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all right, thank you very much for the opportunity. i hope you know it coming from a
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good place and i hope you understand we got to talk to each other. don lemon, the star of the show tonight. >> i'm sure a lot of people won't agree with this but don't get the vaccine, you can't go to the super market. don't have the vaccine, can't go to the ball game. don't have a vaccine, can't go to work. you don't have a vaccine, can't come here. no shirt, no shoes, no service. i think that's where we should be because we can't to waste our breath on people that are just not going to change. you know, the logic they keep going back and saying well, it's my freedom or whatever. i'm free. your kid is not free to give other kids meningitis in schools. got to take a vaccine to do that. you got to take a vaccine to be employed. so what is the big deal? all these people are saying i don't want to put this stuff in my body and out drinking in the weekend and putting other substances in their bodies way
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worse than a vaccine. come on, let be real. >> there are people who have healthy exceptions. i think they're the very pronounced minority. this is about something else, something just as toxic as the virus. my hope is that people on the right and trumpers changing their tune, whether it's steve scalise or sean hannity or these other guys starting to get more quiet about it, that that may make a difference. they're aware they don't want to wind up like trump where you misplay a pandemic, it's demfale and you lose. they don't want the midterms to look like this election did for trump and you're seeing the narrative shift. hopefully it makes a difference because this is a situation it can't be left and right. unless you're a person that's immune compromised, it makes a difference for you. the congressman of florida didn't know this. the vaccine isn't just to keep me from getting less sick from
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the variant, it mitigates and reduces my ability to give it to you. i still might but it's less and that's why you get it. >> that congress lost me when he said his wife had it and kids had it and i went hello, hello? it's just -- it makes no sense. it makes absolutely zero sense to hear -- listen. this is not just -- actually, it's not a left and right thing. the former president politicized it. that's who politicized this. nobody else said you got to get this because joe biden said. nobody did that. the trump folks did that. that's who politicized this. the propaganda news network politicized this. that's who politicized it. so it shouldn't be left or right, but for some reason, getting a vaccine has become that and i really don't understand there is no logic to it. it's not about freedom. it's not about anything.
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it really about common sense and keeping your fellow man, your fellow american safe and alive and especially kids who are now getting it now. i got to tell you before i let you go, there is no better example than i have coming up with ashley and scott owen. they were vaccine resistant, and didn't want to do it. they went to -- they had a party for july 4th. both got sick. both ended up in the hospital. one of them is still on oxygen and will join me in a few minutes. they show us where we are in this country. now they are saying everybody go get vaccinated. >> precautionary tales. we don't need people to go through that to arrive at a conclusion they could have made before. >> this is where we are and what i'm doing now. i'm masking up and fully vaccinated and a lot of people are doing this? that may be required in a lot more places really soon unless we get straight with this vaccine and even if we do -- anyway, i love you. >> thank you very much. see you later.
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this is "don lemon tonight kwths "thanks for watching. we thought we were coming out of this. we could have been having a largely covid free summer without masks and back to normal activities and back to work getting ready for pack to school, but no, free of fear. free of senseless death. for those who love to talk about their freedoms, how does that sound? there is a pandemic of the unvaccinated sores, more and more of us will see mandates. it's happening in states and cities and gavin newsom calling out the right wing echo chamber of vaccine misinformation to reach unvaccinated people. >> we are exhausted respectfully exhausted by the ideological prism too many americans are run under. we're exhausted by the ron
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johnsons and marjorie taylor greens and right wing echo channel per that's been perpetuating misinformation. we're exhausted by the politicalization of this pandemic including masks wearing equated to the holocaust. it's disgraceful and unconscionable and it needs to be called out. >> and it's uniquely american problem. facts were up on chris' show. it being politicized by the right. that's the truth. the fact is there are far too many on the right who are willing to tell vaccine resistant americans exactly what they want to hear, willing to spread misinformation and conenter sc conspiracy theories. look at one state in this case, that's arkansas where the republican governor of arkansas hutchinson and top doctor got booed on his trip trying to
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convince constituents to get vaccinated and booed for telling the truth. >> does this impact fertility? the answer is no and that's been the data but they -- doctor, do you want to answer this? >> so at this point in time, there is no evidence that the covid -- >> you shut women down for telling their stories. >> but this is the same governor hutchinson that told jake tapper he approved a statewide ban on mask mandates because people are capable of making their own decisions. >> at that point, we had very low case rates in arkansas and people knew exactly what to do. they were capable of making their decisions. >> well, now here we are. and then there is trump white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders running to replace governor hutchinson by the way in an op ed trying to
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convince the vaccine resistant to roll up their sleeves. she mentions her former boss no less than 14 times and says and i quote here, it is clear that the trump vaccine works and is saving lives. is that what it's going to take to get people vaccinated? running the shot like a trump vodka or trump steaks or trump airlines? so be it. if you have to -- we'red adult here. let's hope it works. we're hours away from the first hearing of the january 6 th select committee. tomorrow's hearing expected to last about two and a half hours with one round of questions from members and never before seen police body cam footage showing for hero's officers testify about the truth of what happened and what happened to them on one of the darkest days in this country's history. the truth gop deniers have been trying to hide for months with
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lies comparing blood thirsty riders to tourists calling then peaceful patriots. liz cheney, one of two republicans on l pthe panel wit adam k adam adam ken sinker will make a statement. she talked today how in her view this is bigger than politics. >> really important opportunity to remind everybody about the necessity of accountability for what happened for making sure that it never happens again. >> accountability, accountability, accountability. that's what all this is supported to be about. yeah, kevin mccarthy who just days after the attack on the capitol said that the then president pborrow responsibilit and calling liz cheney adam kinzinger republicans. kinzinger called that childish and pointed out it was republicans that killed the
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independent commission in the senate. listen? we had an opportunity for a 5-5 commission that didn't include members of congress and then at every junction, it kept getting blocked despite we negotiated the 5-5. and so it's become obvious that there are some don't want answers and that to me is unacre acceptable. >> people don't want the truth. there are some who don't want answers. some who are spreading lies with their talk about how the rioters hugged police. look at all that hugging right there. we all saw with our own eyes they were beating police trying to defend the seat of democracy. >> many of the republicans in congress who are the most vocal about supposedly supporting the police and law and order dismissed and downplayed the shameful events of that day. >> as the hearing goes on tomorrow, some of those republicans who have shown they will stop at nothing to whitewash the events of that day are planning a press conference
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outside the justice department on what they're calling the treatment of january 6th prisoners. otherwise known as -- riters and insurrectionists. nancy pelosi saying house republicans are proving once again they stand with the insurrectionists, not with our law enforcement. blue lives matter. remember? after everything that happened, everything we saw on january 6th, tomorrow we're going to hear the truth. at the capitol. the scene of the crime. four hero officers testifying, officer michael beaten with a bat and tased with his own taser pleading for his life saying i have kids. >> i have kids! >> who told me whitewashing the lies are an assault on every officer who fought to defend the
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capitol. >> i'm not a politician. i'm not an elected official. i don't expect anybodyshits abo i'll say this. you know, those are lies. and peddling that bullshit is an assault on every officer that fought to defend the capitol. it's disgraceful. >> officer harry dunn who spoke out about the racist attacks he and other black officers experienced who told me the lies of insurrection deniers are like a slap in the face. some republican lawmakers and former president, they're trying to rewrite history saying that the rioters that they weren't that bad and the riters were actually antifa. how do you respond to them
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twisting the truth like that? >> it's hurtful and like a slap in the face without even asking us or talking to us about what we went through. >> sergeant ganell who was beaten so badly he thought he might die and told me the rye t -- rioters were trump supporters. >> then for them to whitewash this like i'm making it up like somebody told me that oh, this is black lives matter or antifa. there was no antifa there. the sea of people that were there, they were saying president trump send me here. he's our president. he send us here and we won't listen to anything you say that day. >> office daniel hodges who was crushed in a doorway piby riote.
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>> he was able to get my baton and beat me with it and practically foaming at the mouth. >> patripatriotism, law and ord freedom, liberty. these are the ideas that the republican party long claimed to hold. what happened to them? how can they look these men in the face and -- men and women in the face who defended them? who defended democracy that day. they can't. some will try to cover up what happened that day to distract and pull stunts. why do you think they wanted jim jordan on there? you know why. don't let them -- don't fall for the okie doke. let's try to get to the truth, okay? i told you about this a little earlier as i was talking to chris, next, you have to stick around for this.
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they had a party on july 6th. they were not vaccinated. he thought he had a hangover. then he went to the hospital testing positive for coronavirus. they're doing to join me. there they are, right after the break.
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all right. welcome back, everyone. i have a couple here i really want you to meet but first, let me give you some of the background of what is going on where they live in florida. nearly a quarter of all covid cases, a quarter of all covid cases now in the u.s. are there in florida. more than any other state. less than half the people fully vaccinated. and with cases climbing, some hospitals are bursting at the seams. my next guest while they are at home now from the hospital, thankfully, they didn't get the vaccine and ended up getting sick with the virus. ashley and scott owen are here to tell their story tunnel. thank you both. we're not here just so you know, we're not here to judge you but hear your story because you're like so many people in this country now and you can offer help and guidance about what happened. thank you both. how are you doing? are you okay?
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>> yes, sir. doing wonderful. >> you were released from the hospital just this weekend, right? >> yes, sir, saturday. >> yeah. so you still have symptoms. you're still on oxygen. tell me your story and what is it doing to take for you to get better? do you have any idea? >> depends on my body, my lungs, how they react. of course, i'm asthmatic. retired navy. i acquired asthma from some chemical so maybe that's why covid attacked me. i'm on three liters per minute of oxygen until we have no idea. so i do exercises daily. so we'll see in the future. >> what is your exercises? >> he has a little -- >> this nice little machine
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here. >> what do you have to do with that? >> it's a suction machine to build up, i guess, the pressure in your lungs and slowly clears out whatever is doing on along with them and steroids and stuff that i'm on. >> yeah. scott, we'll talk more and i'll get back to you. l let bring in ashley. you and your husband, hesitated to get the vaccine because you have been trying to get pregnant, right? but you've been hearing some misinformation about the vaccine and fertility. so tell me what you heard that made you and scott choose not to get vaccinated? >> i don't think we necessarily -- we really didn't hear anything. there wasn't a yes get it, there wasn't a no, don't get it. it was kind of -- there is not enough information regarding fertility. i have struggled -- we have both struggled with fertility for it's been five years now.
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i had surgery last year during covid to try and help my fertility. went through a very rough recovery. i didn't -- it's not that i didn't want to get the vaccine. it not that i didn't want to protect myself, i just didn't know. and that's scary whenever you really want a baby and that's been tough. it's not been easy. >> talk to me about that. >> it's scary. i'm 38. i see people with children and it's just hard. it's scary for me. i didn't want to do anything to jeopardize that if i got the vac vaccine. what if i got the vaccine and it made me infertile.
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what if i got the vaccine and it didn't? but it didn't know. and not knowing is the hardest part and i think that's the hardest part for everyone. they don't know. they're scared. >> did you talk to your doctors about it? >> yeah, and they said it's up to you. and -- >> can i cut in for a second? >> yeah, go ahead. >> i personally also had cancer polyps found last year and i was told that i should and then i was told i shouldn't from the v.a. from tricare from numerous sources, yes, no. there was a lot of hesitation from multiple directions. we're not for or against but after going through this, we're definitely for. >> it's changed. >> yeah, it has. it's changed both of our minds.
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i mean, it woke us up. it -- seeing him laying there, me being as sick as i was, i luckily did not get it as he did, but i said if it makes my infertile or him infertile, then we'll adopt. there is plenty of babies out there that need a home and that's where we are at this point. >> yeah. >> now, listen, i'm going to talk -- i'm not -- i'm glad you checked with your doctors but from all of the medical experts we've had on the network and spoken to, you know, this vaccine has been in the works, right, this mnra vaccine has been in the works for quite a long time before covid-19 to work on other viruses and even coronaviruses. this is -- this new strain is new but this isn't something, this research and this form of medicine is not something that is new. but go on. if you want to respond to that.
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>> i know that a lot of people are misinformed because they see it from both sides. they see a media outlet telling them one thing and another media outlet telling them another and i wish we could all just get on the same page and do this together. we don't have to have this divide. we're all americans. we all need to fight this together and that was his thing. you know, he spent 20 years in the navy fighting for us and we should all fight together. >> i couldn't agree with you more about we should all be on the same page and we're all americans and all in this together. listen, i want to talk to you guys about the party and the other people at the party that ended up testing positive, as well. can you stick with me? scott, i don't want to interrupt anything you're doing. i want to take a break and speak with you guys longer if that's okay with you. >> not a problem. >> sounds good. >> we'll be right back. ever, everyone.
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there is no clear scientific reason to think the new vaccine would cause fertility problem in adults, like wise, this is no scientific reason to believe it would cause fertility problems in teenagers. that's regardless how old the person is. as the data comes out what we're seeing in the thousands of women that took the vaccine, their pregnancy outcomes are no different than the population of pregnant women that did not get one of the vaccines. there is no evidence that people have lost any fertility because of covid-19. the rumor apparently started with the myth that the coronavirus spike protein, which is mimicked when you get a vaccine also mimics the protein on the surface of placenta cells. this u.s. centers for disease control and prevention said there is no link between any vaccines and fertility. i just want to say that because i want people to know the truth, ashley, so that they're not -- i don't want to end up in a situation like you guys, i hope you understand that. >> i didn't say this, but i
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struggle -- i have stage four endomitriosis. i have a disease that causes infertility. that's where i was going with that. >> i understand. i want to talk about, scott, you had a fourth of july party. 12 people at the party ended up testing positive for coronavirus. you felt sick immediately after that, right? >> yes, on the fifth. that monday. and like i said, thought it was a hangover. thought it was just hangover/maybe a cold or something and laid on the couch all day. didn't have the energy to write my wife's birthday card so that was not my best moment. led into thursday us getting tested at our clinic and from there, it was pretty much downhill from that point on. directly to icu about two days
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after that and then ten days in icu and 12 days total until i finally got to come home. >> so knowing what you guys know now, would you have done anything differently? >> gotten the vaccine. >> oh, definitely. i don't like to almost die. it's no fun. >> no, it's very scary. whenever you see someone you love right next to you, you know, deteriorating and you're calling 911 because his oxygen levels dropped. it really makes you realize that there is nothing, a couple -- you need the vaccine. >> what do you want to say to folks that are resistant or hesitant or who just don't want to get it or maybe -- what do you want to say? >> do your research.
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it always your choice but really, really think about it and really look at a man who is 6'4" 210 pounds stronger than any man i met can barely walk from the couch to the backyard without getting winded. everything has changed for us. our lives have changed because of this virus and we don't know how long it's going to be. we don't know if this is going to be a few months. if this is going to be years he's going to be dealing with this but everyone who knows scott knows that he is up. he is doing something. he is building something. he is moving something. he is working in something, and to see him like this, i know that a lot of our friends, we have changed a lot of their minds pabecause they know him a the man he is and have seen him get as sick as he did. >> yeah. well, scott, ashley, thank you
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both. i will let you go unless you have anything else you want to say but i want you to get well, both of you. >> thank you. >> thank you, keep us updated. thank you very much. >> yes, sir. >>. they represent a lot of people in this country. you can say what you want, like, oh, they should have known better and this isn't -- they didn't -- okay, maybe they should have had the evidence but they didn't and a lot of people don't. so maybe they can be of service to you and to others who don't see the benefits of getting the vaccine. hopefully you will see that now and we wish them the very best. now let's move on to other misinformation that we want to talk about and that is january 6th. officers who defended the capitol testifying in just hours. the investigation into the insurrection beginning. what will that find? eric swalwell tells us what he expects.
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so we are hours away from the first hearing of the january 6th select committee. officers who testify under oath for the first time and sources tell cnn there will be never before seen video from the deadly riot. joining me eric swalwell of california. representative, thank you very much. as a matter of fact, i went long we are that couple. i thank you for your patience -- >> that was an important segment, don. >> appreciate your patience. you were an impeachment manager for trump's second impeachment, the charge against him was inciting an insurrection and tomorrow, the select committee is going to hear four officers on the front lines during the attack. what do you expect to see, congressman, and hear? >> tomorrow starts with four police officers who were on the front line, don, fighting in hand to hand combat to defend
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the count that was taking place in the lives that were inside. essentially, it's to make sure animating through the officers that january 6th is a day that is not erased from the story of america. >> you know, adam kinzinger, is now on the committee, he says he is open to potential recalling some republican members of congress to testify. should that include kevin mccarthy and the former president, as well? >> they should be off the table. certainly kevin mccarthy knew donald trump's mind set as the insurrection was taking place and what donald trump was willing to do and most importantly, not do. but second, donald trump as i saw as an impeachment manager, don, he incited this mob. he aimed the mob and once the mob went to the capitol, he did nothing to stop them. i was convinced after that trial that but for donald trump, that dark day never would have happened.
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we invited him to testify at the impeachment trial. he refused, which i think showed a consciousness of guilt for his conduct but i hope the select committee with less time pressure we had in a senate if they think he's a valuable relevant witness is able to seek him. >> how much do you think this investigation, how much do you expect it will focus on donald trump's role in the insurrection versus security failures, other factors that led up to that deadly day? >> certainly we need to know as a democracy how can an individual or a party or, you know, an individual supporters have so much, you know, capability to storm the capitol, make it inside and stop the count. we don't want that to happen again. by the way, don, what has changed? republicans voted against or stopped us from having security assistance on the senate side. they're not taking up that vote is donald trump is around saying he'll come back in august so what has changed? we have to make sure we protect
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against this type of situation happening again and of course, we want to make sure that in january 2025 and future electoral certification days that we're better able to protect the capitol and that means a full mri has to be taken to what led up to that day. >> as you know, and i think it bears repeating, people should continue to say this. the house speaker nancy pelosi initially agreed to an independent 9/11 style commission only for senate republicans to knock that down. she put two republicans on the select committee. for the people that say this committee is, you know, now partisan, where does the responsibility for that lie? >> scquarely at the feet of kevn mccarthy, mitch mcconnell who are doing the bidding of donald trump. it's not only that we won't understand the truth about january 6 th in the most complete way if we had a bipartisan independent commission and the select
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committee will do the best job possible absent an independent commission. it's such an insult to the police officers you'll hear from tomorrow. they are seen now in the last six months republicans have voted against giving them the gold medal for what they did on january 6th, republicans have not voted to give the security assistance that would help us. republicans have blamed the fbi and said it was an inside job. republican leader mccarthy refused to meet for many months with officer mike fanone and walking away from the select committee. you know, they have shown that to honor donald trump, you have to dishonor the police and tomorrow will be entirely about honoring the heroes of january 6th. >> and we'll be watching. thank you representative swalwell. appreciate it. you know who has a lot to say about this? matthew doud after the break.
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so we're hours away from the first witness or witnesses testimony in the january 6th commission elsewhere the bipartisan bill is on shaky ground as senators try to work out a compromise as a pandemic of the unvaccinate sdd is makin governments consider stronger measures to fight the spread. i want to discuss this now, former chief strategist for george w. bush matthew doud, the author of the upcoming back "revelations on the river" that can be preordered on amazon. i'm waiting for the audio version but i'll have to get the text so that i can read it because i really want to read it. matthew, thank you. appreciate your joining. >> thank you. >> the gop is blasting this select committee as partisan
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with the house minority leader responding with insults when asked about the two republicans who are on the committee. listen to this and we'll talk. >> some republicans have been saying that the >> really? who was that, adam and liz? aren't they kind of like [ inaudible ] republicans? >> uh, okay. i think he thinks he's being cute there. republicans had a chance for a bipartisan commission and rejected it. will they misjudge how this will unfold? >> i thank what they're most concerned about is the truth coming out. every single thing they've done since january 6 has been evidence of people that are very scared of the truth coming out. and the funny thing is, is they didn't want republicans open there that would speak the truth and seek the truth. that's what's so interesting,
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they've now become a caucus of the dishonest. and the two people that look like to be the most honest of that republican caucus in the house, adam kinzinger and liz cheney, who are very conservative members, republicans, are two people who want to pursue the truth regardless of partisanship. and we should all want that. >> as always, this story, when it unfolds as it relates to the former president, is interesting because tonight we're learning that the former president is supporting ken paxton for texas attorney general over george p. bush even after bush made support for trump the cornerstone of his message, he threw his own family under the bus. it shows that loyalty is a one-way street for the president. >> it's fascinating to me, what's happened in the attorney general's race, tells me two things.
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one, donald trump thinks the best candidate is somebody that's been under multiple indictments for the last five years and still is under indictment and has not gone to court yet. that's his kind of republican. two is, george p. bush went out of his way to bootlick donald trump, throw his family under the bus, and this is what he gets in return. people forget in a devil's bargain, not only are you dealing with the devil, and not only do you not get what you wanted, the devil ultimately does exactly what the devil is always going to do. so it's amazing to me, republicans still think pursuing donald trump's endorsement in this and going after it is going to somehow benefit them. donald trump is an albatross and they have not figured that out yet. >> my colleague jamie gangel says sources close to george p. bush warned him that this is what would happen. i said this right off, but
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anyway, that is exactly what happened. >> well, you know, sycophants sometimes can't help themselves. you know, george p. wants a higher office than land commissioner in the state of texas, here in the state of texas. and he will do anything. i was somewhat surprised that he would be willing to throw his own family under the bus after how donald trump treated jeb bush's father in this. but, you know, at this point in time, republicans don't seem to have any sort of moral code or moral compass at all. all it is is pursuit of power, pursuit of some higher office, and george p. is one of them. and in the end they get punished for it. that's what happened in this case. >> let's talk about this bipartisan infrastructure deal, it now appears to be crumbling with democrats and republicans already pointing fingers at each other, "this is your fault." president biden told me this at our town hall this week. >> the bipartisan infrastructure deal failed, the procedural vote
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today, right? >> no. yes, but that's irrelevant. >> okay. negotiators say they need more time. >> yes. >> they expect to vote again on monday. how much time do you think they need to get this done? >> 'til monday. look, i'm not being facetious. you had 20 republicans sign a letter saying we think we need this deal. >> it didn't happen today the way he said, i have to say. what happens if the president's bet on bipartisanship falls apart? this is a continuation that we've been having. >> i'm hopeful and i hope that this infrastructure bill can get through because our bridges are crumbling, our roads are crumbling, our infrastructure across america is crumbling. it's unreal that the richest country in the world at this point in time, in the 21st century, can't rebuild their bridges in this. i have been saying to you, and i know we've had this conversation, bipartisanship should not be the goal.
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bipartisanship is a process to get to a goal. the goal should be the truth. the goal should be what's best for america. if bipartisanship works towards that goal, great. if it's a block to that goal, forget bipartisanship. when you have almost an entire republican caucus who seeks to block anything that joe biden wants to do, whether it's from the commission that we just talked about to investigate on 1/6 to everything else, is you can't have bipartisanship with a person in a relationship who you can't trust. the republican party cannot be trusted in america today. >> matthew dowd, thank you, my friend, i'll see you soon. >> thanks, don. covid hospitalizations more than doubling over the past three weeks and now the vaccine mandates are beginning. stay with us.
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unvaccinated surging tonight, with cases, hospitalizations, and deaths rising. the va is now mandating vaccines for front line health workers. and we're hours away from the first hearing of the january 6 celebrity committee. four hero officers who defended the capitol will testify. and this is from michael flynn, the trump ally who riled up a crowd less than 24 hours before the deadly insurrection and even called for martial law. now flynn, in a church no less, is given a semi-automatic rifle and jokes about taking it to washington, d.c. >> this is, uh, one of our top quality guns. >> maybe i'll find somebody in washington, d.c. [ cheers and applause ] >> i mean, and people laughed and cheered. you know what? tell that to the brave police officers who are testifying tomorrow. those american heroes who risked their lives to defend lawmakers
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