tv Inside Politics With John King CNN July 22, 2021 9:00am-10:00am PDT
hello, everybody. welcome to "inside politics ". the cdc director saying the united states is at a pivotal pandemic moment. the delta spike forcing the biden administration to wrestle with a giant coronavirus question. should you mask up again? plus the gop's vaccine divide. they are pleading for you to get the shot. many republicans say none of your business when we asked them if they're vaccinated. and donald trump says don't trust your eyes. listen to this new audio. the former president wants you
to believe the deadly capitol insurrection was a love fest. >> there was a loving tune to it. many people have told me, there was a loving crowd. they were ushered in by the police. in all fairness, the capitol police were ushering people in. the biden covid team had a update. the current covid reality and what to do. should you mask up? the surgeon general saying every death in his view right now is preventable. kaitlyn collins is here with more. >> in the briefing what you are hearing from the officials is a level of concern about the delta variant and the rising cases among those who are not yet vaccinated in a way that we have not really heard before. yes, they have talked about it. they have said that we are seeing the delta variant be the dominant strain now that it's making up over 80% of the sequenced cases here in the united states. but essentially they were
telegraphing a grave concern for those not yet vaccinated given how transmisable the delta variant really is. and of course, this comes as there are now concerns and debates internally about whether or not they need to change the mask guidance for even people who are vaccinated when they're in indoor settings, given how much of a surge in the delta variant we are seeing. and the questions about just how much people who are vaccinated can spread it. i asked dr. fauci last week. they believe right now that people who are vaccinated and do get infected called breakthrough face cases are not spreading it at the level unvaccinated people are. they don't have a final answer. it's a factor played into these conversations about whether or not they're going to change the guidance, but to give you a level of the kind of unsureness inside the administration over how to proceed here, and what the best guidance going forward is going to be, john, they're not even confirming on the record that they are having conversations about whether or
not they need to update the guidance. with several reporters and myself pressed the cdc director and other top federal health officials on this, they just pointed back to the current guidance which is, of course, that if you're unvaccinated, you need to wear a mask. if you're vaccinated, you have good protection from the vaccines sonar. so john, that's a huge question, of course, it would be a big psychological blow, i think to a lot of people in the country if they did change the mask guidance even a little bit, given that has been really one of the big messages coming out of the white house to get people vaccinated. but the bottom line from this briefing is clear. still half of the country is unvaccinated, and they are very concerned about those unvaccinated people. and the spread of this very present delta variant. >> kaitlyn collins live at the white house for us at a difficult moment for the biden covid team. let's walk through the numbers on why it is so difficult and take a peak. look at the map. this is the delta variant and where it is in the united states. it's 80% of the cases in region
4. 90% here. it's the dominant strain. this is today. this was one month ago. you see the delta variant, yes, it was taking root one month ago, but not at the extreme level where you see it now. that is why the white house is worried. it is more transmisable, a more nasty variant. here's another way to look at it. this is the transmission map from the cdc. if your county is red, that's bad. that means high community transmission. you want to be on this map blue or yellow. look at the map right now. look at where we were a month ago. a lot more blue and yellow on the map just a month ago if you look at the state of the covid transmission right now. this is high transmission. the red. high transmission. and most of that is the delta variant. here's one other way to look at it. there are five states right now driving this. or at least the five states with the most cases over the course of the past couple weeks. florida, california, texas, louisiana, and missouri. at this point let's bring into the conversation to share
expertise, william shafner. doctor, the biden covid team is wrestling with this. suddenly a lot of red and a lot of orange on a map that looked a lot better a couple weeks ago. one of the conversations is should the cdc be recommending masks again? where do you fall? >> well, i think certainly anybody who is older, john, who is more likely to get severe disease. people who are compromised. why, of course, put on your mask when you're indoors or going shopping. that makes good common sense. i think local health departments and state health departments are debating this just the way the the cdc is. public health recommendations have to be acceptable by the people to whom they're directed. and in parts of the country, my own part of the country included, i don't think that there would be a whole lot of acceptance of going back to mask wearing. but it's really quite clear the
reason we're having these discussions and this agonizing look at what's happening is that unvaccinated people remain unvaccinated. >> right. >> that's why we're having to have these discussions. >> forgive me for spinterruptin. that is why. let's look at this. the trend lines in the wrong direction. this is hospitalizations. 28,000 americans hospitalized as of monday. if you go back a couple weeks, it was 17,000. like even the death toll, things are trending in the wrong direction. here's the reason why. if we went back to the middle of april, 1.8 million people got fully vaccinated on that day. now we're down to a count of 253,000 people. we've talked about this before. you mentioned your state. the biden white house is trying to throw the kitchen sink. any tool at trying to convince people, please get your shot. they said they're going to send $100 million to rural health centers for vaccine outreach. is that a necessary, good tool? >> well, it's certainly
something that will make the vaccine available in those rural areas. but the people that the arms have to show up to take advantage of it. and so far they haven't. but anything we can do to persuade every single person who is unvaccinated to take the vaccine would help. if we all get vaccinated, we can bend that curve down again and keep it down. particularly important, as schools start to open. the single most important thing we can do is reduce the transmission of this virus in our communities. the way to do that is for all those adults, everyone age 12 and over, get vaccinated today. >> we're hearing more about the breakthrough cases and some vaccine hesitant americans and some people who are anti-vax say even people who have gotten both shots if you have a two-shot vaccine or people fully vaccinated are getting covid. at the white house braefing a short time ago, key emphasis was yes, this happens but it's rare,
and if you get covid, it's less likely to be severe. listen. >> we will see some cases among those who are vaccinated. as to be expected with any vaccine. these cases are generally mild and oftentimes asymptomatic. it's just more proof that the vaccines work. >> do you agree with that, and how important is it that the -- whether it's the biden covid team, yourself, any health care professional gets that point across, that the vaccines overwhelmingly protect you? >> well, it's very important, john, to distinguish the vaccines keep people out of the hospital. they prevent severe disease. on occasion, we do have breakthrough infections. they're rarely severe. they're most of the time without symptoms at all, or with very mild symptoms. there's a big distinction. it is really unusual today to
have an unvaccinated person be admitted to the hospital for covid. 98% of the people admitted today for covid illness are unvaccinated. all those diseases could have been prevented by vaccination. >> it's just concise, well put. doctor, grateful for your insights today. i wish more people out there would listen and roll up their sleeves. we'll see if the numbers improve in the days ahead. ahead, brand new cnn reporting on house republicans and covid vaccines and a study that shows your view of dr. fauci could well depend on where you get your news.
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coronavirus vaccine. new cnn reporting underscores the fact that there is still a giant gop vaccine divide. 97 members of the house republican caucus, 97 members, that's close to half, simply won't say whether they have been vaccinated. when asked, some of them told us that's none of your business. cnn's lauren fox joins us live from capitol hill. she's part of the great reporting. lauren, walk us through it. >> this is part of a survey we've done every few months on capitol hill. we needed to know how many members of congress are vaccinated. how many members aren't vaccinated. and my colleagues andy and sara and i went through our list of members. we still weren't aware of and we learned there are still 97 members that we don't know the vaccine status of either because they didn't respond to the survey, or because we haven't been able to find the information that would normally be available publicly. like tweets or public events they've held. i think one thing this reveals is that even though the
republican party seems to be changing its tune when it comes to vaccines. some members even being more public about talking about their vaccine status, there are still nearly half of the republican conference that we have no idea if they're vaccinated or not. you know, kevin cramer who is a republican member of the u.s. senate, he's one of the few republicans in the senate, by the way, who isn't revealing his vaccine status. one of two. he told me, look, i don't view it as my job to educate constituents on whether or not they need to be vaccinated or not. that's their job. their decision to make. he said he's a legislator, not an educator. and i think that that really speaks to how some of these house republicans also feel. now, we asked some of them in the hallways, chip roy being one of the members we asked, are you vaccinated. he said plainly, it's none of your business. some members telling us they couldn't believe we were asking the question. it's important because earlier this week the office of the attending physician on capitol hill sent out a notice to staff and members saying the delta variant was detected at the u.s.
capitol. there are renewed concerns about mask wearing. you are seeing so many more staffers and members wearing masks today than monday. it's a big deal up here on capitol hill. and obviously a question of whether or not members should be educating and talking about their vaccine status so constituents aren't afraid of getting the vaccine. >> amen to that. appreciate you and the rest of the team doing this important reporting. with me is our panel. forgive me, republicans. it is our business. we're in the middle of a national public health crisis. in the budget, when we're doing a budget we ask about taxes and spending. when we're in a crisis, we ask about covid. i don't feel like it's my job to encourage people to do something that they don't want to do. you know me. i haven't been worried about this since the beginning. i'm a policy maker. i'm not an educator. i haven't been worried about this since the beginning.
that's great, senator. 610,000 americans are dead because of covid. isn't it his job to worry about this since the beginning? >> i mean, what an embarrassing quote that is. republicans are hearing from some people in the base afraid of vaccines and sort of buying into these conspiracy theories the government is going to make you get something and they're playing politics. to say the u.s. congress doesn't have a role about how serious this is, the delta variant, more people are dying again, and there's a lot of republicans out there who are going to listen to republican leaders. for him to say it's not my job and i'm not going to comment yshlt it's irresponsible. >> and to chip roy, he says i don't think it's anybody's business whether i'm vax natsed or not. this is ridiculous. the american people are fully capable of making an educated decision about whether or not they want to get a vaccine. there are legitimate health care privacy issues. right? every american has a right.
however, they are elected members of congress in the middle of a pandemic. am i wrong? isn't it our business? if they want to lead on taxes and spending, if they want to lead on health care, don't they have to lead on a pandemic? >> they do, and there has been a notable shift in the republican party in recent days and weeks. you saw steve scalise who has been talking on fox news, the house gop doctor's office urged people to get vaccines. at the same time, they are still not willing to confront which is arguably one of the biggest culprits of vaccine hesitancy. that's the misinformation being spread by the members of their own party. as rachel said, a lot of it is awareness to provoke the base and also awareness to call for censorship on social media and they're eager to go after democrats. >> to that point, this meeting with the doctor's caucus today, several republicans talked after. we'll play it in a second. to his credit, it may be late, but better late than never. the number two republican got his first shot over the weekend.
started talking to his constituents again. seven months after the vaccines come out, i'll take better late than never. you expect a change of tunes from republicans. they want to tell their people get vaccinated. look around the country. a lot of this is happening in rural america. but as melanie notes, not exactly the number one topic. >> why are democrats stone walling our efforts to uncover the origin of the covid virus? >> the only person that won't investigate what really happened is speaker pelosi. what is speaker pelosi having to hide? >> there's been no leadership from speaker pelosi on that side. we truly don't understand what she's hiding. >> you should be getting this vaccine. this vaccine does, in fact, protect against stymptomatic delta variant. >> again, i'm going to come back to the leadership question. okay, a lot of their base is anti-vax. they listen to misinformation and conspiracy theory. is it their job to try to lead
their base out of the wilderness or follow their base out of fear? >> well, i think they see their job as following the base. i mean, that's what we've seen from many republicans and they oftentimes believe what the base believes, too. they are not only representatives of the base, but share similar ideology. this is also just the republican identity now. right? this idea that being anti-vaccine, believing in all sorts of conspiracy theories about this vaccine as well and the question is are these pleas from people like steve scalise too little too late? great, i'm glad he did it, but it's been so baked into the cake among some of the communities and so reinforced for months and months and months by their peers and things they hear on facebook that it's not clear to me that somebody like steve scalise is going to be able to change the tide at this point because the identity is so baked into the cake of being anti-vaccine.
>> i asked a smart, engaged republican pollster, was there a new piece of data. he said not so much. he's more from candidates around the country as they're starting to see the spikes in their communities and like oh, oh, that could hurt us. let's continue the conversation. president biden says people are dying because of covid misinformation. at the town hall last night he noted all the sudden some fox news personalities were promoting vaccines as safe and effective. >> misinformation is going to kill people. not a joke. not a joke. it's like telling your kid, i tell you what, four years old, when you see a red light, cross the street. i'm feeling better about it. i'm not being a wise guy now. one of the other networks is not a big fan of mine. one you talk about a lot. but if you notice, as they say in the southern part of my state, they've had an altar call, some of those guys. >> as a new study that reinforces part of what the
president is talking about, some people are influenced heavily by where they get their information, including on covid, i just want to go through a little bit and then we'll bring in one of the prime drivers of the study. who provides trustworthy covid information? 83% of the americans are confident in the information from a doctor or nurse. 77% are confident with what they hear from the food and drug administration. 24% not confident what they hear from the cdc. dr. fauci nearly 7 in 10 americans say they're confident. 7 in 10 confident. 32% not confident. when you look at dr. fauci, this is where you get at it. if you get your news from far right sources, only 38% of those people have confidence in dr. fauci. you get your news primarily from fox news, about half. 51% say they have confidence in dr. fauci. the mainstream media, we're in this boat, 84 % have confidence in dr. fauci. if you get your news from social media, 7 in 10 americans have
confidence in dr. fauci. at this point let's bring into the conversation the director of the public policy center at the university of pennsylvania, the driver of this research. kathleen, what jumped out the most when you're looking at who trusts what and where they get it from in the middle of this pandemic? >> single most important finding, people regardless of where they get their media, trust their doctor, their nurse, their health care provider. that means the strategy that says let's trust at the local level that these folks can make a difference now, particularly with the vaccination hesitancy is a really important insight. and that's consistent with what the biden administration is trying to do. trying to deliver the message at the local level, door to door, using people who are trusted. >> and so i want to come back to what i was talking about a minute ago and showing the graphics from your study. half of fox news. fewer than 4 in 10 who get news from far right sources even more
than fox news, it's an echo chamber. correct? >> it is, but not a uniform one or monolith. there are hosts on fox news who have supported vaccination. their voices need to be amp amplified. on news max, some have made strong statements about vaccination. the people we trust inside our media is almost like friends to us. and when they say it's really up to you, and don't in the process say but i have vaccinated, they're also missing part of their message. you talked earlier about people who won't acknowledge whether they've been vaccinated. if people overrepresent the likelihood that most people aren't vaccinated, they're less likely to vaccinate. that's why it's important that every one of us say i've been vaccinated. of course, we have. in my case, i have. my husband has, my children have, my grandchildren have. everyone whom i can talk to will hear a vaccination message from me. >> and let me ask you one other
one. you mentioned those who are unvaccinated and they say they're unlikely to get vaccinated. they list a number of reasons. you offer several options. 6 in 10 say it's too untested. 44% worry about side effects. 32 are not concerned about covid. 27% say they never get vaccinated. what jumped out to you. the people who say no way i'm getting a vaccine in finding out why did you see any path to maybe breakthrough? >> to the extent that we've now had multimillions of individuals who have been safely vaccinated, we've increased the likelihood that you know someone if your vaccination hesitant who has had the vaccine without any serious complications. and as a result now is safer. you also are highly likely to know someone who believes the vaccine is safe and effective. three quarters of the people in our survey said they believe that. and three quarters said they believe getting the vaccine is safer than getting covid. those people who have had the
vaccine believe it's safe and effective, believe it's safer and more effective n. it's better than getting covid, need to talk to everybody in their environment to increase the likelihood that those of us in universes where we only hear about hesitance are hearing the vaccination message. if you hear more of the information that says safe and effective, evidence of it, and if you think about the vaccines you've had in the past that have protected you, you're going to increase the likelihood that you're going to get vaccination hesitance reduced among some. >> grateful for your time and this important study. it's helpful. we'll sort through the questions out there. we'll talk again, i'm sure. up next, donald trump in his own words and perhaps in his own reality. new audio in which trump uses the word loving, loving to describe the violent capitol insurrection.
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mischaracterized, shall we say. >> she's responding there to stunning new audio, the former president speaking to washington post reporters after the insurrection. listen. >> there was a loving crowd, too, by the way. there was a lot of love. i've heard that from everybody. many people have told me, that was a loving crowd. in all fairness, the capitol police were ushering people in. the capitol police were very friendly. they were hug and kissing. you don't see that. >> we all saw what happened. and sadly, because he keeps saying things like that, we need to show you again. five people died. 140 police officers were injured. nearly 550 people have been criminally charged. the sacred institution of the united states democracy attacked and defiled. it was not loving. >> it was not loving. and you saw people running for their lives, barricading themselves in their offices. you saw police confronting very violent people who were calling
for the heads of lawmakers and wanting to overturn a free and fair election. hearing donald trump is just yet another example of how complete his break with reality is and how delusional he is, and how he just lies constantly. but it's also a demonstration of how his lying has really caught on with republicans. i mean, he -- this is sort of what you hear from average republicans. some people in congress. so it was just a tourist visit. so it's quite disturbing to hear from him in that way, and more disturbing that there are millions of people who believe what he believes. >> the proof is in the numbers. you make the critical point. if we were talking to people at bed minister and saying to himself, who cares. but he's in control of much of the republican party. he says he wants to run again, and there are americans out there who voted for donald trump
for their own reasons. here's a cbs numbers. do you strongly disapprove of the people who -- those who forced their way into the capitol? 51% in january. 39% now. the more people listen to trump and people like trump, their views are changing. those are republicans. republican outrage, whatever you want to call it, is softening. >> it's a clear attempt to rewrite history and it's dangerous. but the numbers are exactly why this investigation that's going on on capitol hill is important. republicans killed this outside commission. they clearly did not want the truth to come out in an election year, and they were afraid of what that would mean for him politically. now there's this really ugly and nasty fight going on on capitol hill about how they are going to do the select committee. it's important this committee reach those people who are still having their minds changed. it used to be just a small segment of the republican party. it's growing. it's still growing because of
the big lie, and that's danger. that's why this committee needs to have some sort of impact beyond just democrats. it's got to reach across the aisle. >> how? how do they do that? a sense that the speaker was clear today. we're going to try to lay out facts. we're going to try to explain why it happened, did anybody pay for it? what can we learn? are the republican boycott, in part because she took the choice of saying i'm not jim jordan and jim banks on the committee. every time we say the sky is blue, they say it's not. we're not going to do that. that's a risk. it gives the republican is foil to say it's not legitimate. >> democrats feel comfortable with the decision. republicans had an opportunity to vote for the bipartisan independent commission which was an even split. that being said, i think democrats recognize they need to do everything they can to make this as credible as possible. we at cnn have two new pieces of reporting.
pelosi is considering pointing kenzing to the select committee and also hiring republican staffers as outside advisers. that's an insight. >> this same at the town hall last night. the president knows what trump said and other republicans say in an effort to rewrite history and the president says you don't have to like me. watch with your own eyes. >> i don't care if you think i'm satan reincarnated. the fact is you can't look at that television and say nothing happened on the sixth. you can't listen to people who say this was a peaceful march. >> it's important not only in the context of the president trying to say you don't have to like me for certain things to be, but it seems to be an understanding on the white house part that part of this, it's crazy, but part of it is just simply reminding people, this is what happened, not what the other people are telling you.
it's part of the midterm election campaign. >> that's right. and you can leave it to joe biden to use a refortall florish to make his point. what the president is really trying to do here is explain to people that they don't need to believe the lies that the president -- that the former president trump has been telling about the insurrection. he's also really urging folks not to buy into these conspiracy theories and puts it in terms of how it makes the u.s. appear on the international stage and the way people are viewing the country as you still have people buying into these lies that the president spread about the status of the election and what was at hand that day. >> i'm fascinated to see how this plays out. it's going to be loud. we'll see if they can do their job. up next, why president biden believes his bipartisan infrastructure deal is not dead yet.
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jurisdiction cannot serve. she decided jim banks who served in afghanistan, that he can't serve here. when she selects a chair of the committee that believes republican senators are equal to terrorists, just dropped a lawsuit against the president, and objected to the electors when it came to the election of george bush, i think even you would understand that. >> would you punish them in anyway -- >> reporter: how do you view the senate bipartisan budget bill? >> they continue to move. i haven't seen the details. i would say i like the idea of people working together and having an infrastructure bill. i think if there's one thing we should be able to do, it's infrastructure. i laid out to the president what i thought a bipartisan infrastructure bill would look like. the first thing you'd have to do is agree on what infrastructure means. roads, bridges, highways, broadband and airports. i think we would then look at the need of the nation.
we want to make sure we can make reforms so you wouldn't wait a decade to build them. your money would go further. i think we could find compromise there. the most difficult time is at the moment in time when they got the agreement. he said there is, but said i need the other three trillion. listen to the stories. since this new administration and democratic majority, they propose a bill with a nice title but it has nothing to do it. we watched at the beginning of the year when they called it a covid bill with less than 9% going to it, but now we have inflation. i would like the idea of a bipartisan infrastructure bill. they don't have -- even they tell you they can't vote on it yet because they can't have one. i think it matters in the details. i think a trillion dollars is a lot of money. in the concept, i'd like to do that, of putting it together.
>> reporter: as far as the -- you say that i don't know a history can somewhere can get the assignments from the speakerer a expect to have them on the conference as well. where are you right now? >> i'm right here. >> reporter: as far as assignments with cheney and others. should they be stripped of committee assignments and have members come to you asking them, cheney, in this case, to be stripped of her committee assignments as of now? >> our main focus is making sure we stop the run away inflation the democrats have becaused. the idea of securing our borders and making sure the crime rising in california and throughout the entire nation because of defunding the police, we stop that. i understand from a standpoint that others would be busy on other things, i think it's a conference decision. the conference will look at it. >> reporter: you got your vaccine at tend of last year and have been a proponent of them. we've seen more republicans
advocate for people to get vaccines recently. why the shift in tone? >> i don't understand how i shifted my tone. -- >> not your tone. i'm saying more republicans are coming out advocating for a vaccine. i'm saying generally in terms of your party, why the shift in tone? >> i disagree with the nature. i don't think we shifted in the tone. i mean, the republicans advocated for operation warp speed. we funded it. we looked from it. when i sat back and watched the then senator of california criticize and question whether they should get a vaccine issue was running for vice president or i watched the number of democrats in the house go to the microphones and criticize for operation warp speed and what the vaccines, think about what we were able to accomplish in a short amount of time. even dr. fauci said it was impossible to do that quickly. and the idea that we could have not one but more, more than three vaccines out there. the investment we made, i think
many times people will study that. a number of lives we were able to save after this virus has come from a foreign land. i think republicans will go down from a perspective of looking forward and saving a lot of lives. and i don't think we've changed from that position at all. maybe at times through media, people are just now hearing it, but it wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that leadership. president trump deserves a lot of credit for that. i know when president biden -- i know he got the vaccine before he was sworn in and somehow he thought he created it, but his own vice president criticized it which was not good for the american public which was real concerning to all of us that people would sit there and criticize something that could save a lot of lives. >> reporter: on vaccines again, there was a meeting or an event with key members earlier this morning advocating constituents take the vaccine. should house members, republican and democrat, be putting out
statements, doing events to show that this isn't a partisan issue? >> well, i think when members first got the vaccine, that's what they were doing and showing. i mean, i believe that's continuing to be going forward. more information should be provided. because at this moment in time, i think anyone that wants a vaccine should be able to get it. but i think the aspect to it, many times, if people have questions about it, let's answer the questions. let's not say oh, you can't put any information out. i think what would really have people have greater trust, provide all the science. provide all the information. instead of trying to withhold something. that would bring something, somebody more doubt. i think that's a wrong approach, and i think at times we hear from from the white house and that's wrong. >> the house republican leader taking questions at his weekly press conference. some of it, get ready for it, midterm campaign messaging.
ask about one thing, he's going to talk about joe biden and inflation. something else, he's going to talk about kamala harris. the democrats do it as well. there was interesting things from the leader mccarthy. on the end, should republicans be promoting vaccines? and he said everyone should be able to get a vaccine. but he does not want to deal with the fact. he punts and moves onto other things that many members of his own republican family either continue to spread, marjorie taylor greene, misinformation, or refuse to get them or tell us whether they're going to get them. they're just not good messengers at a time of pandemic. >> right. that's a refrain we've heard a lot. i asked a lot about this. republicans would say yes, i believe they're safe and effective. i have received it and encourage other people to get it, but it's a personal choice. it shouldn't be mandated. the biden administration is not pushing for minnesoandates. base is skeptical of vaccines. that's why you're hearing leaders like mccarthy walking
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the bipartisan framework on paper. there are disagreements but there's new optimism on capitol hill about that deal coming together. last night, president biden says compromise will happen. >> the answer is absolutely positively yes. >> we're going to fix the bridge of yours going into kentucky. >> a tribute to the optimism. this is who he is. he's a creature of the senate. he believes you can put people in a room, they'll work it out. does he have evidence they will after they lost a vote yesterday? >> well, he's hoping that this will come together at the bipartisan support for that infrastructure plan. but one thing i always go back to and remember about biden was during the campaign, there a moment when he said he believed republicans would have an epiphany when president trump was out of office. that epiphany has not come. what you're seeing is this key test with the bipartisan infrastructure proposal to see if biden can get what he
promised to the american people. that he can work across the aisle even if it's on this narrow plan. you heard him talk about the acknowledgment that the former president poisoned the well, but he believes that ultimately bipartisanship will thrive. maybe it will happen on infrastructure, but i'm not so sure it's going to happen on every other issue. >> he believes it so much that he's unwilling right now progressives in his party are saying mr. president, at least on voting rights, at least on voting rights, bang heads in the party and get them to suspend the phil buster for this one issue. the president last night says i don't think so. >> i've been saying for a long, long time the abuse of the filibuster is pretty overwhelming. i would go wac to that, you have to maintain the floor. you have to stand there and talk and hold the floor. there's no reason to protect it other than you're going to throw the entire congress into chaos and nothing will get done.
nothing at all will get done. >> he says nothing will get done if you throw out the filibuster. on his left are a whole long line of democrats saying sir, nothing is getting done, because of the filibuster. >> i mean, yeah, exactly. the argument for ditching the filibuster specifically to pass the democratic bills. the things he campaigned on. i think it was interesting in the answer, he didn't articulate the flip side of it in that there's a lot of concern that if you get rid of the filibuster, what happens when republicans control everything and undo the laws quickly and start passing their own, for instance, anti-abortion bills or something like that. and so -- but, i mean, president biden is a creature of the senate. because of that, he has a sort of institutional framework and belief that a lot of the party doesn't particularly care about right now. he's trying to both say voting rights are important, but he's not going to get rid of the filibuster. >> let me steal the epiphany phrase. joe biden believes he's still holding out hope the republicans
will have a change of heart. something on voting rights. >> what i also want to do, i want to make sure we bring along not just all the democrats. we bring along republicans who know better. they know better than this. >> a lot of them may know better than this when you talk to them off the record. private conversations about the state voting laws, up to 18 states that have rolled back the way you were able to vote in 2020. they may know it. but they're not doing anything about it because they see it as their path to power. >> that's right. and it's been this way for a few years now. right? we've been talking about voting rights. we saw the supreme court act on it over the last couple years. and the idea that congress would come in and repair some of the gutting of the voting rights act. at this point, there are three options that have been floated in terms of voting rights. the for the people act, the june lu wis act and the manchin skinny voting rights bill, or least of wishes. one of those are gaining any
traction with republicans. i do think you hear somebody in joe biden who is waxing in a stol jik for an old senate and old republican party that doesn't really exist anymore, and there's no indication that it's ever coming back. >> and he's hearing it from members of his own party. this is a progressive from new york, the idea that the for the people act and john lewis voting rights act will pass without defiance defies reality. so the president is causing a ripple if not worse to his left. >> the frustrations on the left are boiling over on voting rights and the infrastructure bill, back to what we were talking about before, biden is giving time for the bipartisan deal and democrats are starting to get worried that republicans are playing them. that they're not serious, they're just trying to run off the clock. but it's important to remember at least with the infrastructure bill that it's not just about biden's -- the allure of bipartisanship. he also knows that he needs to
convince joe manchin and kiersten cinema to go along with the massive spending bill and the only way is to get a bipartisan infrastructure bill or exhaust the options. it's causing heart burn among progressives. >> the president out doing a town hall last night. there's questions will he travel more. some of it is the pandemic. midterm elections are about the president. is last night a trial run of sorts? are they testing things out? do they plan to be active, getting him out more? >> well, i think they like these type of town halls. it's a chance for him to connect with people. you've seen him slowly start to head out. he likes to go to the states, or areas that are also republican areas. ohio is obviously a state that president obama had won, but has really flipped and gone to the republican side. biden is arguing he has that appeal with working class
voters, but they understand that biden, he also just enjoys being face to face with people and not just at the white house. so i think you probably will see him out more. >> he noted the bridge from cincinnati goes from mitch mcconnell to kentucky. he noted that. we'll see you here tomorrow. don't go anywhere. erica hill picks up right now. thank you for joining us today. you're in the cnn news room. president biden once again calling this the pandemic of the unvaccinated. for the millions of americans who got the shot, may not feel like it. the white house reportedly in talks with top health officials about whether to push for updated mask guidance. we're following that and also this. a cdc advisory meeting underway on the agenda, safety issues concerning the johnson & johnson vaccine and the possible need for booster