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all right. appreciate you giving us the opportunity tonight. i will be off the rest of the week. but right now, i give it to "don lemon tonight" with its star, d lemon. >> i just saw you. you were like, oh, i'm not going
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to see you this week. i will be off. and then, i walk into the office and scared me. the whits out of me. i thought i was seeing a ghost. >> first of all, i can't scare out of you, what you don't have. and second, duty calls. when the boss says, would you? i say yes. >> are you saying i'm whittles? >> yes, that's what i was saying, don. very well done. >> i am proving your point. >> would you -- would you go to space? >> i feel like i'm with it when i am with you, i'm in outer space, all the time. um, sure, why wouldn't i go to space? yeah, i would go. >> how many reasons you want not to go? >> no, i don't think i would want to be the first. let them work it out, first. of course, and then i'll go. sure. why not? >> what if it's like really expensive? >> you didn't ask me if i had to pay for it. >> you know what? fair point. and given who i am talking to, you would assume it was free. >> oh, stop. you know that's not true. um, yeah, i would go. i want to ask you about, also, what you had on -- arnold
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schwarzenegger and the radio guy. >> i did. >> but what do you -- >> mike broomhead. >> yeah. what do you think the chances are that we're actually going to get something out of this select committee? especially, with the, you know, three of the people on there have -- having vote -- voted to overturn the election. >> here's what i think. here's what i think. one, i think it's very indicative how many conservatives want to stay away from it. they don't want to opine. now, look. arnold doesn't get into a lot of partisan things very often. he kind of went at it with trump a little bit. was not a pleasant experience for him so he didn't want to talk about it. broomhead will talk about it more. they don't want to about it. they want to stay away from it. the democrats own this dereliction of duty. this was a mistake. you try today make it a bipartisan committee. >> oh, i thought -- sorry, i was getting my -- sorry, go on. >> okay. you tried to make it a bipartisan committee. they didn't want to do it. they turned away everything that the republicans said they wanted. you gave them. they still daidn't want it
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because they wanted to investigate black lives matter and antifa, as well as january 6th. which is absurd. given the mandate of this. but to give them these seats. now, you are going to have these guys on there. jim jordan and the other ones. three out of the five denied -- wanted to decertify the election. i mean, come on, man. it's going -- it's going to ruin. >> you said this is the democrats' fault? or the republicans' fault? >> democrats. why are you giving them the seat? >> well, because they are trying to -- aren't we supposed to be -- the country's supposed to be about bipartisanship? shouldn't -- because if -- then -- then they will completely say that it was a part -- partisan undertaking. >> they are going to say it, anyway. >> well, not with these guys on there. yes. >> it was the first thing jim jordan said was this is about getting trump. >> so -- yes, so my question is we are not going to get anything out of it. you answered my question. you don't think we are going to get anything out of it. >> first of all, i was never a big fan of a congressional investigation, in the first place. now, the 9/11 commission really is the gold standard. that wasn't a congressional committee. they didn't do it that way. look. we don't have the threshold of
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trust in congress right now. we don't have the men and women, who can transcend the politics in a way that would be useful here. i think it was doomed, from the start. but now, any vestigal, you know, any benefit that they were going to have here, at least of showing us how things broke down and where people should look, i think, is lost. >> well, okay. so you answered my question. but i don't think it's actually fair to put it on the democrats, because what would you have them do? there should be a committee to investigate what happened on january 6th. >> uh-huh. >> and yes, they should try to get the other side. it's important to the country. but you can't blame the democrats, for the republicans putting up that or the republicans failing to do their job. how does that -- that doesn't make any sense. >> here is the sense. you are inviting me to your house. you want to have a nice party. i say, as soon as i come in there, i am punching everybody in the face. you invite me, anyway. that's on you. >> yeah. but i'm going to invite a couple bouncers, too, that can check you. >> you don't have that here. >> and that -- democrats should do that. they should invite a couple bouncers that can check the other side. >> no, they are going to have them in there. jordan is going to be attacking everything. by the way, he happens to be
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pretty good at it in terms of who he is trying to court. >> so then, should nancy pelosi veto him? >> she can't now. she got beat at her own game, again. because now that mccarthy went public with the names, right away, now, if she vetoes them, which is within her power to do so, it's going to look like politics. and that she is silencing them. >> now, you're blaming her for politics. i don't get it. i don't understand why you're blaming the democrats for doing the right thing. >> they didn't do the right thing. >> of course, they did. >> no way. >> the right thing is just to do the committee without republicans? how is that the right thing! because they don't want to do the work of the committee. and now, you are inviting them in to ruin the work. you tried to do it bipartisan. now, you're doing it through a select committee. >> so you are telling -- you're telling me that they can't win? i don't understand your logic because -- because -- >> i agree, you don't understand it. >> i don't understand the logic because it doesn't make sense. >> of course it makes sense. >> you are saying the res republicans are not going to accomplish anything on the committee, therefore, it's the
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democrats' fault. nancy pelosi can't veto someone who is going to be bad for the committee because then it's going to make her look bad? that doesn't make any sense. it sounds like you are pandering to the right to try to -- >> it doesn't make sense to you because i don't think you are think thinking it through. i will say it again. they tried to do a bipartisan committee. >> okay. >> it got submarined by the republicans. democrats offered everything they wanted except the mandate of looking at blm and antifa, which is absurd. okay. so it's not going to be bipartisan. >> so they invited other -- so they are still trying to do the right thing, much like the president. >> i don't see it the as the right thing. you don't invite people into a process, that they want to destroy, and expect to make progress. okay? would you put somebody on the bezos' rocket who doesn't want to go into space and will do anything he can to stop it? >> like you. >> is that who you want? >> no, but listen. that's not the same thing. so, you would have them just try to do it, all democrats, so that it can be -- it can be -- >> let the facts tell the story. bring in the people. >> okay. >> get the facts. and if you can do that, i don't -- i don't love the -- the vehicle of a congressional
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committee. um, but if they are going to do it, the best chance they had was to have it be democrats. and let the facts speak. where it doesn't matter who's on the committee. it's about the people who come before it. now, it's going to be a circus and the democrats didn't have to do it this way. and the idea of saying oh, but the democrats had no choice. yes, they did. >> no, i don't think people -- that's not what people are saying. >> that's what you are saying. >> i think you should put the onus, where it's on and that's on republicans. they should have put people on there, who could look at it objectively. and they didn't. and i think that's where the blame should be. i understand what you are saying. listen. i get what you're saying. i just don't agree with it. i think that the democrats -- >> you're missing the point of the utility of the exercise. >> i'm not missing the point. i'm just not agreeing with you. i understand what you are saying. i do. >> i know but i'm saying -- i know but just cause you don't agree doesn't mean you have a good point. what i am saying is -- >> just because i don't agree doesn't mean that you have a good point. >> i know but if you listen, i'm telling you. watch these threads after this, and they'll be like, hmm, he's
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he right. because if you want to find out what happened, don't invite people in who don't want to find out what happened. >> yeah. >> simple. >> now, they are going to pay for it. >> keep inviting them and make them look bad, just as if the democrats weren't doing the right thing. keep inviting them if you want to do the bipartisan thing. i think bipartisanship, for the sake of bipartisanship, as i have been saying on this show. i think it is empty. i think in this, particular thing, i think it's important for republicans to participate because this is more about the health of our democratic republic. it's not about -- this is -- should not be about politics and i think the more you bring that out, the more you embarrass people, the more you show them up, the better. because it shouldn't be about who is a democrat and who's republican, it should be about who is fighting to keep our democratic republic in check. to keep our democracy. that's what it should be about. >> i agree. >> all right. >> but, you know, when you come out of fantasy land and back here, on earth, you know, when you get off bezos's rocket. that's not what's going to happen, now. and you might have been able to learn something that, now,
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you're not going to learn because of how this is going to be. >> why don't we see what happens, before we -- let's see what happens. >> because i don't have to be nooiv naive about it. we have only seen what happens in these situations and now you invited it in a place where it didn't have to happen. let's not belabor the point. we will all watch it in real time. >> okay. they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. >> no, they're not. they're not damned if they do. they are damned because of what they d. there is a difference. i love you, d lemon. >> you, as well. i don't agree with you. you were wrong but i love you. this is "don lemon tonight" and we got close. we got so close. i mean, we got close to having a normal summer. we really did. maybe, a little bit of it. a summer free from worries about a deadly virus. a summer free from worries about whether we should, still, be wearing masks. a summer free from worries about who is vaccinated and who's not. we got so close, and yet so far. covid cases are rising in every single state. every state. and this is becoming a story about two americas, really. about vaccinated america, and unvaccinated america. the surgeon general says 99.5 --
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are you listening, america -- 99.5% of deaths, right now, are happening among, you got it, unvaccinated people. we got so close. and now, the misinformation is pulling us back down. it's, literally, killing us. lies, the conspiracy theories, those on the right who are owning the libs ahead of the lies of their own supporters. president joe biden keeping up the heat on facebook over what is being called the d disinformation dozen, while clarifying what he said last week. >> facebook isn't killing people. these 12 people are out there, giving misinformation. anyone listening to it is getting hurt by it. it's killing people. it's bad information. my hope is that facebook, instead of taking it personally that, somehow, i'm saying facebook is killing people. that, they would do something about the misinformation. the outrageous misinformation about the vaccine. that's what i meant. >> so, and we are learning
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tonight that senior-administration officials have been in touch with facebook, behind the scenes, for days, as tensions between the white house and facebook have increased. but the fact is -- is that we're now averaging 266 new-covid deaths, every single day. 266, every day. virtually one of them -- every one of them, unvaccinated people. the delta variant, sending young people to hospitals. and the american academy of pediatrics says, today, that everybody over the age of 2, vaccinated or not, should wear masks in school. that's how dangerous this is. dr. fauci, with this stark warning, today. >> for the unvaccinated, that means not only getting infected, that means some proportion of the people who were infected will get seriously ill, requiring hospitalizations, and in some cases, unfortunately, death. >> so, this is not about republicans and democrats. a lot of this stuff shouldn't be about republicans and democrats
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or left versus right. people just like to make it that way. right? politicians. right-leaning media. this is not. it shouldn't be. red states, blue states. this is about people's lives. but, here's the thing. at least 20 states, most of them run by democrats, have fully vaccinated more than 50% of their population. those are the democratic states, right? but there are red states across the south that haven't even vaccinated 40%. and that's where -- that's how the delta variant is taking hold. those are the facts. that's the truth. so you would think that every single republican would put lives, ahead of politics, especially now. yet, the former president, former guy, who takes credit for the vaccines that were developed on his watch is talking out of both sides of his mouth. pushing anti-vax messaging. asked if the white house would urge him to speak to his supporters and call for vaccinations, here is the press
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secretary, jen psaki, this is what she said. >> we've seen almost every former president play a role in putting out a psa. making sure people understood in the country that the vaccine is safe and effective. we don't believe that requires an embroidered invitation to be a part of. >> the rise in covid cases and fears about inflation, spooking the market, today. i'm sure you have seen it. the dow sinking more than 700 points. biggest drop, in a year. president biden downplaying inflation fears and arguing his infrastructure proposals will drive prices down, ahead of a key vote on the bipartisan deal on wednesday. in just a minute, though, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. she's going to weigh in on that, and the news, tonight, that kevin mccarthy, as chris and i have been talking about, has made his picks for the select committee to investigate the january-6th insurrection. congressman jim jordan, you remember the former guy called him a bulldog. wasting no time showing just how little he cares about the committee's mission to get the
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truth of what happened on january 6th. >> mr. jordan, what do you hope to accomplish on the republican side in this investigation? >> we know what this is about. this is about going after president trump. you know? i mean, the democrats. they don't want to talk about anything else. >> hmm. well, there you go. and that, right there, that's why kevin mccarthy chose him. to defend the disgraced-former president. still, the up disputed leader of the republican party. to defend the big lie and the big liar. the big liar. the white house with, you know, we all saw it. the whitewashers, excuse me, i should say, that we all saw with our own eyes on january 6th. a trump-supporting mob trying to overturn our free-and-fair elections. that, on the -- that, on the very day that the first capitol rioter convicted of a felony was sentenced. his name is paul hodgkin's. pleading guilty last month to
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obstructing counting of electoral votes. there he is. you see him inside the senate chamber wearing a trump shirt and carrying a trump flag. the judge, today, sentencing hodgkin's to eight months in prison, less than the year and a half that the doj wanted. district judge randal moss saying and i quote here, hodges was staking a claim on the floor of the united states senate, not with the american flag but with a flag declaring his loyalty to a single individual over the entire nation. when a mob is prepared to attack the capitol to prevent election -- elected officials from both parties from performing their constitutional and statutory duty, democracy is in trouble. his words. democracy is in trouble. that's how serious this is right now. the leader of the far-right proud boys, pleading guilty, today, to burning the black lives matter flag of an historic-black church in d.c. in the middle of the violent pro-trump protests in december. protests, many now see as a
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lead-up to january 6th. that, as the capitol rioter who posted on social media that she was proud of what happened that day, pleads guilty today to a misdemeanor charge. proud. proud of an attack on the seat of our democracy. is this america? is that what this country's supposed to stand for? it's not. kevin mccarthy makes his picks for the january 6th select committee. three of the five voted to overturn the election results in arizona and pennsylvania. should nancy pelosi veto them? you know who is a good person to ask that? there she is, alexandria ocasio-cortez. she's here, after the break.
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so tonight, house gop leader kevin mccarthy picking the five republicans who will sit on the select committee that will investigate the deadly january-6th insurrection. the house speaker, nancy pelosi, reportedly, reviewing his choices, now. the committee's first hearing is set for next week and let's talk about this big development and other things. other important topics with representative alexandria ocasio-cortez. a new york democrat. we are so happy to have you here. it's good to see you. thanks for appearing. >> of course. thanks for having me. >> so let's get to the breaking news that we talked about. the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy, selecting who he wants to be on this january-6th commission. jim jordan, rodney davis, kelly armstrong, and freshman troy
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nehls. three of these members voted to overturn election results in arizona and pennsylvania. do these picks say anything, to you, about how seriously or not seriously the -- the minority leader's taking this investigation, representative? >> yeah. i mean, absolutely. i think, kevin mccarthy has decided that his role, as a minority leader in the house of representative, is to essentially be chauffeur of the clown car. and he believes that his job is to champion some of the most ludicrous, irresponsible, and dangerous members of his party, instead of centering, you know, some of the more even-keeled and responsible members of his party. and that's what he's decided his leadership is and what it means to this country. i think it's shameful. but it will not stop democrats, and it will not stop people who are actually interested in setting this country on the right track. and trying to do their best to do so. >> should -- should the house speaker -- should nancy pelosi veto any of these picks, before -- officially before they officially join this committee? >> well, you know, i -- i leave
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that decision to her. but i think she's well within her right, when the minority leader decides to nominate people who, actively, attempted to overturn the results of this election. and who were, frankly, not only active participants in the dangers and what we saw on the insurrection of january 6th. but were some of the leaders and some of the, you know, drum majors of the insurrection. i believe that she's well within her right to veto some of these picks. i think that they're, frankly, insulting and that kevin mccarthy -- kevin mccarthy's picks are insulting not just on a party basis but to this country. >> uh-huh. uh-huh. i don't disagree with you on that. so, i want -- let's turn, now, to infrastructure. okay. the senate minority leader, chuck schumer -- majority leader, excuse me -- chuck schumer filing tonight for the bipartisan infrastructure bill. this means that the key-test vote is going to be on wednesday but the senate gop leadership, again, threatening to block that vote, unless negotiators strike
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a deal on it. sep separately, you threatened to tank the bipartisan infrastructure deal if the bigger $3.5 trillion spending proposal isn't passed at the same time. why take infrastructure if it's not included? >> well, one of the things that i was -- that i think is important is that last time we checked, the people of this country elected a democratic-majority house. they elected a democratic senate. and they elected a democratic presidency. and what that means, with those votes, is that they did not elect republicans to define and limit the aspirations of -- of this presidency. and they did not elect republicans to define our infrastructure package. and so, if we're only going to send a bipartisan bill, that republicans have largely written. that exxon mobil lobbyists have bragged about having influence in the contours over. an infrastructure bill that does not address the climate crisis.
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that does not put millions of people back to work. and does not expand healthcare in this country. then, no, that should not be all that we pass. we should pass an enormous-reconciliation bill that puts millions of people to work, in good-union jobs. and helps really, you know, get us back on track, in terms of the climate crisis. in terms of physical infrastructure and healthcare. now, if we want to pass both of these -- you know, both of these bills, together, that is a conversation that we can have. but we're not going to accept republican dominance, when the people of this country have elected democratic majorities, across the board. >> but the -- the $3.5 trillion spending proposal from democrats. i know that you would prefer a larger bill. but you are calling it a progressive victory? why is that? >> i think it absolutely is a progressive victory. and the reason for that is because if you look at the top lines of this bill. the expansion of medicare, to include vision, healthcare, and dental. when you include the
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civilian-climate corps, which is a major provision that -- that i introduced, along with senator markey, two years ago in -- as outlined in the green new deal. when we talk about record infrastructure investment in building thousands of ev chargers and billions of dollars in rail infrastructure in this country. we would not have an infrastructure package, of this scale, without the progressive movement of everyday people across the united states. and working people across the united states. if people in this country did not mobilize, in demanding not just any job, but good union jobs. a $15 minimum wage. expanded healthcare. we would not have the contours, including childcare, universal childcare, as outlined in this infrastructure bill. to say that you don't just need a bridge, but you need a babysitter to get to work, that infrastructure's not just physical infrastructure. but it's the social infrastructure that you need, in order to be able to have a job.
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all of that is due to the progressive movement. and that's why i think it's a progressive -- an enormous progressive victory. not just the number, which we wouldn't have even gotten to 3.5 trillion without leadership of people like senator bernie sanders or peter defazio, a co-founder of the progressive caucus in the house. but we would not have that money going to the things that actually impact people in their everyday lives without the progressive movement, as well. and that's why i think it's, you know, very much progressive victory because without this movement, we would be having a bunch of tax cuts and refunds. and, you know, the kinds of investments that you may feel one, two, ten years from now. but don't, actually, directly impact your life, in the way that these investments do. >> and have a lifelong impact on the structure of american society, as well. and how we -- especially, how we all move through that society but especially women. right? when you look at child-tax credits and you look at daycare and so on. okay.
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so listen. you know, today, i'm sure you saw -- you know what happened with the stock market. they said it was because of covid but there was lots of talk about inflation. so i want to talk about the fears of inflation. president biden pushed back. assuring americans that the price increases that they have seen hitting their wallets are temporary. now, last week, you questioned the federal reserve chairman, jerome powell, and expressed concern over prematurely raising rates. um, and what could -- what that could mean for marginalized communities. what are your biggest concerns over inflation, congresswoman? >> well, here's the deal with inflation is that, if we do not get the root cause of these price increases right. then, policy decisions could be made that could really negatively impact your life, boost unemployment, and -- and again, increase interest rates. and we do not want that. so, it's really important that we get the diagnosis right, into what's going into these price increases. when you look at what actual
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prices are going up, it's in very specific sectors. if this was an overall-inflationary issue, we would see prices going up in relatively equal amounts, across the board, no matter what the good is. but we know what's getting expensive. things, like the cost of lumber, items like cars, whether they are new or used. and other sorts of items that rely on shipping and shipping containers coming in from overseas. these are very sector specific, which means that these are due to supply-chain issues. that means that we don't have enough ports that -- that can accommodate all of the backed-up sh ships that are trying to come in. it's because we don't have enough computer chips that are produced by just a handful of factories in the world that go into these vehicles, which are then cause causing a rush on used vehicles. and it's because of all of the -- you know, all of the rush on demand to -- to -- to build and to remodel homes during lockdown. and the reason it's important for us to understand that is
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because the solution to that is, guess what? infrastructure. >> yeah. >> we need to put in more money and more funding so we expand ports. so that we can add resilience to our supply chain. that's what we can do, if we get it right. we actually support these infrastructure investments, and make sure that we protect not just the size but potentially make it bigger. now, if we get it wrong. if we say this is inflation, that this is an inflationary trend, et cetera. what's going to happen if we get it wrong? we put policy pressure and political pressure on the fed to increase interest rates, which will drive up the rate of unemployment. which is the exact opposite thing that you want to be doing, in such a fragile state of our economic recovery, post-covid. so that's why it's so important that we get this right and put the politics aside. >> all right. i want to get a break in. i want to keep -- can i keep you over the break? because i want to talk to you more. i have been wanting to talk to you about this for a long time. i want to talk about
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critical-race theory with the congresswoman and how we should be teaching race in america's school. right after this break. don't go anywhere. (upbeat pop music in background throughout)
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and we're back, now, with new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. so, congresswoman, i want to ask you about this debate that we are seeing over critical-race theory. do you think republican efforts to redefine it and use it as a scare tactic. do you think it's working? >> well, i do think it's working because what we have seen is that the republican base, and the republican party, has really pivoted to a strategy of using race and using just the changing demographics of this country.
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and as we saw on january 6th, using a white-supremacist core logic in order to reanimate a very core fear in this country of the other. and so, what's really important is that we come together, and have a very strong rebuttal to that core logic. not just in fact checking republican claims. but actually, confronting the core logic and addressing the core fears that they are trying to really tap into when they try to use terms, like critical-race theory as a proxy for just saying -- talking about race in schools, in general. >> uh-huh. you know, in places like texas and -- and elsewhere, really, we are seeing bills banning teaching of critical-race theory, paired with laws making it harder for minorities to vote. why -- why do you think this is all being pushed, at once? you think first of all -- maybe, i think that this critical-race theory is to win back some of
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the folks in the suburbs. educated-white people, who -- and what the best way to do that is to give them fears about their children. >> yeah. absolutely. i think that that's certainly a strategy that they have. and in order do that, you know, especially in a school level and a school-board level in some states and municipalities, is how they can really try to work to reanimate that base and it's not an accident that they are using race as the core and that we are seeing this paired with a very strong push to, essentially, disenfranchise and limit the right to vote. as well as the supreme court continuing to gut the voting rights act. and when we say how we counter this, it's not just fact checking and some of those, you know, basic claims. which, you know, is still important to do. critical-race theory is not taught in elementary school. it is barely taught in law schools, frankly, in the level that it should be taught. but beyond that, because we know that republicans have started
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to, now, use the -- this -- these laws curtailing critical race quote/unquote curriculum that's not even being taught, in the first place, as a proxy to saying we can't teach anything about race in our schools, beyond just some of the most minimal, minimal, minimal facts. >> well, some of the -- the -- >> and to that, i think -- >> go on, finish your thought. sorry. >> well, i was going to say and -- and to that, we should say, why don't you want our schools to teach anti-racism? why don't republicans want their kids to know the tradition of anti-racism in the united states? why are republicans trying to ban books in this country? why are republicans trying to ban speech? why are they trying to fire certain professors? why are they attacking the core roots of history in this country.
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that strays anything beyond what we already know. in fact, you have folks, like kevin mccarthy, making statements that sound like he's never even read martin luther king, in his life, trying to ban books that actually talk about the history of the civil rights movement and institutional racism in the united states. so, why don't republicans want us to learn how to not be racist? why don't republicans want us to -- want kids to know how to not be racist? >> well, they are saying it's too young and it makes -- >> that is the question that eliminates this. >> they say it's too young and it makes -- it gives -- it makes white kids feel bad. and it gives them guilt about being white. at too young of an age. but that -- that -- that they shouldn't have that or be taught that guilt at all or anything that gives them that. >> yeah. well, you know, i think here's the deal. here's something that we know neurocognitively. babies. when they are exposed to family
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members, neighborhoods, et cetera, of one race, they -- their eye contact. we already know this from neuroscientists and neurosociologists, et cetera, that -- that babies, already, start to gravitate towards members of their own race, when they are disproportionately exposed to just one race, in their life. it doesn't mean that babies are racist. but what it means is that we, already, start to gravitate to communities and people that we already know and are already acclimated to. children do not feel guilt about racism when they learn, early on, what racism is. in fact, children learn to recognize it and can engage in corrective behavior, early. now, what does feel guilty are the adults, who allow racism to happen in their lives. and when their children acknowledge it better than some of the adults in their lives do. and so to that, i don't think that children feel guilty. i think there's a responsible
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way for us to talk about how to be peaceful and treat each other with respect. and we use -- and republicans are using these words, like critical-race theory which, again, is -- is a law-school curricula that is not even taught in schools. and their argument is, well, some teachers may be exposed to it. oh, wow. so, your child's teacher is not -- is anti-racist and is actually fluent in how to dismantle racism in -- and the dynamics of racism in a classroom. >> yeah. >> that is something that teachers should know how to do. and um, republicans are trying to ban this. are trying to ban us from knowing our own history. because if we don't know our own history, then it is easier for them to ban -- it is easier for them to curtail our rights to vote and to, essentially, take us backwards to the 1960s, as they have been doing with many of these state laws. >> congresswoman, thank you so much. >> of course, thank you.
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>> thank you. multiple american olympians testing positive for the coronavirus just days before the opening ceremony in tokyo. is this a sign of what's ainstead ahead? dr. sanjay gupta, live, there he is. wow. all the way from tokyo. sanjay's next. don't you just love the look on the kids' faces... yea, that look of pure terror... ...no, no, the smile... ...and that second right before the first tear comes... ...what?! pizza on a bagel-we can all agree with that. do you want a hug?
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at least two more members of the u.s. olympic team will be sitting out the games, after testing positive for covid-19. american gym nas kara eaker and basketball player katie lou samuelson both tests positive just days before the olympics are set to begin. joining me now to discuss, cnn chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, who joins us now, live, from tokyo. sanjay, i know it's been a really long day or 24 hours or whatever. because i have -- i have been watching you since this morning on cnn. so thanks for joining us.
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this morning, here in the states. listen. sanjay, we are already seeing more than 60 covid cases tied to the olympics in the games. the games haven't even started, yet. with vaccinated and unvaccinated people gathering from hundreds of countries, don't you think this was bound to happen? >> yes, i -- i do, don. i mean, i think that this has been the sort of challenge, all along. and, you know, you talk -- talk to the conference organizers and they say we would expect positive cases. about half those cases, by the way, don, are from japanese locals. about half from international athletes but as you point out, we haven't really even begun, yet. so those numbers are likely to go up. one thing i want to point out, don, i think this is really important. if you were to ask people what is the breakthrough infection rate? in vaccinated people. what is it? we keep hearing it's rare. fact is it's hard to know because, in the united states, let me show you this graph. testing has come way down, since the end of last year. if you are vaccinated, you probably haven't gotten tested again, right? unless you had symptoms of some
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sort. so i don't think we really know the breakthrough infection rate. i think this olympic ss s is probably going to teach us that. going to show us that because as you point out, you got coming from all over the world. they are not all vaccinated because some countries don't have enough vaccines, yet, as you know. but i think we are going to get a better idea of just how common these braekeakthrough infection really are. >> so you think it's a good sign that they are catching these cases, meaning that they're -- you know, discovering them. does it show that these safety measures are working? >> yeah. i -- i think if you look at the two biggest things. the testing and the fact that they're really trying to cordon off the -- the olympic village from the rest of japan. i think those things will probably make the biggest d difference. i think some of the other things like pleksy glass and things like that. they just don't work. i mean, that was 2020, early-pandemic sort of thinking. we now know this virus can act like an aerosol. act more like a puff of smoke than respiratory droplets but i think all that testing probably
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does make a difference. the big question, you know, are -- if people develop an infection but they're surprised, right? i had no symptoms. i had minimal symptoms. that kind of shows the vaccine is working and the protocols are doing their job. but if you start to get a situation where there is lots of transmission or people start to get sick, then, you know, it's really going to raise the question. should we have done this, in the first place? japan has 12% vaccination rate. 80% of the people here, don, that have been polled said they would have preferred the olympics not be here because the numbers are going up and they sense this could potentially be a problem. we'll see. but the -- but, you know, these are exactly the concerns that people have laid out now, for months. >> well, you can't blame them for -- for feeling like that. we are seeing stars like gymnast simone biles posting videos on social media showing just how excited they are. touring the area. thousands of athletes are descending on this olympic village. what safety measures are they putting in place? i would imagine that they would have to be extremely stringent and, quite frankly, i was
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surprised to see people out and about enjoying themselves, sanjay. >> yeah. i think that those are unusual sort of things. if -- to really get out of the bubble, if you will, out of the village or out of these hotels that we're in, which are -- all been approved by the ioc. you have to be quarantined for 14 days. and then, you can get out and about. so, what is life like, really, inside the village for folks? i mean, it's pretty -- it's pretty isolated, don. it's very different than, you know, olympics that people are used to seeing. people are generally by themselves. if someone is close contact with someone who's tested positive, they're going to be in their own hotel room. they are going to have designated vehicles for them. just by themselves. they are going to eat by themselves. there's not spectators here. so it's a very different mood. i mean, it -- it's -- it's -- obviously, it's still the olympics. there is these incredible competitions that are about to happen. but what you see on the screen is what life is like, mostly, for a lot of these athletes. >> feels like we're back in mid-2020, again, with all the stuff going on. or early 2020, i should say. sanjay, thank you.
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be safe, my friend, and i will see you soon. okay? >> you got it. >> thank you. >> you got it, don. thanks. from election lies to anti-vaccine rhetoric, we are living in an age, really, where disinformation is putting us behind where we should be. and it's putting democracy and people's lives at risk.
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get real relief with cosentyx. okay. welcome back. let's get straight to matthew dowd. he's the former chief strategist for george w. bush. he's the author of the book revelations of the river which can be pre-ordered on amazon. we'll talk more as it gets closer. good evening to you. we have seen so much covid misinformation from the right and their media allies, but this
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is from sean hannity. >> please take covid seriously. i can't say it enough. enough people have died. we don't need any more deaths. research like crazy. talk to your doctor, your doctors, medical professionals you trust based on your unique medical history, your current medical condition, and you and your doctor make a very important decision for your own safety. take it seriously. you also have a right to medical privacy, doctor/patient confidentiality is also important, and it absolutely makes sense for many americans to get vaccinated. i believe in science. i believe in the science of vaccination. >> okay. anyway, so i'm not sure what doctor/patient -- anyways, what do you think of hannity saying tonight that -- oliver darcy pointed out that tucker carlson continued with this anti-vaccine rhetoric. what do you think of that? should there be more of that on
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right-wing media? >> there absolutely should be more of it. i don't know what the motivation is behind sean hannity fundamentally changing his course of action on this. i'm glad he did. i'm glad he's telling the truth tonight. we'll see if he tells the truth tomorrow night. it's a little bit like the guy that's been selling gasoline in a neighborhood and all of a sudden the neighborhood is on fire, and he says, go out and buy a fire extinguisher. he's caused part of this fire of the problem of unvaccinated people in america. he's done it for days and days and weeks and weeks and weeks. it's good that he's financially turned the corner. i would bet their some motivation behind doing it tonight that we don't fully understand. i'm glad he's done it. but he's responsible for where we are today, one of the people responsible. >> let's talk about the president walking back what he said about facebook killing people. but he is calling on facebook to be more aggressive in combating the vaccine lies.
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how much can he do or be blamed for folks not getting vaccinated when conversations on vaccines are really increasingly based on politics and not facts? a lot of that is happening in right-wing media and also on social media. >> well, i don't think you can blame the president. the president's done everything he possibly can to try to get people, encourage people to get vaccinated. he obviously speeded up the process of distribution. he expanded the process of distribution. you can't blame him. who you can blame is the former president, president trump. you can blame many of the people, the anchors on fox news. you can blame republicans in congress who have tried to convince people, oh, it's no big deal, don't worry about it. and you can blame the ecosystem on the republican right that doesn't seem to want to believe any science or facts. but, don, to me, this is basically an example of the greater virus that i think exists in america, which is a virus of lies. and that, to me, is the most
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dangerous thing. yes, it affects the pandemic, but it also affects every other issue. it affects climate change. it affects the facts on guns. it affects our democracy. it's fundamentally -- the ignorance that exists and the lies that have been spread are fundamentally destroying our democracy in this moment. and that, to me, as bad as the pandemic, the covid pandemic was, the virus of untruth is a much worse virus that we're facing in this country today. >> matthew dowd, i owe you some extra time next time. thank you for appearing. i appreciate it. house minority leader kevin mccarthy picking five republicans to join the select committee to investigate the january 6th insurrection. three of them voted to overturn election results in two states and one is well known for his antics and grandstanding at high-profile hearings.
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