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>> if we take a shot from her from behind later today, you'll see. it bears a striking resemblance. >> daniel silva, it's great to have you on. great to have both you and jaime on in the show. the new book, the cellist, you can get it today. >> thank you for having me. >> cnn's coverage continues right now. ♪ ♪ very good thursday morning to you. i'm jim sciutto. >> good morning. i'm poppy harlow. new this morning, it is a decision that will have repercussions for the nation's highest court and the laws of our country for decades to come. the question this morning is will supreme court justice steven breyer retire before the midterms or stay on the bench. >> cnn's supreme court analyst joan busiiscupic is speaking wi justice breyer after the court recessed after a slew of controversial decisions. joan joins us now. so, he told you -- by the way,
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fantastic access to a supreme court justice. we tip our hats to you. he says he hasn't made a decision yet. he says the two factors are his health and the court. i wonder what he means by the court exactly. >> sure. and, you know, jim and poppy, there was just so much speculation around a possible supreme court vacancy and whether president biden might get his first opportunity to name someone to a lifetime seat. so that's why i went up there to just get a sense of his thinking. and he did list those priorities right in that order. his health. he's turning 83 next month. he is a very vigorous 82-year-old now, you know. he jogs. he's -- he hasn't had any of the kinds of health problems that plagued justice ginsburg through four different cancer ordeals. he's relatively healthy. but to the point of his second consideration, the court, this is a man who is very much of an institutionalist, who thinks he can bring consensus to the court, you know, across the
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ideological factions. he's kind of an old school justice in that regard, where he doesn't want to think of the court as it's polarized with six republican appointed conservatives and three democratic appointed liberals. he tries to sort of break up that idea. and he thinks about the institution, you know, in terms of its integrity in the american eye. so that's how i understood his regard for the court. >> joan, he is a smart man. obviously that goes without saying. and the reason i say that, i remind people he knew you were going to ask this when he agreed to sit down with you for coffee in rural new hampshire. i want to know why he said yes, then. >> that's a good question. i went up to see him, and i had several things to talk to him about. you know, toward the end, i said, i need something on the record from you about what you're thinking. and i said, you know, i've come all this way and you hadn't
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wanted to talk at other times, but here i am. have you decided what you're going to do? because i have to say, poppy and jim, i've been watching for all the signals and there were zero signals he was going to leave despite all the pressure. but i wanted to hear it directly from him. so as i've said, he was a bit of a reluctant conversationalist, but he said no, i have not decided. and then i asked him, what will influence you? and that's when he talked about his own health and the court. but then the other thing he told me on the record, which was so helpful to understand his thinking, is about this responsibility he has now as the senior justice on the liberal side. >> right. >> that means that when the liberals are in dissent, he assigns the opinions for that weighing of the bench, but it also means that he speaks earlier in the justices' private conference and he has more of a chance to influence the internal debate, and more of a chance to try to bring some sort of
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consensus rather than these hard and fast 6-3 rulings. >> when it's just the nine of them in that room. joan, as jim said, huge scoop. everyone should read the entire piece. thank you for bringing it to us. >> thank you. let's bring in senior political analyst john avalon to discuss all this. people say why bring in a political analyst when you're talking about the courts. because so much of breyer's calculus and concern about the state of the court is about politics, right? that speech he gave at harvard last year warning what happens when you let people view those in robes as politicians or politically influenced. >> yeah, but that's the reality. i mean, you know, the highest court in the land is still selected through a political prism. if there were any doubt about republicans' determination to do whatever they can to seat courts, it was the result of ruth bader ginsburg deciding not
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to resign, and then running right into reversal of the rule they had applied to -- when scalia's seat was open. they jammed that through. donald trump had three appointees. so it is reckless to ignore the political implications of this decision. >> democrats have ptsd, you might call it, from the rbg situation, right? >> sure. >> there were some that encouraged her to do the same thing, quietly, more quietly now the encouragement if you want to call it that to breyer is louder and more public. how does that pressure go from here, then, right? because the midterms are just a little more than a year away, right, so that razor thin democratic majority in the senate could disappear then. what happens now? >> well, that's exactly right. what he said to joan is that he left the door slightly open, although there is no indication he plans to retire, certainly by his actions. but here's the thing. let's say he wants he wants a
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28th year on the court. it will be the midterms, still the middle of biden's term. maybe i'll retire then. what's to say republicans would say, midterms, we could control the senate in just a few months, therefore we're going to delay this. there's no rational reason to think -- he worked for ted kennedy. ted kennedy didn't resign when he was gravely ill. that seat went to a republican at a critical time for a health care debate. there is plenty of precedent. even though his health seems strong, he needs to think about the institution of the court and the balance and what is happening to the senate, which is politicized this court. it is his choice to make, but it is reckless to ignore the political dynamics in place. >> i mean, it's remarkable to think, right, you could delay again. we've seen so many delays by mcconnell and others, right, during the obama term. well, we have an election coming up. we won't do it again after trump's election. maybe in advance of the midterm. well, things could change there. it's amazing the gaming of the system.
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>> that's right. and that's why you can't simply act as if that's not happening in the senate. you cannot separate out the partisan power grabs even from the position on the supreme court. >> well, john avalon, thank you for walking us through it. >> thank you, guys. >> very real. on another topic this morning this just in to cnn, the u.s. surgeon general is warning about the real world costs of health disinformation as new infections of covid rise and vaccination, at least rates of vaccination is dropping. >> he's calling that misinformation, quote, a serious threat to public health. our senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is with us. good morning, elizabeth. >> good morning. >> the biden administration, their health officials, the top one we just quoted, extremely worried about the impact of misleading, flat-out wrong false lies, sometimes, about covid vaccines. and by the way, spread largely on social media. >> that's right, exactly right. there is one thing that is
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standing in the way of this pandemic getting under control in the united states, and that is garbage on facebook and other social media sites. we have the science, right, we have these incredible vaccines. what's standing in the way is that about a third of americans have chosen not to get it. and i say chosen because they could get it. it's there. it's near them. it's free. and they're not getting it. and it's because of this misinformation. so this new report from surgeon general murthy, let's take a look at a really important sentence in here. it says, limiting the spread of health misinformation is a moral and civic imperative that will require a whole of society effort. i think in many ways, this administration as well as the one that preceded it were sort of caught off guard with this. they thought, well, we're going to have a great vaccine, people are going to see how well it works. and they will take it. i think they underestimated the power of misinformation. this whole of society effort
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needs to start with the cdc and others. they need to think, how are they going to counteract this misinformation. this happened during the measles outbreak years ago and i asked top cdc officials, what are you going to do? and i will tell you, to be honest, they basically pooh poohed it. we're not going to get down in the mud with these crazy people who are spreading all of this misinformation. we're going to put out the science and the science will win. we can now show, no, the science did not win. they need to figure out how to effectively communicate not just when people's brains, but their hearts as well how to do that without getting into the mud. there has got to be a way to do that. >> it doesn't work to shame people or yell at people. how do you change hearts and minds. >> exactly. >> and, by the way, it's not just on social media. it's coming from sitting lawmakers. it's coming from the health department and the state of tennessee, right? it's deliberate. i mean, on right wing media. it's powerful, that message. >> great point. elizabeth, thank you.
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see you tomorrow. >> thanks. still to come, as we see many adults choose not to get vaccinated, that is putting our children at risk. why there is not yet a vaccine approved for children under 12, but it's coming. plus, just stunning allegations. the nation's top generals were, according to a new book, so worried that former president trump would attempt a coup to remain in power, they were discussing a plan to prepare for that, prepare for the worst. we'll have details next.
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now to the new book giving stunning insight into the chaotic and frankly dangerous final days of the trump presidency, it details the very real fears among top military generals that the former president might actually attempt a coup in the aftermath of his election defeat in an attempt to hold onto power. it is in a book "i alone can fix it" but carol leonnig and phil rucker. >> the chair of the joint chiefs was shaken by president trump's refusal to concede, he believed trump and his allies might attempt to overthrow the government. according to one excerpt, general milley allegedly told his deputies, quote, they may try, but they're not going to succeed. you can't do this without the military. you can't do this without the cia and the fbi. we are the guys with the guns. our special correspondent
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jamie gangal joins us now. this is one of so many alarming excerpts. you think of general milley, who chooses every word with intention, a student of history to use the words nazi and reich tag a lot. >> absolutely for context after the election, as you said, general milley was so shaken, an old friend called him. it's anonymous in the book. and they said, they're going to try to overturn the government. and so he got together with other top administration officials, with top military officials, and they put together -- they informally planned, in case there was an attempted coup, they wanted to make sure the guardrails were kept up. i just want to read another excerpt from the book. this is after january 6th, after he has seen the violent attack
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on the capitol. and general milley is preparing for the inauguration. he's with other law enforcement officials and he says, quote, here's the deal, guys. these guys are nazis, they're boogaloo bois, proud boys. these are the same people we fought in world war ii. everyone in this room, whether you're a cop, whether you're a soldier, we're going to stop these guys to make sure we have a peaceful transfer of power. we're going to put a ring of steel around this city, and the nazis aren't getting in. as you said, general milley is very careful with his words. there is also an end to that, which is that general milley is shown at the inauguration, he goes to the ceremony. and at the end of the book, he's talking to the obamas who are sitting next to him. and michelle obama asks him, how
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are you doing? and he says, "no one has a bigger smile today. you can't see it under my mask, but i do." he felt it was critical to make sure there was a peaceful transfer of power. >> we have to remind people, this is not an outsider speaking. >> correct. >> this is a general who served at former president trump's discretion. he served -- that administration was in the room with him many times. by the way, this fits a pattern of what the president is still continuing to do today. one thing is struck in the book as well, a phone call. this is the day after january 6, the insurrection. between milley, and interestingly, representative liz cheney. tell us what that conversation was like, especially given where we are with cheney today. >> right. so, for some context, liz cheney is close to general milley. they speak often, and this is on january 7th, liz cheney calls
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general milley and she's telling him about what it was like in the chamber on january 6th. and no surprise, she is angry about one of her colleagues, representative jim jordan who is a trump loyalist, who has been perpetuating the big lie. and milley says to her, quote, how are you doing? and cheney says, the guy, jim jordan, that son, while these maniacs are going through the place, meaning the capitol, i'm standing in the aisle and he said, we need to get the ladies away from the aisle. let me help you. and cheney says, i smacked his hand away and told him, get away from me, you did this. in other words, from the election to january 6, jim jordan was on the phone with donald trump, if not every day, several times a week.
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and as we all know, liz cheney voted for the impeachment. she sees, you know, her republican colleagues as perpetuating and enabling trump that led to january 6th and the insurrection. >> by the way, it's more than six months since then. many people are still perpetuating the big lie. >> absolutely. >> thank you for the "inside look" at this. we are joined now by former army commanding general lieutenant general mark hurtling. it's great to have you back. this is mark milley, doesn't mess around, doesn't mince words. his fears were genuine here, of trump attempting a coup. i'm just curious, given you served in uniform as well at that level, explain to folks at home how significant this is. >> this is hugely significant, jim. and it's, as you just said a
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mina go, it was nexpected. we had seen indicators of this since the trump presidency began. what i'd like to point out is general milley as the joint chiefs of staff doesn't command any forces. his primary job by congressional and legal mandate is to provide advice to the president and the secretary of defense and to testify before congress in terms of the state of the military. so he was very adamant like all general officers are about supporting the civilian military relations. he's also taken a vow to defend the constitution. that is part of our oath. and i think, you know, he was caught in a very delicate situation and did a very good job. and you can see now in the book there were a lot of things going on behind the scenes. and milley stepping up as the chairman of the joint chiefs when there was not -- you know, there was an acting secretary of defense, that's part of the problem. you had a retired lieutenant
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colonel, chris miller, who had just been placed in that role and had not been confirmed by the senate. so all of these things contribute to the morass that was in government at the time, and which joan i think took some magnificent steps to rise above. >> let's take a moment and listen to general milley. this is in the days after the election. this is 2. shifting tone and making clear where he stands, and maybe sending a message to the president directly. here he was. >> we do not take an oath to a king or queen, a tyrant or dictator. we do not take an oath to an individual. no, we do not take an oath to a country, a tribe, or religion. we take an oath to the constitution. >> jaime, i think back to the final days of the nixon administration and what reportedly at least in private then secretary of defense james
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schlesinger was telling people around the president, if he orders anything crazy or having to do with nuclear codes, clear it through me or kissinger first. >> right. i think just for some other context, there is a phone call in the book between nancy pelosi and general milley, and she says to him, quoted in the book, remember your oath. and then he goes on to reassure her. look, general milley believes in civilian authority. and he goes on and he reassures her. "we'll only do things that are, quote, legal, ethical, and moral." i was speaking to a very high-level former pentagon official last night about general milley, and just to go back in time for a second, when general mattis left, he actually suggested somebody else to be chairman of the joint chiefs, and trump passed over that
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person and picked general milley. and i'm not so sure he was the best choice, including my source last night. my source said to me, you know, general milley was probably the best person to have in this job at this time. he's a stubborn irishman from boston with a lot of backbone, and he was the right man for this time. >> listen, and as a reminder, trump chose him, a pointed him. not an outsider, trump's choice. general, before we go, defending the rioters as the president is doing, former president, and many gop lawmakers downplaying what happened that day, in your view, are they empowering the folks, the groups that milley was talking about and referred to as nazis that a tttacked the capit? are they giving them power and encouragement? >> absolutely, jim. there is no doubt in my mind about that. and what we're concerned about
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now is the continual use of the big lie. you know, it's interesting to me that what milley was standing up -- and that speech that you just showed is one that i've given many times. when we vow to defend the constitution, we are vowing to defend, not land, not title, not officials, not presidents, but ideas, a piece of paper that lists what our ideas are as a nation. and -- don't adhere to those ideas are damaging the country. so those who tend to ignore the authoritarian takes of those who might be in public office, who refuse to vote the way they should, what they know the truth to be, what supports our democratic principles, they're -- in my view, they're just as bad as president trump trying to bring about authoritarianism in the office of the presidency. so, yeah, absolutely. anyone who ignores these kinds of things in my humble opinion,
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is ignoring their oath and vow to defend the constitution of the united states. >> lieutenant general, as always, thank you. jaime, extraordinary reporting again, getting all of this. thank you. still ahead, a covid-19 vaccine for young children is still not available. the question is when will it be. the cdc director just weighed in on this, so we'll have that ahead. and we are moments away from the opening bell on wall street. stock futures are mixed as we get new data that will indicate the pace of recovery in the labor market. some investors say stocks may struggle to grind higher in the coming weeks because an uptick in covid-19 infections could threaten global reopening. we're going to stay on top of it. this is how you become the best! [wrestling bell rings] [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito] ♪ try to be best 'cause you're only a man ♪
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♪ dream on ♪ - yes! ♪ ahhhhhhh ♪ ♪ dream until your dreams come true ♪ cdc director rochelle walensky says a fall surge in new covid infections is preventable if more people get vaccinated as soon as possible. >> the call to action comes as the delta variant fuels the surge this summer. new cases are up in almost every state, 47 states. dr. walensky says the key to keeping your family safe is for everyone old enough to get vaccinated. >> how do we do that? we vaccinate our families so our younger kids are not at risk. because by vaccinating your teenagers and adults in the household, you protect your young children from being at risk. then when they go back to
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school, to have them wear masks, to practice mitigation measures we have been talking about. and by doing so, we believe our kids can be safer back at school. >> joining us now is dr. leana nguyen, former baltimore city health commissioner. good morning, doctor. >> good morning. >> you wrote a few days ago about the cdc's guidance that was just the director of the cdc, in terms of schools saying their guidelines are not perfect, but they are better than expected. what do parents need to know this morning as they remember, these are just cdc guidelines, right? states can choose, and they are, by the way, what they mandate and what they don't. >> well, i'm glad that the cdc came out with very strong guidance saying two things can happen at once. one is that schools should be opened full time for in-person instruction, and two, that this could be done safely if mitigation measures are put into place. i think that if is really important because we keep talking about these two covid
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nations. people getting vaccinated and those getting infected. i don't want to put all of our young children into the category of those infected. there is this narrative again that vaccination is just about you. but i don't understand this personal choice that some people are making. what kind of choice is it to infect other people, including other people's children. and so i think parents should know that they need to do their best to protect their children by getting vaccinated themselves as dr. walensky very well said. we also have to keep in mind that indoor masking remains important for our young children. if they're not yet able to be vaccinated, they should still be wearing masks indoors, including in the classroom. >> in terms of risk from the delta variant, dr. walensky there, sanjay gupta said the same on our air yesterday, that if you are vaccinated, that you are safe from the delta variant. just because you and i can't control what other people do, whether they get vaccinated themselves. but for us who are vaccinated, should we have a reasonable
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sense of comfort as to our own personal risk from the delta variant? >> those people who are vaccinated should feel very safe we are protected from severe illness due to the delta variant. it is extremely unlikely we're going to end up in the hospital or die. we are seeing more than 99% of people dying from coronavirus now are people who are not vaccinated. so that illustrates how well the vaccine protects against the delta variant. however, we don't know. and i think the cdc really needs to step up and do a better job of tracking breakthrough infections with the delta variant. it's believed that with the delta variant, you carry more virus in your nose. you're able to infect more people if you're unvaccinated. vaccination reduces the level of virus you carry. how much less are you able to infect others? we don't know. >> a lot of debate over mandating in schools, what's going on in ohio right now, for example, is because the fda has not fully authorized these
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vaccines. >> yeah. >> they haven't even given emergency authorization for those 12 and under. when is that going to happen? please explain to our viewers here. ua means it's very safe. >> that's right. there is the emergency use authorization that the fda has granted for the use of the vaccines for those 12 and older. and this age group, we now have hundreds of millions of people around the world who have received these mrna vaccines, for example, and people have received the johnson & johnson vaccine that's also authorized. it's really safe. at this point it's a matter of paperwork. i mean, we're going through the regulatory process to get formal approval, but no one expects that this is not going to go through for some reason. so it's just as good as being fully approved. that said, i do think that formal approval is going to be reasonably important for workplaces, for schools that currently are not yet going the full step of mandating vaccines.
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i think the full approval will allow them to do that. as far as when younger children will be able to be vaccinated, those under 12, i hope this fall for elementary age children. but it may be a bit later. it depends on the studies because the studies are going to be harder. a 2-year-old is very different from a 12-year-old in terms of what dose needs to be given. and again, the best thing we can do now is for adults to step up and see it as our responsibility to protect our children. >> yeah, and everyone else. >> exactly. dr. wen, thank you. still ahead this hour, this just in. president trump says he will meet with house minority leader kevin mccarthy today as mccarthy considers which republicans to put on the january 6 committee. we'll have the details of that meeting next.
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this just in to cnn. president trump says he will meet with house minority leader kevin mccarthy later today. the minority leader still weighing which republicans to assign, if any, to the january 6 special committee to investigate the insurrection. >> laurenne fox is on capitol hill. laurenne, what do we know about this meeting? >> reporter: poppy, the meeting is coming, the announcement of the meeting is coming. as we know mccarthy is still considering who he wants to put on the sleekt committee. we learned yesterday after it was announced the first committee would be held july 27, that mccarthy does plan to a point his members before that first hearing.
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that's because they don't want to go into this without some kind of representation on the dais. that's going to be a key and important factor when it comes to defending the former president and defending republicans' positions. mccarthy's meeting is significant because democrats have made clear that mccarthy may be one of the members they want to hear from in this probe in front of their select committee. so i think that that is another key question here. what are they going to talk about at this meeting. are they going to discuss potentially what they talked about on january 6 because if you remember that phone call that the two men shared was contentious. and we reported it at the time that this had been a moment in which mccarthy was asking trump to do something to stop the mob at the capitol. and trump was arguing that these people at the capitol cared more about the election than mccarthy did. now, that's going to be something democrats want to hear from mccarthy on, so are they going to discuss that today? are they going to discuss who to appoint to this select committee? i think those are the key questions going into this meeting.
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we, of course, just don't have the answers a couple minutes after this announcement. i will tell you, i thought it was interesting that trump announced that this meeting was occurring instead of mccarthy. perhaps that's because trump's office wants to make it clear this meeting is happening. i'm not sure that mccarthy would necessarily want this to be out there. >> i was thinking the same thing. jim, were you? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. i'm just curious, is that relationship repaired given that phone call on january 6 when mccarthy afterwards said trump bears responsibility. of course, he's changed his tune since then. >> reporter: well, i think that's one of the key questions here. i also think you have to remember there is an election looming. 2022 is something mccarthy knows he needs trump for and he needs his support for if he's going to try to take back the house in just a couple of years. that's another big question mark is that the subject of this meeting. at this point we just don't know. >> yeah, by the way mccarthy could be called to testify before this committee. so i suppose this meeting will
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also be of relevance or interest. thank you, lauren. still ahead, the cost of nearly everything. you're noticing it, we're noticing it. it is getting expensive. the fed chairman says it is likely to stay that way in the coming months. we'll talk about what the inflation means for you ahead. ts and right now, to give you exceptional care and 20% off your treatment plan. new patients, take the first step with a complete exam and x-rays that are free without insurance. because our nationwide network of over 1,500 doctors at 900 locations all have one goal — to make you smile, today. start now. call 1-800-aspendental or book online at
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new weekly jobless claims just dame in this morning. a pandemic era low last week. >> cnn business correspondent christine romans has been following and theres have been some concern about the pace of job growth but the latest
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numbers and this and other ones we've seen, does that seem to show the pace, picking up. >> it seems to show that layoffs are slowing and hiring is picking up. 360,000 first time jobless claims. before the pandemic, we were running 225, 250. so this is still elevated. but going in the right direction. there is a a lot of hope as that as we get into the fall hiring is going to start to pick up when schools open and people could kind of get on the other side of this school and the childcare part of this. it all fits into the inflation picture we've been seeing and talking about rising prices for just about everything. that is the big debate, the big story in business at the kitchen table. and honestly, improving job numbers and especially since so many families here, especially families who don't make the median income, families who make say $15,000 to $30,000 a year. they spent half of their money
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on the basics. so we still have an issue in the country at the moment where people are kind of just getting by and inflation is something we're carefully watching here. >> in a couple of hours president biden, and vice president harris will deliver remarks on the administration's expanded child tax credit. which is a big thing. who exactly will be getting these checks as they're sent out and how much should they expect. >> people are watching it right now and probably seeing it hit their bank account today. depending on your kid is sifrm or under. if you make $150,000 or less or an individual $112,000 or less a year you'll get the expanded child tax credit and the second half come next year in your tax return. if you didn't file your tax rereturn, go to the irs website and there is a portal to make sure you're signed up and choose
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how to receive this money. on the for a lump sum. soern take a hard look at that. but this is millions of families receiving this money. in this could not come at a better time. this is guaranteed income. democrats would like to make this permanent. we have a child tax credit. this is a bigger one, a beefed unone passed in covid relief. this is a very big deal. this is will a game-changer especially for low-income families. >> it will cut child poverty in half. christine romans, thank you very much. >> your welcome. well britney spears is one step closer to regaining control of her life, her finances. why she thought her conservators were, according to her, trying to kill her. among my patients i often see them have teeth sensitivity as well as gum issues. does it worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity and gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues.
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this morning what could be a major victory for britney spears in the battle to end the 13-year long conservatorship by his father. and she's been granted the request to hire her own new attorney. >> she spoke to the court by phone on wednesday in tears at times describing her situation as cruelty. and she wanted to charge her father with conservatorship abuse. her newly retained lawyer called on jamie spears to voluntarily step down, that is her father. we have -- with us.
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and the aclu filed a brief on behalf of this along with her mother. what difference will that make for her to have this new representation? >> well, our hope is that having a lawyer of miss spears' choice will make sure that the lawyer has agreed to represent britney spears' stated interested and represent toz interest to the court. and we're hopeful that and trust that mr. rosengarden will do that and the right to choose an attorney and to have an attorney that you trust and will zealously advocate for you is a really core part of the right to counsel and critical in guardianship proceedings across the country. >> you have noted that conservatorships are common and for people frankly without
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spears' fame or money or platform, why is that, how common and how do people get out of those things? can they? >> it is very difficult to get out of them. we don't even know exactly how many people are in them because there is such limited data. the best estimates are that around 1.3 million people are in conservatorships and guardianships around the country and it is much easier to get into a conservatorship and than to get out. and that is problematic because it is a really huge loss of civil rights, and civil liberties, a huge loss of your autonomy and right to make choices. so it is a big deal to be in one and so hard to get out of them. >> and to jim's point, you know, a lot of people, almost anyone else in a conservatorship doesn't have the platform of britney spears.
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it is those that are most disadvantaged that are stuck in them. >> right. exactly. we think it is important to highlight that this case is unusual because of the fame, because of the attention to it. but in terms of the process, of a person who gets into a conservatorship at a moment of crisis and finds that they are apparently trapped in it for years and years and caught in a sort of a catch 22 where we thnt get out and if they're doing well they can't get out. if they're doing poorly, they can't get out. that pattern we see across the country and happening to poor people and disproportionately happening to women. and it is very common what she is experiencing. >> what happens now? she gets her own lawyer. does that mean this is probably coming to an end. >> her lawyer has to work with her to decide what happens next. whether he'll petition to lift
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the conservatorship or lift for something else. and hopefully we'll work with her and proceed with what she said that she wants because that is what her lawyer should do. >> got it. >> and just a note here. her father, jamie spears, who she made the accusations against yesterday, put out a statement about a month ago saying he's sorry to see his daughter suffering and in so much pain and he missed her very much. we're going to see where this goes in the coming months. thank you, zoey, very much. >> thank you. good morning, everyone. it is the top of hour. i'm poppy harlow. >> and i'm jim sciutto. the u.s. is calling on you to help stamp out lies about coronavirus vaccines. there are so many of them out there. so much disinformation. u.s. surgeon general vivek murthy is speaking out about the cost of vaccine misinformation this morning. warning that false i


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