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guidance for the vaccinated. >> potentially very big news. also president biden making a case for his economic and legislative agendas. in a bipartisan investigation of the january 6th insurrection but his primary focus was fighting the resurgence of coronavirus. >> it's real simple. we have a pandemic for those who haven't gotten a vaccination. it's that basic. it's that simple. if you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized. you're not going to be in an icu unit, and you're not going to die. there's legitimate questions people can ask they worry about getting vaccinated. >> when will children under 12 be able to get vaccinated. >> soon, i believe. they are doing the examinations now, the testing now and making the decision now. the cdc is going to say that what we should do is everyone over the age of -- under the age of 12 should probably be wearing a mask in school.
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that's probably what's going to happen. i don't care if you think i'm satan reincarnated. the fact is you can't look at that television and say, nothing happened on the 6th. you can't listen to people who say this was a peaceful march. what happens is the vote on monday is a motion to be able to proceed to this issue. then they're going to debate the issue of the individual elements of this plan to say, sure, we'll fix that damn bridge of yours going into kentucky. any way, but i think it's going to get done. the abuse of the filibuster is pretty overwhelming. there's no reason to protect it other than you're going to throw the entire congress into chaos and nothing will get done. >> right. >> nothing at all will get done. never before has there been an attempt by state legislatures to
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take over the ability to determine who won. not count the votes, determine who won. i want to see the united states congress, the united states senate, pass s1 and s 4 the john lewis act, get it to my desk so i can sign it. >> all right. let's bring in political director david chalian and cnn political commentator michael smerconish. david, let me begin with you. i want to hear your top line take aways, but i think the big news out of this in many ways the white house may be re-examining their mask guidelines. what do you think about that and its potential impact? >> reporter: yeah. obviously this is going to be a potential political pitfall that should indeed the administration move forward with that guidance. you know the administration is going to be on precarious ground to figure out how to do that
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without a revolt of vaccinated people across the country who were getting that shot with the belief that they were going to have freedom from the virus, freedom from some of these precautions that were in place. it did not sound like they were going to go there fully yet last night, but i think it is part of why you heard, as brianna referenced at the top, this plea. i thought that was a most stern conversation the president had with the american people about getting a shot. i mean, he was out right sort of begging americans who haven't gotten it to listen to all of the evidence that exists out there and go and get this shot because it has stalled. and that is a problem. >> you know, michael, he's promising clearly what we heard last night freedom from dying from the virus, right? that's really what he's promising here, freedom from dying. and i wonder what are the
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pitfalls, as you see them, when he does have to navigate this and what would happen if the white house or sorry the biden administration says, yeah, you have to mask up again and doesn't make it optional but actually says, hey, this is our guidance. we think if you're vaccinated and you're in these certain places where we told you before you could be unmaxed now you have to be masked. >> i think he's saying all the right things, brianna, but we hit a wall. and no amount of argument from the president is going to get this job done. no more psas are going to get this job done because the people that he needs to reach just aren't listening and are stuck in their ways. i don't like the idea of a mask mandate. to me it's completely backwards. we aren't mandating vaccination for the unvaccinated but we're going to mandate masks for those who are vaccinated. i mean, maybe what the president needs to do at this stage is set an example and say to the 9
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million federal employees, including all those who are military personnel, the same thing that cnn has said to all of us, if we want to come back to the workplace or the law firm where i'm associated has said to me, if i want to enter their space, you need to be vaccinated. >> yeah. i think that's going to be a real possibility here once we see this not just be an emergency use authorization. that's what they're expecting. and also right now the numbers in the military are actually significantly higher than the general population in the u.s. it's important to note that as well. >> yeah. david, i know one other moment really jumped out at you. i want to play that from president biden and get your reaction. >> the kinds of things that are being said of late, i think you're beginning to see -- and democrats as well -- sort of the venom leak out of a lot of it. we got to get beyond this. what do you say to your
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grandchildren or your children about what's happening? do you ever remember a time like this before in the entire history? whether you're a democrat or a republican. this is not who we are. the rest of the world is wondering about us. those of you who travel abroad, not a joke. not a joke. you ask -- when i went to this g7, all the major democracies, i walked in and i know a lot of them because of my role in the past. i walked in and said america is back. and they go -- i'm serious, heads of state, i give you my word as a biden. they said, are you really back? i mean, how can -- we believe you, joe. but will the country ever get it together? >> david, that's kind of devastating. my word as a biden aside, the foreign leaders are still looking and saying, look, you guys have real problems and our trust in your stability by implication has been rocked. what was your read on that? >> reporter: yeah. when i listened to that answer
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last night, i thought wow. that kind of incapsulates the entire sort of biden rational for being, his presidency, right? draining the venom in the partisan ranker that has so dominated our political culture. that was one piece of it. and trying to restore that image on the world stage. this to me when he was giving that answer in response to, you know, the events that occurred yesterday around the january 6th committee and if this is forever broken or not, he talked about his faith in the american people as to why he doesn't think it's broken. and i just thought what you saw there was that battle for the soul of the nation that he campaigned on and how committed he still is to it as sort of the entire rational of his presidency. >> what do you think, michael? >> i think that the view from afar is much like the view that i have here at home, which is what's wrong with these people?
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they can't agree on how to fix their roads and their bridges. they had these tumultuous events on january 6th, literally an attempted insurrection and can't reach an accord as to how those events should be investigated. i think as well that speaker pelosi is in a really difficult position, a catch 22 with regard to the members who are republicans kind of damned if she does and damned if she doesn't, but i think she made the wrong political calculus and it would be better to have the jim jordans of the world inside the tent than outside the tent shine a spotlight on exactly what it is they're saying and let the whole world watch instead of perpetuating the argument that they'll make which is to say, see, it's all partisanship. so, these are tough times. and i share the view that joe biden was explaining that he gets from abroad. >> gentlemen, stand by for me, if you would, because biden also referenced a shift in tone in the gop that we're seeing. there's many prominent republicans who are coming out
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now encouraging americans to get vaccinated. let's listen. >> if you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from covid is effectively zero. these vaccines are saving lives. they are reducing mortality. >> you do see about 95 to 98% of people in the hospital for covid are people that are unvaccinated. and i just -- i was ready to get the vaccine. it's safe and effective. i took it. i wanted to show the picture to just encourage people. >> this is not complicated. 97% of the people who are in the hospital now for covid are unvaccinated. so if there's anybody out there willing to listen, get vaccinated. >> if you have the chance, get the shot. but if you don't -- >> it will save your life. >> just like we have been
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saying, please take covid seriously. i can't say it enough, enough people have died. >> like we've been saying. fact check, not like you have been saying. but that aside, you know, david, it is good to hear. it is good to hear that all of these folks are taking the side of science because quite frankly they want their constituents or their viewers to live. that's very important. but i wonder what you think about this because it seems like it might not make that much of a difference at this point. >> reporter: well, it may make some difference certainly on the margins, brianna. obviously it's a battle now to get the unvaccinated vaccinated as michael was saying. we have seen in polling that people say who are unvaccinated they really have no plans to get the shot. so any convincing, especially in sort of an information echo chamber ecosystem that somebody may be swimming in to get re-enforcing positive message to get the vaccine, i think we all
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should welcome that. whatever minimal positive impact it may have, that's worth it. >> one person it's worth it. >> absolutely. >> that one person. we know that. >> because this disinformation can literally be deadly. michael, i want to give you the last word. speaking on behalf of independence, as you do, i wonder what you make of this very recent change and whether it's motivated by political calculation as well as humanitarian concern because it is stark and it seems swift. >> yeah. it's a little too little too late as they say. i mean, the one statistic i've been repeating is the fact -- and this is just one illustration, that last week in l.a. county every person hospitalized for a covid-related ailment was unvaccinated. in other words, there was no one hospitalized in all of l.a. county last week for covid-related ailment who had the vaccine. that's the one fact i've shared on radio, on television and with
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anybody in my orbit who is unvaccinated. >> yeah. >> that sort of says it all. >> that's all you need to know. >> really important information to get out particularly as folks deal with some of this confusion. michael and david, thank you. >> just wish that these folks had started saying this sooner. it could have made more of a difference. ahead, we'll speak live with the newlywed couple that asked biden about hesitancy in the black community when it comes to the vaccine. plus a standoff erupts as republicans poll their picks for the january 6th committee after speaker nancy pelosi rejects two of them. and new audio surfaces of donald trump trying to whitewash the insurrection again and defending his actions that led to that riot. em have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity and gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. we're carvana, the company
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house as minority leader kevin mccarthy blasts speaker pelosi for rejecting two of his five appointed members to the committee to investigate the january 6th insurrection. joining us now to talk about this is former virginia congressman denver riggleman. congressman, thank you so much for joining us for this. i just wonder as you're looking at how this developed he put forward five picks, three of whom had questioned the election results, two of those nancy pelosi nixed and he pulled everybody from the committee. what is your take on where things stand right now. >> well, i think this is what maybe, you know, kevin wanted. now he has the ability to say this is completely partisan. even though it's not. and when i saw this i was mildly surprised that nancy pulled off those members but she's in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. i look at this politically, i would want the people i think enemies on the inside figuratively as we go through this, but on the other hand, it will be politicized anyhow with
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partisan rhetoric. impossible situation. now that you're going to see republicans gop will try to paint this as partisan. democrats are going to try to move toward the middle little bit and make sure that this looks like something that's completely facts based. it needs to be, it needs to be nonpartisan and liz was spot on. so much disingenuous chatter we need to move forward and make sure this happens. >> liz cheney backed the speaker on this, right? she essentially said that those two members who were yanked should have been disqualified. but i wonder, you know, politics aside, let's just say what's best for america here, which i don't know that we hear a lot of in washington, but what would have been best? would it have been okay, do you think, to have jim jordan and jim banks on this committee so that at least americans could hear what a significant chunk of the country believes? >> i think it would have been okay. i think that goes back to whatever the political calculation is for republicans or democrats right now. and i'm to the point, brianna, i don't care about the political
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calculation. i think americans need to hear the truth and they need to hear the facts. they need -- they don't need politics and professionalism to be mutually exclusive. they need individuals that are pretty good at parsing through bull shit. that's what they need. they data specific individuals and facts-based individuals. i think to have those -- to have jim and jim on the committee, i don't think it was an awful thing. but i also believe it would have been politicized anyhow. that's the thing, brianna. at this point, i think they just need to move forward. i think that's why liz was so vocal last night. i think that's why other individuals understood this was already politicized. but again, brianna, you bring up a great point. it's sort of -- right, what is it 6 in one hand, half dozen in another. how do you play this when the bipartisan was rejected by the republicans which was surprised when they had 35 votes. that was lost by the gop to have a bipartisan commission. it's a political calculation
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because you wonder if they were going to just politicize it anyhow. it's a very difficult question to answer. but i still think we go forward and do this. >> on the topic of -- look, to be clear, liz cheney, there is a republican voice on this committee. it's liz cheney. >> there is. >> picked by the speaker pelosi, one that kevin mccarthy may not be happy about. on the topic of january 6th, there's a new book out by carol len ig and phil rucker about really donald trump and his administration writ large but there's a fascinating moment sound of him talking to them about how he saw that crowd on january 6th. let's listen. >> what did you hope they would do when you said go up there and stop the steal? >> well, i heard that people wanted to go down to -- that wasn't my rally per se. there were a lot of people that spoke. they had rallies the night before. they had speakers all over the city. you had hundreds of thousands of
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people. i would venture to say -- i think it was the largest crowd i've ever spoken before. it went from that point, which is almost at the white house, to beyond the washington monument. it was -- and wide. and -- >> but if you could have waved your wand -- >> it was a loving crowd. i heard that from many people. that was a loving crowd. many, many people told me. and you know, it was too bad. it was too bad that you know, that they did. but my statement -- >> but mr. president, i apologize. what we're trying to understand is not blame, not we want to understand what did you want when you said go up there? what would you have dreamed for them to do? >> no. i understand that. you will show not to go in although they were ushered in by the police. in all fairness the capitol police were ushering people in.
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the capitol police were very friendly. they were hugging and kissing. you don't see that. plenty of tape on that, too. because the capitol police were -- that's the way it is. but, i wanted -- i mean, personally what i wanted is what they wanted. they showed up. just to show support because i happen to believe the election was rigged at a level like nothing has ever been rigged before. there's tremendous proof. there's tremendous proof. statistically it wasn't even possible that he won. i mean, things such as if you win florida and ohio and iowa, there's never been a loss. there was a loss. >> did you need better lawyers? because they took it to court because they didn't give -- >> no, we need better judges. >> all right. that whole last bit i will say was a load of as my grandfather was say pucky. that was just not true.
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he talks about -- >> i know there's worse words. i'm trying to be creative. look at this loving crowd, denver. he talks about a loving crowd. we're watching video of that loving crowd. what do you think about what you heard him say there? >> i would say officer fanone wouldn't define this as a loving crowd. hugging and kissing, i don't think the 140 individuals that were injured, law enforcement would say this is loving, you know, or hugging and kissing or whatever that ridiculousness is. and if this was such a loving crowd, i don't think the president or anybody would be that against any type of investigation, right, brianna? this was loving, this wasn't his rally, why is anybody worried? that's where people like me sort of come in who have been in intelligence and counterterrorism and looked at this from a domestic terrorism lens and data, if this is hugging and loving, we have a real problem in the united states. this is not how i dated my wife obviously, right? and so, i mean, those are some of the things we have to look at. but to listen to that
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ridiculousness is very difficult for people who look at this on a facts-based analytical way because that's really just tripe what president trump was saying in that interview. >> maybe he believes violence perpetrated in his name is a way to show love to him. but that's obviously pretty perverted, i would say. >> it doesn't make any sense. >> no. congressman, thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> thank you so much, brbrianna. i appreciate it. new this morning, president biden is sending in strike forces to fight violent crimes. we'll talk to the administration what about that means what the plan is next. and the truth about covid vaccines. we're going to sort out the facts from the fiction. ♪ before discovering nexium 24hr
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just in to cnn the biden
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justice department is deploying strike forces to combat violent crime. they're going to be based in chicago, los angeles, new york, the san francisco bay area and washington, d.c. and this will focus on gun trafficking. something that the president talked about during last night's cnn town hall. >> actually crime is down. gun violence and murder rates are up. guns. it's not because the gun shops in the cities are selling these guns. they are either shadow gun dealers and/or gun shops that are not abiding by the law. so we'll do major investigations and shut those guys down and put some of them in jail for what they're doing. >> joining us now is the deputy attorney general of the united states, lisa monaco. thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> good morning, brianna. good to be with you. >> tell us a little more about these gun strike forces. what is the aim here?
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and what are they going to be doing in these cities? >> well, brianna, today, as you noted, the attorney general and i will will be launching these strike forces nationwide. they are focussed on disrupting illegal firearms trafficking networks. so we obviously always want to go after the individual who is pulling the trigger that's costing lives in our communities, but we also need to go after the networks, the very illegal trafficking networks that are putting those guns in the hands of those criminals in the first place. so, what we're doing with these strike forces is telling the u.s. attorneys, the chief federal law enforcement officials in those cities, to work across the jurisdictions, to focus on where those crime guns are coming from, where they're flowing into in their communities and then connecting the dots by sharing intelligence, unique intelligence, that actually the atf the bureau of alcohol and tobacco and firearms part of the
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justice department, unique intelligence it can provide to federal, state and local law enforcement partners to literally connect the dots at crime scenes, analyzing ballistics evidence and seeing where those guns come from. so, we're looking at the networks as well as the shooters themselves. >> last year the trump administration launched operation legend. they sent hundreds of investigators to nine u.s. cities that were seeing a rise in crime. how is what you're announcing here different from those efforts under the trump administration? >> well, brianna, what this is is not a short-term surge. this is a focussed coordinated effort to build out those networks, to understand where the guns are coming from, to focus on the networks, to focus on the illegal firearms trafficking routes. and what we're doing is we're telling the u.s. attorneys to lead these efforts to coordinate and provide assistance and intelligence and resources to their state and local partners
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to build out over the long-term and in a continuous way, not a short-term surge, to look at these networks and to take down the entire network. so not only are they looking at crimes within their jurisdictions, but they're purposefully looking outside and addressing the whole network, the across jurisdictions. because what we found in the intelligence is the time to crime, that's what we call it, from the sale of a firearm to the way it travels and then is used in a particular jurisdiction is actually shortening. so we want to understand where those guns are coming from and then go after both the sources as well as the markets where they're being used. >> so taking a look at where you're doing this, chicago, new york city, here in washington, d.c., san francisco bay area, los angeles. you know, just this weekend in chicago there were at least 53 people that we know of who were shot in 41 shootings, but actually those numbers don't even tell the full picture here. when you look at the death rate
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per 100,000 residents, chicago i think many people would be surprised to find out doesn't even make the top ten list of cities with the most violent crimes according to the fbi's data here. that's the latest year i should say, 002019 for which informations are complete. cities like detroit, st. louis, and memphis have higher, much higher violent crime rates than any of the cities that you're sending resources to. memphis, those cities i mentioned, it's twice the rate of chicago. so, how did you pick these cities? these are certainly the ones that are getting the most negative headlines, but these other cities are having perhaps bigger problems. >> well, brianna, the point of this initiative and this focussed effort is, yes, we're launching these strike forces in these cities, as you noted. but they are purposefully looking also outside. so for instance, some of the places that you mentioned are where we're seeing those guns
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trafficked from and flowing into chicago. so, this is a cross jurisdictional effort and the prosecutors in chicago, the investigators in chicago will be working with those other jurisdictions to identify the networks and take down the entire network. you mentioned chicago, brianna, the attorney general is traveling later today to chicago where, as you noted unfortunately, some 50 people were shot over the weekend. he'll be traveling there to meet with state and local law enforcement and federal partners to engage with community leaders to talk about this initiative. that's after he and i go to atf headquarters here in d.c. to meet with the leaders of these strike forces, the agents, the analysts who are conducting these investigations and who will be leading this effort. and then later today also, brianna, i'll be going to the mobile command center here in d.c. that the atf runs and
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conducts this ballistics evidence to help contribute to investigations of violent crimes. indeed, it's the same place that was used to help examine the ballistics evidence from the shooting outside nationals park that happened just last weekend. >> and just real quickly before i let you go, lisa but detroit, memphis, st. louis, what's going to be done when it comes to those cities because the violent crime numbers there, they are staggering. >> well , this initiative, thes strike forces are part of the justice department's comprehensive violent crime reduction initiative nationwide. every u.s. attorney, every federal state and local law enforcement entity in those cities, the u.s. attorneys in those cities, detroit, memphis, et cetera, have all been constructing strategies specifically directed by the attorney general and myself to
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develop violent crime reduction strategies tailored to those locations, working with state and local law enforcement partners in those cities to go after the key drivers of violent crime in those particular cities. whether it's illegally trafficked firearms, whether it's particularly violent repeat offenders. those strategies are tailored to those particular cities, some of which as i mentioned may be the sources for guns flowing in to these strike force cities. >> deputy attorney general, lisa monaco, thank you so much for being with us. president biden was asked about vaccine hesitancy among african-americans during last night's cnn town hall. he said this -- >> how you working toward convincing those in these communities that the vaccine is safe? >> it's really an important question because in the african-american community there is less of an uptake of the vaccination. we've taken literally mobile
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congratulations to you both. wonderful journey is ahead of you. one of the greatest things on earth. first question is, were you satisfied with president biden's response to your question? >> yeah. for the most part i was. i felt like i got an answer as to how he was trying to get more vaccinations in the african-american community. however, i don't think i got an answer as to how he was convincing those who are against it to get the vaccination. there are many -- there's a lot of misinformation out there that a lot of african-americans are following. and i didn't get an answer as to how he's going to combat that. >> that's a fair point. stephanie, go ahead, please. >> i would agree with that as well. one of the biggest things that we've heard and noticed is that we've seen the vans. we've seen the data that they are bringing it to these
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different hard-hit communities. what we're not seeing is the researchers behind this looking like christian and myself. my question that was not answered, was not able to be asked, was what is the administration doing to make sure that there are more black doctors, more black people in med school, more black people in this research communities so that the people that are developing these vaccines are looking a lot more like us and invoking a lot more of that trust. a lot of people who look like us aren't able to say, hey, i know that that's not true about the vaccine because my aunt helped develop it, or my father is a doctor and he was one of the top researchers involved in this. none of us can say things like that. so what is his administration doing to ensure that there are more people who are doing community research that are coming actually from these communities because i believe
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that that would instill so much more trust. >> stephanie, that's such an important point because you're right, it's who you know and the trust coming from that community and that kind of an initiative can make a huge difference. it's an important point. i want to stick with you, stephanie and then christian weigh in. but i want to understand specifically what's the kind of misinformation you hear from your families and friends about why they're vaccine hesitant or skeptical? >> a lot of them are relying a lot more on the internet and social media. some of the circles around them. so if you take an inner city black community where you have a grandfather or grandmother raising a lot of her younger children, that grandmother may have directly been part of that network that was used in the us the keegan experiments, some of the world war ii experimentation. there hasn't been enough distance in time that we weren't
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experimented on. when we think of families like henrietta lax and some of these others where -- all kinds of research that family never saw anything. >> yes. i think we're having some problems with your connection. but i want to thank you both for joining us. you're right. there is, as biden said, you just pointed out a real historic reason but it's being disseminated through social media. i want to thank you you both and congratulate you both, stephanie and christian, good luck ahead. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, soaring prices for everything from gas to groceries. are they here to stay? and doctor's tragic message to patients dying of covid who had not been vaccinated.
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dramatic price increases for staples like food and gas, so you're probably feeling it. and this is negatively impacting americans as some experts are sounding the alarm to expect more of the same or worse. cnn's vanessa yercavich is joining us now. people are curious how this is going to affect their pocketbook and the alarm is being soundedment >> reporter: absolutely. americans and especially small business owners are paying close attention to these rising prices. president biden was asked about this last night in the cnn town hall. he said it's irrational for prices to be higher because the economy is reopening. so we head today scranton, pennsylvania, president biden's hometown to ask people there how they feel about these rising prices. the price of just about everything is going up. from used cars to gas to food.
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>> when things go up, it hits immediately. >> reporter: consumer prices are up 5.4% since last june. the biggest jump in annual inflation in nearly 13 years. and in president biden's hometown of scranton, pennsylvania, which he often uses to take the temperature, they're feeling it firsthand. >> this is probably the worst it's been in a long time. >> reporter: mike maletsky is at the northeast- pennsylvania aut auction where he replenishes his car lot. >> it's driving the prices up. >> reporter: the price of a used car will cost you 27% more. are you seeing prices that you have never seen before for vehicles? >> yes, yes. they're outrageous. >> reporter: and that's because the economy's engine is roaring again. but supply chains across industries are slower to start. add labor shortages and it simply costs more to do
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business. at the pump, gas is up about a dollar since last year. >> my car usually takes $25 to fill up. it's $10 more. >> reporter: in the grocery store the price of milk up 5.6%. fruits and vegetables, 3.2%. >> we're seeing, again, 10, 15% increases, things like flour, mayonnaise, a lot of oils, everything we're experiencing is unprecedented. >> i might not buy as much as something for two weeks, might buy like a week at a time instead of buying in bulk. >> reporter: and the price of beef is rising to 4.5% in june. that's a problem for coney island's lunch known for its hot dogs in downtown scranton for nearly 100 years. >> like hot dogs, they've gone up. our hamburgers, our chili sauce. that's made with ground beef. >> reporter: just about every single item on peter ventura's
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menu costs him more to make, but he hasn't raised prices just yet. >> i'm wondering when they're going to stop. then i'll know where my baseline is. >> reporter: inevitably you will have to. >> i have to raise prices. there's no way to get around it. >> reporter: now, president biden and the federal reserve chairman jerome powell say that these price increases are temporary, but a lot of the small business owners that we spoke to think that some of these higher prices will actually stick, and the customers we spoke to say that they're okay paying these higher prices for now. they just don't want to see them go up a lot more. but it's unclear right now just how far they will rise, if they'll level off or come down any time soon. brianna? >> make it temporary, please. vane vanessa yercavich, thank you so much. >> great look in scranton. president biden selling his economic agenda during the cnn
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town hall as well as try to allay concerns that increasing spending will result in inflation. >> moody's today, not some liberal think tank, said if we pass the other two things i'm trying to get done, we will, in fact, reduce inflation -- reduce inflation, reduce inflation. because we're going to be providing good opportunities and jobs for people who are, in fact, going to be reinvesting that money back in all the things we're talking about. driving down prices, not raising prices. >> speaking of moody's today, joining us now, mark zandi, moody's chief analytics. is the president correct? and what led you to this conclusion inflation is not a long-term concern? >> yeah, he's right. i think the legislation he's talking about, the infrastructure plan and the increased investment in social programs will help to lift
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long-term economic with the hopes of improved labor productivity. better roads, bridges, airport, broadband are going to be more productive in the things that we do. and also it lifts labor force participation, labor force growth because in social programs there's money for child care, paid family leave allows people to go to work. so that's stronger growth allows for diminished inflationary pressures. we are able to grow more quickly without seeing inflation pick up in any significant degree. what we're talking about now, these are more longer run. the legislation that the president was talking about will play out over the next decade. and it's a little bit different than the near term issues with regard to inflation you previously reported on. >> briefly, do you agree the short term issues are about supply chain issues? >> i do. this is typical. you come out of recessions and
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demand takes off, supply side of the economy slower, businesses are reluctant to kick into high gear until they're absolutely sure demand is here to stay. of course, in this pandemic, global supply chains have been completely scrambled, a complete mess. so ironing all that out is going to take a bit of time. but my sense is -- my strong view is that as we make our way into next year -- certainly by this time next year, inflation will settle back into something we're more comfortable with. >> but you do make the point that that view is largely dependent upon the passage of the infrastructure bill, which is very very much still a jump ball on capitol hill. i want to read you something you wrote about the infrastructure bill, you write, failing to pass the legislation would certainly diminish the economy's prospects. so why do you think that? >> well, i think we all can agree that our infrastructure is inadequate, and that we've been under investing in it for decades. really the last -- back into the
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'50s and '60s with the interstate highway system we invested aggressively in the highway structure. it shows. in our bridges, airports, broadband, different parts of the country. there is a big need here, and these -- this infrastructure is critical for a competitive economy, for businesses to operate efficiently, for us to get to work on time. the commute. i can do this, john. i can put a map of the united states across here in my room. i could close my eyes, throw a dart, hit anywhere, take a couple miles radius around that dart, and i could find an investment that would have a higher return than what i have to pay for 10 year treasury bond today. that's the situation we're in. if we don't make these investments, our economy will be diminished by t. we will not be competitive and grow as quickly as we should be able -- as we can. >> that is a vivid example of the benefits of investment infrastructure.
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thank you very much for joining us, mark zandi, and "new day" continues right now. hi there. i'm brianna keilar alongside john avalon. to viewers in the urgence and a roaround the world, it's july 2 thursday. the next few days and weeks could make or break joe biden's presidency six months after the job. in a live cnn town hall in cincinnati, the president seemed to be mindful of this. he made a desperate plea, really the most desperate plea he made to unvaccinated americans to get their shots. the delta variant is spreading so quickly that the white house is discussing whether tougher masking guidance is needed for the vaccinated. >> the president also made a plea for a bipartisan investigation of the january 6th capitol riot. and he pushed for his economic and legislative agenda as well. but his primary focus is ramping up the vaccination rate and crushing covid for good.

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