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horrific scenes. i'm sure most of the bystanders and the people in the community haven't. but there was absolutely no hesitation. everybody there did something to help. >> brynn gingras, cnn, new york. >> and thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. >> good evening. tomorrow, house select committee begins investigating the worst attack on american democracy by americans since the civil war. and this is not just a look back to the 6th of january, experts on how democracies die have told us on this program they consider what we saw that day merely one manifestation of an ongoing threat which only amplifies the need to root out the facts of what actually happened on january 6th and why to identify who was responsible, what led up to it, and what the implications might be for the future of a democracy that is still under considerable strain. congressman adam schiff who serves on the committee and
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joins us shortly says tomorrow's opening session will be fairly limited. one round of questions and never before seen video showing what it was like to be a police officer facing the mob. it was no love fest, as the former president continues to say. nothing akin to tourism, as one georgia republican said. liz cheney is no longer the lone republican on the panel. they named republican adam kinzinger to the committee, he accepted, and today, house republican leader kevin mccarthy had this to say about it. >> you know, some republicans have been saying that the gop should play a part in the committee. >> who was that, adam and liz? aren't they kind of like pelosi republicans? >> pelosi republicans. it's a new spin on the conventional label which has been to refer to them and a few others as anti-trump republicans. which cnn political commentator and conservative amanda car carpenter says really short
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changed their conversations. she tweeted, why is he being described as an anti-trump republican. he's a pro-democracy republican who rightly is disgusted by what happened on j 6. it's about principles not people. as what it means to be a mccarthy republican, well, it seems that it means at least initially seeing the insurrection for exactly what it was, and acknowledging exactly who was responsible when the mob was at his door. then it means maintaining that crystal clarity about an event that may well be taught in schools a century from now for precisely one whole week. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. >> well, that's just what a mccarthy republican says, until, of course, he realizes the former president's base is standing by him, and then that's when a mccarthy republican shows that what he really cares about is maintaining his own power.
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forget about principles. so he quickly backtracks and shows fealty to the former president and then opposes a 9/11 style independent bipartisan commission because in part, as the headline reads, it would not study political violence by the left. in other words, that it would not be a venue for changing the subject. this is a panel, as you know, that would have given democrats and republicans an equal number of members and was organized almost identically to the 9/11 commission. not only that, the contours of it were hammered out in bipartisan talks just days before congressman mccarthy pulled the rug out from under it. reportedly fearing how it might harm gop chances in the 2022 midterm elections, which of course, means harming his chances of becoming speaker. that's what being a mccarthy republican has come to mean. it also means opposing this current select committee which only exists because of his opposition to the bipartisan one, being a mccarthy republican means naming election deniers to it and then pulling out entirely when speaker pelosi vetoed two of his five picks.
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now it means snarking about the two republicans whom she herself invited to join the panel. one of whom, congresswoman cheney, he has already stripped of her leadership role. if you're thinking this is pretty cynical about a guy who was as clear-eyed about the fact as he was when a violent mob was literally at his door, well, he comes by cynicism honestly. after all, he learns long ago how to be a mccarthy republican. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee. a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. >> and about what they found out about benghazi or didn't find out. it's about her numbers. making them drop. joining us now, congressman adam schiff, member of the select committee and chairman of the house intelligence committee. chairman schiff, this house gop resolution that just failed tonight which demanded speaker pelosi seat mccarthy's picks for the committee, is this anything
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other than just, you know, gamesmanship by kevin mccarthy? >> no, that's all it is. and i think you summed up both mccarthy and the lack of any dedication to principle, ideology, anything but maintenance of his position. this is just more of the same effort at distraction. and i think you also made a very important point at the outset, which is at the end of the day, what this insurrection was about was about a large group of people unwilling to accept the results of a democratic election and willing to use violence to have their way. and that is a very dangerous sign that our democracy is on thin ice. one of the things i hope that we will shed light on is how our country got to this point, as well as how we got to january 6th. but what we need to do going forward to put our democracy on more solid ground. >> house republicans have their own plans to try to counter the
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narrative of the hearing tomorrow. we learned mattigates, marjorie taylor greene, louie gohmert, paul gosar, all the bright lights of the republican party plan to hold a press conference pressing merrick garland on the january 6th prisons and related investigations, end quote. they're calling insurrectionists who violently stormed the capitol january 6th prisoners as they're sort of p.o.w.s in some way. they're testifying how they feared for their lives, you know, louie gohmert claims to be a law and order person. he's from texas. this is what the republican party has come to. >> it is what the republican party has come to. it's not a party of ideas. it's a cult around the person of the former president. and look, if they choose to do that, and we fully suspected they might choose some distraction tomorrow, it will only sharpen the contrast between the democrats and republicans on the select
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committee and their genuine desire to get to the truth and the facts and this clown show that has become the gop wedded to this grifter in the form of the former president. >> is there anything new really to learn, though, about january 6th? i mean, that's one of the criticisms of, you know, of having this select committee. they say it's really just to, you know, keep this in the news and bash the former president. what more do you hope to learn from this? >> well, really, just about everything more. there's so very little that we really know about that date. we don't know what the quality of the intelligence was before that date. we don't know how well it was shared or not shared. we don't know why it wasn't acted upon or if it was acted upon. we don't know why it took so long to call in the national guard. we don't know what the white house administration knew about the participation of these white nationalist groups. we don't know what degree these white nationalists essentially coordinated with each other.
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we don't know what their object was in terms of violence against particular members. we certainly know that they intended to do harm against the speaker, against mike pence, but we also don't know what plans they have in the future. so all of these questions and many more we hope to shed light on. we hope to learn in depth about, create a comprehensive report, and most important, make recommendations for the future. >> just looking at the hearing tomorrow, can you explain how it's going to be formatted? >> yes. we'll have opening statements by the chair, bennie thompson, and then by liz cheney, so she can articulate the view of a great many republicans who are also interested in getting to the truth. and then, we will proceed with the witness testimony. and then we'll have member questions which will probably last five to ten minutes apiece, probably closer to ten minutes. and those will -- the questions will be interspersed with video. some that has been seen before,
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some that has not been seen before. but most importantly, these police officers who are on the front lines who were beaten, who were sprayed with bear spray, who were attacked, who continue to suffer injuries, some whom came close to dying that day, will be able to help tell us what happened and also give content to these video images that many people have seen but don't really understand what was going on. >> it is remarkable when you think about 9/11 and the horrific attack on america and american democracy that day, and the amount of investigation, the amount of attention, bipartisan, that was rightfully paid to it. it is just when you step back and try to kind of remove the politics from t on a purely historic and national security basis, it is kind of stunning that we're in this position where it's now a politicized --
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it's seen through the lens of politics, if you want to know more about what actually happened. >> that's exactly right. and of course, you could have made the same point after 9/11, do we really need an investigation? because don't we know what happened? don't we know that al qaeda attacked us, and they used aircraft? what more is there to learn? of course, there was a lot more to learn about why this happened and why we weren't able to stop it. and what future threat was posed by al qaeda, and what reforms and changes we needed to make to our intelligence collection and collaboration among agencies, and we approach that task in a bipartisan way. now, then, like now, there was some initial opposition of the bush administration. they thought the commission might report negatively on how they didn't stop 9/11 from happening. but there were enough people of good will in both parties to overcome that. and come up with a bipartisan product. but that republican party that was willing to do that in 2001 and 2002 is not donald trump's
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republican party. had kevin mccarthy been the leader then, there would have been no 9/11 commission. there would have been an effort to persuade the country that, what, it didn't happen or it's overblown or who knows what the explanation would have been. >> also, the former president bush did not address the hijackers ahead of the attack on 9/11. i mean, you know, none of this would have happened were it not for the former president of the united states. that is an event unique in american history. >> well, that's true. and more than that, it wouldn't have happened without the weeks and weeks of preparation before january 6th, all of the propagation of the big lie about the election that made this such fertile ground, and you know, the admonition from the president and the amplification that he got on the right-wing media. that all was a component of this, and a lot more, but that
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amount that we don't know is what we hope to reveal, what was the role of these right-wing white nationalist groups, how much foreknowledge was there in the administration that they would be there intent on doing violence? these are questions that need to be answers. >> chairman schiff, i appreciate your time. >> with the country's biggest state and city imposing vaccine mandates and one vaccine maker expanding testing for younger kids, we'll talk about breaking news and more with the former cdc director as the delta variant surges across the world, and later, the former president weighing in on the vaccines his administration helped make possible, but what he said might not change many minds. it's an important time to save. with priceline, you can get up to 60% off amazing hotels. and when you get a big deal...
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health care workers in the state to do the same, starting august 2nd. also today, moderna said it will expand the size of its vaccine trial on younger children with the expectation of seeking emergency use authorization by late this year or early 2022. which feels like a lifetime away, given how rapidly delta is spreading. the seven-day rolling average of new cases topping 55,000 today. it was just under 12,000 a month ago. a lot to talk about tonight with dr. thomas friedan, former director of the cdc. appreciate you being with us tonight. in addition to the mandates in new york city and california, the department of veteran affairs is requiring health care workers to be vaccinated. that's the first department of the federal government to do so. do you think those are good solutions for those who are vaccine hesitant to get vaccinated or get tested weekly? >> anderson, the case in health care workers and nursing home workers is very clear. if you have a relative living in a nursing home and a staff member isn't vaccinated, that could result in the death of
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your relative. so for the safety of our patients, for the safety of coworkers, vaccinating all health care workers makes a lot of sense. >> why not make it actually mandatory then? why not not give people an out of, well, or you get tested once a week, which doesn't frankly seem to be, i mean, you can go for days being positive and spreading the virus? >> testing once a week, i think, is to be frank, probably a way of encouraging people to get vaccinated. >> would you -- i mean, employers can choose to enforce a vaccination policy on all of their employees, can't they? >> if you're an employer, you have to say, hey, if there is spread of covid at the workplace and i haven't done this, is there some ethical or legal liability if my customers get sick, is that a problem? if i vaccinate everyone, if i can encourage or mandate
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everyone to get vaccinated, will that be a comparative advantage? will people be more interested in coming to my business knowing everyone there is vaccinated? the bottom line, anderson, is these vaccines are remarkably effective and extremely safe. and the more of us who take them, the safer we'll be. we're heading into a rough time. it's likely if our trajectory is similar to that in the united kingdom, we could see as many as 200,000 cases a day, four times our current rate, within another four to six weeks. and although we won't see the horrific death tolls that we saw last spring because 80% of people over the age of 65 are vaccinated, you will see a steady increase in deaths, and these are preventable deaths. >> wait a minute, you think it's possible that -- right now, it's some 50,000. you think it could go up to 200,000 cases a day in four to six weeks? >> if our pattern follows what the united kingdom pattern was, on the one hand, they opened up
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a little more vociferously than we did. on the other hand, they had more vaccination than we had. what you see is that the delta variant is so infectious that essentially it finds the unvaccinated. whether that's younger people who are vaccinated in much lower numbers but are susceptible still to serious illness and long covid, or people who are older who haven't gotten vaccinated yet. you'll also see predictably more breakthrough infections, but most of those are going to be mild, a few will be serious, tragically, a few of those will end in death. but for every one that ends in death in the coming weeks, there would have been hundreds that ended in death if there hadn't been vaccinations. >> i interviewed a lot of people who have long covid. it has been devastating for them. they all, everyone i have interviewed, has actually had a mild -- what they considered or were told was a mild case of covid when they actually had covid. it was afterwards that the real
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horror of long covid took over their lives. even young people are susceptible to long covid, correct? >> absolutely. and anderson, my group resolved to save lives polled, and found that when people who are vaccine hesitant see the real-life stories of people living with long covid, they're much more willing to get vaccinated. >> dr. friedan, i appreciate it tonight. thank you. closer look now at florida, which over the past week has accounted for nearly a quarter of all cases in the country. that's more than any other state. new cases there are now averaging 10,000 a day. they have tripled in the last two weeks. randi kaye reports on what she saw at a major hospital in jacksonville that is struggling to keep up. >> the increase started happening so quickly, and it's multiplying so fast every single day. we can't open up beds fast enough to meet the demands. >> we met chief nursing officer tammy daniel in jacksonville's
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baptist medical center, on one of the hospital's covid floors. where those battling covid are kept in special rooms reserved for patients with infectious diseases. baptist is now treating 389 covid patients. that's an increase of about 11% from last week. 83 of the patients are in the icu and on ventilators. fighting to survive. baptist says more than 99% of the infected patients here are not vaccinated. and dr. michelle aquino says those getting really sick are younger, too. >> i have admitted perfectly healthy 19-year-old woman. okay. perfectly healthy 25-year-old. so you're seeing these healthy people that are walking around saying i don't need a vaccine, i'm fine. if i get covid, i'll be fine, and that's not true. for the delta variant, we're seeing that's not true. >> about 44% of the covid patients here are under the age of 50, according to the hospital. >> our average age right now is at the 50-year-old mark, and we
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see patients infected with serious respiratory problems as young as in their 30s. >> once patients are seriously ill, it's too late to get the vaccine until they recover. but that hasn't stopped many from begging for it. >> getting ready to intubate the patient, which means putting them on the ventilator, and they said if i get the vaccine now, could i not go on the ventilator? they're begging for t they're desperate because they're gasping for air, they can't breathe. they're scared. they feel like they're going to pass away. >> in room 434, we find fran sisca, who tells me that her whole family has covid. none of them got the vaccine. >> feeling bad. >> bad? >> yeah. i have shortness of breath. i feel sorry about not getting the vaccine. >> you're sorry you didn't get the vaccine? do you think you would be here if you had gotten the vaccine?
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>> no. >> down the hall, this patient is also unvaccinated. you were more concerned about the vaccine than the disease and now you regret it? >> exactly, that's right. >> you wish you had gotten the vaccine. >> yes. >> you probably wouldn't be here. >> yes, exactly. >> same story for marco. he's 49, unvaccinated, and full of regret about not making the vaccine a priority when his doctor offered it? >> you are going to get the vaccine now? >> yes, ma'am. >> frustration is high among staff here. since they know it doesn't have to be this way. >> have you lost patients? >> yes. we have all lost patients here in the last few weeks. when you see someone who is 39, otherwise healthy, didn't get vaccinated for whatever reason, usually not a great reason, to be honest, and then they come in here and they die from complications of covid. >> to see and as you said, it didn't have to be this way. how many new covid cases
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about -- covid positive patients are they getting a day? >> dozens, anderson. it's really just a terrible situation. just yesterday, which was the last day we have a full count for, the hospital received 63 covid positive patients. and of that group, of those who were eligible to get the vaccine, not a single one had gotten the shot. so it's really the unvaccinated who we hear over and over again are ending up in the hospital. also, at this hospital, they're very concerned about children because as you know, children 12 and under can't get the vaccine yet. right now, they have 11 children under the age of 12 who are positive with covid and one of them is seriously ill in the icu. so they're very concerned about these children. but overall, anderson, across this hospital system, the patients are younger, they're sicker, and they're staying in the hospital longer, on an average of eight days or more, whereas the first serge here in the state of florida, they were released before the eight-day mark. a hot of concern at that hospital and across the state, anderson. >> you said they had 11 children. you mean visit the emergency
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room or they have had 11 children actually in the hospital? >> 11 children in the hospital with covid. >> is that total or is that right now? that's right now there's 11? >> right now. >> wow. >> that is right now. >> wow. and one is in the icu. wow. randi kaye, appreciate it. thank you. >> up next, what the former president said about vaccines in his weekend speech in arizona. his attack against science, and what an e.r. doctor has to say about it when we continue. now they can! this towel has already been used and it still smells fresh. pour a cap of downy unstopables into your washing machine before each load and enjoy fresher smelling laundry for up to 12-weeks.
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the former president once again invoked the big lie during a speech in arizona over the weekend, where to the surprise of really nobody, he came out forcefully behind the sham audit of million votes cast in and around phoenix in the last election, but science was also under attack, although he made a somewhat guarded promotion of the vaccine. kyung lah has the story. >> wrapping around the 5,000 seat theater in phoenix, arizona, a long line of donald trump's faithful. >> no mask. take off the mask. >> just 36% of the people in this county are vaccinated. case rates have more than doubled in the past two weeks. fueled by the more contagious delta variant.
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step inside with us at this indoor rally. we find data and reason is absent, but every seat is full. no social distancing or masks. as this crowd chants and sings. for hours. this rally is to support the lie that trump won arizona and the 2020 election. but it's also about this. >> no one should be forced to take a vaccine against their will. >> far-right politics is king here. science, the villain. >> came from a laboratory, and dr. fauci should be in prison for what he did over the last year. >> 2022 arizona republican candidates feed off ignorance. >> mothers don't let them mask our children again. >> they're all here for the headliner. >> ladies and gentlemen, please
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welcome the 45th president of the united states of america, donald j. trump. >> how about the vaccine? i came up with the vaccine. i recommend you take it, but i also believe in your freedoms 100%. >> what do you think of that behavior? >> extremely dangerous. and maybe it's not politically correct to say, it's stupid. dangerous and stupid. >> dr. actaur is an emergency room physician in phoenix and has been on the front lines of the covid battle since it began. >> what do you anticipate is going to be the impact of this? >> of the rally? there's going to be an increase in cases. there's no way with the delta variant there aren't people who don't have the coronavirus. this behavior is a cesspool for creating variants. >> how frustrating is this type
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of thing for you? >> if you make a dumb decision about your own health, on one level, you can say, well, it's your life. but when it's infectious disease that's this contagious and affects so many people, you're not just affecting yourself. you're affecting everybody around you. >> kyung lah joins us from scottsdale. in recent days, there's been a shift in conservative voices urging vaccinations. did you see any response to that this weekend? >> not in this crowd. it is so baked in, so part of the dna of the political conversation now, that it's really no, that's the answer. when you talk to them, the people in this particular crowd really view not having a mask, not having a vaccine as somehow making you more patriotic, and that's a real danger here, says the doctor. when we were also showing him this video, he says because this is such a strong mindset and a
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lot of the people there who were not wearing masks, he says some of them are elderly. some of them are overweight. he is hoping that they are vaccinated, but he has some serious questions about that, anderson. >> kyung lah, appreciate it. >> the biden administration has been doing its own polling of the unvaccinated since the spring to try to find out why they're hesitant. frank luntz has been working with the administration in an unofficial capacity. we should point out the beaumont foundation is helping to coordinate and fund the focus groups, and frank luntz joins us now. frank, thank you for being with us. i think it's really important what you're doing, and i'm really interested to hear from you what works to reach those of any political persuasion who for whatever reason are hesitant. what is the biggest challenge to getting people vaccinated? >> probably the biggest challenge is that they simply don't believe the information that they're being provided. that they have started to deny
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the data, forget the facts, and they simply refuse to be educated. and we have to be careful about this because skepticism is acceptable. people have the right to be nervous about a vaccine that has still not be fully approved by the fda. that said, we know that over 90% of the people in the hospitals are people who did not get vaccinated. we know that this vaccine is safe. we know that it works. that the government would even shut it down for six instances, six, out of tens of millions of people a couple months ago, who may have developed blood clots from it. so this is a very careful, very well researched, very well studied vaccine. and i'm going to give you four solutions. number one, for grandparents who all watching, it's time to call your grandkids. you know, the closest family relationship of all is grandparent/grandchild. they both have the same enemy. grandparents, call your
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grandkids, tell them to get vaccinated. second, teachers, we're about to have a back-to-school effort. we need teachers to call the parents themselves. call your class and say, you know what would be really great, if your students are vaccinated and i think you should get one, too. third, not just your own doctor, but pharmacists need to get involved because there are millions of people who trust their pharmacist when they are seeking medical information. and fourth, frankly, it's donald trump. and i want joe biden to specifically invite trump to the white house, say come on home, and you and i are going to ask people to get vaccinated. what we learned from the debeaumont, and you can see all of the research, everything is available on the website, we know that if biden and trump together make the request, that millions of people will listen to it. so let's try to make that happen. let's push trump to join joe biden and the two of them together say to the american
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people, we got the vaccine. we got it out to you. now use it. >> is it -- i understand, you know, everybody has freedoms to do what they want with their bodies. is it -- how effective a message do you think it's been from the former president this weekend saying, look, you know, i did the vaccine. you know, i'm very pleased with how i did it. i recommend you get it, but i also understand your freedoms. is that enough? >> no, it's not enough. it has to be more. and it also has to be about personal responsibility. you had on earlier tom frieden, dr. friedan, who is probably the best communicator in the country on this stuff. and anderson, i'm going to tell you something which probably you don't want to hear. but i would rather see tom frieden on the show than anthony fauci on the show because fauci has become so politicized. so polarized, that every time he speaks, he actually turns off
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people. we need more people, more experts like tom frieden who are active and know the data and know how to communicate it. it's personal responsibility, not some sort of national discussion, and the most important fact of all, if over 90% of doctors have been vaccinated, don't they know something that you may not know? because the problem is, they're trusting their cousin rather than their doctor. >> so it's interesting what you say about dr. fauci. because he's viewed, you're saying, through a political lens by a large segment of the population who are vaccine hesitant and refusing to take it, because he's been labeled that, then they discount anything he has to say. or in fact, do the opposite. >> exactly. and you're serious, and this is a serious show. by the way, it's 1:40 a.m. here in london, and i stayed up to make sure i could do this. if we're serious about it, it
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means we have to put the best spokespeople out there, and it also means we can't demonize the people that we're trying to win over. you don't hate people because they make the wrong decisions. you love them and try to educate them and try to move them. look, i get frustrated. and i acknowledge that in the last focus group i did. but we have got to do this. and so demonizing these people and then asking them to follow a proper course, they won't do it. >> you're right. you're absolutely right about that. one quick question. we had on last week in a report by a correspondent, ellie reave, in alabama, she talked to a mom whose -- excuse me, it was arkansas, she talked to a mom whose 8-year-old child got covid. according to the mom, was pretty sick, had a really high fever for weeks and weeks and weeks, the mom said, was still not feeling well. she wanted to take the child to a doctor to see what kind of damage was done. if anything more could be done
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to help. then ellie reave asked, well, are you now going to get vaccinated? to protect your other kids, and she said no, and the answer was, because she didn't trust the government. how do you reach her? without condemning, without, you know, naming -- calling names, just all that matters is her protecting those kids. >> we have so destroyed our democracy. we have done so much damage to this country. it's one of the reasons why i had to get out for a couple months. when science is so polarized and so political that you can't tell people the truth, that they won't listen to you, then you know the damage has been done. i'm afraid it's permanent. so i wish i could give you an answer, and i told you the four ways we can make a difference. anderson, we have damned this country. not to weeks or months, but years of this. it's not name calling. it's demonization and
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dehumanization and delegitimization, and god help us, because i think a lot of people are going to get sick. a lot of people are going to die. and god, i wish it had not happened. >> yeah, frank luntz, i appreciate what you're doing. thank you. coming up, a cnn exclusive investigation. multiple sources detailing what they believe are clear attempts to block investigators from learning who killed haiti's president. vo: the climate crisis is here. berardelli: these temperatures are almost unbelievable even for a meteorologist.
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it's been nearly three weeks since the assassination of haiti's president in his home. ever since, there's been a lot of unanswers questions about the investigation. tonight in a cnn exclusive report, you'll see how those who should be granted access to the seen has been kept away and even received death threats. the story from matt rivers. >> cnn has obtained a copy of a previously unseen formal
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complaint filed with haiti's national police in which several haitian court clerks, key figures in criminal investigations, detail the death threats they have received in the past few weeks. hey, clerk, you can wait for a bullet in your head. they gave you an order and you keep doing [ bleep ], read one text message. the threat comes from someone anonymous, angry that the clerk has not followed certain instructions about whom and what to investigate. >> the threats appear to be just one startling example of what appear to be consistent patterns of intimidation and a failure to follow procedure throughout the investigation into the president's death. cnn has spoken to multiple sources close to the investigation who detailed what they believe are clear attempts to block investigators and therefore the public from finding out more about who killed the president and why. starting just a few hours after the assassination, around 7:00 a.m. outside the presidential residence. sources tell cnn multiple court clerks were kept outside a police perimeter for more than three hours after arriving, even
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while other law enforcement was inside. normally, experts on haiti's legal system say, clerks enter a crime scene right away to officially document any evidence and to take statements from key witnesses, per haitian law. >> it's unclear why in this case they were delayed. when they eventually did make it into the presidential residence just down the street behind me, sources tell us not one of the roughly two dozen or so guards present at the time of the assassination were still there, meaning no witness statements were immediately taken. later on that day, there was a fierce gun fight between haitian security forces and some of the alleged assassins at this building. multiple suspects were killed, all of whom were colombian. sources close to the investigation tell us court clerks were not immediately allowed into the shootout scene, which would have been filled with evidence, including we're told, the bodies of the dead colombians. in an official document filed with haiti's top prosecutor, clerks describe examining the bodies not here at the shootout site but here, outside of an
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office building just down the road. that suggests the bodies had been removed from the crime scene before being processed. no official explanation of why that happened was given. >> where is the leadership of haiti? >> a few days later, authorities start to zero in on this man, as someone who allegedly recruited and helped organize some of these men seen here, the large group of colombians and several americans haitian officials allege carried out this crime. we haven't heard from them publicly. a source close to the investigation previously told cnn someone told investigators he is innocent. it was around this time that the anonymous phone calls started. according to the official complaint filed with police obtained by "cnn newsroom," clerks received multiple threatening phone calls telling them to stop investigating two suspects in the case and remove them from their reports. according to the complaint, the calls were followed by this text message. quote, they told you to stop going around searching people's houses and the president
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assassination case, and you refused. you have been told to take out two names, and you refused. we're watching you. sources close to the investigation tell us the clerks were also told to add unrelated names to their reports, people who had no clear connection to the crime. it's unclear who made any of the calls or sent the text messages. then there's what happened with the fbi. special agents from the bureau invited in by haiti's government went to the presidential residence about two weeks ago to collect evidence. sources tell us the agents managed to find a lot, including the mega phone used here. >> everybody back up. >> this is from the night of the assassination, where one of the suspects is keeping people away from the scene by claiming it was all a dea operation, something the agency and haitian officials repeatedly denied that it was. sources tell cnn fbi agents were a little surprised to find so much evidence still at the crime scene and left wondering why haitian authorities hadn't already collected it. the sources added they do expect
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the fbi will have continued access to evidence that they requested. >> and matt rivers joins us now. have authorities commented about the death threats? >> we have reached out to multiple government agencies, anderson. only one person got backtuse, haiti's top prosecutor who would only say he would try to improve the security for some of these investigators. we talked about this for weeks now. even after all that reporting we laid out, what don't we have? a motive for the reason why the president was killed, a mastermind behind that operation. what we do have is what very much appears to be a coordinated effort to keep some of those people who are seeking the truth from finding it. >> matt rivers, i appreciate it. up next, tom barrack, who headed the former president's inaugural committee, entered a plea to accusations of foreign lobbying. details ahead. on a formula only found in preservision. if it were my vision, i'd ask my doctor about preservision.
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tom barrack now, the former president man who headed his inaugural committee entered pleas today of not guilty. he is free on a staggering bail package worth around $250 million. he is only one of several people associated with the former president who have either been indicted, sent to prison, or are under legal scrutiny having once been in the former president's orbit. here are today's developments. what do we know about the conditions of the $250 million bail agreement? >> reporter: we know we'll start with the money first the judge saying this substantial $250 million agreement was quite substantial. he said it was sufficient to mitigate the risk of flight. that was the big question prosecutors had here not wanting
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tom barrack someone with a lot of international connections and money to potentially leave. as part of the arrangement barrack's ex-wife, his former business partner, and his son have backed up this bail package, this $250 million, and in addition to that he is also under other considerations here. he is going to have gps tracking, wearing an ankle bracelet. his travel is also restricted to portions of california, new york, and colorado. he can no longer use any private planes. he has to fly commercial. he cannot engage in any overseas fund transfers all getting at the heart of the issue where prosecutors are concerned barrack could flee. >> what happens if he doesn't comply? >> reporter: so the judge was very clear on this. he told barrack if he failed to show up to a court hearing a warrant would be issued for his arrest. he also made clear to him that his friends and family members who are supporting him could lose their homes. as part of barrack's bail package he is also posting some shares in the company that he
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owns, the judge telling him he would forfeit those shares if he violated any terms of bail and noting to barrack that would essentially wipe him out. now, after the judge had gone through all of the potential ramifications here, he said to barrack do you have any other questions? barrack said no, your honor. that was very clear. so certainly got the message there is a lot at stake. >> obviously probably too soon but i assume nothing we know about has changed on whether he might cooperate with authorities. >> reporter: right. it is still very early. it hasn't even been one week since he was arrested. tone from barrack's legal team today is he is innocent of the charges. they plan to go to the mat and take this to trial. it is still early days but that is the position they're staking out right now. >> all right. thank you. coming up next a sad but welcome milestone in the surfside condo disaster. - oh...oh. - what's going on? - oh, darn! - let me help. lift and push and push! there... it's up there. hey joshie... wrinkles send the wrong message.
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collapse have been identified bringing the official death toll to 98. the 54-year-old woman was the last victim unaccounted for and lived in unit 604. the oldest of three siblings she worked in the jewelry industry, loved to dance, and called herself cha-cha-cha on social media. she also enjoyed traveling and working out. on her blog the brooklyn native called herself a new yorker taking miami by storm in the most fabulous fashion. it was a long four-week wait for her family of course the sham plain towers south collapsed in the early morning hours of june 24th. her identification comes just days after firefighters wrapped up the recovery effort at the collapse site. the victims of the tragedy range in age from 1 to 92 years old. the site is now mostly cleared. the rubble has been moved to another location to be analyzed and searched for mementos. our thoughts are with all the families touched by this tragedy. the news continues. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo primetime."
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>> a moment, anderson, if you think about it that story is so poignant. and why? because it was senseless. she had no control over it, no choice, and now she is gone and her family is left to try and figure out why and we are obsessed with why? what happened? how could we not have it again? then here you and i are on the precipice of covering a whole new wave in the pandemic where it is all about choice, all about our collective ability to save ourselves from a worse fate. how do we care so much about one situation and have an opposite sense of feelings? i know it is complicated. we all care about her and the family and the others. probably well over a hundred at the end of it. we care and we don't want it to happen again yet here we are in the pandemic freely, freely something we're calling some perverse sense of freedom allowing ourselves to get sick. i never thought i'd see this. coop, thank you for reminding people of the right way to reer