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. happening now, the white house strikes a more urgent tone as the rapid spread of the delta virus sweeps across the country. some republican governors are sounding the alarm, saying it is time to start blaming the unvaccinated. tom barrack is getting out of jail. we're breaking down his $250 million bail deal. democrats vowing to get to the truth of the insurrection as the january 6th committee prepares for its first hearing this week. will a gop congressman help a panel get more visibility? wolf blitzer is off today. i'm jim acosta and you're in "the situation room." we begin with growing alarm over the assault on the unvaccinated. let's go to kaitlyn collins. new cdc data is giving the
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administration even more concern to be concerned tonight. >> yeah, jim because they're watching as this delta variant is fuelling these outbreaks you are seeing across the nation. with half of the nation not vaccinated. this new data shows the daily average of people becoming fully vaccinated is at the lowest point since january when people could actually start getting in line for the vaccine. and this is something, jim, not just causing concern here at the white house but also for leaders nationwide. a new sense of urgency in the white house tonight as the u.s. enters a troubling phase of the pandemic with officials nationwide voicing concern. >> we understand the frustration of leaders out there and public voices who are trying to say the right thing, save people in their communities. >> reporter: more than half the nation remains unvaccinated, allowing the highly contagious delta variant to spread like wild fire. >> we are the first to say and we have long said that that's
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not enough. we need to ensure more communities are vaccinated. >> reporter: president biden and his top aids are worried about the gains they have made are being erased while issues blunt warnings to the millions who remain unvaccinated. >> other communities where there is 40%, 50% or otherwise, that's not just a health issue. it is a huge health issue. it is an economic issue. >> reporter: new cases, hospitalizations and deaths are a fraction of what they were before vaccinations, but the numbers are still rising quickly. the u.s. is now averaging 43,000 new cases we are day, a 65% increase over the last week with cases topping 40,000 for the first time since may and 250 new deaths each day almost entirely among the unvaccinated. officials say the current surge from delta could have been avoided. with one health official telling cnn we are seeing the consequences of what we have been warning about. it's serious and it's spreading
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faster than was anticipated. booster shots aren't currently recommended by the fda, but the u.s. government has now purchased 200 million doses of pfizer's vaccine just in case. >> here's the bottom line. we have always prepared for every scenario. we don't know if we will need a booster shot. >> reporter: republican governors are pleading with their residents to get the shot. >> you have got to get vaccinated now. and, so, all i would say is this delta thing is coming. >> unvaccinated missouri residents are the primary target of this new covid-19 strain. >> reporter: alabama, one of the hardest hit, and now the least vaccinated state in the u.s. only 33.9% of residents are fully vaccinated as cases are double what they were a week ago. alabama's republican governor says she knows who to blame. >> the new cases in covid are because of unvaccinated folks. >> reporter: what is it going to take to get people to get shots in arms?
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>> i don't know. you tell me. folks supposed to have common sense. but it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. it is the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down. >> reporter: jim, the white house says they're not sure yet. they're still reviewing the data, but they are hopeful they are seeing some signs that these new cases driven by this delta variant are actually encouraging people to get the vaccine. so far people have been hesitant to get it. they are saying they are seeing it in areas with high case rates places like alabama and a few other states, they are seeing vaccinations have an uptick there, even if it is a gradual one. >> thanks for that report. now to los angeles where the county health director is raising a red flag about break-through covid cases. she says about 20% of new infections in the county are among vaccinated residents. nick watt is in los angeles. this is a concerning headline, but there is some important context here. give us the latest.
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>> reporter: yeah. well, jim, the headline is this, that in june more than 800 fully vaccinated people here in los angeles tested positive for covid-19. health officials say the number in july could be even higher, and they are pointing at the delta variant, calling it a game changer. that's all the scary stuff. here is the context. among those fully vaccinated people who tested positive, very, very few were hospitalized. most mild or asymptomatic. so that is the good news. the scary headline really kind of masks the real headline here, which is what kaitlyn was talking about. it is the delta variant spread amongst the unvaccinated. here in los angeles, highest case rates they have seen in months, and the vast majority of those people catching the virus are unvaccinated. what are they doing about it? like elsewhere in the country, they are encouraging more people to get the vaccine and also here in los angeles the mask mandate
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is back. indoors, even if you are vaccinated, you are supposed to wear a mask now. some law enforcement are saying they won't enforce that, but that is the message from health offi officials. they use this analogy to explain why. they say think of this pandemic as a weather event. heavy rain. so your umbrella is your vaccine. that keeps you pretty safe. until the winds pick up and the rain gets even heavier. that's the delta variant. then you are going to need a raincoat as well, and that is your mask. they want to stifle this delta variant as quickly as they possibly can here and across the country. jim? >> all right. let's stamp it out together. jim watt, thank you so much. let's bring in our pandemic experts, a member of the fda vaccines advisory committee and director of the vaccine center and a cnn legal analyst and
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emergency room physician. let me start with you first. you just heard from the governor of alabama, kay ivy, who said it is time to start blaming unvaccinated folks who are, quote, letting us down. i know people don't like pointing fingers and laying blame in that sort of thing. what do you think of that message? >> that's exactly the right message. the reason this virus continues to spread, continues to cause people to suffer and be hospitalized and die and continues to mutate with the possibility of making a more contagious variant or a variant that refuses immunity is because a critical population in this country is unvaccinated. we talk about booster dosing and other things. this is the problem. we need to vaccinate people who are unvaccinated or if not this is going to continue to spread and continue to cause harm. >> and we have shown these great maps from our excellent graphics team showing high vaccination rates in the northeast and midwest. that's where you are seeing lots of people fully vaccinated.
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and then lay that other map on screen. it shows where these coronavirus cases are spiking. they are in largely unvaccinated areas. the correlation is as simple as that, doctor. you have pointed out that although the great unknown right now is whether vaccinated people can transmit the coronavirus to others. how does that key question impact how we think about what it means to be vaccinated? i mean, it is obviously better to be vaccinated. we just saw those two maps. >> absolutely. and i think we should absolutely be emphasizing the importance of the vaccines while also giving more nuance than, say, if you are vaccinated you are protected. let's talk about what you are protected against. we know that vaccines protect you extremely well against severe illness. so you are very, very unlikely to end up in the hospital or to die once you are vaccinated. that's the purpose of the vaccine, to keep you from ending up severely ill. at this rate, though, we also know that there is a chance that
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you could get mild infection. we don't know what that number is because the cdc inexplikically stopped tracking these breakthrough infections. but if you are infected, is there a chance that you could then spread the infection to others, even if you are fully vaccinated? that's because with the delta variant we know now from studies that you are carrying 1,000 times the delta load. so if you are fully vaccinated, that reduces the viral load, but is it enough to prevent you from transmitting it to others. that's one of the reasons why you see many public health experts wearing masks indoors if we are around people we don't know are vaccinated or not because we want to use caution. >> right. we don't want to spread it to others even unknowingly even though we have been vaccinated. that's a great nuance to point out. new information, though, from israel's ministry of health in just the effectiveness of the
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pfizer vaccine against coronavirus is down to 39%. although, the vaccine does offer 91.4% prevention against severe illness. what should the take-away be? i suppose it is a bit of what dr. wen is saying, one of the benefits of getting the vaccine is that you don't get seriously ill. >> that's the most important point. this vaccine, in terms of protecting against the delta variant, protects against severe critical disease, keeps you out of the hospital. that's what you want. it is less effective, though, at preventing mild or asymptomatic or low, mod cat infections. for that reason, i think it is important also, as we move forward especially in the winter to wear masks. dr. wen made it a point that should be emphasized, which is the first virus that came out of china, which swept across europe and the united states killing hundreds of millions of people, it was -- it eventually -- what that was replaced by the alpha
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variant. the alpha variant was you shed ten times more variant. that's why it was more contagious. this is 100 times more than the alpha variant. that's how contagious. therefore, you don't need to have very long contact with people to get infected. it also means that because it is more contagious, you have to have a higher percentage of the population that's vaccinated. >> and the delta variant is leading to significant increases in the number of fully vaccinated people testing positive for the voi irus. does the administration need to do more to address the concerns of vaccinated people? because there are a lot of people at home who have a lot of questions about all of this legitimatically. >> right. and i think the administration needs to first acknowledge that breakthrough infections do happen, and acknowledging that does not undermine trust in the vaccine. i mean, that's like saying if you are wearing a seat belt and yet you still have an automobile
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accident, that set bets don't work. no. it means if there are wreckless drivers around you, the set belts could protect you a little bit. in this case, we should be emphasizing that the vaccines do work from preventing severe illness but that breakthrough infections can happen. the cdc needs to start giving us the answers to what is the rate of break-through infections. is it 1 in a thousand or 1 in 10. we really don't know what is the likelihood of that breakthrough infection ending up in a chain of transmission to others. >> and the important point is we call them break-through infections, but if you are vaccinated, it is likely you will not end up seriously ill or in the morgue. thank you so much for that sober analysis. we appreciate it. just ahead, the terms of tom barraks $250 billion bail deal. might they be considering a plea
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tonight a billionaire trump ally has cut a deal to get out of deal. tom barrack striking a $250 million bail agreement with prosecutors who called him a serious flight risk. paula, tell us more about this bail deal. this is an extraordinary amount of money. >> prosecutors agreed to this deal that would allow barrett to remain three. but this is quite a shift. federal prosecutors arguing he is a significant flight risk. they said, look, this guy has unlimited resources, a network and his codefendant fled the
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u.s. shortly after being interviewed by the fbi about this case. what changed? he has the best lawyers money can buy and they have been fsol low focussed on getting their client out of jail. their goal is to keep their 74-year-old billionaire client off of con air, and it appears they have been successful. some people have asked me: does this deal means he is cooperating or signal he will cooperate. my sources say no. at this time there is no indication he will cooperate with a state or federal case. >> prosecutors had enough evidence to charge him last year. members of congress are not happy about that. >> that's right. we reported earlier this week the federal prosecutors believed they had enough evidence to charge barrack last year, well in advance of the deadline
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prosecutors have where they're encouraged to bring cases too close to an election. but the u.s. attorney at the time in brooklyn, richard donahue, he didn't appear to support this case, neither did his boss, bill barr. he wasn't a big fan of these foreign lobbying cases. what's not clear is if donahue did anything to intentionally stall this case or the prosecutors working on it said, look, we don't want to bring it if it's not going to have the support of the boss or the boss' boss. now they're calling on the justice system to investigate. >> we'll see if we get answers. we'll bring in david aaronberg. dave, you have some experience with billionaires who get into hot water, i suppose, from time to time. what do you make of this $250 million bail deal? i guess it is good to be a billionaire. >> it sure is. in life and in the court system. but keep in mind, he is 74 years
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old, so that mitigates him as a flight risk. although, he does have a lot of money. he's got a private plane and he has extensive ties to the middle east, including to the uae and the saudis. both of those countries have no extradition agreement with the united states. so you can see why prosecutors are concerned. but here is something. the fact that prosecutors reached a deal with someone who is a clear flight risk, that often does mean that they think they could flip the defendant or at least cut a plea deal with them. now, we don't know, as paula said, if that's happening in this case, but it does lead to some speculation. and rightly so. >> giving up his passport, getting fitted with a gps monitor, that has to be sinking in right now. does he have time to flip and cooperate or would he have done that before posting this massive bail amount? >> oh, no. every day that he's facing ten years in prison for a violation of section 951 makes him think
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about flipping. at 74 years old, that could amount to a life sentence. remember, this is not a faira case. that's for failure to register as a lobbyist for a foreign entity. when you are talking about what barrack is charged with, it is far more serious. it is a crime working directly with a foreign government. it is also a crime referred to by some as espionage light. it is what maria butina was charged with, the russian spy. so this is really serious for barrack. and the uae used them as their own pseudo ambassador because he was so well connected. they asked him to develop a special 100-day policy proposal. that goes beyond just lobbying. one other thing. he was so dumb to lie to the federal investigators. and now they hit him with lying and obstruction of justice.
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that could add on many more years and prove the other c charges. >> yeah, paul. the charges of lying to investigators, that's not going to sit well. >> not at all. >> that is something they will take seriously. >> again, this is someone with the best lawyers money can buy. he has unlimited resources, which is why he doesn't really have to cooperate. some people believe they're not guilty, but they can't afford to defend themselves against the resources of the justice department. but he made this case a lot harder for his attorneys by lying to the fbi and trying to obstruct this investigation. >> we have seen liars go to jail before. thanks so much for those insights as always. coming up, after a tumultuous week, what should we look for when the house select committee takes testimony in its house investigation. that's next.
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get started today. the countdown is on to the first testimony before the january 6th committee. four days from now nancy pelosi is looking to bolster the standing following a republican boycott. cnn congressional correspondent ryan nobles has the latest on that. ryan, what is the status of pelosi's search to add republicans to the committee? it sounds like it might happen, just haven't seen it yet. >> the speaker not tipping her hand as to her plans, even late on friday afternoon, just a couple days before this hearing took place, she sent a letter to all of her colleagues setting the stage for what this committee will do when they begin their work next tuesday. that reads, quote, the committee established the key priority to
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begin with the testimony of patriots who served and sacrificed on that dark day, each as a hero and each will bring powerful testimony about the truth of that day. and it's no doubt the clear effort here by the democrats that are running this select committee that they want to establish exactly what happened on that day, the truth of what went on here on january 6th by hearing directly from these front line officers from the capitol police department, from the metropolitan police department who were beat up and attacked by this riot. of course, jim, the big question becomes, though, who will be those asking the questions on that day? we know that there are eight members already established, seven of them are democrats. just one right now is republican. that big liz cheney. but we know that the speaker is actively considering adding more republican voices to that conversation. among them, adam kinzinger, the republican from illinois who has been of course a big critic of the former president donald trump and a critic of his fellow
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republicans that have attempted to whitewash what happened on january 6th. and pelosi also in talks with former republican members of congress to serve in advisory capacity. at this point, though, pelosi has not made that formal step of inviting kinzinger and perhaps others to join the panel in official capacity. we'll have to see if that announcement comes over the weekend. but, jim, we are now closing out on a couple of days before that hearing begins. it is clear that no matter what, pelosi and house democrats are ready to move forward with or without republican help. jim? >> it's coming. thank you so much. joining me now, congressman jason crow, a democrat who serves on the house intelligence and armed services committees. thank you for being with us. you thought you would have to fight your way out of the house chamber on january 6th. what do you hope people can take away from this select committee
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hearing with testimony from these four officers who put their lives on the line that day? >> yeah. hi, jim. thanks for having me. i did feel like i would have to fight my way out. like many of us who are trapped in the house gallery that day, we made calls to our loved ones, to our family. we didn't know what was going to happen. i haven't felt that way since i was an army ranger and in afghanistan. the bottom line is we will do our duty to protect the american people against this growing, violent extremist movement to make sure this doesn't happen again because voters cast their votes and had to have those votes certified as we have for hundreds of years in this democracy. this insurrection tried to prevent that certification from happening. it failed to do that. we will make sure that never happens again, and we have a duty to those officers. over 140 who were brutally beaten. one who lost a life as a result of his injuries. one who later took his life after the event. we have an obligation to find
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the truth, to hold those responsible accountable and to make sure that we fix this. >> and congressman, one of the officers who will testify tuesday is expected to say january 6th was worse than anything he experienced serving in iraq. you also served in iraq and afghanistan. how does that resonate with you? >> yeah. it certainly resonates because i got back into combat mode, frankly, that day. you know, i never thought -- when i took the uniform off, i never thought i would be back in that mind set. frankly, i'm resentful and dealing with the emotions of that. i have since become a parent, a father, you know, a veterans advocate, a member of congress. i thought i had left that life behind me. but that day my mind was thrust back into that mode. i had to go back there, a place i never thought i would have to go again, thinking about fighting my way out. i at one point thought about asking an officer for his firearm because i knew i could use it and protect me and my
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colleagues when it came to that. so that was a very difficult place to be and i'm still working through that. but that's what happened. that's the truth. this was not just another day. not just another tour despite the fact that some people want to sweep this under the rug. it was a brutal, dark day. it was an insurrection and attack against our democracy, as well as against members of congress and police officers and the staff of the capitol. >> we can see congressman jim hines tweeted out, put out there is you right there. there you are right there, you know, hiding -- taking cover and wondering what to do next with other fellow lawmakers. it just must have been a harrowing situation. i can understand why it is staying with you to this day. but let me ask you. congressman adam kinzinger has privately said we understand he would serve on the select committee if he's asked. do you think the speaker should offer that position on the
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committee? >> well, i'm not going to, you know, say who should and shouldn't be on the committee. i have a lot of respect for adam kinzinger. he's a serious person. he's somebody that i think takes his oath seriously. to be clear, i don't agree with him on politics most of the time. but i do think he would take his obligations to the constitution and the country seriously and, you know, this is a committee that needs serious people because it is serious work. this is not a game. this is not a political circus. we're not going to allow it to become a political circus because the american people deserve better. i'm confident that the speaker will choose people who will be disciplined, that will be clear eyed and focussed on the task at hand and discharge the obligations of this office and do right by the people and those offices. >> all right. we will be watching next week to see how this hearing plays out. congressman jason crow, we appreciate your insights as well. we know you will be watching it.
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thanks again. >> thanks, jim. >> all right. i appreciate what you did that day as well. just ahead, the stadium was mostly empty. the pandemic hasn't gone away, but the olympics officially opened today. we'll go live in tokyo next. inc, resume building and more. that's our promise to you. that's career services for life. learn more at phoenix.edu. all the time in the world.
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tokyo olympic games are officially underway. 950 vips were on hand to witness the opening ceremonies, but the stadium was mostly empty. spectators were not allowed because of the coronavirus pandemic. we're joined by a columnist for usa today and dr. sanjay gupta. they're both in tokyo. i know you guys are dealing with a lot just reporting from over there. so thank you so much for what you are doing. sanjay, you attended the opening ceremony as a doctor, a journalist, but also one of very few people able to take in the olympic games in person. tell us about what experience. what was it like? >> well, you know, i mean, as you have heard so many times
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over this past week, it was strange. it was weird in many ways. it was magnificent for the event itself, and that olympic stadium, that national stadium which they built is a really majestic place, jim, i got to tell you. but it is this tale of two cities. you have the excitement of the olympics and the anxiety of the pandemic. people in japan said stay home, watch this thing on your television. when i was outside, there are tons of protests and it was very loud, people on the stroeets. i want to show you this video i took on my phone as i was walking in. going from the streets with lots of protests, lots of noise, come around the corner and there is just basically that's it. it's totally quiet. i don't know if you can make that out. >> sure can. >> but that was just a few minutes before the beginning of the opening ceremony. and there was nobody there.
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walked in, and there was nobody to tell you where to sit even because there was -- you know, there was nobody sitting in those seats. there is no vendors or swag or shouting. it was really, really quiet. the stadium itself, magnificent. you can just see the future potential of what they have built there. >> yeah. >> but on that night last night there just wasn't a lot going on. >> and it is just so eerie. you covered every opening ceremony since 1984. how do these games feel to you? this is just stunning what sanjay was showing us a few moments ago. i mean, you can almost hear the crickets. >> you could. there was so few people, sanjay, i don't believe we didn't bump into each other. but it was the most unique since i have covered going back to 1984. it was really fitting. the olympics is trying to go on in the middle of a global pandemic. there was the hope that we would
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be coming out of the pandemic, that things would be getting better when they pushed the olympics back a year. instead, we're back in the middle of it. it reflected it. it was somber. it was sad. it was reflective. and i'm afraid that's going to be the story of these games. the exuberance from the athletes, you saw them jumping in and whatever, running around. that was nice to see. but overall, most of those athletes got out of there as quick as possible. there was a lot of mingling going on and they got those athletes out of there on busses, back to the villages has quickly as possible. >> i'm sure they did. 110 covid-19 cases have been linked to the 2020 games so far. what is your sense on the ground? are these mitigation efforts working? >> i want to be, you know, fair here, jim. i talked to lots of people about this, including the chief medical adviser to the ico about this. these numbers obviously are concerning, and they have been going up, as you know. i think one thing that they have
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sort of really emphasized is the testing that they're doing within the village. it is hard to maintain a bubble as we have talked about. you have thousands of people coming from all over the world. so the idea of a bubble like they did with the nb brkba i ths next to possible. but the testing does make a difference and the tracing. so the biggest thing they're looking for is to see if there is evidence of any of these break-through infections we're talking about actually starting to leave the village, starting to transmit into the local population. that is a criteria for them, as they have explained it to me. that if they started to see that, that would signal to them they need to start pulling things back within the olympic village themselves. so these exposures and positive numbers we're seeing reflect exposures that happen before they got to the village. we'll see. we'll trace these numbers over the next several of weeks. but that's their working theory
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right now. they're testing people every day. >> and how are the athletes responding to the measures in place right now? >> oh, they know this is what they have to do, jim. they have so thankful for the opportunity to be here. it is a different perspective than what we think they have. instead of focussing on the negatives, they're focussing on the fact they have this chance at all. they're willing to be able to do it. the u.s. olympic team has 100 unvaccinated athletes, almost 100 unvaccinated athletes. i was working on that story yesterday. that's stunning when you think about it. 100 of them who chose not to get vaccinated, as i said, nearly 100. 96, 97, 98. we're not quite sure of the number of the 613 american athletes here. talk about being bad guests. you know, you are coming to japan. you are around your teammates, the contact tracing. it's an amazing story that so many chose not to be vaccinated
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coming into a country that is the very definition of a covid hot spot. >> yeah. and we appreciate what you guys are doing to come to the games. thanks as always. we appreciate it. coming up, the gun violence epidemic hits a popular restaurant row here in d.c. the police chief here in washington says he's mad as well. the details next. online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car, and say hello to the new way at carvana.
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america's gun violence epidemic is hitting close to home. gunfire erupted outside some popular d.c. restaurants appropriating diners to take cover. as you may have heard, i was there when it happened.
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grabbed my phone and took some video as i got a scary taste of what too many people have been experiencing in this country in all kinds of neighborhoods. brian todd has more on this troubling summer of shootings. seems like it's playing out every night and day across the u.s. isn't that right? >> they really are, jim. today the white house press secretary weighed in saying that washington is one of those cities getting federal help in its attempt to fight gun violence. we began in nationals park. we ended here at the scene of increased police presence, the scene of another firing at a public venue. rapid fire give up shots. this video recorded by cnn's jim acosta shows people in a popular dining and bar area in d.c. scrambling for cover as two people are shot and wounded on the street. a witness said it all infolded
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in about a minute. >> the guns are shooting like all over. you could see it hitting the ground. it was semiautomatics. it sounded like a war zone. >> d.c.'s police chief says at least one of those injured appeared to be targeted in thursday's shooting. his frustration with the gun violence in his city palpable today. >> people are mad shooting at a very public venue in washington. gunfire between two vehicles that injured three people just outside national's park in the middle of a game between the washington nationals and san diego padres. >> 8-4. >> panic stricken fans scrambled toward concourses and dugouts thinking it was a mass shooting in the stadium. in other recent shootings in washington and philadelphia, a 6-year-old girl on a scooter and a 1-year-old boy was randomly struck by gunfire. tonight, america's summer of gun violence shows no signs of waning, so far this year, new
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york, los angeles and the san francisco bay area have seen a rise in homicides from the same point last year. chicago and d.c. are about on pace with where they were last year. city officials and crime analysts site many reasons. >> we are seeing more people paying attention to these acts of violence in public. we're seeing more people outside because of the lifting of restrictions connected to the pandemic. people are dining at restaurants at outdoor eating establishments and so that's likely to be places where shooters may show up. >> but d.c. police chief robert conte sites a clogged court system allowing more dangerous people on the street. >> let's think about the individuals we locked up in 2020 during covid that have not been through a judicial process. where do you think those individuals are today? out in community. they're out in community right now, individuals that have been locked up for violent crime.
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individuals locked up with firearms are in our communities toda today. >> reporter: illegal gun trafficking in the cities is a sited reason for the continuing violence. the justice department launching strike forces based in several major cities to disrupt those trafficking networks. one of the biggest challenges, tracking so-called ghost guns. >> they are sort of self-manufactured guns or have identifications have been removed, filed off. they're very difficult to trace. >> reporter: criminologiest said those being set up by the justice department, we shouldn't expect them to bring gun violence drops. they take time to work sources, share intelligence and move on it. he said it might bring results in six months or a year or 18 months. jim. >> brian todd, thank you very much for that report. >> coming up next, donald trump prepares to take his big lie to arizona. we'll get a fact check from
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former president trump will be in arizona this weekend to peddle his baseless conspiracy theories about voter fraud. his go-to excuse for losing the 2021 election. we're joined by the arizona secretary of state katy hobb seeking the nomination. how dangerous is it for donald trump to be coming to your state tomorrow, do you think? >> well, it is dangerous. i'm glad you pointed that out. the bottom line is it doesn't matter what he says or does, nothing is going to change the
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outcome of the 2020 election. but it also doesn't change how dangerous this is. the bottom line is that arizonians are tired of being led by conspiracy theorists and don't support this fake audit and tahey're ready for leaders that are going to put those partisan games aside and deal with real issues. that's why i'm running for governor and folks can join kat >> "the washington post" reports former president trump's political pact hasn't put any money towards that effort. what does that tell you? >> well, i think that what we don't know is who is actually putting money towards this. they've been using this as a fundraising mechanism. don't know where the money is coming from and don't know where it's going and how much there is, and that is, you know, this is a post election audit that's
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l legitimate and this is a tool for someone to continue to raise money off of. >> and so what is your message to donald trump ahead of this rally? don't come? >> well, i mean, like most grownups, take your loss and accept it and move on. nothing will change the out come and really, this is nothing more than being a sore loser. >> and what do you think is going to be the outcome in your state after this audit is complete? are you going to have to go around and educate people about, you know, how this was just a phony bologna exercise? >> we've been doing that all along. it's been clear from day one the folks run thing exercise don't know what they're doing. it is so fraught with errors and problems that there is really no way they could come up with a legitimate outcome or result and at this point, who knows how long it's going to go on because as i mentioned, they continue to
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fund raise off of it, and, you know, we don't know what it's going to wrap up. >> all right. well, we hope it wraps up soon and they end this and move on with their lives. katie hobbs, appreciate it. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. have a great weekend. "outfront" next, the perfect storm as covid cases surge among the unvaccinated and vaccination rates continue to plunge as the white house tracks the troubling trend. plus, cnn just speaking to the new capitol police chief. his response to republicans that claim the january 6th rioters acted like tourists and trump using the big lie to bring in huge money. so far, that money reportedly not going where his supporters think it's going. let's go "outfront". good evening. i'

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