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tonight the house gop leader kevin mccarthy naming five republicans to be members of the select committee that will investigate the deadly january 6th insurrection. we're going to break it down in just a moment for you. also new cases of covid-19 on the rise all across the country, up 66% over the past week. hospitalizations and deaths on the rise, all fueled by the aggressive delta variant. president biden pleading with americans who are not vaccinated to get their shots. the president also walking back his accusation that facebook is killing people by allowing covid misinformation on its platform but still keeping up the pressure on social media platforms to control the misinformation. i want to bring in now congressional correspondent ryan nobles. he joins us now live from the capitol. ryan, good evening to you. let's talk about what kevin mccarthy is announcing. that is the five republicans he's naming on this january 6th select committee, he has named them.
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tell us about his picks. >> reporter: well, there's a couple things that jump out to you, don, when you see this list. first of all, it's five men, five white men that have all been named by kevin mccarthy to this group. that's something that the democratic members of the select committee all pointed out to us today. and they're all five conservative republicans who support the former president, donald trump. some more than others. jim banks, he's going to serve as the ranking member of this panel for the republicans. he is someone that chairs the republican study committee, which is a conservative group of republican members. he along with jim jordan of ohio and troy nehls of texas, they were three of the republicans who voted to object to the election results on january 6th, which of course precipitated everything that happened on that day. now, the other two are kelly armstrong of north dakota and then rodney davis of illinois, who was one of the 35 republicans who actually voted to create that independent bipartisan commission that was eventually blocked by republicans in the united states
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senate. now, what's interesting about this group is that they are definitely a group of people who are going to go in there and be loyal to kevin mccarthy and, by extension, likely be loyal to the former president, donald trump. and jordan in particular talked to us today, and one of the first things he said was he was worried this committee was going to be all about donald trump. so it kind of gives you an indication of what his thinking is as it relates to all of this. the other thing we should point out too, don, is that the house speaker, nancy pelosi because of this process and because republicans blocked that independent commission, which was supposed to be an equal number of republicans and democrats, pelosi has the final say as to whether or not these five men will actually serve on the select committee. the resolution that was passed by the house says she has a veto power. she hasn't signaled tonight whether or not she plans to use that veto power. that could end up becoming a bigger political problem for her. republicans could fund-raise off it if she chose to kick one of them off. but it just shows democrats are
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going to control this process. bennie thompson, who is the chairman from mississippi, is a serious individual. he's worked with republicans and democrats for a long time in his capacity as chair of the homeland security committee. he told me today that he is going to work hard to enforce the rules and make sure that this committee sticks to their intended goals, and that is finding answers as to what happened on january 6th. and they're going to go wherever they need to find those answers. that could ultimately even mean calling someone who's on the committee, jim jordan, to come forward as a witness. that's a real possibility, including the possibility of kevin mccarthy and maybe even donald trump being called in front of this committee. >> thank you very much, ryan nobles. i appreciate that. joining me now, cnn senior political analyst kirsten powers and former republican congressman denver riggleman. good evening to both of you. so, denver, what do you think of mccarthy's picks for this select committee? are you surprised that he actually chose two people who voted to certify the election results?
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>> i was pleasantly surprised. i think there was a good faith effort there with kelly and rodney. i know them very well. they're very good people. i have a feeling that -- you know, kelly background is legal. rodney is a really smart guy. i think there's a bit of a good faith effort there. i was surprised about that, but i wasn't surprised about jim ord jordan being chosen either. my worry is it won't be completely, i would say, nonpartisan because i do believe there's still going to be phone calls back and forth to mar-a-lago as people make sure the right thing is said at the right time. we'll see what happens, but i was a little bit surprised to see kelly and rodney chosen. >> kirsten, you know i have been saying that bipartisanship for the sake of bipartisanship is really just empty, right? it's really just mechanics. but on this particular thing, i think it's really hard to deny what happened on january 6th. and even with the jim jordans there, it just makes them look
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bad. it's not a good narrative for them to try to pretend that january 6th didn't happen. even if jim jordan is there and people who tried to not certify the election, i think it just shows them for what they are. i don't know if you agree with that, but that's certainly my thinking on it. >> well, i think to the point of conversation you were having with chris earlier about whether or not the democrats -- you know, this is sort of blowing up in their face because you have a jim jordan on the committee, i'm more inclined to think about it the way you do, which is this has to be investigated. of course the ideal would have been to have a 9/11-style commission. that was not an option because of the rnepublicans. so this is what they're left with. i do think that they have to try to do the best they can. this will be heavily weighted, you know, under the control of not just democrats but people like liz cheney, who are being a little more honest about what happened and not just carrying
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water for one party or the other. in the case of jim jordan, he will be carrying water for donald trump. he alone is one of the most disruptive members of congress and will do as much as he possibly can to hijack this and be theatrical. >> i don't think that helps him in this situation, kirsten. i actually think it makes him look worse, especially if he carries on his antics and you see it publicly. >> yeah, and i think it looks worse for certain people. obviously it gins up the republican base, but i think it doesn't look great to people who are more in the middle or more moderate suburban-type voters. so, yeah, i agree with you on that. >> yeah. i think it counteracts what they're trying to do with this whole fake critical race theory narrative by trying to win back the -- you know, the suburban white women and men. >> yeah. >> and educated people because people see through -- i think people see through what happened on january 6th. denver, also tonight we're hearing that marjorie taylor
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greene, i think it was a 12-hour twitter ban for violating their covid misinformation policies. she sent two tweets about vaccines in the past day that they labeled as misleading. misinformation is actually killing americans. do these suspensions work, or does it just capitalize on, you know, the story line that democrats are taking away free speech from conservatives or trump supporters? >> don, you already took my thunder on that last part of the question. there we go. this is a fund-raising activity for marjorie taylor greene. a lot of people aren't looking at twitter that she's talking to right now, so she can put out a fund-raising email or go digital that says the far left is censuring me again. they're canceling me. if we talk about misleading information, i don't think marjorie taylor greene would ever be on twitter, right? but it also goes back to the commission too. listening to kirsten, here's the deal. we should be looking at the
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disinformation pathway on why january 6th happened. i think there's a correct thing here where you have two members who i really like that got selected to this. but i do believe there's going to be a lot of hyperbole and disinformation. and i think that marjorie sort of plays into that. all these individuals do. but really twitter is a fund-raising tool for her, not exactly how you think, not going on twitter and saying give me money, but using twitter as a foil. it's just something she does very well. here's the thing. you know, she capitalizes on stupidity brilliantly because she believes it. and that's just something she's very good -- >> that was a generous way of putting it. there's a more direct way, but go on. >> when i listened to that sentence back in my head, it came out a little worse than i thought, a little bit more brutal. but i do believe that twitter is just a great, great thing for her fund-raising because she can say she got thrown off. she's going to send out a mailer tonight and make money. >> i hope the heads of social media companies are listening because they're doing it on purpose. then if you give them a light
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sentence or kick them off temporarily, it only helps them. go on, kirsten. i'll give you the last word. >> think of how different our world would have been if they would have banned donald trump a long time ago, right? so they just -- they give these people too much leeway. you know, there's certainly an argument for banning her altogether. just to quickly say that republicans do not care about free speech. critical race theory is a perfect expect of it. critical race theory in quotes because they misuse it. they are dictating what government employees are allowed to say. they are dictating what people are allowed to teach. so they do not believe in free speech, and besides that, there are limits to free speech and everybody knows that. there are some things that you cannot say, and there are some things in this society where you do cross a line. and i would certainly argue that marjorie taylor greene has crossed that line 100 times. >> do you want to share what you texted me or no? >> sure.
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yeah. about critical race theory, why republicans are doing it? >> yeah. >> well, it's a political strategy first and foremost as you and aoc were talking about. but i think it's not just because they don't want children or people in general to learn about anti-racism or to really learn the truth about mlk. it's because they don't want anybody to learn the real history of america. they don't want white kids to learn the real history of white people. so that's the most important part of it. it's not -- because they're not teaching actual critical race theory. critical race theory is a legal theory. you learn it in law school. what they're doing is they're trying to give children and give students an accurate history lesson. i mean, don, i didn't even know about black wall street until last year. >> mm-hmm.
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>> i'm an educated person, right? and i didn't know about indigenous children being taken away from their families and not allowed to speak their own language. this was institutionalized in this country. so, again, i'm a person who was interested in these issues, and so there's so much basic information that people are not getting in school. that's what people are trying to do. they're just trying to teach history. they're just trying to tell the truth. >> all right. thank you both. i appreciate it. i want to turn to andy slavitt now. he's the former white house senior adviser for covid response and the author of "preve "preve "preventable." what's happening with this
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variant, andy slavitt. thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us. we were really getting really close to a normal summer, but now these cases are up 145% from just two weeks ago. hospitalizations and death also up, but almost all of those people are unvaccinated, andy slavitt. is this the toll that this misinformation that we're seeing, especially what's coming from the right media, is that what's happening here? >> well, this is the unvaccinated pandemic. i think that's the theme of 2021. and we learned something interesting, and it's so profound, sometimes i can't even believe it. but of all the people that aren't vaccinated, we now know from the data that two-thirds of them believe one of five provably false statements about the vaccine. and so that tells us that they're at least in part, if not in full, being influenced by things that aren't true that they're hearing from people. i'd like to think some of that happens innocently, but i think you and i both know, don, that a lot of that is perpetuated by a machine that is trying to
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essentially say, we have to stop this thing from being successful for whatever reason. >> yeah. give me some of the five. >> you know, that the covid vaccine itself will give you covid. that's one of the five that is the one that's most believed from this theory. so, you know, and the other four, they can all be found in a survey done by kaiser family foundation, and we can play those. i mean, we can get you those for you to show. but they're all provably false. they're all things that have no basis in truth. they're all things that sound kind of believable, so people will take them on face value. but more than that, they will promote them, and they'll promote them in social media algorithms because they sound like maybe they could be true, or they plant just enough doubt that people are deciding not to get vaccinated. >> there's some kernel of truth or something that could seem
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legitimate. listen, i know it is -- you know, i hear all the time when people give me false statements or when they spew back misinformation. i say, where did you hear that? they say on facebook or on twitter, on some form of social media, but also on right-wing media as well. this is an example of what's happening on fox. >> if you didn't get a vaccination, that's your choice. and if you did, like i did and they did and maybe you did, then you should not wear a mask. and if you want to go cliff diving this weekend, you don't have to check with me. it seem as i little dangerous, but i'm not going to judge you. if you go ahead and put yourself in danger, if you feel as though this is not something for you, don't do it. but don't affect my life. >> 99% of the people who are dying from covid are unvaccinated. >> that's their choice. >> they don't want to die, so they are -- the administration and the government is saying, we need the mask mandate to protect
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the unvaccinated. >> that is not -- that's not their job. it's not their job to protect anybody. >> okay. go ahead. what do you think? listen, it's not just about you and your choices. you can infect others including unvaccinated children, and protecting the american public is -- that's the white house's job, right? >> yeah. i mean i think this is much simpler than that discussion would lead people to believe. if we were sitting here without a vaccine and we had this delta variant coming -- and that's the case that's happening in australia right now -- we would be so hopeful that there would be some solution. and if someone told us there would be a solution that would be 96% effective against something seriously going wrong and would be very well tolerated by just about everybody, we'd say, thank god. and we'd say, what is political about that? i mean that's exactly the kind of thing that one hopes for. it's a combination of science, public sector, private sector,
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democrats, republicans. lots of people had their hands in it. to then come on and make this about something else, individual liberty, freedom, tyranny of government, whatever marjorie taylor greene wants to say in a given day, just confuses people. >> andy slavitt, thank you so much. >> thanks, don. so let's continue on and talk about top pediatricians calling for everybody over the age of 2, vaccinated or not, to wear masks in schools. >> even if you don't want to do it for yourself, consider getting vaccinated to protect the children in your community. they are depending on us. our best smelling scents.our nu now crafted with more natural ingredients and infused with essential oils that are 100% natural. give us one plug and connect to nature.
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she is a pediatrician and co-developer of the conversational resource that brings together black and latino health care workers to answer questions about covid-19 vaccines and other health issues. we're so glad that she is here to answer questions for us this evening. thank you very much, doctor. >> thanks so much for having me. >> so this -- you know, this top pediatrics group calling for universal masking in schools for everyone above the age of 2. but at least nine states have laws prohibiting districts from requiring masks in classrooms. is this going to put children at risk? >> absolutely. the american academy of pediatrics is so courageous to take this stance right now because what they know and what we all know is that kids under 12 don't even have the chance right now to be vaccinated because they aren't eligible for an authorized vaccine. so what that means is all of the caregivers, adults, ask kids above 12 around them have to protect them, first by getting
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vaccinated and second by masking and distancing so they're not exposed to covid. >> the surgeon general, dr. vivek murthy, spoke to anderson earlier tonight and had some advice for vaccinated parents with unvaccinated children. take a look at this. >> i have two small children as well. they're 3 and 4. they're too young to get vaccinated, and i'm worried about their health too. so here's how i'm thinking about it. you know, i know that if you're fully vaccinated like you and i are, our risk of both getting sick and transmitting it to our children is low. but if you're in an area where there's a lot of infection or if you're worried about that risk of transmission, then wearing a mask, especially in indoor settings when you go out, is the right thing to do. that's what i do. >> do you agree, doctor? do you agree that should vaccinated parents be masking up their children or masking up to protect their children? >> absolutely. i think there's two critical reasons why. first, it's important for caregivers and parents to model
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for kids the behavior that will keep them safe while they are unprotected because, again, kids under 12 are unable to get vaccinated. second, it's important for caregivers and parents to mask even if they're vaccinated because there is a small chance they could contribute to transmission, which means they could be exposed to covid in their workplace, when they go out into public spaces and they could bring that exposure into their home when they interact with their kids. so wearing masks when you're in public or other indoor settings, helps limit the risk that parents would transmit it to other young kids. >> i want to get to your push to get more americans vaccinated. you spoke to more than 5,000 people in rural georgia last week. most were not vaccinated because of what you call legitimate and important questions. so what are the concerns? what are you hearing from people? >> yes. so we've been going across the country talking to folks about the importance of covid vaccination, and the number one concerns that people have are really common, important ones.
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things about safety and about whether or not they might have side effects. people have heard of some of the side effects that are more severe from some of the covid vaccines, and they're concerned about whether those side effects might affect them. so we just have honest conversations so that people know what to expect. >> do they go out and get vaccinated after your talks? do you find that? >> um, we do. we do find that some of the people who call in get vac vacc vaccinated. what we've really been encouraged by is the folks who call in not as individuals but entire families who are on the line. folks whose kids call in for their parents. that's really important to us because we want households to be vaccinated together. i think we as a nation have taken a really individual approach to ending the pandemic. what we really need is to think about the people who are likely to encounter each other. so when we have these conversations, we encourage people to come as a household, as a family. >> dr. boyd, thank you so much.
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travel. this is the first field hearing held by the rules committee in 20 years. i want to play some of what you heard from witnesses in georgia. here it is. >> one of my colleagues in the house, representative alan cowell actually said in a committee meeting to someone who was testifying, you're correct. it wasn't found, meaning fraud. it's just in a lot of people's minds that there was. he actually said that in a committee meeting. it's just not -- it's really not there. it's just in a lot of people's minds that there was. so this legislation is based on th things on the imagination in people's minds. >> after an hour and a half standing outside, we made it inside the building finally, just to find out that the line inside the building was just as long as the line outside the building. we were able to handle those
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three hours standing in line, but we know that not everybody can. >> so what else did you hear today, and will this testimony compel your colleagues in the senate to take some action? >> just listening to mr. segarra at the end, he's a veteran, don. one of the things i asked him, when you signed up to serve in the air force, did you have to stand in line? he said no. but to vote, voter after voter, stacey abrams and i met with a number of them in cobb county yesterday, were waiting five hours, seven hours. as you know, the bill that passed in georgia, one of 28 bills that's already passed across the country -- it is exhibit a, over 400 have been introduced -- this bill basically says no water for nonpartisan volunteers in lines. but the devil is in the details. what we learned is the runoff period for warnock and ossoff, that used to be nine weeks. it's down to 28 days.
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can't vote on weekends during the runoff period. and if you want to register in those 28 days, too bad. you have to register 29 days before an election. surgical precision. those are the words of a north carolina judge when looking at a discriminatory bill that was passed there years ago. literally discriminating with surgical precision. >> you mean the republicans are doing that because not a single republican member of the committee was present for that hearing. go on. but why weren't they there? >> what i was most concerned about is they didn't put witnesses. if they want to defend this bill that takes away people's freedom to vote if they're in rural georgia or suburban georgia or if they're in the cities, then be there and defend it. they sent no witnesses. so it did give us an opportunity, and this is why we brought the rules committee to georgia, to the civil rights museum. it gave us a case, the opportunity to show the people
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of georgia, look, we have a job here in washington, and that is to ensure your basic federal voting rights. and we have a way to do it with the for the people bill. in fact, that bill, as i pointed out in this place devoted to sufl rights and the history of civil rights, it is firmly grounded in our constitution, don, because our constitution says that congress can make and alter the federal -- the rules regarding federal elections. it's clear as day. >> but it's stuck in limbo. the for the people act, the john lewis voting rights act, both stuck in legislative limbo. over the weekend, you told our dana bash that you would consider election measures in the infrastructure reconciliation bill in order to get some voting protections passed. are you just throwing things at the wall hoping something is going to stick at this point? like what is the strategy? >> i have a little more strategy than that. first of all, no one's given up on for the people. senator manchin in good faith
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came to the table and we actually put together a pretty good package. it's not quite done, which includes so many federal basic rights like same-day registration and many other things, commended by stacey abrams and many others. you know we have the issue of the filibuster there, but he has signaled a willingness to look at a standing filibuster. we could potentially do a carveout for this legislation. john lewis bill, those hearings start in the house this fall, and that is something that would be incredibly helpful. and you could add other provisions to it. the thursday you mentioned, reconciliation. and that is a fancy word which means the second infrastructure package. the first one is the bipartisan that they're negotiating this evening. the second is the one for things like child care and housing, things that matter a lot to joe biden. you could put in that package, you can put election infrastructure and then tie it to incentives for things like mail-in ballots. now, let me say it is not a substitute for those federal basic election rights.
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but it would be a good start. then you go on from there. and finally the justice department is no longer bill barr's justice department. you've got people like vanita gupta, kristen clark that are very serious about enforcing our election laws. i'm not ending here. this was the beginning. we are taking the rules committee to other field hearings. we're going to continue our work, fact-finding and bringing our members out to hear the real stories from voters. >> taking it on the road. senator amy klobuchar, thank you for your time. >> thank you, don. let's get some perspective now from someone from georgia and a leader in the fight for voting rights. i'm talking about stacey abrams. she's the founder of fair fight action and she joins me now. she was at the voting roundtable with senator klobuchar yesterday. thank you for joining us, ms. abrams. republicans were given the chance to have witnesses testify. they didn't. in fact, not a single senate republican showed up. mitch mcconnell saying this, and i quote, it was a silly stunt
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based on the same lies, all the democrats' phony hysteria. what's your response to that? >> that he is both aware of and afraid of the reality that voter suppression is emanating from the states and is being suborned by his leadership and by those in his caucus. this is not a democratic or republican issue. this is an american issue. this is a democracy issue. and the lengths to which republicans will go to pretend that the insurrection didn't happen and that the continued insurrection that is taking place by stripping voters of their rights, that it's not happening, is emblematic of just how failed the republican strategy is, but how craven they are about wanting to hold on to power instead of holding on to patriotism. >> i think i know the answer. i was going to ask you if this hearing was enough. i'm sure you won't agree with that and there are other things that need to be done to mobilize voters. am i correct? >> absolutely. the hearing yesterday, the roundtable today are all a part
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of making certain that americans understand what's at stake. this is not a battle between democrats and republicans, which is how republicans are trying to couch this. this is about whether or not an elderly voter standing in line for 3 1/2 hours should be entitled not only to water without facing the likelihood of the volunteer who provides it going to prison for two years, but whether that person is entitled to the same quality of voting access as someone in a more affluent neighborhood who can go in and out of their precinct in five minutes. that's the conversation we need to be having. whether a disabled voter who needs to vote by mail now has to risk identity theft in order to access what seemed to be one of the most kind and sympathetic things that we could offer, which is the ease of voting from home should be made available. and so we know that these targeted bills are looking at people of color. they're looking at the disabled. they're looking at young voters, and they are trying to eliminate access for inconvenient voters
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who had the temerity to show up and use their power in 2020 and in georgia in the 2021 runoff elections. >> your group, fair fight action, has an initiative going on called hot call summer. talk to me about that. >> we know that the best way to move legislation is to show them that we're paying attention. this is such an urgent summer. we are proud that 40,000 phone calls were made during the first phase of hot call summer, so we're encouraging voters to get brach at it. call 888-453-3211. you'll be patched through to your two u.s. senators so you can share your information and demand they take action to protect our democracy. >> you know it's been one year since the death of congressman
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john lewis. as you know, he fought tirelessly for equal voting rights throughout his life. the john lewis voting rights act still not passed. do you think lawmakers are acting with the urgency needed to protect voting rights? >> absolutely not. but i will say this. i want to give credit to the 50 democrats who did vote to advance the for the people act. and let's be clear. the first 300 pages of that act were authored by john lewis. so while the voting rights advancement act bears his name, they both bear his stamp because he understood that we had to have a level playing field for democracy no matter which state you live in, which is the for the people act, and that we had to have higher standards for states that consistently demonstrate a lack of integrity in how they run their elections when it comes to communities of color. and that's the john lewis voting rights advancement act. >> do you blame senators manchin and sinema for the delay in voting rights protection? you know too well how voters
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secured the slimmest majority in the senate? do they need to make that majority matter? >> i think we should hold accountable every single u.s. senator who has the right to cast a vote. this is not a partisan issue. this is a patriotism issue. and i hold accountable every single u.s. senator who is willing to allow mechanics to defeat democracy. there are mechanisms in place that can be amended, can be diminished, can be altered in order to allow the people of this country to be heard. and so i refuse to say it's one side or the other. it's every u.s. senator that has the responsibility to stand up and say that authoritarianism, that the attempted overthrow of our elections should not stand and that we have to protect our voters. we have to protect our elections. and we have to protect our election workers and that those three pieces are the responsibility and the province of every single u.s. senator, democratic, republican, or independent. >> stacey abrams, thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us.
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>> thank you. billionaire jeff bezos hours away from blasting off into space, and he is speaking to cnn, responding to critics who say this new space race is all about joyrides for the ultra wealthy.
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tomorrow morning, amazon founder jeff bezos, the world's wealthiest person, will blast off with three other people for an 11-minute ride to the edge of space. his company, blue origin, developed the rocket technology. so let's talk more about it with
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cnn's aerospace analyst miles o'brien. i love that. from aviation to aerospace. i love the title, miles. good to see you. >> going higher. you know, aviation doesn't cut it. we've got to do aerospace now. let's go higher. >> right on. jeff bezos set to go up. last week it was richard branson, and you say the billionaires' space efforts may seem tone deaf but they're important milestones. i don't disagree with you. but tell the viewers why. >> well, you know, it's hard to look at it and say, wow, this is great for the world, right? a couple of guys doing gold-plated bungee jumps. and i suppose you could have looked at wilbur and orville back in 190 3 and said the same thing, right? what does it lead to is really the important question. the billionaires always go first. the rich people as go first. the inventors go first. these guys have, you know,
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reached into their rather deep pockets and have made big investments, and they're entitled to ride their rockets if they want to. the important thing is what this does for the space economy. does it open up space in a meaningful way? does it make it accessible in a more frequent and cheaper way, and what does that lead to? does that make it possible for us to put sensors in space more easily, to look at the problem of climate change for example? does it allow us to look at asteroids as a source of minerals? there's any number of things that you and i probably couldn't have imagined in 1903 when the wright brothers did it or 1927 when lindbergh flew the atlantic that would lead us to the airbus a-380. but it happened, and so this is one of those steps. i think a lot of people -- you know, there's kind of a sense of these rich guys being tone deaf. but i say it's an important milestone. >> listen, i wasn't here for the '03, but the '27 one, i was.
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>> i was there. i reported on that one. >> bezos' launch tomorrow, fully autonomous. they had 15 test flights but none had humans onboard until now. this is pretty risky, miles. >> you know, i'll be honest with you. i think as a pilot with several thousand hours flying airplanes, humans are usually the riskiest part of the operation, right? when you look at crashes, it almost always is the pilot that is somehow in the loop. you know, there was a time, don, when you and i would have been reluctant to get an an elevator in manhattan if there wasn't a guy with a white glove operating the elevator. so this idea that the human has to be there onboard to make it safer, you know, yeah, you got to wrap your head around it. but the truth is statistically, it is really safer without the human there. >> yeah. i mean we get on elevators now without buttons, right? you just trust they're going to take you to the floor that you said, right?
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