staying in the hospital longer, on an average of eight days or more. whereas, the first surge here in the state of florida, they were being released before that eight-day mark. so a lot of concern here, at that hospital and across the state, anderson. >> wait a minute. you said they have had 11 children. you mean visit the icu? visit the emergency room? or they have had 11 children actually in the hospital? hospitalized? >> 11 children in the hospital with covid. >> is that total? or is that right now? that's right now there is 11? >> that's right now. >> wow. >> that is right now. uh-huh. >> wow. and ones in the icu. wow. randi kaye, i appreciate it. thank you.
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the former president, once again, invoked the big lie during a speech in arizona over the weekend, where to the surprise of really nobody, he came out forcefully behind that sham audit of millions of votes
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cast in and around phoenix during the last election. but science was, also, under attack during the event, even though he did manage to make a somewhat guarded endorsement of the covid vaccine. which is, certainly, helpful, to some degree. cnn's kyung lah has the story. >> reporter: wrapping around the 5,000-seat theater in phoenix, arizona, a long line of donald trump's faithful. >> no mask, take off the masks. >> reporter: just 36% of the people in this county are vaccinated. case rates have more than doubled, in the past two weeks. fueled by the more-contagious delta variant. step inside with us, at this indoor rally. we find data and reason is absent. but every seat is full. no social distancing or masks. as this crowd chants and sings
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for hours, this rally is to support the lie that trump won arizona and the 2020 election. but it's, also, about this. >> no one should be forced to take a vaccine, against their will. >> reporter: far-right politics is king here. science, the villain. >> it came from a laboratory and dr. fauci should be in prison for what he did over the last year. >> reporter: 2022 arizona republican candidates feed off ignorance. >> mothers don't let them mask our children, again. >> reporter: they're all here for the headliner. >> ladies and gentlemen, please, welcome the 45th president of the united states of america, donald j. trump! >> how about the vaccine? i came up with the vaccine. i recommend you take it but i, also, believe in your freedoms, 100%.
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>> reporter: what do you think of that behavior? >> extremely dangerous. and maybe, it's not politically correct to say, it's stupid. dangerous and stupid. >> reporter: this doctor is an emergency-room physician in phoenix, and has been on the front lines of the covid battle since it began. what do you anticipate is going to be the impact of this? >> of the rally? oh, i mean, there is definitely going to be increase in cases. i mean, there is no way with the delta variant, there aren't people in there who already have the coronavirus. this behavior, regardless of what variant is around, is a cesspool for creating variants. >> reporter: how frustrating is this type of thing for you? >> if you make a dumb decision about your own health. on one level, you can say, well, it's your life. but when it's infectious disease that's this contagious and affects so many people, you are not just affecting yourself. you're affecting everybody around you. >> kyung lah joins us from
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scottsdale. in recent days, there's been a shift among conservative voices urging vaccinations. um, did you see any response to that, this weekend? >> not in this crowd. it is so baked in. it is so part of the dna of the political conversation, now, that it's -- it's really nulled. i mean, that's the answer. when -- when you talk to them, the people in this particular crowd really view not having a mask, not having a vaccine, as, somehow, making you more patriotic and that's a real danger here, says the doctor, when we were also showing him this video. he says, because this is such a strong mindset and a lot of the people there, who were not wearing masks, he says, some of them are elderly. some of them are overweight. he is hoping that they are vaccinated but he has some serious questions about that, anderson. >> kyung lah, appreciate it. thank you. the biden administration has been doing its own polling of the unvaccinated, since the spring, to try to find out why
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they're hesitant. frank luntz, republican pollster with deep roots in the party has been working with the administration in an unofficial capacity. we should point out, the beaumont foundation is helping coordinate and fund the focus groups and frank luntz joins us, now. frank, thank you for being with us. i think it's really important, what you're doing and i really am interested to hear, from you, what works to reach those of any, political persuasion who, for whatever reason, are hesitant. um, what is the biggest challenge to getting people vaccinated? >> probably, the biggest challenge is they simply don't believe the information that they're being provided. that they've started to deny the data. forget the facts. and they simply refuse to be educated. and we have to be careful about this because skepticism is acceptable. people have the right to be nervous about a vaccine that has, still, been not fully approved by the fda. but that said, we know that over
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90% of the people in the hospitals are people, who did not get vaccinated. we know that this vaccine is safe. we know that it works. and if the government would even shut it down, for six instances, six out of tens of millions of people a couple months ago who may have developed blood clots from it. so, this is a very careful, very well-researched, very well-studied vaccine. and i am going to give you four solutions. number one, for grandparents who are watching, it's time for you to call your grandkids. you know, the closest-family relationship of all is grandparent-grandchild. they both have the same enemy. grandparents, call your grandkids. tell them to get vaccinated. second, teachers. we are about to have a back-to-school effort. we need teachers to call the parents, themselves. call your class and say, you know what would be really great? is if your students are vaccinated and i think you should get one, too. third, not just your own doctor, but pharmacists need to get
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involved because there are millions of people who trust their pharmacist, when they are seeking medical information. and, fourth, frankly, it's donald trump. and i want joe biden to, specifically, invite trump to the white house. say, come on home and you and i are going to ask people to get vaccinated. what we learned from the beaumont -- and by the way, you can see all the research. everything is available on the website. we know that, if biden and trump, together, make the request that millions of people listen to it. so let's try to make that happen. and let's push trump to join joe biden. and the two of them, together, say to the american people, we got the vaccine. we got it out to you. now, use it. >> is it for -- you know, i understand, you know, everybody has freedoms to -- to do what they want with -- with their bodies. is it -- how effective a message do you think it's been, from the former president, this weekend saying, look, you know, i -- i
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did the vaccine. it -- you know, i'm very pleased with how i did it. i recommend you get it. but i, also, understand your -- your freedoms. is that enough? >> no, it's not enough. it has to be more. and it's, also, has to be about personal responsibility. you had on, earlier, tom frieden, dr. frieden, who's probably the best communicator in the country on this stuff. and, anderson, i'm going to tell you something, which probably you don't want to hear. but i'd rather see tom frieden on this show than anthony fauci on this show because fauci's become so politicized. so polarized that every time he speaks, he actually turns off people. >> hmm. >> we need more people, more experts, like -- like tom frieden, who are active and know the data. and know how to communicate it. it's personal responsibility, not some sort of national discussion. and the most important factor of all. if over 90% of doctors have been vaccinate, don't they know something that you may not know?
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because the problem is they are trusting their cousin, rather than their doctor. >> so, it's -- it's interesting what you say about -- about dr. fauci. um, because he is viewed, you are saying, through a political lens, by a large segment of the population who is vaccine hesitant or refusing to take it. because he's been labeled that, then they discount anything he has to say? or, in fact, do the opposite. >> exactly. and -- and you are serious and this is a serious show and, by the way, it's 1:40 a.m., here, in london. and i got up to make sure i stayed up to make sure i could do this. if we are serious about it, it means we have to put the best spokespeople out there and it also means that we can't demonize the people that we're trying to win over. that you don't hate people, because they make the wrong decisions. you love them and try to educate them, and try to move them. look. i get frustrated. and i acknowledge that in the last focus group i did.
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but we got -- we got to do this. and so, demonizing these people and then asking them to follow a proper course, they won't do it. >> yeah. no. you're right. you are absolutely right about that. just one quick correction. we had on, last week, in a report, um, by a correspondent, elle reeve, in alabama she talk today a mom whose 8 -- excuse me, it was arkansas. she talked to a mom, whose 8-year-old child got covid. according to the mom, was pretty sick, had a really high fever, for weeks and weeks and weeks, the mom said. was still not feeling well. she wanted to take the child to a doctor to see what kind of damage was done. if anything more could be done to help. then, elle reeve asked, well, you know, are you, now, going to get vaccinated? to, you know, protect your other kids? and she said, no, and the answer was, because she didn't trust the government. how do you reach her? without condemning. without -- without, you know, naming -- calling names.
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just all that matters is her protecting those kids. how do you -- >> we have so destroyed our democracy. we have done so much damage to this country, it's one of the reasons why i had to get out for a couple months. when science is so polarized and so political, that you can't tell people the truth. that they won't listen to you. then, you know the damage has been done. and i'm afraid, it's permanent. so, i wish i could give you the answer. and i -- i told you the four ways that we can make a difference. >> yeah. >> anderson, we have damned this country, not to weeks or months, but years of this. it's not name calling. it's demonization. and dehumanization. and delegitimization. >> yeah. >> and -- and god help us because i think a lot of people are going to get sick. a lot of people are going to die. and god, i wish it had not happened. >> yeah. frank luntz, i appreciate what you are doing, and i appreciate you talking tonight. thank you. coming up. a cnn exclusive investigation,
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it's been nearly three weeks since the assassination of haiti's president in his home. ever since, there has been a lot of unanswered questions about the investigation. tonight, in a cnn exclusive report, you will see how those who should be granted access to the crime scene have been kept away and have even received death threats. the story now from cnn's matt rivers. >> reporter: cnn has obtained a copy of a previously-unseen formal complaint filed with haiti's national police, in which several haitian court clerks, key figures in criminal investigations, detail the death threats they've received in the past few weeks. hey, clerk, you can wait for a bullet in your head. they gave you an order, and you keep on doing [ bleep ], read one text message. the threat comes from someone anonymous, angry that the clerk has not followed certain instructions about whom and what to investigate. the threats appear to be just one, startling example of what appear to be consistent patterns of intimidation and a failure to follow procedure, throughout the investigation into the president's death. cnn has spoken to multiple
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sources, close to the investigation, who detailed what they believe are clear attempts to block investigators and, therefore, the public from finding out more about who killed the president and why. starting just a few hours after the assassination, around 7:00 a.m., outside the presidential residence, sources tell cnn multiple court clerks were kept outside a police perimeter for more than three hours, after arriving. even while other law enforcement was inside. normally, experts on haiti's legal system say, clerks enter a crime scene right away, to officially document any evidence and to take statements from key witnesses, per haitian law. >> it's unclear why, in this case, they were delayed. but when they, eventually, did make it into the presidential residence just down the street, behind me. sources tell us that not one of the roughly-two-dozen or so guards present at the time of the assassination were still there. meaning, no witness statements were, immediately, taken. later on that day, there was a fierce-gun fight between haitian security forces and some of the
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alleged assassins at this building. mull approximately suspects were killed. all of wom were colombian. sources close to the investigation tell us court clerks were not immediately allowed into the shoot-out scene which would have been filled with evidence, including we are told, the bodies of the dead colombians. in an official document filed with haiti's trop prosecutor, clerks describe examining the bodies not here at the shootout site but here, outside an office building just down the road. that suggests the bodies had been removed from the crime scene before being processed. no-official explanation of why that happened was given. >> where is the leadership of haiti? >> reporter: a few days later, authorities start to zero in on this man as someone who allegedly recruited and helped organize some of these men seen here. the large group of colombians and several americans haitian officials allege carried out this crime. we haven't heard from them publicly. a source close to the investigation previously told cnn he told investigators he is innocent.
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it was around this time, that the anonymous phone calls started. according to the official complaint filed with police obtained by cnn, clerks received multiple, threatening phone calls telling them to stop investigating two suspects in the case. and remove them from their reports. according to the complaint, the calls were followed by this text message. quote, they told you to stop going around, searching people's houses in the president-assassination case, and you refused. you have been told to take out two names, and you refused. we're watching you. sources close to the investigation tell us the clerks were, also, told to add unrelated names to their reports. people, who had no, clear connection to the crime. it's unclear, who made any of the calls or sent the text messages. and then, there's what happened with the fbi. special agents from the bureau, invited in by haiti's government, went to the presidential residence about two weeks ago to collect evidence. sources tell us, the agents managed to find a lot, including the megaphone used here.
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this is from the night of the assassination, where one of the suspects is keeping people away from the scene by claiming it was all a dea operation. something, the agency and haitian officials, repeatedly, denied that it was. sources tell cnn, fbi agents were a little surprised to find so much evidence, still, at the crime scene. and left wondering why haitian authorities hadn't, already, collected it. though, sources added they do expect the fbi will have continued access to evidence that they requested. >> and matt rivers joins us, now. have authorities commented about these death threats? >> we have reached out to multiple-government agencies, anderson. only one person got back to us. haiti's top prosecutor, who would only say he would try and improve the security for some of these investigators. we have talked about this for weeks now. even after all that reporting we just laid out, what don't we have, anderson? a motive for why the president was killed. a mastermind behind that operation. what we do have, though, is what very much appears to be a coordinated effort to keep some of those people who are seeking
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the truth from finding it. >> hmm. matt rivers, i appreciate it. thanks. up next. tom barrack, who headed the former president's inaugural committee, entered a plea today in federal court to accusations of illegal foreign lobbying. details, ahead. dives. to 3-on 3s... 2-on-2s... and 1-on-1s. at aspen dental, we see all the moments that make us smile so we make it easy to share your smile with convenient, total care - all in one place. and flexible hours that work with your life. right now, new patients get a complete exam and x-rays — free without insurance, and everyone saves 20% on their treatment plan. welcome back to life's best moments. call 1-800-aspendental or book online today.
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tom barrack now, the former president's man who headed his inaugural committee entered pleas today of not guilty. he is free on a staggering bail package worth around $250 million. he is only one of several people associated with the former president who have either been indicted, sent to prison, or are under legal scrutiny having once been in the former president's orbit. here are today's developments. what do we know about the conditions of the $250 million bail agreement? >> reporter: we know we'll start with the money first the judge saying this substantial $250 million agreement was quite substantial. he said it was sufficient to mitigate the risk of flight. that was the big question prosecutors had here not wanting tom barrack someone with a lot of international connections and money to potentially leave. as part of the arrangement barrack's ex-wife, his former
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business partner, and his son have backed up this bail package, this $250 million, and in addition to that he is also under other considerations here. he is going to have gps tracking, wearing an ankle bracelet. his travel is also restricted to portions of california, new york, and colorado. he can no longer use any private planes. he has to fly commercial. he cannot engage in any overseas fund transfers all getting at the heart of the issue where prosecutors are concerned barrack could flee. >> what happens if he doesn't comply? >> reporter: so the judge was very clear on this. he told barrack if he failed to show up to a court hearing a warrant would be issued for his arrest. he also made clear to him that his friends and family members who are supporting him could lose their homes. as part of barrack's bail package he is also posting some shares in the company that he owns, the judge telling him he would forfeit those shares if he violated any terms of bail and noting to barrack that would essentially wipe him out. now, after the judge had gone
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through all of the potential ramifications here, he said to barrack do you have any other questions? barrack said no, your honor. that was very clear. so certainly got the message there is a lot at stake. >> obviously probably too soon but i assume nothing we know about has changed on whether he might cooperate with authorities. >> reporter: right. it is still very early. it hasn't even been one week since he was arrested. tone from barrack's legal team today is he is innocent of the charges. they plan to go to the mat and take this to trial. it is still early days but that is the position they're staking out right now. >> all right. thank you. coming up next a sad but welcome milestone in the surfside condo disaster.
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