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was inn more peril than we knew at the time and if you're wondering where the republican party goes from here. well, apparently it's to trump national golf club in bed minister, new jersey where house lowered kevin mccarthy is meeting with trump today as jessica dean reports. >> reporter: house minority leader kevin mccarthy meeting today with former president trump at his bed minister golf club leaving no question about trump's hold over the party. a gop source tells cnn the men plan to discuss upcoming special elections, vulnerable democrats in 2022 and gop fund-raising, but the visit also comes as mccarthy considers who from his conference to name to a house select committee investigating the deadly january 6th insurrection and what role trump played in inciting it. >> and we fight. we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> reporter: the meeting comes just as new details about the
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tumultuous final days of the trump presidency are revealed in a sires of new books laying out howie is veer of a threat trump was to democracy itself. if i alone can fix it write the general mark milley was so concerned that trump or his allies might stage a coup that he and others came up with plans to stop trumpet milley described, quote, a stomach-churning feeling as he listened to trump's untrue complaints of election fraud drawing a compare season to the 1933 attack on germany's parliament building that hitler used as a pretext to establish a nazi dictatorship. quote, this is a reichstag moment, the gospel of the furor. according to the book milley said of any potential coup, they may try but they are not going to f'ing succeed adding, quote, you can't do this without the military. you can't do this without the
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cia and the fbi. we're the guys with the guns. trump released a statement said saying i never threatened or spoke to anyone a couple our government and, quote, if i was going to do a coup, one of the last people i would want to do it with is general mark milley. >> a coup wasn't the only fear. following the deadly capitol riot the authors write house speaker nancy pelosi told milley she was concerned trump could use nuclear weapons, describing the former president as, quote, crazy, dangerous and a maniac. milley reassured her saying, quote, we'll only do things that are legal, ethical and moral. ultimately once president biden was gnawing rated milley says he thought to himself, quote, thank god almighty, we land the ship safely. and we're just learning that that meeting between mccarthy and trump has come to its conclusion, according to mccarthy's office, but no additional details about anything they spoke about alternate meeting, but something
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to keep in mind. mccarthy continues to mull over who he is going to put on that house collect committee to investigate what happened on january 6th. the first public hearing for that is coming up on july 27th. we're told by sources he intens to name his collections by then, jake, something that you have to think about when these two men have been in a room right before this is will that impact who mccarthy is going to put on this commission. will he be installing trump allies to tear up the system and to fight back whatever democrats and liz cheney may be putting together and looking into, and it's very possible that they will be probing into, of course, trump's role in this but also potentially mccarthy's role as well. jake? >> all right. jessica dean, thank you so much. appreciate it. cnn's special correspondent jamie gangel joins us now. we're learning now details about how trump and other top officials handled the events of january 6th as they unfolded in this new excerpt from "i alone
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can fix it." there's scene in which trump is watching his supporters in maga hats and waving flags, very happy about continued a aides saying, quote, he thought this is cool. he was happy and the book quotes the aide as saying then when it turned violent he thought oh, crap. what more can you tell us about that? >> so this is january 6th. he's back at the white house. i think it tells us two things, jake. first of all, we know that donald trump was sitting at the white house enjoying watching the -- the insurrection happening, and it also speaks to when he knew about violence. there's been a lot of pushback oh, then president trump didn't know about violence. right from the start he knew there was violence. that's the oh, crap. for some context on those words oh, crap it was not because i'm told that he was worried about people getting hurt up at the
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capitol, it was because he was concerned about how it would impact him, that it would look bad for his reputation. >> well, he was right about that. there's also an exchange between vice president pence and the head of his secret service detail who was trying to evacuate pence and his family from the capitol. pence refuses to least. i'm not getting in the car, tim, pence replied. i trust you, tim, but you're not driving the car. if i get in that vehicles you guys are taking off. i'm not getting in the car, up quote. so why is vice president refusing to leave the capitol? he was there with his wife and daughter. >> we know that he wanted to finish to do what he came there to do, the peaceful transfer of power. that said, i think this excerpt, and it goes on, there's greater detail in the book about it, is actually chilling. can you imagine that the vice
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president does not feel that he will be brought back it sounds if he gets in the car? he is standing there saying i'm not getting in the car. you're going to take me away, and the implication is he doesn't think the secret service will bring him back to finish his duty that night. i think the pence reporting in this book is extraordinary, and there's another part where he calls the pentagon and says get folks over here. it's the kind of call that donald trump should have been making but didn't make. >> all right. jamie gangel. thanks so much. let's bring in s.e. cupp and former congressman joe kennedy to talk about this. former congressman kennedy, let me ask you, i'll start with you. given everything that keeps coming out about these final days, joint chiefs chairman milley afraid that trump is going to start a coup, pence sounding in that excerpt as if
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he's worried that the secret service is whisking him away to keep him from his constitutional obligation to -- to acknowledge that joe biden is the next president. what does it say to you that kevin mccarthy goes to bed minister today to kiss the ring? >> it says that republicans are in a rock and a hard place. they know that they can't win with donald trump. they department, and they know they can't win without him given his hold over the republican base. look, jake, the sooner for my prn opinion, the sooner they put this and him in the rear view mirror and reent jt type of leadership that the in-depth reporting has discovered the better off our country also, but fact that a republican leadership and the house and senate refuses to let donald trump go, and much is made over the fact that -- his support still for members of the house
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republican caucus and republican primary voters, fine. he lost presidency. think of it this way. since i've been born only one other president, incumbent president lost his re-election, only one, and that was george w. bush going for a fourth term of ronald reagan. incumbents in modern american history don't lose. he did. the sooner republicans get that message and turn the page and actually start putting out ideas rather than vengeance and grievance, the better off we're all going tonight. that's what that reporting tells us. >> s.e., there's another excerpt from the book recalling republican congresswoman liz cheney who at the time was the number three house republican. show's since been purged because she continues to tell the truth about the election. anyway, cheney recounts this conversation she had on january 6th with congressman jim jordan to general milley. cheney allegedly said, question, that f'ing guy, jim jordan, that son of a bitch, while these
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mawniacs are going through the place and i'm standing in the aisle and he says we need to get the ladies away from the aisle and let me help you and i smacked him away and said get away from me. you f'ing did this. even in the middle of the chaos some laurnlgs including republicans like liz cheney, had moral clarity and realized exactly who was to blame for the insurrection, and it was trump and his enablers. >> yeah. it's really remarkable -- all of these revelations are really interesting and really do show almost like the cuban missile crisis how close we were to the brink after the fact without knowing it in the moment, but i think all of these revelations really belie that people like mike pompeo and liz cheney, even people works you know, did the right thing ultimately in the end really knew, could see this coming for four years. this wasn't a sudden trump woke up one day and decided i'm not
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going to go easy. there were red flags for four years. he did this. he teased that he would not go quietly. he told people that it would have to be rigged for him to lose, and i think republicans for the most part sat by either in silence or tacit approval watching the president literally take the car off the cliff and now suddenly want to talk about, you know, shocked and appalled they were in those final hours. what about the first four years? >> congressman ken dishes the book also shares how despite being trapped in the capitol himself vice president pence took it upon himself to act as if he were the commander in chief during the riot. at 4:00 p.m. peps called miller, the acting secretary of defense from his career location. the vice president was calm and had no innings aite or fear in his voice and delivered a set of directives to the defense chief,
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get the troops here and get them here now. we've got to get the congress to do its business. yes, sir, it was the sternest or other pentagon officials listening had ever heard pence. it's remarkable how hands off trump was. they were under assault. they did not have enough police officers to defend it and pence, the vice president had to order more troops to come to help. >> i haven't looked at -- and the legal structures on that, but that -- but that prior reporting on this. this is a chilling and stunning moment because it is not typically in the perview of the vice president to give an order to the secretary of defense about sending troops. that, in fact, is a responsibility reserved for the commander in chief and he wouldn't do it which is also a
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recognition then from the military leaders and let them know exactly what trump's intent was tisit or explicit and what was happening and their essentially circumvention that have responsibility. >> it's honestly like a 20th amendment kind of moment except nobody sin volk 209th moment. the president is not capable of doing what needs to be done so let's fudge our way through this. >> yes, yes, that's exactly right. >> hand that's what this reporting seems to imply with all of the folks that understood the gravity of that moment and willing to do it without having to go through the process of forcing the president to step aside. >> thanks so much. we have to end it there, because we're told that president biden is about to speak. he's going to take questions from reporters. we'll bring that to you live. plus, the other health care crisis. what's killing more and more americans in the midst of this
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- [narrator] at southern new hampshire university, we're committed to making college more accessible by making it more affordable. that's why we're keeping our tuition the same for all online and campus programs through the year 2022. - i knew snhu was the place for me when i saw how affordable it was, i ran to my husband with my computer and i said, "look, we can do this." - [narrator] take advantage of some of the lowest online tuition rates in the nation. let's go right to the white house where president biden and chancellor angela merkel are speaking to reporters. >> i want to welcome my dear friend back to the white house, and before i say anything else, chancellor merkel, i want to express to you and to the people of germany my sip seer condolences, the condolences of the american people for the devastating loss of life and the destruction due to the flooding
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over the past 24 hours in germany and neighboring countries. it's a tragedy, and our heart goes out -- our hearts go out to the families who have lost loved ones. chancellor merkel has been here frequently over the past 16 years. as a matter of fact, she notes oval office as well as i do, but all kidding aside, through this administration she's been there for four years -- for four presidents. i want to take a moment to acknowledge the historic nature of her chancellorship. first woman chancellor in german history, the first chancellor from a former east germany, and now the second largest, longest serving chancellor since helmut khol. here's an exemplary career of
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lifelong service. thank you, angela, and thanks for speaking out what is right and for never failing to defend human digity. i want to thank you for your continued support for the long-standing goal of a europe whole and free at peace. you've been a stalwart champion of the atlantic alliance and the friendship and cooperation between germany and the united states has grown stronger and stronger. and i'm looking forward to celebrating more at our dinner this evening, but today it was very much a working visit. chancellor merkel and i covered a white range of issues where germany and the united states are working to advance a shared agenda. we discussed together with our fellow major democracies at the g7, germany and the united
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states have responsibilities to lead with our values as to the other members of nato, and today i've bush i've confided that in our new washington declaration which we've codified a document affirming our commitment to the democratic principles that are at the heart of both of our nations and how we will amie them to meet the biggest challenges of today and tomorrow. and both the nations have the imperative that democracies can deliver the needs of our people in the second quarter of the 21st century. we will stand up for democratic principles and universal rights, when we see china or any other country working to undermine free and open societies, and we are united, united in our
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commitment to address democratic back sliding, corruption, phony populism in the european union or among candidates for the eu membership or anywhere we find it in the world. we agree on the importance of further integrating the western balkans into the european institutions, and in our continued support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine as well as the continued importance of reforms are and the support of their euro atlantic aspirations. we stand together and we'll continue to stand together to defend our eastern flank, allies at nato against russian aggression. and while i reiterated my concerns about in order stream 2, chancellor merkel and i are absolutely united in our conviction that russia may not
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use energies as a weapon to coers is or harm our neighbors. today we're launching a climate and energy partnership to support energy security and the development of sustainable energy, sustainable energy technologies and emerging -- and emerging economies including in central europe and ukraine. to unite our efforts to upend on our global climate ambitions that we have to up the ante. what happened is we talked about when the paris accord was set. we thought we had established just how serious it was, but things have gotten much more dire since even that date. and to -- and to up the ante on global climate ambitions. i also changed chancellor merkel for the dedication and the sacrifice of german troops who have served side by side along with u.s. forces in afghanistan for almost 20 years, and we
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reaffirmed our shared commitment to continuing to counter terrorist threats where we find them, including in africa, and when we think about the future, the future we want for the world, there's noish douche there's no issue said at all that i believe we find any other than the certainty that a commitment that between the united states and germany doesn't benefit whatever the problem and concern is. we need to fight covid-19 pandemic everywhere to strengthen global health security for tomorrow so we're ready for the next pandemic. we need to make sure that the rules of the road governing the use of emerging technologies advance freedom, not authoritarian ump and repress, and we need to promote a sustainable and economic recovery that enhances the
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prosperity and opportunity for all and so much more. this isn't just a work of governments. this is the work of our people. sharing the innovation and insights, joining together to amplify our collective impact, so today we're launching a futures forum between our two countries which will bring together top experts across business, academia, civil society and more to clap rate as we shape our shared future. madam chancellor, i know that the partnership between germany and the united states will continue to grow stronger on the foundation that you've helped to build, but on a personal note i must tell you i'll miss seeing you at our summits, i truly will. so thank you again, angela, for making the journey, for our productive meeting today and for your friendship.
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[ translation inaudible ] also the ministers who are responsible here, i talked to them and i would like to send a message out to the people that well not leave them alone with their suffering and that we're trying our utmost to help them in their distress. mr. president, dear joe, thank you for the invitation, thanking for making it possible to talk to you. it's my first visit since 2019,
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and i'm so much -- so happy about the pleasant exchange. weave seen again today that we're not only partners and ails, but we're very close friends and thank you for the very friendly exchange that we had this afternoon. we all share the same values. we all share the same determination to tackle the challenges of our times, to master them, and i'm deeply convinced that simply xhirting to these values is not u.s. we are living at a crucial moment in time where we are facing new challenges and these challenges need to be translated into practical policies so i'm very grateful that we had this opportunity to work on a foundations and we lay down those foundations in the washington declaration and also how we see the road ahead and also measures and i think that this future forum will deal with
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those issues. societies will discuss together what sort of solutions they think are appropriate and i think such structures are very important. there is a very large degree of common ground that has come out of our talks. we're convinced, both of us, that overcoming the pandemic is only possible with as many people vaccinated and we need to support the rest of the world with vaccine. we've worked close together with kovaks and under your leadership, dear joe, the u.s. has committed itself to multilateralism on climate, and be it on the form of the world health organization and support also to wto. germany and the united states have agreed to provide vaccine
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doses and we've talked about the challenge of climate change and i am very happy that the united states are back again with us in the -- in the paris climate agreement and that for glasgow. that provides us with a totally different basis in order to work among the parties to the treaty, and in a much better and more efficient way for clirnlgts and we see countries that are moved by floogsd, by wildfires and -- and by storms in an increasing manner and that those that there isn't a dramatic increase in such unusual weather phenomena. germany and the united states have formed a partnership and i think it's an important message that we're sending other and we want to build on future oriented technologies, green hydrogen,
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for example, we newables, and we're in competition with others on this planet, and we would like to be successful together and germany is very much looking forward to cooperating in this respect, and i support the president in what he proposed as a global infrastructure project which we agreed on on the g-7 summit. next year we'll have the challenge of the g7 and we'll bring this project forward. we talked about russia and ukraine and in this context also about in order stream 2. we've come to different assessments as to what this project entails, but let me say very clearly our idea is and remains that ukraine remains a transit country for natural gas, that ukraine just as any other country in the world has a right to territorial sovereignty which is why we've become engaged and continue to be engaged in the process. we'll being actively acting
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should russia not respect this right of ukraine, that it has as a transit country, so in order stream 2 is an additional project and certainly not a project to replace any kind of transit through ukraine. anything else would obviously create a lot of tension and we're also talking about how we can actually make this very clear together. we also talked about other priorities in our foreign policy, for example, our relationship with china. we are countries who stand up for free democratic societies, sign up for those rights for those who live in these societies so wherever human rights are not guaranteed we'll make our voices heard and make clear that we don't agree with this. we're also for territorial integrity of all countries of the world, and we also talked about the many facets of cooperation and also of competition with china, it be in the economic area, be it on
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climate protection, and it be in military -- in the military sector and on security. and obviously there are a lot of challenges ahead. on the nuclear agreement we think that everything ought to be done in order to bring this to a successful conclusion, but i think that is something that is also -- the ball very much sheer in the uranium camp. now, over many, many years we've served together in afghanistan. you've been able to contain to a certain degree terrorist dangers, but, unfortunately, we've not been able to build a nation as we would like it to look, and still i would hold it was a good partnership, has been a good partnership with the united states all throughout the experience and also very good context between our soldiers and our soldiers greatly appreciated that. we also talked about where terrorism is on rampage and in europe this is a great challenge. we're grateful to the united
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states for their mission in order to contain and push back against these terrorist advances. we also have drawn up a german -- we've also agreed on a german-american dialogue between our business communities because we have considerable trade links and we wish to build on this, and obviously, the economy, economic ties of prime importance so it was a very, very good exchange. we're close partners. i would like this to remain even after i've left office wand this visit we've probably paved the way to make it possible to also create formats where we can exchange because the world will continue to be a place that is full of challenges so thank you very much for making it possible for us to tackle those together. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> we're each going to take two questions and i'm going to begin by recognizing steve portnoy and
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congratulate you on your new role as president of the white house correspondents association. >> thank you. >> my sympathies, but thank you. >> appreciate, that sir. on behalf of the press corps thank you and we're looking forward to a day when we can have even more reporters all the way to the back of the root i have a couple of questions for you and also a question for the chancellor. mr. president, with respect to latin america and the developments there in the last week plus. >> yes. >> what are the circumstances under which you would send american troops to haiti? that's the first question. the second question is when it comes to cuba, what is your current thinking on american sanctions towards cuba and the embargo, and today your press secretary said that communism is a failed idol >> narrator: i assume their your view. i was wondering if you could give us your view on socialism and then for the chance locke the question, is mad average the president said that you note oval office as well as he does. i'm wondering if you could reflect on your exchanges with
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american presidents over the last 16 years and particularly contrast the current president with his most immediate predecessor. >> in two minutes or less. >> obviously i know why they elected you president. let me start off by answering the question relative to haiti and cuba. and communism is a failed system, universally failed system, and -- and i don't see socialism as a very useful substitute, but that's another story. with regard to whether the circumstance in which we would send military troops to haiti, we're only only sending american marines to our embassy to make sure that they are secure anding in is out of whack at all. the idea of sending american
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forces into haiti is not on the agenda at this moment, number one. number two, with regard to cube, a. cuba is, unfortunately, a failed state? repressing their citizens this. are a number of things that we could consider doing to help the people of cuba, but would require a different circumstance or a guarantee that they would not be taken advantage of by the government. for example, the ability to send remittances to -- back to cuba. i would not do that now because the fact is it's highly likely that the regime would confiscate those remittances or big chunks of t.with regard to the -- they have a covid problem in cuba, i'd be prepared to give significant amounts of vaccine,
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if in fact i was assured an international organization would add minister those vaccines and do it in a way that average citizens would have access to those vaccines, and one of the things that you did not ask and we're considering is they have cut off access to the internet. we're considering whether we have the technological ability to reinstate that access, and i think i've answered your questions. thank you. >> translator: allow me, if i may, to elaborate on three different points. any german chancellor has a vested interest to talk and that's very much in the vested interest of germany to work and talking to the with any american president. we've always had context and you've been able to -- i think
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it was very transparent. today it was a very friendly exchange. sorry. i have to call mr. kunis and his german question. >> mr. president, allow me if i may to ask a question as regards in order stream 2. you just said that you would act is actively should russia be in breach of its commitments to interrupt gas transit for ukraine. what do you mean in concrete terms? would germany then switch off in order stream 2 from the german side, and what sort of legal grounds would you be sort of claiming? mr. president, you have fought some years, the u.s. has fought some years against in order stream 2 and now there will be only a few days left until this pipeline comes into operation. why -- will you allow it to go ahead, to put it in operation, or will the people who operate this system actually have to
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contend with sanctions on the horizon? >> well, you know that we've worked a lot, not only germany incidentally but the whole of the european commission for talking to russia and ukraine, negotiating a treaty that ensures until 2023 the gas contract and after that gas deliveries must be possible as well, that is what i've heard, at least. let me be very careful here in my worked, and then should that go ahead, we have a number of instruments at our dispose al which are not necessarily on the german side but on the european side, for example, sanctions as regards crimea or breach of the treaty has shown that we have those sanctions, instruments at our disposal.
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we have opportunities to react and we're in contact with our european friends and at the point in time which i hope we'll never have to take decisions you will then see what we do. >> my vow on in order stream 2 has been known for some time. good friends can disagree, and -- but by the time i became president it was 90% completed, and imposing sanctions did not seem to make any sense. it would have made more sense to work with the chancellor on finding out how she will proceed based on whether or not russia tried to essentially blackmail ukraine in some way, and -- and so the chancellor and i have asked our teams to look at practical measures that we can take together and whether or not europe energy security, ukraine security are actually strengthened or weakened based on russian actions and so this
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is a we'll see. we'll see. miss leonard of bloomberg. >> thank you, mr. president. i have two questions for you and then some for chancellor merkel as well. your administration tomorrow is issuing a business advisory for hong kong. i was wondering if you can explain why you think that is necessary, and then secondly on your build back better agenda, have you spoken to senators manchin and sinema about the $3.5 trillion framework and are you confident that they will be on board at that level, and if they demand that you lose some components, will you be able to keep progressives on board?
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i want ted ask you if you have a feeling that after the talk with president biden he better understands your viewpoint as regards china or whether the situation is still tense, whether there's still decoupling and secondly whether you think the united states has contributed enough to vaccinate the rest world, or do you think it's -- is it appropriate for children in the nights to vaccinate people below the age of 12 while other countries have no chance to get vaccinated? >> that's all. i thought i said we'd take two questions. we owed take two questions from each person called on. let me talk about the business advisory. the situation in hong kong is deteriorating, and -- and the
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chinese government is not keeping its commitment that it made to deal with hopping congress, and so it is more of an advisory of what may happen on hong kong. it's as simple as that and as complicated at that and with regard to am i confident? i'm supremely confident that everything will work out perfectly in terms -- look, i understand why the press among others is skeptical that i can actually get this deal done on infrastructure anding on human infrastructure, and i've watched and listen in the press declare my initiative dead at least step times so far. i don't think it's dead. i think it's still alive. i still have confidence that we're going to be able to get what i proposed and what i've agreed to in the bipartisan agreement on infrastructure.
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i've gotten -- we've each committed i trust the members of the republican senators who have made the commitments littletive to how we should proceed and what would be included in the package for infrastructure and -- and the men and women of honor and i expect they would keep their commitment. with regard to the further issue of what's going on and what will confuse the listening audience but reconciliation, that is the mechanism by which you have to get every single democrat to apreto proceed on matters like what i announced today. today, i don't know whether you have any children and it's none of my business but if you do you'll be getting if you make less than $1150,000, you'll get a significant stipend as a tax cut if you have a child upped
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the age of 7 years old, you're going to get in your bank account today, you're going to get a payment of 12 months divided -- $3,600 -- 3,600 divided by 12 every month just like a social security check. it's expected to reduce child poverty by over 40%, and it could be a significant, significant game-change. we have mechanisms to pay for both these mechanisms and there may be some last-minute discussion as to who and what mechanism is used to pay for each of these items, both the infrastructure package and the human infrastructure package, but i believe we will get it done. thank you. >> we talked about china, and
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there is a lot of china in many areas is our competitor, that trade are china needs to rest on the assumption that we have a level playing field so that we all, well, play by the same rules, have the same standards and that incidentally was also the driving force behind the eu/china agreement on trade, that they abide by the core labor norms of the ilo, and that we're convinced of ours needing to be technological leaders for our countries, our two countries in many, many areas. it's legitimate for china to do this as well and we would corporate in several state of the art technologies, i think the act that the postlaunched is crucial and we want to trade
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together at a time of digitalization where security issues loom very large in our agenda. we ought to have an exchange on this and ought to talk about standards and whether he with agree on our efforts, we need to coordinate our efforts. we do that with the european union and we need to do that in the united states. there's sometimes common interests but there's areas where american companies compete with european thinks. but the rules of how to deal withman on our shared value, on the pan deck, we can only mattest the pandemic if each and
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everyone is -- as many people as pop vaccinated and that hopes us up no criticism which is why we over invested a lot of money in kovaks and to increase protusks vaccines and we're trying to help of a cabs to upscale people so they can have their own. there is an imbalance, i agree. we've overomg that. >> thank you. >> for each of you, mr. president, my first question touches an issue that worries a lot of people in the u.s. hand in germany. can you explain to us why there still is a travel ban for people
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coming from germany or other states of the european union, why people from turkey where the number of new cases are seven times as high can come. you have repeatedly said that you're following scientific data. what is the main argument for not lifting the travel pan for that region and to chancellor merkel -- you talked to the business companies here. you heard their concerns. you heard their fakes. some have suggested their focus away from the united states. what's your main argument for the best of the -- we brought in the head of our covid team and the process is how soon we can lift the ban. it's in process now, and i'll be
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able to answer that question to you within the next several days what is likely to happen. i'm waiting to hear from our folks and our covid team as to when that should be done. >> and the chancellor did raise it. >> i did raise the issue, yes. and got the same answer that the president gave you just now. the covid team is evaluating the matter. we had an exchange in both area, the delta variant actually being on the increase. that is, again, a new challenge to both of us, and obviously before such a decision one has to reflect and it has to be a sustained decision.
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>> if we don't leave right now we're going to miss dipper. the chancellor and i are having dinner with a number of folks very shortly so thank you for your attention and thank you for your questions. thank you. >> thank you. you have been listening to president biden and german chancellor angela merkel in the east room of the white house taking questions from reporters after their white house meeting. biden biden praised merkel's more than 15 years and said they had talked about many topics including russia and china, the pandemic. when the floor opened to questions, biden addressed the crisis in cuba. he called it a failed state and said they were looking at
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technology to restore internet access. biden also said good friends can disagree referring to the controversial pipeline that merkel and biden disagree on. jamie, you heard these two leaders compliment one another and highlight areas that were highly amicable. a stark difference from president trump. >> i think the most striking thing today was a complete change in tone from, as you pointed out, president biden talking about friendship. i did notice that chancellor merkel dodged the question when she was asked to compare president biden and then president trump.
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she did not go there, no place close to it. i also thought your point about biden's coming out very quickly saying good friends can disagree. that seems to be the crux of what he was trying to do. there were a lot of disagreements. we just heard about one at the end about lifting the ban. but just overall, the tone, the tenor, it could not be any more different than the last four years. >> we should note also how strong biden's comments were about cuba, not only about cuba being a failed state but about communism being a failed system. there are some people on the left who have been reluctant to criticize the cuban government which has been owe pressing its
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people for decades. biden said it was a failed government and called communism a failed system. he was less critical but harsh when it came to socialism. >> and a contrast to the obama administration where he embarked on a relationship with cuba being more open. a different stens from this person who was the vice president to obama. also whether there will be intervention in haiti and cuba. the president saying not at this time, but in cuba perhaps putting the internet back online, technology they could employ where the citizens protesting this oppressive
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regime could communicate with the rest of the world. the president also talking about possibly supplying a vaccine to cuban citizens as well. but they are concerned about any sort of support going straight to the cuban government. >> this is politically an opportunity for joe biden given the fact that he lost florida. there is a large contingent of voters in florida who are disgusted with the communist government in cuba and disgusted with the government of venezuela as well. marco rubio, who happens to be cuban said let's give the cubans internet. i think secretary pompeo did something similar in iran. this is an opportunity for biden
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and he seems to be willing to listen. >> the first thing i thought of was the state of florida and political implication. he did not have to say today they were looking for a technological way to bring the internet back and communication back. i don't think that was any accident. that was a signal he wanted that message out there. and to your point, there is a sense here that there is a difference between president joe biden and the obama administration. he was putting that marker down as well. >> one of the other areas of disagreement -- there are lots of areas of disagreements to be honest. biden wants to allow companies to make vaccines without the
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intellectual copyright laws. merkel is not there. merkel is not as willing to be hardline on china. and nord stream, the pipeline. patrick joins us on the phone. biden saying the white house is looking at restoring internet service in cuba. the last time i saw you in cuba in 2015 when the obama administration was opening the embassy there. social media was spotty. you would have to go downtown in havana. you could get internet access for an hour and they would shut it down. what would this mean if the united states provided technology so cubans could have access to the internet?
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>> the only reason we know about the protest is the internet. it's a recent invention in this island, something that cubans have only recently been able to get hold of and this is how they used it in the last few days by showing pictures of the protests and police crackdown. over the last several days we have seen internet service cut off and then severely limited so people cannot share videos and live stream the protests as they were happening. this is a cuban government way of trying to stop the protests from moving forward. we have all been wondering what president biden's cuba policy
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would be. it was said for months it was under review. i think we now know what it is. it can be very different from president barack obama's. how difficult is it to turn the internet on in cuba? i don't know. it is controlled by the government. there is one state run internet. they can turn it on and off. we saw president biden tell cuba to not crackdown on the protesters, and said it was their right to handle internal affairs how they want to do that. they continued to crackdown, ignored that call by the administration. i think you will see a division between the cuban government and biden administration that's not
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paying any mind to what's coming out of washington. >> a big difference between biden and obama when it comes to the view of cuba. joe biden born in 1942, remembers the revolution that ended in 1959 when castro took over. barack obama was born in '62 and has no memory. caitlin, what was your take away? >> the travel ban. german chancellor apparently asked today. he said they brought in members of the covid-19 to assess the situation. she said she got the same answer as the reporters. president biden said he is
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looking at the restrictions and what they are going to do. they have been in place because of the delta variant. jake, he said he would give us an update in a few days. >> caitlin collins, thank you. wolf bellitzer is next door. see you some. major setbacks in the fight of the coronavirus. los angeles county, the most populous county in the country is reinstating its mask mandate. also, a pilgramage to the golf club as they look to select members. >>