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the concern is over the heat that melted some of seattle's i-5 last month. >> the material properties -- >> reporter: shane underwood researches asphalt at north carolina state. he says with the world getting hotter, road crews should start laying down asphalt that is more heat resistant. >> if temperatures are greater than we presume they would exist when the pavement was designed, this can happen more frequently. >> reporter: all of this comes at a cost, the port authority spent $2 billion recovering from hurricane sandy alone. a new study says climate change intensified the storm, increasing damage costs by an extra $8 billion. >> we need to have more climate resilient infrastructure and we need to stop climate change from getting any worse. >> reporter: even airlines say this is something they're dealing with. united airlines scott kirby says the entire industry needs to get better at reacting to extreme weather. the airlines will be at new ways to detect lightning.
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the goal is to avoid stopping operations on the ground and avoid delays. pete muntean, cnn, silver spring, maryland. ♪ hello i'm brianna keilar alongside john avlon on this new day. >> good morning. >> good morning. the pandemic of the unvaccinated. an urgent call from one republican governor in the face of rising cases and low vaccination rates. and the nfl threatening big punishments for teams with unvaccinated players as they head into the new season. president biden says eliminating the filibuster would throw the senate into chaos. and hunter biden meeting with potential buyers at his upcoming art shows, raising ethics concerns for the white house.
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♪ welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. it is friday, here we are, at the end of the week. >> here we are. >> finally. >> it is july 23rd. and we are 18 months now into the pandemic. more than 600,000 americans have died so far, even with a safe and effective vaccine available. and we find ourselves entering this new deadly phase of a crisis that is now being fueled by the unvaccinated. half of the states in the country are falling behind the national average for vaccinations. alabama is at the bottom of this list, just a third of its residents are fully vaccinated. prompting this blunt assessment from the republican governor. >> folks supposed to have common sense. but it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. it's the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down. >> that is blunt talk.
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but this pandemic was all but suppressed 30 days ago. without vaccine hesitancy, it could be crushed today. so what's behind this vaccination gap? let's bring in cnn's senior data reporter, harry enten to answer all our questions. harry, good to see you, as always, my friend. what's the big picture view on what we're seeing play out in areas of the country where people are vaccinated versus not vaccinated? >> john, it's a pretty simple picture as far as i'm concerned. this is the new coronavirus cases seven-day average. look at this, top 25 most vaccinated states we have 7 new cases per 100,000 residents on average. look at the bottom 25 most vaccinated states, look at that, 16 new cases per 100,000. so double the new cases in the bottom 25 vaccinated states versus the top 25 vaccinated states. so if you're looking for one number that gives you an indication that the vaccines are working, this clearly shows the most vaccinated states having half the cases than the bottom
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25 most vaccinated states. >> and then there's the additional factor of severity. the same pattern apply to those who contract the virus requiring hospitalization? >> it absolutely does, john. so look here. this is the u.s. coronavirus current hospitalizations. look at that. the top 25 most vaccinated states, just 5 per 100,000. the bottom 25, look at that, more than double that. 11 per 100,000. so again, you see in the hospitalizations when you look at the state level, but we can also zoom in on the individual level. and i think this gives you a very good understanding of what's going on. so this is the current coronavirus hospitalizations by vaccination status. and look at that. in the share, look at this, 3% vaccinated at the hospitalizations versus 97% of them are unvaccinated. so we see it on the state level with the states that are most vaccinated having lower hospitalizations and we see it on the individual level as well with most of the people in the hospital being unvaccinated at
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this point, john. >> that's the key stat. now, the grim reality is that death is a lagging indicator. are we also seeing more deaths among the unvaccinated? >> yeah. you know, this is exactly true. look at this. this is the june coronavirus deaths. this was a stat from anthony fauci. look at that. the share by vaccination status, less than 1% of the deaths in june were among the vaccinated. more than 99%, i'm going to underline this number because it's so important, more than 99% of the coronavirus deaths were among the unvaccinated. we see it in cases. we see it in hospitalizations and deaths. if you get vaccinated your chance of having a case, hospitalization or most severe outcome a death significantly lower if you're vaccinated versus unvaccinated. >> this is clear, it isn't complicated at the end of the day. lastly, what is the impact of the political divide that permeates everything on this? >> sure. this also is key. look at this. one of the most blue states in
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the nation, maryland. one of the most red states in the nation, tennessee. look at this. the vaccines work no matter where you are in the country. this is coronavirus deaths. in june, in maryland, 100% were among the unvaccinated. in tennessee, mid may to mid june, 98% of the deaths were among the unvaccinated. so red state or blue state, get your vaccines bauds it works throughout the country. it works. it just works, john. get a vaccine. it could save your life. >> it sure could and the data don't lie. harry enten, thank you very much. >> data never lies, my friend. as variant cases rise, sources are telling cnn that the white house and the cdc are considering revising mask recommendations for vaccinated americans. let's talk about this with former acting director of the cdc dr. richard besser the president and ceo of the robert wood johnson foundation. doctor, thank you so much for being with us to talk about what
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i think is on so many people's minds today. do you think the cdc should bring back masking guidance for vaccinated americans? >> well, what i think, brianna, we're hearing from cdc and we heard it throughout is that local conditions need to drive a lot of what's going on. as you just saw in the data, in areas where vaccination rates are low, in area where disease is on the rise and is quite high, local officials may want to put in place different guidance and you'll see in a place the opposite, high vaccination coverage rates and transmission is low. and the reason for that is that, you know, if you're a business and you have people coming into your business, you don't know who is coming into that business, whether they're vaccinated or not. and while a person who is fully vaccinated, as we just heard in all that data, has great protection, those who aren't vaccinated, those who can't be vaccinated, whether they're
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children or people with immune problems, they are at risk being around people who are unvaccinated. so you may see some changes there. what i think you're going to see is a call for people to respond locally. we have already seen a number of states put in place prohibitions around masking. that's something that should never be in place. local officials should be able to respond based on the local conditions. >> so it sounds like you're saying that localities should be more nimble about issuing guidance when it comes to masks and vaccinated americans. so then we're still talking about cases where vaccinated americans who have been enjoying not wearing masks may be told that they should put them back on in certain situations? sorry. go on. >> i think with that, brianna, we have to be honest that we're asking people who are fully vaccinated basically to sacrifice because it's so hard to enforce vaccination -- mask wearing based on vaccination
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status. you do get some additional protection and we have seen some mild breakthrough cases. that's some added benefit. but if we had a fully vaccinated population or highly vaccinated population, we wouldn't be talking about needs for putting in place mask mandates again. >> look, you know there are going to be a lot of vaccinated people and we heard from them, you know what, if i need to i'll wear a mask but give me a break. i have to wear a mask when someone who is unvaccinated won't get a vaccination. is that really fair? >> yeah. i hear that. i hear that. and i think it's why we have to really double and triple down on the efforts to get people vaccinated. one of the things that is proving to be very effective is if you've been vaccinated, talk to your friends and family members who haven't. and explain why. what pushed you to make that decision to get vaccinated? who did you talk to? encourage people to talk to their doctors. those trusted sources are proving to be very effective at
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increasing vaccination rates. and in those states with the highest number of cases right now, we're also seeing now -- starting to see an uptick in the highest vaccination -- new vaccination rates, so people are responding to what's going on in their community. >> we're seeing people also quite frankly who are not. for instance, cbs interviewed a louisiana man who got covid. and he wound up in the hospital with pneumonia. and he said that he would rather be ill than get vaccinated. let's listen to him. >> here i am recovering, getting out of here finally tomorrow. am i going to get a vaccine? no. >> why not? >> because there's too many issues with these vaccines. >> if you would have had a chance to get the vaccine and prevent this, would you have taken the vaccine? >> nope. >> so you would have gone through this? >> i would have gone through this, yes, sir. don't shove it down my throat. that's what's local, state, federal administration is trying
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to do is shove it down your throat. >> what are they shoving, the science? >> no. they're shoving the fact that that's their agenda. their agenda is to get you vaccinated. >> we also heard from my colleague elle reeve who interviewed a woman who said that her daughter had been sick from covid, her young daughter, and continues to be sick. right? it sounds like her daughter has some long haul symptoms and yet she, the women will not get vaccinated. beyond doctors encouraging people to get vaccinated, sit time to require vaccines in business settings and other settings? >> well, one thing i think it's really important is to not paint all of the people who have been -- who have not gotten vaccinated with the same brush. there are a lot of different factors here. you know, here in new jersey we have a very high overall vaccine coverage rate. in the town i'm in princeton, 76% of adults are fully vaccinated. the next town over, trenton, closer to 45%. and that's not based on the sense of politics and it being
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shoved down people's throat. it has to do with long histories of mistrust and disrespect by the healthcare system. and in those settings, reaching people with trusted voices, you're seeing an increase among latino populations when you bring vaccine to people, people who may have distrust in coming forward to the healthcare system. you see uptake. people with disabilities who are home bound. if you reach them at home, they'll get vaccinated. but as your report said, there's some people you won't reach and you have to just recognize that. but if we can get those people who are still movable, we are going to see slow, steady uptake. and what we do this summer, will determine what this fall and winter looks like, what it will be like for kids going back to school and what it will be like this winter when there are other viruses circulating. i wouldn't give up on the efforts to encourage vaccination. i do believe there are certain settings, colleges, universities, where you should require vaccination per attendance. >> federal employees? >> well, federal employees, you
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know, there i think you need to look at some of the legal issues and see what you are able to do. healthcare settings i think it should be required. at our foundation, to come to work in the building, we're requiring vaccination. it is an important thing to look at. and what we have seen with childhood immunization, i'm a pediatrician, is that when a vaccine is required, a lot of people who have been on the fence, really don't want to get it, but they don't care that passionately, they bring their children in and they get vaccinated. and so you do see an increase in vaccination rates. >> we will be watching. we'll be watching this especially come fall with school. dr. richard besser, thank you. this whole debate is playing out in the nfl, which is now doing its part to encourage vaccinations among players by rolling out new penalties for teams with covid outbreaks this season. commissioner roger goodell saying if a team cannot play a game because of an outbreak among unvaccinated players or staff, that team will have to
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forfeit. the game can't be rescheduled. players from both teams will also forfeit their salaries. the team responsible for the outbreak will also face further financial penalties. to date, 78% of nfl players received at least one dose of a covid-19 vaccine. and 14 of the 32 nfl teams have reached the 85% vaccination threshold. joining us now to discuss is george martin, super bowl xxi champion and the former president of the nfl player's association. it's good to see you, sir. so what's your reaction to this nfl policy? do you think it's appropriate or too harsh? >> well, john, i think on the surface i totally agree with it. i think there should be some penalty for twhoez will not conform and there should be some overt protection for those people who have conformed. where i do disagree, john, i don't think that the teams that who are affected by those who break the rules should be penalized equally. i don't think that's fair. >> what you're saying is the
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secondary measure, you know, where you're punishing the other teams, that's too much, even though the team that has the outbreak would get additional penalties. but isn't this a step in perhaps a necessary step to avoiding those canceling of games as well as additional outbreaks that we saw last season. >> yeah. i think it's an affirmative step. i think it's something that should be implemented. i think it should be supported strongly by the ownership as well as the union. but i think that there is some conflict there and i think that therein lies a problem because if there's a way for guys to wiggle out of this and exercise their individual freedom, yet infringe upon those people who are conforming, i don't think that's fair at all. >> that's the issue, right? but many issues have come out criticizing the nfl. cardinals wide receiver deandre hopkins now deleted tweet went to far as to request his future with the league around this. what's fascinating, i understand you used to be a vaccine skeptic, now you're not. but what would you say? what do you say to those players that are still holding out, still unvaccinated?
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>> well, i think first of all you have to look at it's a life or death measure. it's that important. and to go without the vaccine risks everything that you have. i think it's better to ere on the side of caution or not. it's an act of lunacy here we have an answer to the greatest scourge that we know in our lifetime and people are afraid or refuse to participate and take the vaccine. that to me is insanity. >> indeed one of the definitions is doing the same thing regardless of changing facts. we have changing facts. now you are a former president of the player's association, which negotiated with the league that vaccinations would be up to individual players. so, do you think the league can and should mandate, just straight out mandate, that staff and players be vaccinated? >> unequivocally yes. it's something that should be mandated across the board. my former position was the
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president of the nfl player association i disagree what they negotiated with the league on that point. i think it should be something that should be mandated. it should be mandatory across the board to include both coaches and administration and certainly the players. >> george martin, thank you very much for joining us on "new day." >> it's my pleasure. right now republicans are all about preserving the filibuster, but if they regain control of the senate next year, might mitch mcconnell pull a 180 and ditch it? and a growing number of u.s. diplomats are falling victim to havana-syndrome-like attacks. now the inspector general for the cia is stepping in. among my patients i often see them have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity and gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. (realtor) the previous owners left in a hurry, so the house comes with everything you see.
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republicans wielding the filibuster to block much of his domestic agenda. here is what he said at this week's cnn town hall. >> if it's a relic of jim crow, it's been used to fight against civil rights legislation historically. why protect it? >> there's no reason to protect it other than you're going to throw the entire congress into chaos and nothing will get done. >> but what happens if republicans regain control of the senate in the mid term elections or beyond? well, joinings now kristen powers and scott jennings. and scott served as an adviser for several of senator mitch mcconnell's re-election campaigns. great to have you both. kristen, you believe that mitch mcconnell might all of a sudden sew some ethics and end the filibuster. that's a big statement. tell us why you think that. >> i think he would do it if it was to his benefit. the only reason he wouldn't do
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it if it wasn't to his benefit. look, republicans they already have -- we already have judicial nominations which is what's most important to mitch mcconnell. republicans don't pass as much legislation as democrats do, so i think that that would be the only reason he wouldn't do it. but my point is, if it was good for him, as it would be good for the democrats to do right now, he would do it in a second. he wouldn't think twice about it. this idea also that joe biden has that it would throw things into chaos, like, we're in chaos right now. nothing is getting done. nothing has gotten done in a long time. and so, on very critical issues that the democrats need to move on like voting rights. and so i think that if it was mitch mcconnell he could do it in a second. >> scott, do you think he would? >> no. anyone suggesting otherwise with all due respect has no idea what they're talking about. i've known the man 25 years. i communicate with him frequently. i know his views on this very
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well. he is steadfast supporter of the legislative filibuster and if he was going to get rid of it, when would it have been good for him? they just had the majority. they had donald trump as the president, who was beating on mitch mcconnell and the republicans to get rid of it every single day. publicly and privately. and they never did it. it would have been good for them. it would have been easy for them to do it then. to give into donald trump. they would have faced no political repercussions whatsoever. and yet it's still here. the hypocrisy on this issue is on the democratic side. 30 plus democrats who sit in the senate today signed a letter during the trump years saying we have to have the filibuster, preserve it at all costs. now you see them on tv and on the weekends saying how we have to get rid of it. by the way, the idea that nothing is getting done, how many trillions of dollars have we spent in the last several months, plenty is getting done in washington, d.c. this is a totally, terribly wrong-headed idea.
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let me be straight with you guys, i'm the one who knows him, he will never get rid of the legislative filibuster. >> i want to give you credit. you do know mcconnell very well. he did resist direct pressure from donald trump to get rid of the filibuster when they briefly had full control of washington, but you know, mcconnell is an institutionalist but also can be an opportunistic. i found this quote from 2005 when mcconnell is the senate majority whip. democrats are in the senate. and they were blocking some of then george w. bush's filibuster. mcconnell advocated before harry reed the so-called nuclear option saying this -- the majority in the senate is prepared to restore the senate's traditions and prez dense to ensure regardless of party any president's judicial nominees after full and fair debate receive a simple up or down vote on the senate floor. it's time to move away from advise and obstruct and get back to advise and consent.
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i mention that only to say there was a time in his career, same man, same senator, when he was before the escalation that we're currently living with seemed very open to mending if not ending the filibuster. >> he has never been open to ending or mending the legislative filibuster. >> the legislative filibuster. there were judicial wars going back into the bush years when the democrats did start this blockaid of bush's judicial nominees. harry reed tripped the nuclear option and then they of course extended to the supreme court. that's all been regarding confirmations on judicial. but where you've had broad agreement between the parties, joe biden, mitch mcconnell, democrats, republicans, people who have come and gone, people who are still there, you've had broad agreement that the legislative filibuster is a necessary piece of the senate. it's part of the way it works. it helps drive bipartisanship and consensus and the idea that because we have a different
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president now that democrats should trip it, republicans totally reject and they have credibility on it because they stood up to donald trump on this during the trump years. so to call them opportunists or the idea they would change their mind -- >> give me a break -- i mean, scott. >> i can't believe they would do it in the future. >> like your absolute self righteous rant now -- >> hold up. let's not make it personal. >> how i don't know anything, anybody who disagrees with you doesn't know anything. the way you're trying to portray mitch. you said anybody who says this doesn't know what they're talking about. the point is who anybody who disagrees with you and anybody who doesn't have your view of mitch mcconnell, let's be honest, maybe you have a different view of him because of your closeness to him, he is not this paragon of ethics that you are putting forward that he is unchangeable. he is somebody who understands
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power and puts power first. and i don't necessarily mean that in a bad way. sometimes it's a good thing. if you're for him. sometimes it would be nice to see democrats do the same thing. but i just reject the idea that he is somehow not a person that if he was put in the position where it would be good for republicans that he would completely reject it. if he's rejected it, it's because it's not good for republican. >> would it have been good for republicans under trump? >> that's my point. he does what's good for republicans. and if he's not doing it, it's because it's not good for republicans. he doesn't necessarily put institutionalism above things. and we don't have bipartisanship. just because something gets passed does not mean we have a functional government right now. >> i mean, we had trillions of dollars that have gone out the door. we're on the brink on an
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infrastructure deal appears to be attracting some support from republicans and democrats. the idea that washington isn't functional when people are getting checks, when money is going out the door, when we -- >> when black people have a hard time voting, for example? >> when we had operation warp speed. >> what about voting rights? >> it's just not the things that you want. >> what about democracy, what about january 6th? >> just because what you want isn't happening doesn't mean nothing is happening. >> maybe i shouldn't have said nothing. some things are happening but some very important things aren't happening. >> it's just not what you want. this is the hypocrisy in the liberal argument. >> january 6th to be investigated. these are like important things. >> these are important things. let's ground this conversation. kristen, he makes a point which is that democrats did say you got to protect the filibuster when donald trump was president. >> sure, of course. >> so it raises the questions, particularly if it's an end not mend strategy, that democrats
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would regret this the next time republicans control the senate or president. >> yes. >> that's just practical. >> that's always the situation. but the point is right now the country is on fire. democracy is on fire. i think that the things that you care about, you know, if you care about voting rights, if you care about investigating how actually getting to the bottom of things like january 6th, which republicans have no interest in, you can see that there is a real disconnect, okay? and so in terms of getting voting rights passed so that people can vote so that we can have democracy, i think would be worth it. you can call it hypocritical if you want. but it's kind of weird listening to a republican talk about hypocrisy. look, hypocrisy happens. that's not the most important thing. the most important thing is that we're in a situation right now where we have some major issues and i think that if we don't deal with them, we're literally
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putting democracy at risk. >> scott, last word to you. >> look, i just fundamentally disagree that democracy is at risk. we had massive turnout in the last two elections. we have more political engagement now than at any time going back several generations. i don't think that's going to change. i think democrats are dramatically overplaying the dangers to democracy. i think people are going to continue to participate, continue to vote and federalizing our election systems and blowing up the filibuster to do it would be a terrible thing to do and set a terrible precedent and have damaging repercussions for both parties in the years to come. >> scott and kristen, you both feel very strongly about this topic. we certainly appreciate you talking it out with us here today. thanks to you both. >> absolutely. you're about to meet a front line nurse in arkansas who says that she faces a torrent of insults and lies just for doing her job. >> we heard it more than once that we were just fudging the numbers or we were killing people on purpose to make covid
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♪ vaccine hesitancy remains a persistent problem in the country. and in arkansas, one nurse said she's facing a torrent of verbal abuse and now she's taken to social media to fight back. here is cnn's elle reeve. >> it was extremely difficult to watch so many people die and then have people tell you, you know, on facebook or in walmart that you're a liar. >> reporter: sunny worked on a covid floor of a hospital at the height of the pandemic. being a nurse was hard, but what made it surreal was living in
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western arkansas, where many people, even some in her own family, said covid was overblown, just the flu. >> nurses were really the symbol for this whole pandemic and almost all of the hate has centralized around us. nurses have ptsd. a lot of us are suffering from it from last year and now we're having people come in and look us in the face and say, no, i didn't get the vaccine. now i'm sick. >> reporter: arkansas has the third lowest covid-19 vaccination rate in the country, just 36% of the population is fully vaccinated. like many places with low vaccination rates it's now seeing a spike in cases. are you going to get the vaccine? >> i have not and i will not. i'm not a guinea pig. there's no change. you got covid? >> i did. after i got covid i had a heart attack. >> so why would you not get the vaccine? >> i had a bad reaction to it. >> i see.
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>> that's good. that's better. i believe that it's a freedom issue. and i've worn a mask probably a maximum of one hour in the entire whole thing since this covid came about. if it's so communicable, why am i still standing? >> we had people accuse us of giving their loved ones something else so that they would die and we could report it as covid and we heard more than once we were just fudging the numbers or we were killing people on purpose to make covid look like it was worse than it was or to make it look real when it wasn't. for the first majority of the pandemic, we wore the same n95 for one to two weeks at a time. >> reporter: tell me what you think about the term healthcare heroes. >> i think it sucks. >> reporter: why? >> they doved us healthcare heros. it gave the public this really wrong impression that we were sacrificial lams and willing to die for them. we want to help people. i want to save lives. i want people to get better, but
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not at the expense of my family's lives either. then you have the public going, well, you signed up for this. no, i didn't. when i was 17 i enlisted in t army and knew i might die for my country and 22 and went to nursing school that wasn't on the agenda. i didn't volunteer to die for everybody. even with the vaccine now, it's still highly politicized thing for no good reason. >> reporter: last year, sunny started venting on tiktok. >> you're just trying to spread fear. if that's what it takes to get you to listen to me, sure. >> i had avoided posting about covid for a long time because of the negative reactions i got. it hurt my feeling. couple weeks ago i had people threatening to kill me, calling me a murderer, saying i helped kill those people. is my thing to respond to hate comments for just $10 into my venmo account i'll tell you about crisis acting. i made about $100. >> reporter: wait, really?
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people send you $10. covid is real. surprise. tell you the truth not the truth you wanted to hear. no. >> reporter: sunny says dark jokes bring some relief from a darker reality, that her own health is at risk. her fellow nurse got covid last august and was on a ventilator for 42 days. >> it's real. covid is real. i nearly died frit. and will probably have issues from it for the rest of my life. i have family that they believe that it's real but they're not concerned with taking the vaccine. they understand some people get it and it's not bad. but i got it and it was bad. and now we're seeing this new variant hit and it's really hitting arkansas.
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>> sorry. sorry. my sister doesn't have the vaccine. >> reporter: sunny says that recently covid patients have been telling her that they got it at church. this week arkansas had its biggest spike since february. the state is offering free lottery tickets. it hasn't convinced many. did anyone you know get covid? >> my son has covid. >> how old is he? >> 8. >> wow. so that's pretty rare for a young kid. what was that like? >> he was sick a lot. he's been sick a lot for a while and still sick. we'll see if there's further damage. i don't know. he got real sick. fever everyday for weeks. >> are you guys going to get the vaccine? >> no. no vaccine. >> how come? >> i just don't trust the government. >> are you going to get the vaccine? >> absolutely not. my kids are not going to get it, none of us. >> how come? >> i figure let the world work its natural ways. >> are you able to get religious
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exemptions at schools for your kids? >> no. we take stuff if we have to. >> what do you mean you don't usually get vaccines. >> we didn't do the swine thing, any of the befores. it's something that i don't believe in. i haven't ever. it seems only comes about every presidency and seems like it's crowd control or whatever you want to call it. but i want my family have nothing to do with it. we've always been healthy. seems to work better that way. >> reporter: not everyone around here feels this way. >> i think you need to get it because it's not only helping you, it can help your whole family, everybody around you. it's better to take a chance on the side thans it is on the covid. cowboy up and get a shot and come out like a grownup, you know. >> come here. come here. one of my biggest fears is this new wave of covid. we're seeing a lot of nurses with passion fatigue and i'm scared how that will play out because a lot of cases we're seeing are nonvaccinated individuals.
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if i have a patient come in that wasn't vaccinated, i'm still going to treat them to the best of my ability, but i do know nurses who had to quit because they don't have it in them to do that. a lot of us would give you a shirt off their back to help a stranger. a lot of people being anti-covid and anti-vaccine is a product of the way that we were raised here. but they're not bad people. >> elle reeve is with us now. this report of yours is tremendous. i think it really brings the humanity to the discussion about vaccinations that is often lacking. and i just wonder having spoken with these nurses, do they have any ideas on how to convince their neighbors to go ahead and get vaccinated? or do they say there's no way to? >> so, hazel bailey, the nurse who was on a ventilator, when we went to her house, she had fox
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news blaring on a huge tv. she's not necessarily a fan of our network. but she wanted to get the message out. and so i was like, you know these people best. how would you convince them? and she said i don't know. and then she said something that really stuck with me which was our country will never be the same after covid. >> why did she say that? >> because she thinks that it will always be around the corner, another variant, that it's always going to be sweeping through people and that these attitudes are so baked in. there isn't anything that can change it. >> that we'll be living with it. if we are living with it, there will always be people dying from it and that is the reality. great report as always. thank you. >> thanks. up next, the white house facing an ethical dilemma over hunter biden selling his artwork. and solving the mystery of havana syndrome. the government taking a new look at these possible attacks on
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♪ we have set up a system which we feel is appropriate, has appropriate safeguards. we believe that hunter biden, just like any child of a president, should be able to pursue their professions and their passions. and any selling of the art would be through the galleryist. >> white house press secretary jen psaki talking about an agreement reached with an art gallery and this comes as first son hunter biden is expected to meet with potential buyers raising ethical questions about possible influence pedaling. walter shab is with us now, a senior fellow at the project on government oversight who led the office of government ethics under former president barack obama from 2013 to 2017. and you say, walter, that the
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white house is outsourcing government ethics to an art dealer. why? >> they put an art dealer in charge of keeping a secret. and really what he's doing is keeping a secret from the public because eventually hunter biden or people in the white house will learn who it's going to be two art showings where he will meet the universe of bidders on his art. they left that detail out when they said he had no way who was buying his art. >> adult children have jobs, they may have had lives, they have hobbies. art, you say, is different because of the nature of it being priced capriciously. it can be at a high end used to launder money and other things. explain what the art is and what the right way to do it is. >> it's whatever anybody says they want to pay for it. the problem is they're buying it from the president's son at
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prices you would never see for a first-time art sale. there is a local artist collective in alexandria just outside washington, d.c., where if you go really well established artists who have been doing this for years and have quite a following, are selling for 2 to $5,000. he's not even at that level because this is his first sale. so it really doesn't matter whether anyone likes his art or not. the question is can you find anyone other than a president's son who showed up on the scene and started selling for the cost of a house and a half because $295,000 was the price of the average home sale last year, and he's selling for up to 500. >> so, should we know, then, who the buyer is? should the american public know and what kind of assurances does the white house need to give? >> ideally, hunter biden wouldn't be doing this. because it sure looks like profiting off the presidency. if they couldn't talk him out of doing it, there is something within their control. they could promise us today if
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they happen to learn who any of the buyers are, they will notify us immediately and they will tell us again if any of those buyers get a meeting with the white house or any other political appointee. >> or i guess hunter biden could do this under a pen name and his real value would be established by market. >> i feel if he did it under a pen name he wouldn't get much for it. >> very interesting. >> walter schaub, good to see you. the cia reviewing havana syndrome cases. some believed to be microwave energy attacks, possibly by russia, have injured a growing number of diplomats and other u.s. officials mostly based abroad. what can you tell us about the status of the review and the escalating aspects of it? >> reporter: what the cia inspector general is looking at is how they came forward with the weird constellation of symptoms we've come to call
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havana syndrome, how they were handled internally. what kind of health care, they received, what kind of benefits. this is not a full-blown inspector general investigation. this is a review to determine whether or not an investigation is needed. but it is -- it is notable given the criticism that we've heard from victims and some former officials that particularly in the early days, officials who came forward with these symptoms were gaslighted by senior leadership at the cia and were unable to get the health care they badly needed. some of these people are quite sick. >> these folks have been vindicated in the eyes of the institution. these are real cases, they're real effects. what we still don't know is what specifically might have caused them. tell us how expansive this is now. tell us the latest on how many people are affected and what the working theory is that this might be. >> yeah, so what we know now is there are 200 cases worldwide over the last five to six years,
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100 involving cia officers. cases are spiked. they are mushrooming around the globe. we've seen a new set of victims come home from vienna, a hot spot for spies. new cases in africa that was previously unreported. this is very much still happening and it's happening now. one of the things that i think has been very tricky for the cia and the intelligence community at large is it's been very difficult to determine whether any one person who is reporting these symptoms is experiencing the same thing as another person who is reporting these symptoms. they don't have a great handle on diagnosing these cases yet or definitively, you have havana syndrome. but the working theory right now is that this is russia using some kind of microwave or directed energy device, either to collect intelligence on intelligence officers worldwide or possibly to harm them. >> that's fascinating. that is fascinating, and this story we're going to be hearing a lot more because this is spy stuff in real life with very
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damaging influence on the individuals. thank you, katy. >> thank you. >> just ahead, the debate over bringing back mask mandates. what will the cdc decide to do? and the new fbi warning about hackers at the olympics.
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in kentucky, a 6-year-old girl is lucky to be safe with her family after being abducted by a kidnapper who snatched her from her bike. cnn's amara walker has more with the police officers who went beyond the call of duty to rescue her. >> open the passenger door! open the passenger door! >> reporter: this was a heart stopping moment for officers searching for an abducted girl. their guns drawn while louisville officer a father of four approaches the kidnapper's vehicle as seen from his body cam. >> you never know what you're going to see when you open that door. >> hello. >> it's okay. it's okay. >> i want mommy! >> reporter: you could hear the terror and the cries of the 6-year-old girl. >> when i picked her up i could feel her squeeze around my neck. >> that's when it hit hard for
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me, hearing how hard of a cry it was, how hard she was having trouble breathing. >> reporter: sergeant joe keeling got the call in july just after 5:00 p.m. he tracked down the suspect thanks to a father and son living six houses down from the victim. they happened to be outside when the little girl was snatched off her bike in front of her home. evgenia 15 seconds, he got her and was gone. >> reporter: prentice and his father called 911 with a partial tag and car description. >> what type of vehicle were they in? >> a challenger. >> reporter: within ten minutes, sergeant keeling had his suspect. >> put your hands in the air. stay right there. >> reporter: he kept the suspect on his knees while backup arrived. sergeant keeling who is also a father said he had to take a moment after the girl's rescue. >> every single emotion runs through you in about 45 minutes -- 45 seconds to a minute. i even threw my head back on my car seat and was -- thank goodness, thank god we found
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her. >> reporter: the lifesaving efforts of the louisville metro police department were recognized monday. >> to me this story was an emotional story. >> reporter: although it was the first kidnapping call of their careers, their instincts and training matter the most. >> just kind of go from police mode to parent mode once you remove the child from the car. and comfort them like you would your own. >> gladly step in there to get between him and her. sacrifice ourselves and got injured anyway to get this little girl out from this nightmare she was living at the time. >> i want my mommy. >> reporter: amara walker, cnn, louisville, kentucky. >> that is an unbelievable story. i know, unbelievable. >> we both have young kids. god bless those officers and love to the family. i am brianna keilar alongside john avalon this morning. governor cuomo to our viewers in the united states and around the world. it is friday, july 23rd.
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demands are growing louder and more desperate for the unvaccinated to drop their resistance and to get covid shots. even with the safe and effective vaccine available, coronavirus is making a dangerous comeback thanks mostly to americans who won't roll up their sleeves. half the states in the country are falling behind the national average for vaccinations with alabama at the bottom of the list. just a third of its residents are fully vaccinated and republican governor kate ivey has had enough. >> they're supposed to have common sense. but it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. it's the unvaccinated folks letting us down. >> the surge in cases has refueled the debate for mask mandates. discussing masks for the vaccinated. they announced the city will be instituting an indoor mask

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