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>> jim, you just, i guess, happened to be there and what did you see? what did you hear? >> yeah, anderson. i was having dinner at a restaurant that is very popular in d.c., the diplomat. people probably heard of it. it's on 14th street northwest washington. just a few blocks north of that at another restaurant we believe there was some kind of shooting that occurred here. you personally looked at video of one got shot victim being wheeled out of that restaurant on a stretch we are gunshot wounds in the chest. personally also witnessed somebody who is on the ground
being treated by first responders. i'm not sure why that person was being treated. but there was a bloodstain on the car behind the person. much as he was leaning up against the car. we saw that ambulance speed out of the area very quickly. but this is a very popular, very, i think, you know, very well traveled pretty dense area of northwest washington, d.c. we're constantly seeing people in this area going up and down 14th street it is close to the white house. we're five or suchl blocks from the white house. as far as this restaurant shooting apparently occurred, that also is a very popular restaurant. to hear gun shots in the area is unsettling. as i was sitting down to eat, i heard seven or eight gun shots. you could see in the video that i sent in people fleeing from
the gun shots, run ago way from the gun shots and up and down 14th street. people were running away from the area. it is that kind of situation. the other night in the baseball stadium here in washington, d.c., there were gun shots outside of that baseball park. and so just within a few nights of one another, you have two pretty jaw dropping, unsettling situations in washington, d.c., the nation's capital. police just moved us out of the area of the shooting. it does appear more law enforcement, authorities are coming to the scene. a very popular area. a very traveled area in washington, d.c., shops, restaurants, grocery stores, all kinds of those sorts of things in the area. also, big residential area.
a lot of homes in this area as well. we're lucky that more people were not shot. >> jim, in the video that you showed us, it looked like there were police cars there. do you know were police involved in this shooting? it looked like people running. it looks like there are flashing lights already. >> i will tell you, we just got here to the scene. [ inaudible ] >> within a couple minutes, i would say a dozen or so police cars, ambulances were on the scene of this shooting. as i was saying, even though there may have been a couple gunshot victims here, we heard a succession of a dozen to 15 i would say gun shots pop, pop, pop, pop one after another. and that's what sent people fleeing up and down 14th street
in washington, d.c. >> i grew up in this area. i worked in the city for a long time. this part of d.c. does not see this kind of crime this kind of shooting activity. obviously, other parts of d.c., you see this kind of shooting. that is as equally as important as what we're seeing tonight. but because of the density of people walking in this area, this had the potential to be very serious. >> jim accost yashgs more to learn. we'll continue to follow this story throughout the hour. appreciate it. appreciate you being. there now covid-19 and what the director of the cdc calls another pivotal moment in this pandemic. reflects a new urgency from the white house and what is increasingly called and what is increasingly calling the white house a pandemic of the unvaccinated. the delta variant continues to spread at what is certainly an larming rate. we're seeing the consequences of what we've been warning about for awe month. it is serious and spreading faster than was anticipated.
so is the ripple effect. tonight philadelphia's health commissioner issued a strong recommendation for everyone vaccinated or not to wear a mask in public. chicago school system announced that masks will be worn by all in schools when classes begin next month. the and this kind of public health recalibration has been happening in spots all across the country in recent days. joining us is the director of the vaccine education center at children's hospital. it is shifting to a more urgent tone as the delta variant spreads and troubling new phase. should there be new mask guidance? >> yes. i think the delta variant changed the game. it has a so-called reproduceability. that means if i'm infected, i go about my day, everybody you come in contact is susceptible. i'll infect six to eight people and then they infect six to eight people. this virus is more contagious than the flu virus. this is the most contagious
respiratory viruses. it's a shame we had now for a while enough vaccine to vaccinate everybody in this country over 126 put we didn't o it. we have about 100 million people, 35% of the population that is neither vaccinated nor naturally infected. they're fertile ground for this virus to spread. we're taking a step back to masking mandates and hopefully vaccine mandates. >> if 80% or 90% of the country got this vaccine before the delta variant really took hold, delta variant is what we saw in india that quickly came here and around the world. and who did we really let down? we let our children down. we don't have a vaccine 6 to 12. i'm not sure when we'll have it. hopefully we'll have it before late fall or early winter when this virus will surge. it is a winter virus. and so now we're talking about what to do in school? do we mandate vaccine for
school? masks for school? we wouldn't have had to be here had we handled this differently. there is a critical part of the population that doesn't want to get vaccinated. it's hard to watch. >> i'm a broken record now. again, it's because i've become a parent. but i think we have not focused on children enough. early on everybody said well look kids are not affected by this, its no problem. people who chose not to get a vaccine probably don't even think that they are potentially harming children. ch children cannot choose to get vaccinated. they can't get vaccinated. >> right. when the virus came into the country last march and started killing people, the mantra is this is a disease of older people. that's true. 93% of the deaths were people over 55. and the mantra was children get infected less frequently and when they're infected, it's less severely. they can still get infected. that's true. tens of thousands have been
hospitalized. many had this disease called multisystem inflammatory disease which can have long term effects. children can suffer this disease and be hospitalized and killed by this. we don't have a voaccine for children less than 12 years old. we refuse to vaccinate a critical part of this population. 80% or 90% would have done it. as the virus gets more contagious, you have to have a higher percentage immune. >> both where you are in philadelphia and chicago, new mask recommendations went out. the cdc has not updated the guidance. there is a lot of confusion about this. the does the cdc need to correct this? >> i think so. i think it is fairness. when you're indoors as we move forward now into fall and winter, when you're indoors, you should wear masks. children that go to school, i think there should be a mask mandate. its no the fair for the schools or the businesses to determine who is vaccinated and who's not. i think everybody should just wear a mask. when you wear a mask, you
prevent the virus from entering your notes and throat and beginning to reproduce. if you are vaccinated and don't wear a mask, it can reproduce and cause a mild disease which is true more so with the delta variant which is a little more resistant to protection against asymptomatic or mild infection where you can still be contagious. >> thank you very much. more on what remains a political divide over the vaccine. quite a few top republicans changed their tone about getting vaccinated. that is good. listen to what ronny jackson said when press bid cnn along with other members of the republican doctors caucus on whether party members should share the vaccine status to encourage constituents to get the vaccine. >> i think that you as a press have a responsibility to ask questions of the democrats as well. how many of the democrats are willing to say whether or not they've been vaccinated. and what about the texas delegation from the texas house that came here? they said that. it's including the six that tested positive. do we have any evidence of that?
i highly doubt those six people were vaccinated and tested positive for this virus. you need to speak to -- i'm just telling you. >> so he was wrong. they have the facts and then he tried to change it and he was wrong again. that guy is a medical doctor. . he's a doctor who served adds a white house physician to the former president. remarkable what he's become. he's a politician now. joining us now with more on this, cnn's ryan nobles. cnn asked every single member of congress if they've been vaccinated. what have we learned? >> interesting. ronny jackson asking you us to do the job we had already done. you're right. it was a big project by many on our team to ask every member of congress the vaccine status. almost every democrat in the house and senate say for one and told us they have been vaccinated. on the senate, 92% of republicans saying that they've received the vaccine. but on the house side, a little under 50% refuse to tell us one
way or another whether or not they received the vaccine. and one member of congress, tommy massey, has gone so far to say he refuses to get the vaccine. so this is something that is playing out definitively along party lines. you see some republicans even when they encourage others to take the vaccine unwilling to say if they themselves have taken that step. >> what reason -- i mean it's clear why they would say this. obviously, some may believe that health care decisions should remain secret. that's certainly their right. but if this was popular among their constituents, and some of the very conservative districts, i'm sure they would be very up front about the fact that they got vaccinated what reasons have they given for either not getting vaccinated or not responding? >> you hit the nail on the head. the overwhelming reason that they give is citing their own privacy rights. marjorie taylor greene, for instance, repeatedly declares that hippa prevents her from
telling us whether or not she has been vaccinated which is not 100% true. but they just say it's a personal choice whether or not they want to reveal that. when you that uk talk to the la they point to the political reprecushions and the heavily red districts that voted overwhelmingly for the former president donald trump, the vaccines remain unpopular. not just hesitancy here, there are people that truly believe the vaccine is a big problem and as a result these republican politicians don't want to in any way, shape or form endure the wrath of the constituents by admitting they've been vaccinated. there's a good chance that manufacture them actually have been vaccinated. but they chosen not to do so because of their constituents. and just one example, anderson, is the house minority whip, he's the second ranking remember. republican. he waited until last week to get the vaccine and didn't have a good explanation as to why. >> thank you. i'm joined by president biden's former adviser for covid-19 response and also the author of
"preventable," the inside story of how leadership, politics, and selfish unless doomed the coronavirus response. that is the thing that is so frustrating about this. is that this was preventable. and that the delta variant, the toll it's taking and going to take could have been prevented, had more people been vaccinated. we just heard about the change in some republicans when it comes to their public messaging about the vaccine. that is to be applauded. president biden said that some had an alter call when it came to vaccines. should republican leadership be doing more to help bring people around? >> you know, i think when you play politics with the vaccine, you're playing with fire. you're playing with your own constituent's lives. and so it would make a hell of a lot of sense to do what sean hannity did. look, there are people that disagree with me or with you or democratic colleagues on everything else. but if they come out and said, you know what?
getting vaccinated is sensible. and additionally talking aggressively against the people and calling out the people in their party that are making a political problem, they would be wise. and republican governors are generally speaking a good example governor justice in west virginia says if you're not vaccinated, you're partst problem. that is a good example that should be called out. >> 57% of those eligible are fully vaccinated in the united states. now given those percentages and the vigor of the delta variant, what more does the administration need to be doing right now? >> well, it was great to see the town hall last night that president biden is not willing to quit. not willing to leave any american behind. and willing to continue to make the case. now it's going to take more than him to make the case. it's going to take getting very aggressive about particularly younger people. people under 25. i think as they return to school, presumably at full fda
approval, we should be really seriously considering whether schools, workplaces, government agencies, ought to be saying hey, if you're coming here, you need to be vaccinated. if you're not, you need to show you have a negative test every single day. and then we need to just get better information to people. as the fda makes this final approval, all the people that have been on the fence and there are some people still on the fence, we need to take the case to them and say the jury is in. the fda has done rigorous work. they have taken a long time. a very long time. and now it's time for you to review this information and make the right decision. >> just so i'm clear. employers are allowed to decide everybody who works here has to be vaccinated, right? >> absolutely. and, look, if people say they don't want to be vaccinated, which some people might say, i think it's perfectly reasonable to say that's fine. we want you to show up every morning an hour before work and get a negative test.
maybe even at your own expense. until the point where people will say, you no he what? it makes more sense to actually get vaccinated. if you give people that option, i think you're going to see more and more people take the option to get vaccinated. >> andy, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> coming up next, the mask mandate on los angeles county. the nation's most populated and the sheriff won't enforce it. he joins us. and will democrats decide to go it alone on the president's infrastructure plans in we'll talk to a democratic senator about it. (screaming & laughter) ♪ ♪ (sounds of car doors closing) (crash sound & tires squealing) (phone chimes) this is onstar. we've detected a crash from your phone. is anyone injured? i don't think so. good. help is on the way. is there anyone i can call for you? my dad. okay, i'm calling him now.
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we told you about new mask recommendations and mandates. this past weekend los angeles county became the first major county to once again require mask wearing for all people indoors and public spaces. soon after our next guest l.a. county sheriff said he would not enforce the mandate. sheriff joins us now. thank you so much for being us with. i appreciate it. the guest in my last block at children's hospital of
philadelphia says everyone should be wearing masks indoors. the cdc has not updated their guidance. but it is a mandate in your county. why are you saying you won't enforce it? >> one is practical terms. first of all, the physical ability enforcement is not there. i have a district attorney that does not enforce anything in terms of prosecution. so exactly what we're doing, we're going to get into conflicts with business owners and people going to -- go to these places, these different businesses and we're not going to get involved in that conflict because at the end of the day, there is no prosecution that is going to be made of it. it becomes pointless. but on the practical side, i have 40% of the county residents not vaccinated. they really don't want to go there. kaiser family foundation, they said there are three elements needed to get everybody vaccinated. one is faith that it is safe to get vaccinated. i think we covered that. number two, is you have doctors,
families and friends encouraging to get the vaccination. number three is very, very important. there has to be some perceived benefit to take the vaccine. if i treat everybody the same, the people of resistance say why bother? i'm stul ill being forced to we the mask. >> you enforce seat belts though, right? >> we enforce seat belts only as a result of when we need to for other traffic reasons. but we don't go out there pulling everybody over without a seat belt. that's where we use discretion. we have extremely limited resources to enforce the law. >> originally you issued a statement saying that the mask mandate issued by the department of public health was not backed by science. do you think the science is there now? >> i understand the practicality argument. on the science argument though, do you think it's wise for people to wear masks indoors?
. >> i'm going follow the guidance from cdc. but l.a. county is notoriously for getting it wrong. from their handling of the pandemic from the very beginning they made bad call after bad call. they used a sledge hammer when a sexu scapel would have sufficed. so their advice i always take it with a grain of salt. we're going to stick to the science and actually this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. so the best thing question do is encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. i've been fully vaccinated since january. my entire familiar sli vaccinated. the i want to encourage everyone to get that vaccination. that should be our goal right now. we are creating conflicts that do not improve the vaccination rate. >> right. i understand. you're right. it is, as you say, a pandemic of the unvaccinated. though the unvaccinated include children and people who are not -- adults that are not vaccinated have chosen to not get vaccinated, they're a threat
to children, are they not? >> they can be, sure. and that's what we have to start looking at other things, test questions take. for example, schools, when you get to high school level. do we want to impose a vaccination requirement? half of our other disease that's we've done in the past -- >> i'm talking about children under 12. as you know, they cannot get vaccinated. adults right knew are not vaccinated are a threat to children who cannot be vaccinated. so isn't wearing masks indoors the only way to protect children? >> well, no. that's not the only way. the best way to protect churn is get people vaccinated. let's cross the finish line. >> right. >> but that's faya finish line t half the country hasn't done it yet. that should be the focus. but in the meantime, the only way to protect children from the unvaccinated, adults who have chosen not to be vaccinated is for those adults to be wearing masks indoors, isn't it? you can't determine who has been
vaccinated and who hasn't. doesn't everyone have to wear masks indoors? there is this mandate now. >> well, we have vak sin passports. we have a cardish issued. >> but you're not checking those. >> question start checking them. >> but you said you're underfunded. if you can't enforce a mask mandate, can you enforce going around checking people's vaccination certificates? >> that is up to each establish noent do that. we're not going to do the job for them. >> you just said we. >> okay. >> when you buy booze at a liquor store and show id that, is establishment enforces a bc laws for liquor. do they not? >> yes. >> the same principle. >> so your officers do, they wear masks indoors? >> yes, they do. >> do you know the vak succinat rate among your force? >> they're right around 60%. >> why not -- would you consider making it mandatory? >> that is something i have to
discuss with the unions and it's a meet and confer issue. and that is something that all of the coalition and county unions have to ask with the board of supervisors. that is a step. we'll have to see. >> l.a. county sheriff, i appreciate what you do. thank you very much, sir. >> you got it. just weeks until the august recess and congress still can't come to agreement on an infrastructure bill. among many other unresolved items on the agenda, richard bloom enthal and whether it will get done next. like we would treat our own moms, with care and respect. to us, the little things are the big things. which is why we do everything in our power to make buying a car an unforgettable experience. happy birthday. thank you. we treat every customer like we would treat our own moms. because that's what they deserve. limu emu... and doug.
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coming up, we'll have an update on that shooting in washington. jim acosta was there on the scene nearby. a lot of major unresolved issues on congress as they approach the annual august recess. will another republican join after party leadership boycotted the house xlekt committee. then the bipartisan infrastructure bill. major issues unresolved. one of the negotiators, susan collins, said her group is close to finalizing an agreement. and then questions about whether democrats can unify for a separate reconciliation bill. plus, with very questions about the filibuster. ending it could result in chaos. democratic senator richard bloomental joins us now. you want to get your latest on the investigation to january 6th about to get started on the
house side. speaker pelosi reportedly now considering naming gop congressman adam kinsinger to support that move? >> i would support that move and any other move that makes that committee as bipartisan as possible. keep in mind, anderson, that speaker pelosi wanted to appoint a 9/11 type commission that would be virtually evenly divided among democrats and nonpolitical members and as objective and impartial as possible. the house approved it. unfortunately, it was scuttled in the senate. only six republicans voted for it. i think it was a missed opportunity. so whether it's adam kinsinger or others that are willing to be constructive. others wanted to weaponize it for political purposes. i think the speaker is right to in effect disqualify them. >> liz cheney obviously and
congressman kinsinger are very vocal in criticism of the former president. thaur both republicans. i would have said in good standing. clearly with this current republican party they are not in good standing. do you think compromising the committee exclusively with democrats and the few republicans who broke with the former president, i mean zshgs that undermine its effectiveness? certainly among the republicans out in the country? >> i think it's effectiveness will depend on its integrity and its seeking the truth as vigorously as possible. and then speaking the truth. i'm encouraged by the selection of the staff director david buckley, a trained experienced law enforcement professional, former inspector general for the cia. i think it's work product is the basis for judging it. and i continue to be haunted by what i saw in and heard on january ofth.
it wasn't a protest. it wasn't a demonstration. it wasn't an assault that caused death and injury. went back to count the vote. many of my colleagues over shattered glass and even blood. we need to get to the bottom. i think it's work product will be what distinguishes it. >> looking at the infrastructure, the president saying in our cnn town hall that although the well is so poisoned in his words over the past four years, i believes a bipartisan deal can happen. do you see what is the time frame? senator schumer, he says it will happen for the august recess. >> anderson, i never say i'm confident about anything when i'm talking about an outcome in the united states senate. but i'm more hopeful than ever in part because the deadline yesterday and the vote even though it was fewer than 60 votes, showed, number one, unity among democrats. and it also showed how serious and resolute we are about going
alone if we need to do it. i think it has spurred those negotiations. i think that the bipartisan group is closer than ever on, for example, pay fors. but i also visited the white house today on a separate matter and i was very encouraged by how upbeat members of the white house staff are. so i think we have a historic opportunity. i think it has to be a higher number through buget resolution, the mentiothod that we have, reconciliation, 51%. higher number for rail, for example. tens of billions more for rail. we have a strong resolution to increase it even further and take care of the human needs, the human infrastructure. >> the president said last night he didn't want to get wrapped up
in the filibuster. that could send congress into chaos. you said you want to reform the filibuster to hopefully one day abolish it completely. pt how critical do you think reform is in helping things like voting rights legislation get passed? there is no gop supporting the senate for voting rights legislation. democrats don't have the votes to overcome the 60 vote filibuster. >> i held a subcommittee hearing. i chair the subcommittee on the constitution and the judiciary committee which showed how the tsunami of republican vote suppression laws are having an effect. i'm persuaded we need to abolish or radically reform the full buster and just to put it in a little bit of historical perspective, when i first came to the senate ten years ago, one of my very first votes was to abolish the filibuster. only 11 other senators voted.
and what i've seen over the past ten years is that one by one my colleagues have said it is abused and misused. they come around the same point of reform. it must be reform to do voting rights and other critical legislation. >> senator, appreciate your time. thank you. next, we're learning more about the shooting at a washington, d.c. restaurant. a very busy part of town. a live update next. versus the other guys. ♪ clearly, velveeta melts creamier. your skin isn't just skin, it's a beautiful reflection of everything you've been through. that's why dove renews your skin's ceramides and strengthens it against dryness for softer, smoother skin you can lovingly embrace. renew the love for your skin with dove body wash. what if you could have the perspective to see more? at morgan stanley, a global collective of thought leaders offers investors a broader view.
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this evening. this happened about 8:20 this evening in northwest washington on 14th street. a popular area. a lot of restaurants, bars, clubs, and a big, i think, sizable residential area around it. we're not that far from the white house either. and about 8:20 p.m., i heard 10 or 12 gun shots at one of the restaurants in this area. i came up to the scene and from what we understand, there were shots fired in the vicinity of the restaurant here on 14th street. and there were at least two gunshot victims that we know of. i saw video from a witness of one of those victims being carried out on a stretcher. that victim was a man who had two gunshot wunts in the chest. i talked to a witness who saw some of this unfold earlier this evening. this witness said he saw what appeared to be a black nissan pull up to the scene, a gun barrel coming out of that car and then shots being fired at
what he described as kids i think i meant teenagers. the restaurant where i was having dinner, people got up out of their seats at their tables and started running away from the scene. that was happening. that was playing out up and down 14th street:. so obviously people were terrified trying to flee the gun shots in what is usually a very safe area of washington, d.c. yes, there are things that happen like this from time to time in this part of d.c. the but just don't see this very often in this area. >> jim accost yashgs i appreciate it. thank you. coming up, the story of a front line nurse in arkansas who helped vud patients and describing a torrent of insults and lies for just doing her job. that's next. hiladelphia, we know what makes the perfect schmear of cream cheese. the recipe we invented over 145 years ago and me...the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection.
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vaccination rates under 50%. one of those states is arkansas. tonight i want to bring you the story of not only people who for whatever reasons are refusing to get the shot but a nurse who has spent countless hours on the front lines and endures what is a torrent of verbal abuse for just doing her job. as a result, she has taun to social media to fight back. we have our story. >> good puppy. >> it was extremely difficult to watch so many people die. and then have people tell you, you know on facebook or in walmart that you're a liar. >> sunny worked on a vud floor of a hospital at the height of the pandemic. being a nurse was hard but was surreal is living in western arkansas where many people even some in her own family said that vud is overblown, just the flu. >> nurses were really the symbol for the whole pandemic. and almost all of the hate has centralized around us. nurses have ptsd.
a lot of us are suffering from it from last year and now we're having people come in and look us in the face and be like, no, i didn't get the vaccine and now i'm sick. >> arkansas has the third lowest vaccination rate in the country. just 36% of the population is fully vaccinated. like many places with low vaccination rates, it is now seeing a spike in cases. >> you are going to get the vaccine? >> i have not and i will not. i'm not a guinea pig. there is no chance. >> you got vud? >> i did. that's the reason why i'm not getting it. after i got over it, i had a heart attack. >> so why would you not get the vaccine? >> i don't want to. >> i see. >> that's good. . that's better. >> you know, i believe that it's a freedom issue. i have worn a mask a maximum of one hour in the entire whole covid-19 thing. why am i still standing? >> we had people accuse us of giving their loved ones
something else so that they would die and report it as covid-19. we heard it more than once that we were just fudging the numbers or we were killing people on purpose to make covid-19 look like it was worse than it was or to make it look real when it wasn't. >> for the first majority of the pandemic, we wore >> tell me what you think about the term healthcare heroes. >> oh, i think it sucks. >> why? >> so, they dubbed us healthcare heroes. it just -- it gave the public this really wrong impression, that we were sacrificial lambs. and -- and willing to die for them. we want to help people. you know, i want to save lives. i want people to get better. but not, you know, at the expense of my family's lives, either. then, you have the public going, well, you signed up for this. no, i didn't. when i was 17, i enlisted in the army. i knew that i might die for my country. when i was 22 and went to nursing school, that wasn't on the agenda. you know? like, i didn't volunteer to die for everybody.
even with the vaccine, now, it's still a highly politicized thing, for no, good reason. >> last year, sunny started venting on tiktok. >> you're just trying to spread fear. >> if that's what it takes to get you to listen to me, sure. >> i had avoided posting about covid for a long time because of the negative reactions i got. like, it hurts my feelings. but just a couple weeks ago, i had people in my inboxes threatening to kill me, calling me a murderer, saying i helped kill those people. i get called a crisis actor, all the time. it's my thing, now, to respond to hate comments with for just $10 into my venmo account, i will tell you the truth about covid-19 and crisis acting. i made about $100. so -- >> really? >> yeah. >> and wait, people like send you $10? and you are like i'm not a crisis actor. >> i'm just like crisis acting isn't real and covid is real. surprise. >> sunny says dark jokes bring some relief from a darker reality, like that her own health is at risk. her fellow nurse, hazel bailie,
got covid last august and was on a ventilator for 42 days. >> it's real. covid's real. i nearly died from it. and will, probably, have issues from it, for the rest of my life. i have family that they believe that it's real. but they're not concerned with taking the vaccine. they understand some people get it, and it's not bad. but i got it and it was bad. and now, we're seeing this new variant hit. and -- and it's really hitting arkansas. sorry. my sister doesn't have the vaccine. >> reporter: sunny says that recently, covid patients have been telling her they got it at church. this week, arkansas had its biggest spike in cases since february. and it has the worst case rate in the country. the state is offering
vaccination incentives, like free-lottery tickets. it hasn't convinced many. did anyone you know get covid? >> my son has covid. >> how old is he? >> 8. >>. wow. so that's like pretty rare for like a young kid. what -- what was that like? >> he would sleep a lot. he's still sick. so get him looked at and see if there is further damage. i don't know, because he got real sick. fever, every day, for weeks. >> are you guys going to get the vaccine? >> no. no vaccine. >> how come? >> i just don't trust the government. >> are you going to get the vaccine? >> absolutely not. my kids are not going to get it. none of us. >> how come? >> i mean, i figure i just let the world work its natural ways. >> okay. are you able to get like religious exemption at schools for your kids? is that how? >> no i mean, we take the stuff if you have to. >> so what do you mean when you say you don't usually get vaccines? >> we didn't do the pig swine thing or whatever that was. we didn't do any of the befores. i don't believe in.
it seems it only comes about every presidency and it seems like it's either crowd control or whatever you want to call it but i want my family to have nothing to do with it. we have always been healthy and just seems to work better, that way. #. >> reporter: not everyone around here feels this way. >> i think you need to get it because it's not only helping you. it can help your whole family. everybody around you. it's better to take a chance on the side than it is to take a chance on the covid. cowboy up, go get a shot, and come out of there like a grownup, you know? >> one of my biggest fears with like this new wave of covid. we are seeing a lot of nurses with compassion fatigue and i am really scared highwayow that's to play out because a lot of cases we are seeing are nonvaccinated individuals. if i had a patient come in that wasn't vaccinated, like, i am obviously still going to treat them to the best of my ability but i do know some nurses who had to quit because they just don't have it in them to do that. a lot of our kansans would give the shirt off their back to help you out for a stranger, you know? i think that a lot of people
being anti-covid and anti-vaccine is just a product of the way that we were raised here. but they're not bad people. >> and elle reeve joins us now. that was such a great piece. i really appreciate you just talking to folks. and the thing that really struck me, hearing that mom, whose 8-year-old got covid. and was sick for, she said, weeks. and still. and they're going to take him to a doctor to see if there's anything to be done. and yet, she would not get vaccinated. i mean, that's -- that's a tough hurdle, if -- if people are that set to not get vaccinated. i -- i'm not sure where we go? >> yeah. that story stuck with us, and the rest of the crew. we talked about it, the whole time we were in arkansas. um, last fall, public-health experts told us that some of the skepticism about covid and the vaccine would fade away, when people's loved ones started
getting sick. but for the people in arkansas, we talked to, that just wasn't the case. so, for example, hazel bailie, the nurse who was on a vent, after we did the interview with her. we talked to her sister. and her sister said that hazel coming home alive was the christmas present that she prayed for. but she, also, said that she couldn't give an interview because her thoughts on the vaccine were not fit for television. >> wow. elle reeve, i really appreciate what you do. i really like it. thank you very much. we'll be right back. know thi, everything that you see wants to kill you and can. ♪ ♪ ♪ born to be wild ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ born to be wild ♪ ♪ ♪ see disney's jungle cruise. applebee's and a movie, now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. a lot of people think dealing with copd is a walk in the park.
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