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welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world, it's wednesday, july 14th. we begin with a deadly escalation of anti-vaccine propaganda in politics and on tv that is risking and costing american lives. >> 45 states are seeing a sharp rise in new infections due largely to the delta variant. 10% higher than the previous week. in a 34 states, new cases are up 50%, 50% higher than last week. officials attribute that to the unvaccinated population and the rise of the highly transmissible delta variant, 99% of the people dying from covid right now are unvaccinated. more than 99%, in fact. emergency room doctor told us this week that all of the sick covid patients he is seeing are unvaccinated. all of them. and yet to some, this is just a show. a deadly show. >> it makes you think once you
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think about it that maybe none of this is really about covid. maybe it's about social control. >> this has never, sean, been about following the science. it's never been about following the facts and the truth. it's been about control from day one. >> i mean, how -- i don't -- this is -- i think i honestly think it's the greatest scandal of my life time by far. i thought the iraq war was, this seems much bigger than that. >> 607,771 americans have died of the coronavirus. more than 99% of the people dying from covid right now are unvaccinated. >> obviously i'm not a doctor, but i've always thought about vaccines and think about nature and the way everything works, and i feel like a vaccination in a weird way is just generally kind of going against nature. if there's some disease out there, maybe there's just an ebb and flow to life where something supposed to wipe out certain amount of people and that's just kind of the way evolution goes,
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vaccines kind of stand in the way of that. >> 607,771 americans have died of coronavirus. 99% of the people dying right now are unvaccinated. >> so maybe it doesn't work and they're simply not telling you that? well, you hate to think that especially if you've gotten two shots. but what's the other potential explanation? >> in los angeles, where cases are up right now, none, none of the hospitals has admitted a single covid patient who was fully vaccinated. the director says, quote, at this point this really is a preventable illness, a preventable infection. >> this truly is the optional portion of the pandemic. to underscore that point, the biden administration is sending people to communities to educate those who are misinformed or may be skeptical of the vaccine, they're not showing up to force needles. >> the biden administration is
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about to take their pressure campaign to your doorstep. now, republican officials are already pushing back, and this is great. missouri's governor politely told the feds to take their vaccine evan jalization elsewhere. >> don't come knocking on my door with your fauci ouchie. you leave us the hell alone. >> now starting to talk about going door to door to be able to take vaccines to the people. think about what those mechanisms can be used for. go door to door and take your guns and bibles. >> they're going to knock on your door. they're going to demand that you take it. and they're going to give you a third shot. >> when it comes to medical privacy, they've become like the taliban, which is a real problem. >> the focus of this administration on vaccination is mind boggling. >> again, 607,771 americans have died of the virus and 99% of the people dying right now are unvaccinated. >> we'll give everything we have
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to make sure that students are not going to have to live in a medical apartheid because they don't want to get the vaccine. this is a big statement but it's almost this apartheid-style open air hostage situation. oh, you can have your freedom back if you get the jab. >> it is just undenial being vaccinated will open up freedoms to work, to play, to accelerate the economy, quite frankly, to keep breathing. >> overall, the equation is very unfavorable for vaccination of anyone below age 30. unless we really have a compelling case no, one under age 30 should be seeing any one of these vaccines. >> in miami, the hospital system is seeing a surge. they're seeing a surge in covid cases among people in their 30s and 40s, twice as many patients this past weekend than they had earlier in the month. >> and then in tennessee, the republican-led state just fired its vaccination chief over what
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she says were efforts to get teens vaccinated. and now because of politics, the state is scrapping all outreach to children for any vaccine. not just for covid, for all diseases. >> i cannot believe that we are on the verge against all science of mandating vaccines for children. that we're on the verge of east german style show me your papers. >> there are so many good flight attendants out there but there are some flight attendants that take their job as the mask police to extremes. >> that is true. >> nazis of the air. >> millions of americans are seeing this nonsensical, nonscientific propaganda instead of this --
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[ labored breathing ] >> 607,771 americans have died of the coronavirus. 99% of the people dying right now are unvaccinated. >> children are dying in other countries that don't have access to vaccines of any kind. many of the americans who died last year would not have died with the vaccine currently available right now for free. 607,771 americans dead. some, many, maybe even most of whom would be alive today if the vaccine had been there in time for them. >> and when history asks how so many americans died when they could have been saved by a simple shot or two, you'll see these tv clips again that we have just shown in documentaries about the cautionary tale that's been america's response to the coronavirus pandemic. about how a large part of our country misled by information
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often echoed by elected officials and right wing media was thrown a life raft and instead said, no. i'll take my chances. joining us now for more is bill carter, cnn media analyst. bill, you've recently said that fox employees should quit because of the network's anti-vax push. tell us about that. tell us why. >> well, it's obviously pretty easy for someone outside an organization to tell someone they should not tolerate what their organization is doing. but you just cited the figures. and it's staggering and so dishonest. it's just not honest. i mean, what's the rational for this? what's their reason for saying, oh, be skeptical about the vaccine? skeptical is one thing. if you mention that and then say, yeah, but 99% of the people dying are the people who aren't vaccinated, at least you're doing your job. you're giving honest information. but to not give honest information and save lives, i just don't understand how you can justify that. if you're a professional in the
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information business and you're giving out this disinformation all the time that could cost someone their life, i don't know how you can function as a responsible journalist that way. just doesn't make sense to me. >> it's not responsible journalism what we're seeing, right? this information taken to heart endangers their viewers. why do you think fox hosts are doing this? >> well, this is the big question, brianna. why are they doing it? what's the reason? and the only rational you can come up with is because it's become the political point of view for the right wing, for the conservative movement. that you can't support this because if it continues to work as it has worked brilliantly for people who have been vaccinated, it might help joe biden. it might help his administration. and you can't have that. that's the rational for going out and saying, we're going to give people information that could wind up killing them. i mean, it's scary. if you worked in an organization where some people were poisoning the water in a town, how could
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you not speak up and say, you can't do this. this is poisoned information. they're not stepping up and saying, 99% of the people getting sick are the ones who aren't vaccinated. and you can be among those who are safe if you're vaccinated. why are you not saying that? and by the way, brianna, if trump had won the election, and he was in office, they would be doing the opposite. and we all know that. they wouldn't be campaigning this way if they had a republican in office. so, the dishonesty is what is really bad to me. >> fox is clearly worried about bleeding viewers to the even farther right networks, right? we saw that certainly around the time of the election and the insurrection. it's not just vaccines, bill, that fox is misleading its viewers on. check out this moment yesterday when a guest challenged a host there to state reality, which is that trump lost the election.
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>> you have made a lot of money personally by getting on here and spewing lies and conspiracy theories to folks who trust you. so what i'm asking you to do is to tell your voters right now that donald trump -- >> hey, at least you've resolved the lie that is ksh. >> yo dou that? did you catch what i just asked? >> voter id. it's not your show, sir. at least you resolved the idea that democrats are not for voter id. >> can you answer the question? did mohsen fdonald trump lose t election in 2020? >> i don't feel the obligation of any. >> is that it uncomfortable of a question of you. >> bill, i do my best to not call it fox news, to call it fox because it's not news. that is just b.s. you know, what do you think about that? what we heard there. >> they know what their audience wants. they audience wants to be validated. much of their audience decided they're going to support this crazy lie that trump actually won the election. so, they can't go against that. they're afraid to lose those
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viewers, to places that are worse. it is worse to have a guy on another channel saying it's like we should wipe out people. it's part of the strategy of nature to wipe out people when we can save them. might as well throw away penicillin that way. the thing is so over the top crazy now. but this is all about policy, all about we have to take a position that supports what our viewers want or we'll lose our viewers. it's about validation for them. not information. and it's obviously become incredibly dangerous. and i just don't see how you accept that as a seergs person trying to work in a profession. it seems to me that it's really something that -- i couldn't sleep. >> i think we just lost bill. i will finish that sentence. bill, you said you couldn't sleep if you were an employee of fox. is that what you're saying? all right. i think we're having -- >> obviously there are people -- some people are saying the right thing. but i think it's questionable.
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i just think this whole thing is questionable. >> we're having trouble with bill's signal there. bill, thank you so much. bill carter, we appreciate it. >> tune in next time to get bill's response to that question. i was hanging in the balance to find out there. >> right. tell me. >> it's a great tease. joining us now cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. we put those vaccination numbers up there. 99% of the people dying right now are unvaccinated. we reached the optional portion of this pandemic, which is in some ways is truly scary. you have an essay about what it means to be unvaccinated in america right now. >> yeah. i thought a lot about this obviously and been reporting on this for some time, celebrated i think with all of you when the vaccines were finally made available to people. and really relished the impact they would have. what the essay was and what prompted this is it's been this race that we talked about for some time, right? the vaccines versus the virus,
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the vaccines versus the variant and there was a finish line that was sort of put out there. how would you know that you could sort of look at this thing in the rear-view mirror. that was arbitrary but the number was around 10,000 cases per day. if we got to 10,000 cases per day in this country, we could say we have gone from trying to slow this thing down to containing it, to getting our arms around it. take a look at the graph. where did we get? we came tantalizingly close to that number, about 11,299 cases per day and then over the last week the numbers have really started to go up, really doubling really over the last week closer to 23,000 now. so, this race that we've been talking about for some time, we're neck in neck. looked like the vaccine was going to win but the variants have started to take over. the delta variant, everyone knows this term now, but it is a remarkably transmissible contagious variant that you are very well protected by if you get the vaccine, but if you
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don't get the vaccine, you are increasingly almost assuredly likely to get infected. one of the things that really prompted me to write this again was something that barny graham told me, he's deputy director at the nih, and what he said is people keep thinking that the country is going to be split into vaccinated and unvaccinated. the road we're on now is that the country gets split into vaccinated and infected. and this is a bad virus. it is a worse virus. it is more transmissible, more dangerous, you do not want this virus. there are too many people who are still very vulnerable. >> let's talk about just how transmissible it is. i mean, we saw this scenes coming out of wuhan, china, at the beginning of this. the complete and total shutdown and obviously it's a very different type of government. but we saw what they were dealing with. and that is a variant, that initial one, it's tiny in transmissibility compared to the delta variant. >> yeah. no doubt. i mean, this is remarkable.
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i thought a lot about how to sort of convey this. i mean, one way that public health folks talk about this is what's called the r not, basically if you're an infected person, how many people are you likely to transmit the virus to. to your point, that initial sort of strain we talked about, the are not was around 2 to 3. now with the delta variant, it's somewhere closer to 8, 6 to 8. so you know, right away you say so if you're infected person, you're carrying the virus, you could potentially spread that to up to eight people. if you start to do the math on that, it puts you into exponential growth very quickly and that's what you're starting to see in many countries around the world and in many places even within the united states because the united states you can't paint it with one brush. you have some places where you have higher vaccination rates and lower transmission. but there was this remarkable -- some countries there's this remarkable ability to contact trace. so places like australia and new
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zealand, they can really contact trace really effectively and gives you an idea of how transmissible these variants are. if we see what's going on in australia, you see the numbers going up. they had the cctv footage of people who actually just had these brief walk-byes in shopping malls. they don't know each other. they're walking by each other. they're not sitting there and talking to each other. and they find that there's actually transmission going on from those very brief encounters. it's pretty remarkable to actually watch. in new zealand, they found a single sort of object, a rubbish can the top of it may have been a source of infection for many people because they were able to contact trace that. so, this is a really, really, transmissible variant. the things you could have gotten away with before, walking by somebody quickly, in a grocery store or something, you simply can't get away with this delta variant. it is very unforgiving in this regard. so, transmissibility, if you want to put a number on it, 3 to
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4 times higher than it was, but it's the daily life encounters that are much more risky because of this variant. >> you can't get away with it unless you're vaccinated, unless you're vaccinated. >> unless you're vaccinated. >> when you're vaccinated, that's the way to get past this. in australia, it's exploding, the vaccination rate is way lower, way lower than the united states which is why it took off. sanjay, to give a sense of how politicized vaccinations have become, brianna did a terrific interview a tennessee health official. tennessee, the national tennessee reporting the health department has been ordered to halt all vaccine outreach to adolescents, not just talking about the covid vaccine, measles, rubella, they can no longer do any kind of outreach or public information about the need to get vaccines. i'm not asking you about the politics of this, i'm asking as a doctor who has kids, how frightening is this if all of a sudden there's no more vaccine outreach? >> it's -- people forget just
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how effective these vaccines are. i mean, when you become the victims of your own success because you don't realize how many lives are being saved because of vaccines, it becomes easy to sort of dismiss them or be dismissive of them in some way. when we looked -- if you talked about covid for a second and put aside the pediatric vaccines because that's mind boggling to me, i just don't know how to wrap my head around the fact that there are kids who will die of totally, totally preventible diseases. with covid it's like people dying in a war after the peace treaty has been signed. just totally preventable, unnecessary tragic death. with covid alone, they say perhaps the vaccines have prevented 280,000 deaths in the united states. >> wow. >> 280,000 deaths. it's remarkable. if you follow what the trend lines look like before the vaccines came out, you layered on seasonal changes, all the sort of stuff, they predict that
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280,000 people more would have died by this point. how do you convey that to people? how do you convey what might have happened and let that be a call for what they should do now. it's obviously challenging in this sort of environment, but that video you showed of younger people now struggling to breathe, that's real. that's what they're seeing in hospitals. we don't show that on television. it's tough to watch. you work in a hospital, see these patients, walk by covid wards, you're seeing the patients are getting increasingly younger and it's tough to watch these images of people lying prone on their bellies with nurses holding these ipads in front of them as they are saying good-bye to their families. that is still happening. i mean, we have made so much progress in this country, but the fact that not only would you say, hey, don't get vaccinated, but we will stop outreach on vaccinations for all sorts of vaccines. we are going to the dark ages when it comes to, you know, totally preventable disease in this country.
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>> i had not heard that statistic, 280,000 lives saved in the united states by the vaccine. that's a u.s. city. that's a u.s. city alive today that would be dead without the vaccines that are available to all of us for free. dr. sanjay gupta, thanks so much for being with us this morning. >> thank you. coming up, an exclusive interview with liz cheney about her role in the select committee looking into the insurrection. her message to house minority leader kevin mccarthy. plus, democrats reaching a deal overnight to advance a key piece of president biden's agenda but will the moderate wing of the party get on board? ?
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becoming the only republican named to the select committee in the house that is investigating the insurrection. so let's bring in cnn's melanie sa know that who did this interview. fascinating, melanie. and you report that actually liz cheney and kevin mccarthy the leader of the house republican conference, they're not speaking. right? tell us about this. tell us what this means and what liz cheney thinks that mccarthy is going to do on appointing people to this committee. >> not surprising they're not on speaking terms. he did kick her out of leadership earlier this year and they were on bad terms before that happened. she doesn't know who he is going to appoint to this committee but she has strong thoughts about which republicans should and should not be placed on the republican side of the committee. i want to read a quote from my interview she said it's very important that we have members who are committed to upholding the rule of law and members who are committed to that their oath to the constitution and certainly hope that the minority leader will be guided by that as he makes these choices. in other words, she doesn't think any republicans who are
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continuing to challenge the legitimacy of the 2020 election results or whitewashing the events of january 6th should be allowed to serve on that committee, which of course applies to a very wide swath of house gop colleagues. but you know, more broadly, i think these comments just really underscore how she's approaching this very high stakes assignment. wants to keep the partisanship out of it and willing to call it out no matter where she sees it. >> you reported last week, i believe, that mccarthy is going to be appointing people, but right now he's been coy whether he's going to proceed. we should mention that. >> yeah. >> now, as she's on this panel, what is she thinking about the possibility of subpoenaing the former president? >> i asked her that. and she said absolutely no one, including trump and mccarthy are off limits if they feel like their testimony is warranted, they're absolutely willing to subpoena them to call them to testify. that's in line with what benny thompson, the select committee's chairman has said and other members of the panel. it's clear they're in agreement.
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the question is whether they will determine that's necessary and worth it, which is something we probably won't get answers on for quite a while. >> what does this mean for her in 2022? >> well, of course this panel is going to drag into the next year when she has a primary race. it's going to be very high profile. you can just imagine the clips that her opponents are going to try to use to try to seize on this and try to paint her as in bed with democrats and aligned with pelosi. but look, i talked to some wyoming republicans who said they actually don't think it's going to change the battlefield very much. >> really? okay. >> because the people who are supported her and supported her impeachment vote support her being on this committee and those who thought her impeachment vote was a betrayal think she's on a crusade against the president. so the target on her back can't get much bigger in the eyes of trump world. but i asked her about this and she said i can't be concerned about the politics here. this is so much bigger than that. >> real quick before i let you go, she's in danger. those people you were talking to, do they think that she's a goner? >> you know, not necessarily because the primary field is so packed with those candidates might split up the trump lane.
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trump hasn't endorsed but could get interesting if and when he does that. >> great interview. thank you so much. up next, a dramatic budget deal overnight. will democrats now go it alone and sidestep republicans? we will talk to the white house next. and scenes of unrest across the globe. the hot spots that have washington worried. ♪ worry me? absolutely. sensodyne sensitivity and gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. ♪ i'm chi lan, i am a mom, and a real estate agent. after having a kid, everything that you used to do for yourself goes out the window.
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♪ major protests are erupting around the world as inequalities worsen amid the coronavirus pandemic. millions of people are marching through the streets, demanding jobs. democratic freedoms, social justice and an end to corruption in their countries. cnn's nick robertson is live for us in london with more. it's a trend that we're seeing. >> reporter: yeah, it is. there is a pattern emerging here. it's not a one size fits all, automatic path to protests on the streets. but countries we're seeing countries that have those underlying economic inequalities once you combine that with the effects of the pandemic, it really is bringing a very combustible situation. >> reporter: from cuba to haiti, south africa to lebanon, tinder dry tensions are igniting.
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crippled economies burdened by covid-19 are partly to blame. in cuba, angry citizens incensed by lack of food, medicine and freedom as well as spiraling coronavirus infections are getting beaten back by police for demanding the ouster of president miguel diaz canel. he blamed cuba's economic woes on u.s. sanctions imposed under former president donald trump. >> translator: we explained to the cuban people very clearly that we were about to enter a very rough period of time. >> reporter: reality is, cuba's weak economy and healthcare system is being brought to its knees by covid-19, infections soaring, only a little more than 16% of cubans fully vaccinated. the united states is watching with concern. >> people deeply, deeply, deeply tired of the repression that has
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gone on for far too long. tired of the mismanagement of the cuban economy. tired of lack of adequate food and, of course, inadequate response to the covid pandemic. >> reporter: haiti also a concern for the u.s. the audacious assassination of president jovenel moise last week topped weeks of deadly street protests and fighting, fueled by poverty and fractional infighting. the improverished nation saw street violence ramp up in recent weeks, concurrent with a spike in covid-19 cases in late june. in south africa, where covid-19 infections have been spiking, and vaccination rates are low, the economic inequalities are high. the army has been brought in to quell deadly rioting, triggered
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by the jailing of former president jacob zuma on contempt of court charges. and lebanon, too, is hitting a crisis. exacerbating pre-existing tensions of poor covid readiness. protests and anger ever present as rocketing inflation, rolling power outages royal passions. the nation reeling from the economic impact of decades of syrian civil war next door compounded by years of political infighting. and to cap it all, a port blast last summer shredding much of central beirut. and iraq this week became the latest country where tinder dry frustrations couple busted as they touched the nation's war and covid-weary population. oxygen tanks for treating covid-19 patients at a hospital exploded, killing more than 90 people.
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within hours, nearby residents took to the streets demanding better from their government. living with covid-19 has become not just a way of life, but a warning for leaders everywhere. and i think if we're trying to look at a big picture comparison here, look back at 2008 and the global economic crisis there, it took a couple of years for that to percolate through to the street level late 2010, that market trade set himself on fire, that became the spark that ignited the arab spring in 2011 and countries leaders changed as a result of that. so, you know, when we look at this pattern right now, there's some history to it as well. and dangers ahead. >> fascinating report, nic robertson, thank you so much. so new developments in the dangerous politics of vaccines after tennessee fired its vaccination chief over what she says were efforts to get teenagers vaccinated.
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now the republican-led state is scrapping all outreach to children for any vaccine all together. no public messaging from the health department on any vaccines. joining me now is the former republican governor of indiana, mitch daniels, he is now the current president of purdue university. i want to talk about what's going on at your university in just a second because it's really interesting, but first just, you know, when you see the tennessee health department saying you have to stop all vaccine outreach, i'm talking like measles, rubella, what do you make of that? >> well, it's the first i've heard of it. i'm not going to be quick to judge, but it's been conventional in this state and most states for a long time to require certain vaccines. obviously these are tested and fully approved and some people make that distinction, but i think it's an iffy call based only what i heard you just report. >> well, there is a connection in some cases. the biden administration doing
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vaccine outreach on covid, sending people door to door to educate people on vaccines. that's received push back. these people aren't going to actually stick people in the arm with shots, they're going to talk about vaccinations, yet there are some leaders who are resistant to that. why do you think that is? >> i'm not sure. certainly here at purdue university we are promoting the vaccine and encouraging it and enabling it everywhere we can. we do believe by now with hundreds of millions of doses administered that we can be quite confident, much more frankly than from controlled clinical trials may only involve a few thousand patients. so, this is something that i hope most people, certainly most adults and all those vulnerable through comorbidities and so forth will take heed of and act on. >> i think what you're doing at
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purdue is really interesting and i want to discuss it because you are not requiring vaccinations. you're encouraging them and just encouraged them right here to your students and people coming back to purdue. you're encouraging them but not requiring them. why? >> i think it starts first of all with an outlook of personal responsibility here. we opted after some debate and thought for a personal choice model. we are, as i said, very strongly encouraging everywhere we can, we administered 37,000 shots ourselves before school let out for the summer, but you know, we are leaving the choice to our students and staff now. they will have to accept the consequences if something goes wrong. for instance, they'll have to have their own quarantine arrangements because we do have a collective duty to keep this place open. we were probably -- not
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probably, we were the most open university our size that we know of in where last year through a great effort really led by our students and their compliance. but, now we have vaccines and we thought the right move was to give people choice. one last point, as a practical matter, we think we probably can get at least as far going this route as trying to mandate and then deal with the enforcement problems that go with it. >> one more question on the vaccines here, is you're also saying to students while you're not requiring it, you are saying there will be things that only vaccinated students will be able to do. there will be things that unvaccinated students will not be able to do. isn't that correct? and have you delineated what those things will be? >> it is correct and at least one respect. which is to say those who choose not to be vaccinate willed need to make their own arrangements as they would in any other year with any other disease to first
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of all stay out of class, stay away from infecting others and they'll have to do their best to keep up with their studies. no special arrangements will be made for them. there may be other things. we've not settled on them yet. let me make this point, last year life was difficult, if you wanted to keep an operation like ours going, but it was pretty straight forward. we did everything we could think of that might help control the virus. this year while things are much better they are more complicate and leads to tough judgment calls like you just asked about. >> it will be interesting to see and the reaction there. you're saying you don't have to get vaccinated but if you're not vaccinated your life will be different and if your vaccinated things will be more open to you. you're at a really interesting column about language. and it's in reaction to this type of thing, which was said by congresswoman marjorie taylor greene about vaccinations. biden is pushing a vaccine that is not fda approved. covid a political tool used to
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control people. people have a choice. they do not need your medical brown shirts showing up at their door ordering vaccination. now, after this, not saying it was only because of this, but after this you wrote a column saying people need to stop using the word nazi or nazi terms or framing things through fascism or naziism when they're trying to describe things. why were -- why do you write that and where does what marjorie taylor greene fit into what you're saying? >> first of all, i wrote the column and submitted it months ago just came in rotation this week. it's something that's troubled me for a while. it was in part an appeal for civility, which many people believe we could stand to see restored somewhat in our public spaces. but also an appeal for historical accuracy. these terms nazi and fascist getting thrown around by both sides. you just gave one good example. you know, other people of her
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persuasion used it about mask mandates. people on the left used it to attack folks for supporting continued police funding or enforcing the immigration laws or for good hallmark movies for goodness sakes. so my point was simply, you know, these words ought to be reserved for their proper place. mussolini invented fash lichl and described everything inside the state, nothing against the state and nothing outside the state. and you know, i don't think either except for a very few on the extreme left today are advocating anything like that. and both sides ought to stand down from this language except where it absolutely literally applies. >> purdue university president, former republican governor of indiana mitch daniels. appreciate talking to you. thank you for coming on today. >> thank you. disturbing new claims about facebook. security experts warn company
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concern that the conversation would likely leak to the press. it could make facebook complicit in whatever trump did that day, instead, the group had waited. joining me now is the authors of this new behind the scenes really fascinating expose titled "the ugly truth inside facebook's battle for domination" which is on sale right now. okay, this is so incredibly fascinating. let's start with the role of facebook in fomenting the rhetoric leading into january 6th. facebook said this, our teams were vigilant in removing content that violated our policies inside inciting violence leading up to january 6th. they said they were more aggressive than any other internet company. all right. you guys know the answer to this. is that true? >> you know, i think that when facebook made that comment there was a reason there was an immediate response and it was because it didn't ring true to a lot of people. in the lead-up to january 6th, for months people had been forming facebook groups called
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stop the steal. that idea that the election had been stolen from donald trump was really fermented and formatted on facebook. and those groups, as they got larger and larger, closer to january 6th we saw that rhetoric becoming more extreme. the night before the january 6th rallies were happening, people were posting photos of assault rifles on facebook and saying they were bringing them out to washington. >> so they knew this was happening. and you know, one of the things if we look even further back that you talk about in this book is zuckerberg actually had facebook make a pivot to privacy. >> yes. >> so then what you had was facebook pushing these online facebook discussions towards private groups on facebook. was this facebook purposefully trying to get rid of the issue of having to police this speech on its platform? >> well, look, over and over again we show in our book and what we were surprised to learn in our reporting was that often the decisions on technology are all -- actually always made
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towards getting more engagement on the site. that's their sort of core. and the groups are where people go, like-minded people, and they discuss things. they oftentimes exchange information that's false or that's dangerous and the groups are also harder to police. they're harder to look into and to police for potential violations. so, the groups were absolutely a core place where a lot of this organizing was taking place ahead of january 6th. >> it's not like he didn't know this, sheera, the leadership and zuckerberg at facebook didn't know. he actually >> absolutely, that's a pattern we show over and over again in the book. it didn't happen just once. that's the strength of our book. it shows multiple times in facebook's mystery they're warned something bad is going to happen. a whistleblower in the company or someone who is an expert says something bad is going to happen if you don't take action. and again and again, they wait for that bad thing to happen before they start to think about any changes. >> it's not proactive for sure,
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this picture that you paint. finally, in may of 2020, you have twitter taking unprecedented action when it comes to trump's tweets. they actually put a warning label on his tweet that said, in part, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. >> yes. >> how did that affect facebook? >> well, internally, it was a huge turning point in that employees were very angry that facebook did not respond quickly in the way twitter did. twitter has lots of faults of its own, problems they've had with the president. facebook has struggled with what to do with political speech. and what happened was after that is facebook decided to slow the spread of that looting and shooting post. but internally people felt like it was so clear that the former president crossed the line, that he was inciting violence and he was violating their hate policies. >> it's interesting to hear internally how this really didn't fly. there was so much disagreement with what zuckerberg and others
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were doing. you also detail a moment where zuckerberg had a private meeting in the oval office with president trump. i think this was in 2019. and you say this, quote. his team had run the numbers using proprietary internal data, and the president had the highest engagement of any global leader on facebook. zuckerberg told him. trump's personal account with 28 million followers was a blowout success. the former reality star visibly warmed up. you say this was a vanity gift, of sorts, as you describe it. you're describing a situation where zuckerberg is sucking up to trump. is that how you see it? >> i mean, i think that's an apt description. i think he knew exactly what he was doing when he showed up at the oval office with those figures. i think people know that e president enjoys his popularity and relishes how many followers he has. it was a pat on the back.
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our metrics show you are the most powerful and popular people on our platform. >> and he was worried about the animosity from trump? is that what it was, is that what you thought, shira? >> they were worried like many silicon valley companies. he often tweeted things that affected the stock market and particular businesses. they wanted to make sure they had a clear path in front of them in the white house. >> i'm sure you saw the july 4 -- may it be in infamy that we can enjoy over and over. this is it. right? i'll let it speak for itself. how about that? what i will say is this doesn't seem like a guy who is too worried about anything. >> no. >> i wonder, cecilia, if something has changed with the biden administration. is there any fear of the biden administration? >> well, interestingly, the biden administration has put some really big tech critics in very key positions.
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but this video was shot just a couple weeks after a court threw out an antitrust lawsuit against facebook. for mark zuckerberg, the idea of getting broken up is the biggest existential threat to him. i think he's feeling like he can breathe a little easier. he can hold the american flag as well. >> he can breathe, indeed. it's a fascinating, fascinating book. good luck, you guys. >> thank you so much. >> as you are bpromoting it. i learned so much. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. life may be returning to normal in the u.s. but the pandemic is far from over. disturbing data which could point to dark days ahead. we're going to break this down next. four iranian nationals accused of trying to kidnap a u.s. journalist in new york. a woman who claims she was the target live on "new day" ahead. ♪ ♪ oh, son of a poppyseed! ah, there's no place like panera. enjoy the cool, refreshing strawberry poppyseed salad.
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here in the united states and all around the world. it is wednesday, july 14th. coronavirus cases surging this morning in the united states fueled by the fast-spreading new variant and driven by the unvaccinated. >> that's right. more than 40 states are seeing a sharp rise in new infections because of this delta variant, and that is a 10% higher -- it's 10% higher than what we have seen the previous week. in 34 states, new cases are 50% higher than last week. we have some alarming new numbers about who is getting hit by this new variant. >> all right. joining us now, cnn senior data reporter harry. you have been preparing this up until 4 seconds ago. >> i think it's 3 seconds. >> i'm anticipating great things. i want to talk about cases. it is undeniable cases are rising fairly quickly. >> look, i think it's important to point out that we are rising right here. you can bates kelley see this, right. we hit businesasically the trou june. we've been


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