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the former president's cpac gospel is filled with dangerous insurrection lies. >> there was such love at that rally. you had over 1 million people there. they were there for one reason, the rigged election. they felt the election was rigged. that's why they were there. and they were peaceful people. these were great people. the doors were open and the police in many cases, you know, they have hundreds of hours of tape, and they're not releasing the tape. they ought to release the tape to see what really happened. but there was also a love fest between the police, the capitol police and the people that walked down to the capitol. >> and we begin right there with the former president's january 6th myth making and full embrace of the law making -- great people the president says of those who assaulted police officers. he attacked democracy trump says was a, quote yarks love fest. he insists there's some kind of
a coverup to keep hidden what happened that day. those are all lies and they are undercut by graphic and public video that is part of the federal government's giant january 6th investigation. take a look. sorry we have to remind you of this. this is not peaceful. these are not great people. january 6th was not a love fest. you would like to be able to ignore it and to roll your eyes at the fantasy. but he wants to run again. he is still largely in control of the republican party. and we know the people who attack the capitol that day listen to him. >> it's dangerous. we know the words still have power, and they move people to action. and the dynamic that we saw play out on january 6th which is very real and dangerous still exists.
it is still out there. sometimes it's quieter than maybe it was when president trump was sitting in the oval office, but it's out there and he has the ability to take his words and to engage his audience, to engage his floilers into action. that's a dangerous thing. you wish that there could be a nonpartisan investigation that could put forth information that could be accepted by people on both sides of the spectrum. unfortunately, i think the investigation we're going to get on the hill is going to be tied up in partisan politics. he's trying to fuel the information. i think that's a dangerous thing. >> and we're going to talk to the chairman of that select committee in a couple minutes. this is where you get into the dangerous part. the former president who wants a comeback in charge of the republican party, who still has a following, it's a big lie. he talked about that investigation we're about to have. listen. >> they're going to do this very partisan investigation because they couldn't get the sport to do a straight investigation.
a big part of that investigation is the reason that people went to pennsylvania and that's because of the fraudulent presidential election of 2020. those people want to talk about the reason they were there, because to me, that's the biggest crime of all. we had a corrupt election at a rigged election. we had a stolen election. that's why you had over 1 million people march to washington. >> we did not have a corrupt election. we did not have a rigged election. we did not have a stolen election. he's the former president of the united states continuing to undermine confidence in the most sakecred part of our democracy. >> you heard revisionist history, and that's dangerous because if you just want to believe that, this is a packaged opportunity for you to believe it. i think what we're seeing emerge is kind of a two-track way that both political parties are looking at the races to come. there's the midterm strategy. i think it's going to focus on the moderates, this battle over
what does woke mean and who is woke and is that good or bad? and then there's 20 24. at this point it's about the base. it is important to understand that there's only one other republican right now who'ven comes remotely close to president trump in terms of enthusiasm. ron desantis. and we don't know how real that is or how it can exist. as long as they're not seen as arch rivals, desantis can play the numbers close to donald trump. but if someone has to make a choice, we don't know what's going to happen. >> there should be a stack on this desk of papers, statements from republicans across the country saying stop it. stop lying. we run in these elections. we won in that election you say was stolen from you. there should be a stack like this. there's nothing. there are one or two republicans willing to stand up to him including when now he's trying to rewrite. he gave a speech. a lot of the speech was just typical trump. but this is what he says about it now. >> there was a big rally called,
and actually, when i say big, who knew? but there was a rally called, and a tremendous number of people. the largest one i've ever spoken before is called by people, by patriots. and they asked me if i'd speak, and i did, and it was a very mild mannered speech. >> that quote, unquote, very mild mannered speech included this. >> we fight. we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> it is striking, because he know prs it's all on tape. but he doesn't care. >> yeah. and look, this is also the challenge that faces republican leaders right now. you're right, they're not calling him out. they cited some questions. even e e even mitch mcconnell who said donald trump was morally responsible. he's refused to repeat anything about donald trump -- won't say his name. in the house side, what does
mccarthy do in deciding which members to appoint on his side of the aisle to serve on the select committee? do they perpetuate or try to create whitewash of history? those are big questions the leadership has to face given everything that donald trump is saying and the fact they don't want to call him out. >> and when you talk about the republicans who could stand up to this, mike pence comes to mind, the former vice president. when he's out there, the former vice president who is a loyalist to trump who was originally on the ticket, in order to try and shore up that conservative base that former president trump clearly no longer needs mike pence for, he's getting booed at events. they're shouting him down. you have republicans like adam kinzinger who it is unclear what his political future will be as a result of this. so you talk about the next election. it really will crystallize what direction also the republican party is going and who they're listening to. >> one of the questions heading into the election is will we have the report of the new select committee? let's bring in the chairman of
the house homeland security committee. bennie thompson. mr. chairman, grateful for your time today. when you listen as you did right there to the former president over the weekend doubling down, tripling down, i don't know what to call it, on the big lie in the context of your investigation, do you feel any burden to look back to bring people in to document, again, unfortunately, that the election was fire? trump had every chance to challenge it. he lost in court. do you feel that because of what he's saying and is going to continue to say that you need that as part of the record, or will you start with the morning of january 6th and go forward? >> well, you know, thank you for having me, by the way. the charge to our select committee is to look at the facts and circumstances surrounding january 6th. to some degree we'll look at information sharing, intelligence sharing. we'll look at the collective
data that we've been able to pull together. and go from there. part of what you are hearing now is the misinformation. so much of that misinformation started before january 6th and it continues up until this day. but our committee is committed to following the facts. we will not follow the misinformation other than to note that these things are being said, and get it right. and then come back with a product that we can share with the members of congress to prevent this situation like january 6th from ever happening again. >> do you see, mr. chairman, any value in reaching out to the former president for information about his mind set and what he did that day knowing that the responses are likely going to be along the fantasy world? we just listened to right there. do you see an interest in trying either in person or even if it was done in private, or through written questions?
trying to get answers from mr. trump or do you view that as a useless enterprise? >> well, i think it's useful for the committee to follow the facts. if part of the misinformation chain leads to the white house, we'll have to go there. if the misinformation chain leads us to other places, we'll have to go there, too. but i think it's important that we hire the best professionals. we get access to all of the video and tape that's available to look at it without interfering with the prosecutions that are ongoing. we plan to meet in the not too distant future with the attorney general to set the guide posts for the committee and its work. again, we understand the prosecution's. our charge is to look at the facts and circumstances around january 6th. but we think the justice
department has a plethora of information that could be useful for our committee. >> inside the building you work in, works kevin mccarthy, the house republican leader who has yet to name. you're waiting for the names of the republicans who joined the committee. he spoke to the president of the united states that day. according to several people around him, the president was essentially saying too bad, kevin, and cheering on what was happening in the capitol. listen to how the former president was asked about this by a fox sunday host. listen to how he described it. >> on that day, january 6th, you did speak with kevin mccarthy. let me point out that nancy pelosi is going forth with a commission to investigate all of this. it may very well be that kevin mccarthy is called to testify under oath. do you want to tell us what took place on that phone call? >> no, i don't have to. because kevin will speak, and i'm sure kevin will be very good from that standpoint. >> there is often institutional
friendliness. institutional passes, if you will, when it comes to colleagues. will you demand that leader mccarthy testify under oath before this committee? >> let me say that no person is above subpoena. we will do whatever is required, and i don't want to get into specifics, but i can tell you that from our two meetings of the committees so far, there's been no reluctance to go where the facts lead us. so if they lead us to the executive branch, we'll go. if they lead us to the leaderships, republican or democratic party, we'll go wherever the facts lead us. so without trying to narrow our focus, i'd say that what we will do will be as broad an opportunity for us to get in all the facts and circumstances around january 6th.
no one on this committee, of the eight people so far has said well, we shouldn't do x, y, or z. everybody is committed to finding out the causes and circumstances around january 6th, and to make sure that it never, ever happens again. and the notion that somehow what people have been seeing on their televisions for the last six months is something that didn't occur or it was tantamount to a tour of the capitol is just patently untrue and part of the misinformation that if you repeat it long enough, somehow people will begin to believe it even though they see otherwise with their own eyes. >> mr. chairman, appreciate your time today. i hope you'll come back and revisit out us as we go through the process. thank you, sir.
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the latest on the coronavirus pandemic now including a meeting later today on the best science to fight the delta covid variant. pfizer is said to brief government officials on data the company says would be best to give the vaccine resip yebts a booster thought. for now some experts are disagreeing. ? right now given the data, they don't feel we need to tell
people you need to be boosted. >> if we don't get started now, we're not going to be in a position to have boosters available in the fall. i think we've probably missed the window for boosters for the delta variant. >> this is happening as the variant arises across the country. more than 99% of covid deaths in june were among those not vaccinated. with us to share the expertise is the professor of preventive university at the vanderbilt university. dr. gottlieb making the case to listen is on the board of pfizer. where do you stand on the question. do you think given the nastiness of the covid variant, that they should listen to pfizer as opposed to saying we don't think it's necessary right now? >> john, i think there's a big difference between authorization
and administration. it would be wonderful to have a booster authorized by the food and drug administration on the shelf, ready to go if we need it. i'm in agreement with the cdc and the fda. you know, there are two reasons to get a booster. the first is if our protection is waning. and it's not. as you just said, it's not vaccinated people who are being hospitalized today. it's unvaccinated people. the vaccines are holding fast. the other reason is if the vaccine doesn't work against the variants that are out there, but, of course, it is. it's working against the variants including the delta. so at the moment, things are going well. but if we need the booster, it would be wonderful to have one on the shelf ready to go. >> i want to show the viewers a map of the united states. there are 14 states where fewer than 40% of the population is
vaccinated. 14 states have less than 40 % of their population fully vaccinated. i want to listen here. not only dr. anthony fauci but one of the republican governors trying to get more of the citizens vaccinated talking about the risks. >> 99.5% of all the deaths are among unvaccinated people. and what we need to do is to get those trusted messages which we're trying to do to get out into the community and explain to people. you know, in a nonfinger pointing way, why it's important to get vaccinated. >> republicans, democrats, we all suffer the same consequence if the delta variant gets us and we're not vaccinated. >> have you had any luck, sir? have you found any magic potion? what works? what breaks through to somebody who for whatever reason doesn't want to get a vaccine? >> well, there are a variety of different reasons and we have to do this now person by person to find out what everybody's reason is. i live in tennessee, and
undervaccinated community, for sure. and i anticipate that going forward through the summer and into the fall we're going to have more people come into our hospital that we need to care for because they haven't been vaccinated. i would like to talk to everybody out there one on one. please, get vaccinated. the vaccines work and they're safe. >> doctor, grateful for you insights. we'll continue the conversation. tennessee one of the states where the numbers are going up. let's hope it changes as we get closer to return to school and all that. doctor, thank you so much and politics sadly, is a constant in this covid fight and yes, this past weekend brings us a fresh example. south dakota's potential 2024 contender is attacking others who allowed restrictions designed to slow or stop the covid spread. >> we've got republican governors across this country pretending they didn't shut down
their states. that they didn't close their beaches or mandate masks. that they didn't issue shelter in places. i'm not picking fight with republican governors. all i'm saying is we need leaders with grit. >> she is picking fights with other republican governors. or at least she's trying to say that they're somehow soft. >> yeah. or, i mean, nothing to do with grit. it's science. so you -- it's not like you can stare down a virus. we know from -- we know statistically that the unvaccinated population of the united states is disproportionately white, and way disproportionately republican. this is about political messaging, and now we're seeing as we move into the summer and delta variant, we're seeing disproportionate impacts in red states where in the population of people who could be vaccinated or are healthy enough to take the vaccine, and don't want to be vaccinated. >> i never thought risk your life, vote for me would be a plausible political message, but
just to put up the south dakota stats, it's 46% of the population is fully vaccinated. that's just below the national average. if you look back at the history of this, it's had over 14,000 cases per 100,000 people. that's the third highest case rate in the country by population. 40 0,000 people, that's tenth highest among the 50 states in terms of death. and yet, the governor says her way is the right way. >> absolutely. you have some republican governors in other states trying to be responsible and trying to encourage people to get the vaccine. they are also caught up in this, too. it's just fascinating that the republican message on this is essentially we were right to let this virus flourish across the country. i think that we're in a place this summer where you have these more isolated outbreaks. but as we get into the fall, as we get into the winter, it's a huge open question about what the state of the virus is going to look like in this country if you have this unvaccinated number looking as large as it is.
people don't stay contained in their state borders. they travel. i think there's a lot of uncertainty about where this is going to head. >> some of them traveled to what used to be called the conservative political action conference. i'm going to call it the conspiracy political action conference. i could go worse. governor noem is not alone. listen. >> they were hoping they could sucker 90% of the population into getting vaccinated, and it isn't happening. right? younger people -- >> it's horrifying. i mean, they're cheering about someone saying that it's a good thing for people not to try and save their lives. >> it is. dr. fauci is now viewed as evil by these people because he tries. the government is hoping they can sort of sucker the population into getting vaccinated. you mean the government was recommending and sped up during
the trump administration, a production of a vaccine that saves people's lives. >> yeah. look, it's becoming a cultural war on the right. you mentioned dr. fauci too. i mean, he is not the perfect messenger for the right. he has become a boogie man for the right for pushing what they view, some of the folks on the right as overly restrictive efforts to combat the virus based on scientific evidence. so it is reality now among that faction on the right, on the republican side, that in the house republican conference side, more sizable than the senate side, but there are still senate republicans to align with the maybe not anti-vaxers but push back against the notion that the government should be promoting vaccines. ron johnson questioned it as well. you're seeing that gain foothold. >> there's no page turning. the history of trump during this pandemic is sad. reprehensible. reprehensible. there's no page turning from
governor noem. there's no turning of the page which you would think they would turn the page and burn the book. >> going back to the 2024 argument for a minute, i've heard from hard right conservatives that hard core conservatives, that they like ch neom, they see her has someone who would be the potential gop nominee. you heard her trying to carve out the lane, distinguishing herself from other republican governors who are also potentially thinking about running for president. she's competing for a specific segment of the republican primary base here as she gears up for 2024. to your point and what we were talking about earlier, if you assume even that if donald trump wins, mike pence wouldn't be his running mate, then neom is also trying to tee herself up for that position as well. >> interesting weeks, months, couple years ahead for the republican party. up next the policy of crime. the white house urges local
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city police kapt whon won the city's mayor primary with a promise to make the city closer. a new white house memo urging state and local governments to use leftover covid-19 relief funds to boost police department the. it's a policy shift aimed at rising crime stats and voters. the adams campaign he rejected calls from liberal candidates to reduce police spending. >> we can't be so idealistic that we're not realistic. we're not going to allow miamis to take high income earners. you speak with them, the taxes are not the problem. public safety is. if we don't have a safe subway system, no one is going to fill the office buildings. >> the passenel is back with me. it's not just candidates like mr. adams.
it's the facts. the statistics in new york city. at least 125 people were killed as a result of more than 360 shootings nationally over the weekend according to the latest data compiled by the gun violence archive. it's a 72-hour period from friday to monday. 125 people killed. 360 shootings over the weekend. the president has a meeting today. it's an urgent challenge for him as the leader of the country. this is kind of a -- he's trying to shake the party. >> and when we look at the last election and the message of republicans, crime, law and order, that was a message we saw former president trump try to mobilize people who live in the suburbs on that election. and republicans made clear they plan to continue to campaign on that. certainly something that president biden recognizes as a real challenge but also a political challenge that he's facing here. but when we talk about mr. adams and whether or not he's duplicating that electorate or
not. it's important to point out that the demographics of new york city are not exactly the same as a michigan or some of the other areas with suburbs where president biden was successful last time, but the race could be won or lost on in 20 24. >> i go back to my first presidential campaign. michael cue caulk us won. in the american suburbs if you go back to biden, look at 2020 versus 2016. biden is president and pelosi is speaker because of the growth in the suburbs under donald trump. the abc news washington post poll last week approve of the president's handling of crime, 38 %. disapprove 48%. if you're president and the democratic party going into a midterm election, usually about the president's approval rating and what people think of the president, that is a flashing red light. >> those are some pretty worry somenumbers. there are a lot of layers to the
problem. democrats will acknowledge defund the police message hurt them in the suburbs in last year's elections. the problem with the crime rates is they're not rising in places that defunded the police. new york city has really strict gun laws and yet, they are having this outbreak of gun violence. there's a disconnect that's happening between some of the policies that are in place, the rhetoric around the policies and the actions we're seeing on the ground. that's the puzzle that they have to figure out, because until the crime rate comes down, the actual crime rate, not just the messaging solutions, he's going to run into that problem. >> i think you dispute, have a variety of discussions about why is the crime rate higher? is it because of declining police funding? i don't know. pretty soon to say that. maybe it's because there was a pandemic and a bunch of people lost their jobs and got scared and drove each other scared living in small apartments together. okay. it doesn't matter if there's a high crime rate. people are living in areas where they feel unsafe.
people are worried about the safety of their children and families. the party in charge is where the buck stops and so the democratic party and particularly president biden understands that. but this comes at a time when all the debates around the last year, the george floyd, black lives matter debate is still real also in the democratic party. there's an absolute riff between people who say getting ahold of crime in law enforcement is a basic function of government and people who say okay, but the system is unfair, and people of color, their lives are in danger from the very people who are supposed to be protecting them. that debate doesn't go away. >> and to julie's point, the defund the police affected democrats in house races and there's concern about that from the democratic side happening as they try to keep control of the narrow majority. look we're in congress, trying to get a major policing overhaul deal. they need to get a deal with republicans to do that.
they're having a hard time getting to that final place where they can get something through. among the small group of negotiators, much less selling it to the broader constituencies in the house and senate. in one part because of the rising crime rates and concerns among republicans about doing anything looked at as going after the police, potentially taking way a key election year message for the republicans. all this is happening. would impact a key legislative priority of both parties. particularly this white house police reform at this point because of what we're seeing in the cities. >> the white house saying take that covid money, use it to boost -- tells me everything i need to know. >> and here's a memo. let me give it to you before adams shows up with a headline that says how you can use joe biden's money. >> they understand the powerful politics. sometimes we forget it's a serious policy challenge, but they get the politics of it as well. up next, shifting pages. see the pictures right there.
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thousands taking to the streets sunday across cuba protesting the lack of freedom and worsening economic conditions. cuba's president is defending his government today and blaming the united states for this unrest. while president biden upped the ante with this statement, we stand with the cuban people and their call for freedom. and relief from the tragic rip of the pandemic and from decades of repression and economic suffering. let's get perspective from a staff writer at the new yorker and our cnn global affairs analyst. the pictures are stunning. it's a challenge for the president now right here in our backyard. what can the biden administration, what should the biden administration do at this moment beyond the statement of support? >> well, you're right. it's a classic example of just when you least expect it, this is not at the top of the biden agenda. in fact, actually, on the campaign trail biden pledged to reverse trump's reversal of the obama policy, and possibly
reopen up relations with cuba. he didn't do that. and maybe he's glad now in the sense that these protests really seem to have spread almost from nowhere. there are limited tools. there are tools but we've had sanctions for years, pressure campaigns on due baa for years. right now, there's a humanitarian crisis that involves both economic crisis and also the covid factor which i think is playing into these protests there. there's been blackouts on the island. so you know, the u.s. plays an outsized role whether it likes it or not in the fate of cuba. it's never been able to force regime change for decades. >> that's my question at the moment. how much do we know about the situation within? the foreign minister in cuba issued a statement. i'll read parts to make a point. there's no political or moral authority to speak with cuba. the government allocated money to promote subversion. it's a castro--esque statement. the castros are gone. i guess that's my question.
does the government have enough control? you castros with the personality, the infrastructure of the communist party. do we have a good sense of now that the castros are gone, can the government withstand these kind of things? >> look, i think that's the big question. when you see the repeatty and speed with which no one took hold. it reminds of the early arab spring moments coming almost from nowhere organized on social media platforms like facebook, on apps like telegram. is it sustainable? will it last? the cuban government has been engaged in a crackdown in recent months. that seems to have played into this as well. and you have an enormous political pressure on the biden administration from marco rubio, the republican of florida. and that's always a domestic political crisis as well as an international one when it's something involving cuba.
>> it's a great point. the history would be there would be an additional crackdown. if you follow the history of cuba and authoritarian regimes. that's what jake sullivan was getting at. the united states supports freedom of expression. strongly condemn targeting peaceful protesters. another saying the same thing. the question for the biden administration is if that crackdown happens, do you just say things about it or is there anything else you can do about it? >> i'm sure republicans are going to pressure very hard on this. they accused biden of campaigning essentially to be cozying back up to the cuban socialist communist government. i think like i said, they must be relieved in a way that they never got around to fulfilling that campaign promise. but the levers of power, whether it's the trump administration or previous democratic administrations, they have not proved successful, frankly. >> that's an excellent point.
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america's largest airlines speaking out about the federal mask man kate for plans. it's set to expire come september. let's check in with cnn's pete. >> reporter: masks are still required on all forms of transportation. planes, trains, buses, boats, terminals. united airlines ceo says he hopes the federal transportation mask mandate will expire when it's set to go away on september 13th. it is the biggest difference in travel right now. but it is clearly not holding people back. 2,198,000 people passed through airport security checkpoints according to the tsa on sunday. that's fbiggest number since february of 2020. even bigger than the big numbers over the july 4th weekend. here is what the ceo said. >> my guess is that the current government order expires on september 13th. and fingers crossed, my guess is it will expire on
september 13th, but we'll wait and see for sure. >> so masks remain. the things that are still missing are business travel and international travel. kirby says he thinks business travel will begin to recover sometime later this summer starting in september. he thinks that european travel will start to recover next summer. he anticipates next summer will be the biggest summer ever for european travel. >> interesting perspective. we'll see if the delta variant messes with that optimism. pete, grateful for the reporting. zblr the head of the social security administration is on the job today. that's a problem. he was fired on friday. ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪
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topping our political radar, a white house officials tell cnn the biden administration taking steps to off board the fired st. commissioner. he was a holdover fired on friday after he refused to resign. an administration person saying this should cut him off from access to the agency's system. new data showing politics and religion mixed in a big year in 2020. in the two months leading up to election day, 67% of congress regagss heard at least one sermon regarding politics. this quick programming note, the con flick in jerusalem sees back
centuries. a series takes you back 3,000 years through epic battles through the most coveted city in the world. jerusalem airs here on cnn. don't go anywhere. a busy day. coverage is picked up right now. have a good day. hello. i'm ana cabrera. thank you for being with us. months of progress in the pandemic. coronavirus cases are now climb as the delta variant surges among unvaccinated americans. 36 states seen in the red and orange are seeing cases jump. 36 states. if that doesn't worry you, this might. more than 99% of covid deaths in june were among unvaccinated people. so why isn't the push to get shots in arm