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details about the opening ceremony remains shrouded in mystery. it's already known no regular spectators will be in attendance. just how many athletes will participate? what sponsors and dignitaries will attend? all remain open questions. this as covid-19 cases are surging in tokyo, sparking the jaw-dropping statement by the head of the tokyo organizing committee that a last-minute cancelation of the games themselves is still an option. >> translator: we cannot predict what the epidemic will look like in the future. so for what to do should there be any surge of positive cases, we'll discuss accordingly if that happens. >> reporter: infections are already creeping up among athletes and those connected to the olympics. at least 71 so far. that includes kara eaker, an alternate for the u.s. gymnastics team. her dad said she feels okay and does not have any symptoms.
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>> definitely a disappointment for her and heartbreaking for us. >> reporter: eaker will return to the u.s. after ten days' isolation. despite all the restrictions, the so-called bubble of the olympic village has been punctured with several positive covid cases detected among the south african soccer team. tokyo officials insist the village is still safe. >> the olympic village is a safe place to stay. >> reporter: health experts say the wider strategy of keeping the visiting foreigners away from locals is failing. >> it's obvious that there seems to be some sort of interaction between guests and visitors and also local people. >> reporter: tokyo officials insist they are containing the situation with only a few dozen cases among some 22,000
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foreigners who have arrived for the game so far. >> if i thought all the tests were going to be negative, then i wouldn't bother doing the tests in the first place. and they are probably lower than we expected to see, if anything. >> reporter: but with more transmissible variants like delta, and with more than 11,000 athletes from 200 countries, fears are growing babout the rik to those visiting tokyo and the local population. and apprehension on the rise as more athletes test positive, knocking them out of contention on whether the games will actually be a true representation of olympic greatness. >> barring some 11th hour cancelation if these games go ahead, and it's stunning that three days out we're saying, if they go ahead, what will their legacy be? will this be the victory over covid-19 that japan promised
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when the games were postponed by a year after the pandemic begin? or will this be placing ad revenue over lives? >> will ripley, thank you so much. let's go to cnn's chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta live in tokyo. you just heard the tokyo 2020 olympics chief saying he's not ruling out an 11th hour cancelation of the games. what's your reaction? >> it's really surprising in some ways because we're here. there's obviously been a lot of preparations. but at the same time from a public health standpoint not that surprising. you are dealing with obviously the olympic games, 200 countries, more than that being represented, states and territories, many of these places, they don't have adequate vaccine programs. in japan itself, only 12% of the country has been vaccinated. the numbers have been going up over here, 80% of japanese locals did not want these olympics to happen here at this time. it's one of these things i think historically we'll look back on
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it and say was it the right move? so we'll see. but from a public health standpoint i don't think people are that surprised. >> there are now 71 cases that we know of now associated with these olympic games. we don't know much about the 71 cases. theoretically, they could all be asymptomatic, but who knows. but in terms of 71, that number, is that better, worse, or about what you expected? >> it's a little bit hard to know, jake. because there's not vaccine requirements for the olympic village. that may surprise a lot of people, but, again, there are many countries around the world that simply don't have adequate vaccine, and therefore the decisions were made. look, are we going to give vaccine to athletes over the vulnerable over healthcare workers? these are all discussions happening behind the scenes. i bring that up to say we don't know exactly what the status is of these 71 people in terms of their overall vaccine status. but if you look at it just from
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a positivity rate, it's still below 1% in terms of overall positivity rates. we'll see over the next several days as more people are getting tested. we're getting tested every day ourselves as journalists. the same thing is happening in the village. if more and more cases pop up, i think it may tell us something about the true nature of breakthrough infections, jake. you and i have talked about this a lot. we don't really test vaccinated people in the united states. vaccine testing has gone down 80% since the end of last year. what is true breakthrough infection rates? what's the significance of that? this is one thing that may be learned from these olympic games. >> let's talk about what you just mentioned, the fact that there is no vaccine requirement for the athletes because so many countries don't have access to the vaccine. just taking a step back, that's shocking. it's shocking that so much of the world doesn't even have access to this vaccine which so many americans are just glibly refusing to take.
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>> it is incredibly shocking, jake, especially when you're here now, we're here on the ground and we see the impact of this on a global scale. you take the continent of africa, only about 1% of that population has been fully vaccinated because of access. haiti just began their vaccination programs three days ago because of access. so, at the same time that we can't give away the vaccines in the united states, i can tell you being on the ground here in tokyo seeing the representation of these countries, there are places where people are begging for these vaccines at the same time. so, it is shocking. 80% of the vaccines so far that have been distributed around the world have gone to wealthy countries. and, again, there's countries around the world that are just now beginning their vaccine programs. >> there are going to be 11,000 athletes representing 200 countries. but not all of the athletes are going to be in tokyo for the
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whole duration of the game. theoretically that should help protect against covid spreading, i would think. >> yeah, i think so, too. what they're saying is you can come five days before your event and you got to leave two days after your event is over. so they're trying to really minimize the number of people here at any given time. they're also doing a lot of testing. they're trying to create a bubble-like environment. but it's hard, jake. the nba getting a resort in orlando and creating a bubble there is one thing. trying to do a bubble when you have so many countries involved, people coming in and out, you just saw from will ripley's report, that bubble's constantly getting pierced. you have to anticipate these sorts of things. and if you start to see a dramatic increase in numbers as a result, i think that's going to sort of force some decisions for the international olympic committee. >> it seems as though people are taking precautions in terms of the daily testing of journalists and athletes. but obviously we're all hoping
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that this doesn't become a huge superspreader event. what's preventing it from becoming that? >> you know, there's a few things, it's interesting. if you look at some of the protocols that have gone into place, they are really based on summer 2020 data. you see plexiglass, for example, between athletes working out. we know that this virus can be aerosolized so plexiglass doesn't do as much. those kinds of things i think are working against -- they're making it more likely that it's going to turn into a superspreader. the two things that i think are going to be most beneficial are the testing. they're being really diligent about testing. i talked to dr. brian mccloskey who's been charged with trying to oversee the protocols and he said we're going to err on the side of false negatives. we realize that a false positive is a really damaging thing for an athlete. but what's even more awful are false negative where's you miss some of these cases.
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so they're doing pcr testing. we know the different types of testing out there. pcr is going to be the most accurate. it's going to be the most sensitive more so than antigen testing. so that's probably going to be the biggest thing in terms of keeping this from becoming a superspreader event. if you test positive you're not getting on a plane, you're not interacting with people, that could hopefully people. >> all right, dr. sanjay gupta, thank you so much. good to see you. and it's not just in tokyo. how covid could force a change in plans for the biden administration at the u.s./mexico border. plus, cnn on the streets as gun violence spikes in yet another american city, the type of gun that police say is specifically leading to a rise in homicides there. stay with us. i dont hydrate like everyone else. because i'm not everyone else. they drink what they're told to drink. i drink what helps me rehydrate and recover:
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one crisis compounding another in the national lead. this summer surge of covid and the explosion of the highly contagious delta variant could delay the biden administration's plan to end a trump-era border policy, one that allows border agents to quickly expel migrants over health concerns. cnn's priscilla alvarez joins me now. biden's been under a lot of pressure to end this policy. >> and add to that list health experts who say there's no public health rationale for this policy. this is a policy that went into effect at the onset of the coronavirus pandemic during the trump administration. and what it allows is border authorities to turn away migrants that they encounter at the u.s./mexico border to put this into perspective, they have turned away more than half a million migrants since last october. now, we previously reported that the administration was considering winding down this policy at the end of july.
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but i am now being told that those conversations are changing, and the time line is influx. and the reason for that is because of the concerns over the various. so the biden administration now grappling with those variants here in the united states, and it's also now playing a part in their discussions over how they move away from this policy at the u.s./mexico border. >> and you spoke with officials at the biden white house about this. what did they have to say? >> white house officials told me there is still a public health need. so they are saying public health metrics will determine how they move forward with this policy. they are looking at things like vaccination rates among migrants, transmission rates from the countries of origin, but that doesn't mean the pressure is going to lay off. immigrant advocates were quite disappointed that is still the answer that they are getting and they are putting pressure for them to move on from this policy. >> priscilla, thank you so much for that report. in our politics lead, as restrictive voting rights legislation sweeps through the texas legislature, so is coronavirus. a group of texas democrats flew
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to washington, d.c. to deny the republican's quorum so as to prevent that legislation from being voted on and passing. since then, six of those texas house democrats have tested positive for coronavirus because all of them are fully vaccinated. thankfully, none of them have severe symptoms. joining us now republican congressman mike mccaul from texas. congressman, thanks for joining us. the texas tribune reports that a republican state legislature has offered to charter a private plane for these infected democratic state lawmakers to get back to texas and to vote. could they theoretically be brought back against their will? >> well, no, i don't think so. but i do think they have a responsibility to do their job. jake, we're in the minority up here in congress. and i don't always like what nancy pelosi puts on the floor. but i don't run away from my job. and i don't cut and run. i will show up on the floor and vote. elections do have consequences,
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and i think what they need to do is go back in the special session and vote their position, and then that's what democracy's all about. and they want to go back home to my state of texas and make the case why they should be in the majority, then that's what they should do. but i think running away from your job and your responsibilities is not the answer. >> now, since you and i last spoke about this legislation, some of the more onerous provisions have been removed. there was a piece -- pardon me, that would have basically blocked the souls to the polls provision. that's not there anymore. there was a piece that would have made it easier for elections to be overturned. that's been removed. but still, this legislation bans drive-through voting. it bans counties from allowing 24 hours of voting if they want. it bans officials from sending out absentee ballot applications if they're not specifically requested. theoretically, why make it harder to vote? texas' elections seem to go
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pretty well. they seem to go pretty well for republicans. >> listen, fundamentally what this bill, as i understand, i'm not in the state legislature, does, when you vote in person, you have to show and identify that you're the person that's legally can vote. and you have to have that identification. this essentially ensures the people that have mail-in ballots, mail-in votes are the same person that they say they are through identification. i would argue, look, we do have early voting in texas, and it's been expanded, and it was expanded under covid. i think early voting is a good idea. and when you vote in person you can always ensure it's the same person. when you have mail-in, we need to put these provisions in to make sure it's the same person. in delaware the president's home state, they don't even have early voting. and so, look, each state varies. as you know, under the constitution, founding fathers gave the states that
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prerogative. >> let's turn to afghanistan. the biden administration has launched a plan to evacuate the afghan allies, translators and others, who helped the u.s. with crucial services during the war. now we're told about 700 of these allies and 800 of their family members, 2,500 total, are expected to arrive at fort lee in virginia. but that still leaves tens of thousands of other afghan allies and their families in afghanistan. what's being done about them? >> well, that's the big question, jake. and, look, i think -- look, you've been pressing this issue. i have, too. i think it's had an influence on the administration to try to get these interpreters who worked with our special forces, and we promised them we would protect them and give them an immigrant visa. no one left behind is a phrase. and i'm glad the administration has finally woken up to this fact, and they are getting the first 700 that have been fully vetted in the process.
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so that's a positive step. however, to your point, you're talking about 9,000 interpreters, probably total when it comes to total, about 20,000 not to include family will be voting on a provision to raise the cap by 8,000 more this week, which i'll be supportive. but the administration really went into this decision i think in some ways very haphazardly without planning for the aftermath of what will happen, particularly when our military pulls out. and i think part of it is getting these people that worked with our special forces out of country. and i'm glad the 700 are coming to fort lee in virginia. but we need to find a safe third country that is close to the afghan area, one of our allies in that area where they can be fully processed. this will take probably one to two years, many of them haven't each filed their applications
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yet. >> so, do you support going to one of these third countries that the biden administration has talked about? because there was also some talk about letting them go to guam. and the governor of guam has said that he welcomes that. but the issue there is that once they're there, they would have even if they fail the vetting process, they would have more of a claim to apply for asylum because they're on u.s. territory, on u.s. ground. so you don't support the guam prospect, the guam plan? you like the third country idea? >> that would be my preference. if we can save their lives, guam would be effective. but i think it's a u.s. territory, therefore the constitution applies, as you talked about. and we don't know about their vetting. we do know the 700 have been fully vetted and cleared. but i think it's important that we find, they were talking about kazakhstan, they were talking about uae, qatar, kuwait, other neighboring countries where they could be properly vetted without all the full protections of the constitution.
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and in the event we get a bad apple, for instance, remember, this is a very dangerous part of the world with a lot of dangerous actors so we don't want to bring anybody in the united states that hasn't been fully vetted. >> you've called president biden's plan to withdraw poorly planned, and you've said he'll, quote, own the images of innocent afghans who are slaughtered. credible reports of atrocities are emerging right now. horrible news. how would you have ended america's longest war? >> i would have kept a small residual force at one of our bases probably in southern afghanistan as we did when we fully pulled out of iraq you saw the consequence of isis at the caliphate. syria i was able to argue successfully with president trump to keep a residual. i would have done the same here, a small footprint for stability. what you're going to see now is a nightmare unfolding where the taliban has already taken huge swaths of territory. the presidential palace just got
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fired rockets at the palace today. and also we're getting reports of the taliban are sending letters to the imams to get a list of all women between the ages of 15 to 40 to be married off to the taliban. i think what we're going to see with the women unfolding, i think will be the toughest visuals to look at. >> i hope you're wrong but i fear you're right. republican congressman mike mccaul of texas, i appreciate your time, sir. house republican leader kevin mccarthy has selected which members of his party will join the january 6th select committee, and the response from speaker pelosi may say a lot about the panel's future. stay with us.
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in our politics lead today, three out of five house republicans picked to sit on the january 6th committee, three of them have for months been pushing the lie that the 2020 election was stolen. three of them even voted to disenfranchise all the voters of arizona and all the voters of pennsylvania based on those lies. the three congressman i'm referring to are congressman jim banks, jim jordan, and troy nehls. will house speaker nancy pelosi approve these congressman for the committee? republicans are telling cnn they also want to investigate pelosi now and her role in approving security. >> reporter: yeah, that's going to be one of the focuses that republicans will have going forward looking at the role of nancy pelosi, what she did and she did not do on january 6th. what they are not saying is whether they will look into what
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donald trump in the run-up to january 6th. i asked several of them, they said they want to investigate everything and go where the facts lie, but they also made the point that nancy pelosi will be part of it. whether or not democrats call republicans who were in contact with donald trump in the run-up to january 6th to testify. that could include jim jordan himself. i asked jordan if he'd be willing to testify before this committee. he says he has nothing to hide and would be willing to go there if necessary. the first hearing will be next week, and then they will get into other issues and potentially with interactions with president trump. >> is there any indication, manu, that speaker pelosi might reject these picks? because, just on its face, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have three people who deny reality about the election investigate an insurrection based on the very lies that they tell. >> well, i asked her directly
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today if she's willing to veto any of kevin mccarthy's picks, and she said she is considering his proposals. she said she would make a decision when she's ready and that she would not say what she is weighing. but she importantly said one of the criteria is not whether or not they voted to overturn the election or voted to certify joe biden's victory on january 6th. she said that is not going to be her factor. but if she were to overturn one of mccarthy's picks, undoubtedly that would spark outrage from republicans. >> all right, manu raju on capitol hill, thanks so much. in our national lead today, investigators are gathering evidence in a pair of fatal shootings that happened in the space of roughly two hours on monday afternoon. the incidents are unrelated except for where they took place near birmingham, alabama. not new york, not chicago, not washington, d.c., birmingham, alabama. the nation's gun violence
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epidemic is not confined to big cities, it's everywhere. cnn's ryan young went to birmingham looking for reasons why. >> reporter: a spike in homicides in alabama's most populous city. birmingham police say homicides are up more than 16%. in 2020, birmingham saw the city's most homicides in 25 years. 122 people reported killed, leaving residents desperate for change. >> i hate thinking about it because i never would've thought something like this would've ever happened to my family. >> reporter: katrina grady is still coming to grips with what happened to her daughter in may. >> i froze up because i couldn't believe my baby just got shot. >> reporter: a nursing assistant, grady had stopped to help a car she saw on the side of the road. when shots rang out, her 8-year-old daughter caitlin was caught in the crossfire. >> she didn't even know that she was shot in the head nor in the arm. >> right in this area here is
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where ms. grady stopped to offer assistance. >> reporter: caitlin is just one of several children who have been the victim of an uptick in gun violence in the city this past year. >> what we're seeing is an overabundance of guns. >> reporter: birmingham police chief patrick smith says his officers are also dealing with an unprecedented number of guns on the street. not just any type of weapon. smith points to the availability of more high-powered assault weapons leading to an increase in homicides across the city. >> we no longer have that argument or fist fight in the backyard anymore. it's an argument that leads directly to a handgun. >> reporter: what's behind the surge? chief smith points to a number of things including covid-19 and its wide-ranging impacts from less officers on the streets to the impact on the city's court system. >> covid caused everything to shut down. people were let out of jail to
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eliminate the possibility of health threats to them for covid. >> reporter: the city of birmingham just allocated just under $100 million to the police department in next year's budget. >> every time i get the alert that someone has been killed or shot in our city, i think about my own mother. i consider the grieving mothers out here in our community. >> reporter: while the mayor says supporting the police department is a priority, he says they also need cooperation from the community. >> you're not going to arrest your way out of decreasing homicides. you need prevention measures, you need enforcement re-entry measures. that requires community, that requires partners. >> help me find the person responsible. >> reporter: katrina grady is encouraging people to say something when they see a crime take place. police are still looking for who's responsible for caitlin's shooting. but grady is thankful she still has her daughter. >> i'm okay. thank you for praying for me.
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>> just to know that your child is not here and just to know that my child could've been gone, too, as well. i wouldn't wish that on nobody. >> jake, when you think about these numbers, just think about it. ms. grady is a nurse. she stopped to help somebody who was in need, and then her family was shot at because someone started shooting at the car that she stopped to help. they still haven't caught that shooter. these incidents sort of stick out. and as i talk to police chiefs across the country, they keep coming back to the same subject. guns, guns, and more guns. they need more help getting them off the street. jake? >> ryan young with a tragic story, thank you so much. dr. anthony fauci like you've probably never seen him before. stay with us. refresh yep, so let me finish this. there's new hickory-smoked bacon, fresh mozzarella, smashed avocado... you know what, there's a lot! but it all makes a better footlong. can i get a word, in?
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conversations with executives from fox news about that network's coverage of vaccinations and the pandemic as a whole. the announcement comes just hours after president biden once again urged facebook executives to stop allowing the rampant spread of lies about the vaccine throughout their site. and as we learned just how many new cases are of the highly contagious delta variant as cnn's kaitlan collins now reports. >> reporter: fresh concerns about the delta variant reverberating through washington tonight. >> the delta variant now represents 83% of sequenced cases. in some parts of the country the percentage is even higher, particularly in areas of low vaccination rates. >> reporter: cdc director rochelle walensky warning of a dramatic increase in the highly contagious variant as press secretary jen psaki confirmed a vaccinated white house staffer has tested positive. >> the individual has mild symptoms. we know that there will be breakthrough cases. but cases in vaccinated
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individuals are typically mild. >> reporter: psaki also revealing there have been other undisclosed breakthrough infections among staff as house speaker nancy pelosi's office also confirmed one of her aides tested positive after coming into contact with the delegation of texas democrats. six months since president biden took office, the dynamics of the pandemic have shifted. >> when the president took office, he knew that this number one priority would be getting the pandemic under control. >> reporter: federal health officials say those who are vaccinated are well protected from the delta variant while voicing concerns for those who aren't. >> a lot of people are not vaccinated. and those are the ones that are getting infected. >> reporter: tonight cnn is learning about the extent of the white house's effort to get more people vaccinated, including ongoing discussions with fox news about their covid-19 coverage as the network has amplified vaccine skepticism during the pandemic. >> we understand also the importance of reaching fox's audience about the covid-19
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vaccines and their benefits. we don't see it as a partisan issue. we don't see vaccines as a political issue. >> reporter: after attempting to de-escalate their feud with facebook over the spread of misinformation, top biden aides say they're reviewing the law that shields social media companies from liability for content created by their users. >> we're reviewing that, and certainly they should be held accountable. and i think you've heard the president speak very aggressively about this. >> reporter: and, jake, today president biden on six months since taking office held his second cabinet meeting. the first one actually in the cabinet room with the full cabinet due to coronavirus restrictions previously. and, jake, during this meeting when reporters and cameras were in the room, the president was urging people to stay vigilant in the wake of the delta variant spreading throughout the united states at the great rate that it is according to the cdc director. and he said their next phase of the response here when it comes to covid-19 is making sure the unvaccinated get vaccinated. and he noted it's going to be an
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uphill climb but he does feel like they are making progress, even if it is gradual progress. >> joining us now to discuss dr. paul offit, the director of the vaccine education center at the children's hospital of philadelphia. dr. offit, i want to start with another kind of misinformation, the constant maga media and republican lawmakers' attacks on health experts, especially on dr. anthony fauci. today on capitol hill, fauci was confronted with an accusation basically from kentucky republican senator rand paul. take a listen. >> dr. fauci, knowing that it is a crime to lie to congress, do you wish to retract your statement of may 11th where you claimed that the nih never funded gain of function research in wuhan? >> senator paul, you do not know what you are talking about, quite frankly. and i want to say that officially. you do not know what you are talking about.
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this is a pattern that senator paul has been doing now at multiple hearings based on no reality. he is talking about gain of function. this has been evaluated multiple times by qualified people to not fall under the gain of function definition. i have not lied before congress. i have never lied certainly not before congress. case closed. >> i don't want to get into the details of what senator paul was attacking there and all that. but just the bigger picture here as a health professional. we keep seeing this, trump allies in congress, in governors' offices, in the media trying to make fauci a covid boogieman. he's a 40-year public servant. now, look, nobody is flawless, nobody has never made a mistake and i'm not saying he shouldn't be criticized. but they're really trying to attack him in a way that i've never seen before. what's your response?
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>> i think it started with the last administration where you saw attacks on science-based agencies like the environmental protection agency asked to take the phrase climate change off their website or the food and drug administration because they weren't moving quickly enough or the cdc. and i think what's so sad about this. i've known dr. fauci for more than 30 years. he is a dedicated public servant. and he represents the best of science. and in that what i mean is that as there is new information that's generated as we learn more and more, he's open-minded enough to potentially change recommendations if need be. i think for some people, and maybe rand paul is one of them. the fluidity of that is disconcerting. they want a guru who's never wrong in science, and medicine doesn't work that way. you learn as you go and dr. fauci represents the best of that. >> and i'm not suggesting in any way that he can't be criticized. but there's just this effort to really just undermine everything he ever says, almost accusing him of crimes. but i also want to ask you, since you're a pediatrician,
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today the director of the cdc rochelle walensky, she said unvaccinated children can and should wear masks in school. do you agree, should all kids going to school this fall be wearing masks if they're not fully vaccinated? >> actually, i think it puts a lot of burden on the school to figure out who's vaccinated and who's not. i think it frankly would be easier just to have mandates as we move into -- mask mandates as we move into the winter months because you have a virus like the delta virus which is clearly more contagious. you're going to have a lot of children less than 12 years of age who don't even have the option to get the vaccine. and i don't think this is going to be that efficient this winter. so i think children are at risk. there's no vaccine, i think my child's going to be at risk, if i was the parent of a child that age, i would want all those children to wear masks. >> what do you tell parents of children who are eligible for
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the vaccine 12 and over who are skeptical? what's your advice to them? how do you convince them to get their kids vaccinated? >> i think you should be skeptical of anything you put into your body. now we have an abundance of information. if you look at sort of the 12 to 15-year-old, we knew that there was a 2,300 child study, half the children got the vaccine, half the children got a placebo. there were 18 cases of covid in that study. 18 children suffered that virus all in the placebo group. now parents don't have to hope that their coin flip puts them on the right side, meaning the vaccine side. they can choose to get the vaccine and protect their child. what upsets me is when people just don't believe the data that they're shown. i don't know how you address that. >> all right, dr. paul offit, thank you so much. covid will be one of many topics up for a discussion in the special cnn presidential town hall when president biden joins cnn's don lemon tomorrow night at 8:00 eastern here on cnn. coming up on top of the covid dangers, a wildfire so large now it's bigger than the city of los angeles, and it's
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you are looking right now at an oregon wild fire that has burned an area about half the size of the state of rhode island and is so intense its creating its own weather. it is called the bootleg fire. it is one of 80 wild fires in 13 states, deadlier and more destructive wild fires are sadly the new normal, another man fess case of the climate crisis which is real and is hear.
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in our money lead under fire from pro-palestinian and progressive groups, ben and jerry's ice cream will no longer sell its ice cream in the west bank when its contract runs out in 2022. the company said we believe it is inconsistent with our values or ben and jerry's ice cream to be sold there. but in 2015, ben and jerry's believed its presence in the region could affect positive range. the move makes it the anti-israel ice cream. though, the company will continue to sell their products in israel, just not in the west bank. this is not the progressive liberal cause ben and jerry's has taken up, this one. last year the owners called for diverting more police funds into community programs and they called on americans to end white supremacy as they launched a podcast on racism. back in december, ben and jerry's launched the colin kaepernick inspired nondairy ice
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cream flavor called change the whirled. join anderson cooper at 8:00 eastern, only on cnn. our coverage continues right now with jim acosta right now in "the situation room." happening now, the u.s. extends a public health emergency as cases driven by the delta variant increase dramatically. the feds arrest trump ally jom barrett charging him with acts as a foreign agent and trying to influence the former president's policy. jeff bezos completes his historic launch to the edge of space. now he's talking to cn income about what comes next. welcome to our viewers in the united states and world the world. wolf blitzer is off tonight. i'm jim