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thank you for watching and giving us the opportunity. i wish you a good weekend but first, "don lemon tonight "with the upgrade of laura coats tonight. >> depending how you gauge it. >> you should be naturally under scored. >> you know what? that's what we'll name this outfit today. this is called the under score. i love it. i love it so much. happy weekend ahead to you. great show, as always. nice to see you. >> be well. >> this is "don lemon tonight."
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i'm la i'm laura coats in for don. still pushing the big lie in case you're wondering if that is front and center, look what got the biggest cheer at cpac tonight. >> donald trump won! [ cheers ] >> more of that in a minute and they're still pushing the assault on the most sacred rights as americans, the right to vote with the endless election frauded in maricopa county and another in pennsylvania trying to pass restrictive voting laws in texas after states have passed nearly 30 laws to cut back on ballot access, all in support of the big lie of bogus voter fraud. the party of lincoln.
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lincoln would be mortified and then there is the gop fear mongering over critical race theory. arizona's governor signing bills he claims will keep critical race theory out of arizona's government and public schools even though the truth is it's academic theory. cpac betting outrage. here is ronny jackson railing against this. >> this is just another government over reach that sits in the narrative that democrats do everything else with the socialist mark communist way they want to control their lives. >> you remember him. he used to be the white house doctor to president obama and president trump and then there is the gop's seeming inability to stop talking about nazis after the qanon congresswoman marjorie taylor greene compared covid vaccination out reach to
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not s not see -- nazi wearing brown shirts calling door to door vaccinators quote needle nazis. end quote. what else do you expect from a party's leader told his chief of staff quote well hitler did a lot of good things. that's according to a new book. a trump spokesperson denies he said that as the former president was picking a fight with bender today. not over the reported hitler quote, he is just all riled up about the idea he had a fight with mike pence over corey lewandowski. a lot to discuss with cnn's senior commentator. nice to see you both on this friday night. let me start with you, ron.
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you heard a woman yell out trump won at cpac while don junior was still speaking and she basically got the biggest cheer of the night. doesn't take much to see which direction this party is going and who is driving it, right? >> that's the clear message since november 6th is the extremist foreces in the party are too big for the party leadership to confront. three quarters of republican voters say they believe trump won the election and the american way of life is disappearing so fast we may have to use force to save it. three fifths of republicans in the house voted to overturn the election. the authors of the great book did a zoom briefing today in which they noted if you look at the behavior of the republican party over the last few years but especially since the november election, it now fits the definition of an anti small
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democratic party of the kind that you see in hungary of venezuela so the question to me remains what does the roughly one fifth to one quarter to 30% of the republicans who are uneasy about all of this, what do they do going forward? do they continue to give their votes to party leaders who are enabling this kind of extremism? >> scott, that's your party. what do you say? >> well, i mean, that's a good question. there of usualyouls obviously ws donald trump took the party in as a lot of them voted for joe biden. look at the voters. these suburban republican leaders went to biden and democrats in the 2018 midterm and we found out that it's r really hard for the republican party to win if you don't have all your people if you lose a faction there and faction there,
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you're losing another national election. for 2024 this is a huge question about whether trump is going to be the nominee or not in the 202 midterm it's less impactful because you're running individual districts but more impactful in the senate race but our ability to win back the white house hinges on our ability to recover the sauburba leaders that went to biden and keep together the rural collision that trump had and frankly try to retain minority voters that he brought to the party over his 16 share. >> let me stay there for a second with you, scott. republican candidates speaking of the idea of midterms and comcome coming ahead are increasingly focussing campaigns on the election was stolen. listen to mo brooks at cpac. >> because socialists want to cancel america.
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we have to fight back. they are attacking the pri principles to give us who we are. they attack our republic by engaging unparalleled voter fraud and election theft activities. >> there is no wide spread voter fraud so why is stuff like this being pushed at cpac? is this in lieu of a platform? is this the new platform, scott? >> well, it is certainly part of it. republicans have always cared more i think about election integrity. it became a bigger talking point of course after january 6th and after the election and after what donald trump did, but republicans have been the party of voter identification and more security around elections ramped up now. i think you're going to see that issue in these republican primaries. i think you're going to see school issues. i think you're going to see a lot of issues that frankly are new to the landscape certainly new to the priority in the
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landscape. mo brooks is a good example. he's in a primary. his opponent just pulled in a huge amount of money and so he's obviously going to try to paint her as an anti trump figure and try to run as the trump figure down there. i think especially where you see these candidates that have big primaries and facing well funded challengers, you're going to see them go all in on these issues that are pretty motivating for the republican base right now. >> ron, what's your reaction to that? >> look what is happening in the states. this is not election integrity but demographic anxiety. the states moving most aggressively to limit opportunities for younger and voters of color are those experiencing the most profound demographic change like georgia and arizona and texas and dpla flo florida where the republican party has the upper hand because of dominance of non-college and non-urban rights but can see the writing on the wall the majority
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of people turning 18 every year are kids of color. in the polling that's been done, there is a clear correlation the republican voters that expressed most anti democratic sentiments are the same ones that ex press the most anxiety about the nation's growing diversity and immigration and religious plural and all the things remaking america. this is a much more profound moment than the usual kind of competition between the parties because you're not just talking about which side controls tax rates or the level of epa regulation, you're now dealing with a party whose dominant faction is undermining democracy if that's what it takes to take a white collision in power and the republicans who are going along for that ride who may be uneasy about these changes but nonetheless are still, you know, happy if they can get the majority and confirm judges or cut taxes, they are the ones
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that face the profound choice for that matter so did joe mansion and kirsten cinema who at this point say they have to spref preserve voting rights if republicans go along. i've been covering politics since the early 1980s. there has been nothing of this pressure and over hang of our elections. >> scott, to that point -- >> let me say one thing. >> yeah. >> sorry, i wanted to say one thing about this. look, there is a couple of issues out there that i think fly in the face of ron's argument, which i understand he's got polling and other polling, too, that other actual election data that rebuts it. number one, donald trump who is said to be anti immigrant and minority and people paint the party did better among african-american males and hispanics than any candidate in recent history and number two, on this election reform stuff, poll after poll after poll shows african-american voters say they're perfectly fine with the idea of voter i.d. in election
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security. so i understand the talking points and understand the arguments but there is actual data both election data and polling data that refutes it. as a republican analyst and somebody that votes republican, i don't believe i'm in a party trying to do anything other than to have secure elections and who wants to compete for the votes of everyone no matter what color they are or where they live. i totally disagree with ron's assessment -- >> scott -- >> this party wants to be a whites only party. >> fellas, this will be a conversation on going and i suspect it can't end here. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. now, i want to talk about the gop assault on voting rights with congressman colin al red a texas democrat. congressman allred, thank you for being here and grad to see you. >> thanks for having me on. >> we're seeing what is going on
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in texas with republicans again trying to restrict voting and president biden is speaking out on voting rights next week in philadelphia. tell me, what are you looking to hear from the president? >> i want to hear that this is as high a priority as anything else because i think we all have to recognize that there is one party that is no longer playing by the same rules in terms of our democracy. texas is already the state in the country that is hardest to vote. every election we're in the bottom five with voter turnout. our issue isn't voter fraud. our issue is to allow people to vote and try to make it harder and going to make it harder and we have to have a federal response and that will have to be led by the president. nobody else can get this across the line. >> look what is going on in arizona. you talk about texas but they have that so-called audit going on and actually planning now another ballot count congressman. how is that even still happening especially when these efforts are all balsed on what we know s
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a big lie that the election was even stolen. >> yeah, i really want to say that i think the biggest divide in our politics and our nation right now isn't between democrats and republicans. it between americans that believe in our democracy and those who don't. the fact that we are sitting here in july in the year after an election, talking about still on going quote unquote audits of the election, people saying they will have the former president reinstated, that the last election was stolen and trying to make sure they can make sure that doesn't happen again in the next election, i mean, every single day this is happening we are losing a piece f of our democracy and we have to talk about it that way. this is no longer a political conversation. it's about the foundation of our country. i know with a lot of folks have a lot of thing gas going on in their lives but people have to pay attention. it the most important issue in our country.
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>> they say a republic if you can keep it is obviously going to be contin jenlt on people believing. governor abbott's agenda includes banning critical race theory and transgender athletes competing and combatting censorship on social media. what is the goal on focussing things like this? grievance politics? >> well, i think the goal is they're dealing with having an internal conversation in the republican party that is completely lost sight of reality. what i think texans want is to have an electrical grid that doesn't shut down for a week when we have a pretty mild winter storm and threw us back into the dark ages that had texans cutting up fence posts to stay warm and dying of carbon monoxide poisoning because they're trying to run generators in their homes. they want us to fix the grid. a few weeks ago we're told to
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turn up the therm sostats becau we might have a rolling brownout on a not too hot day in texas. that's what we should be focused on. instead, they are focused on cultural issues and it doesn't make sense. >> yet, the idea if that's the priority of the people of texas, this is a far cry away from what their prioritizing then at the governor's level. you know, you also sit on the foreign affairs committee and i want to ask about president biden delivering a new warning to vladimir putin telling him to take action against hackers and listen to what he told reporters. >> does it make sense for the u.s. to take it up a notch and attack the actual servers this are used? >> yes. >> i mean, it doesn't get more direct than that. how do you see this playing out, congressman? >> i think president biden is clear with putin and the russians that we have
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capabilities that we have not yet deployed and that if they continue down this road that we're going to be forced to respond and so i think the president was right to not only warn them but warn them specifically about how we could respond and i think we're going to have to do something because this is not only the state sponsored hacking we've seen in the past. this is now these dark groups that are affiliated with the state to give them some kind of, you know, eloqement of separati from them but they're causing enormous damage to our system and economy and we can't allow that to happen. >> congressman allred, thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you so much, laura. the divide on vaccines is getting worse and a whole lot of it comes down to where you get your information from. we'll show you what they're saying on right wing tv and talk radio and why it putting americans at risk.
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senate minority leader mitch mcelde mcconnell is perplexed as some people getting vaccinated. members of his party and some folks at fox news said about vac vaccines. here is brian stelter. >> power grabs and needle gabs is the focus. >> to see one reason why the red blue divide on vaccines is getting worse, turn up the volume. >> the focus of this administration on vaccination is mind booggling. >> the focus of right wing media is vaccine rejection and getting ridiculous. >> want to go door to door, the vaccine police. skip my house, pro. >> that's dan reacting to president biden. >> we need to go to community by community neighborhood and neighborhood and often times door to door knocking on doors to get help to the remaining people protected from the virus. >> and that simple idea,
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something that local governments have already been doing was made to sound sinister by the anti biden media. >> the biden administration is threatening to send political operatives to the homes of people who refuse to take an experimental covid vaccine. >> door to door, hey, joe, how about no. >> this is what happens when you get a government too big for its own good. >> this is how it works, how distrust of the government of big pharma and media gets whipped up into anti science rhetoric. >> they won't admit that because that would be telling the cnn watchers, "the new york times" readers who took the science seriously that they're not as smart as they think they are. >> but his sarcasm shows his hostility over right wing video. resisting the vaccine is practically a badge of honor to stick it to the blue states with candice owens bragging that quote, not one person in my
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family will ever touch the covid-19 vaccine. they claim to be defending their freedom repurposing liberal messaging about abortion rights. >> are you opening doors saying my body, my choice? >> people have a right to make a choice. >> the biden administration is no longer pro-choice. >> they plan to keep the fight up into the fall. >> students won't have to live in a medical apartheid because they don't want the vaccine. >> they are ignoring the public health reality of a pandemic. the more people vaccinated, the safer we are. >> we're not asking anybody to make any political statement one way or another. we're saying try and save your life. >> but in republican strongholds many adults are resisting and egged on but right wing media stars who claim to respect their audience but actually putting them at risk. >> that is ultimately why this is a problem. these radio stars, these tv stars are trusted individuals in republican communities but abusing that trust by pushing anti vaccination propaganda and
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it's something that ultimately affects every american. laura? >> brian, thank you so much. i want to bring in dr. nguyen former health commissioner. i'm glad you're here especially on a night when we're seeing all this information about where the confusion is coming from. the last thing we need is confusion around vaccination. you got these contradicting messages between the cdc and fda and pfizer over boosters adding to it and here is what dr. fauci said about it. >> we are on the same page. it was one of those facts of life is that they came out with the announcement without giving us a heads up and quite frankly, the ceo who is a really good guy got on the phone with me last night and apologized that they came out with that recommendation. so there was no -- not that apologize about the recommendation, apologize for not letting us know that he was going to do it ahead of time. >> so there is no mixed
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messaging but could this still turn people off from getting vaccinated, dr. nguyen, at a time when the delta variant is rapidly spreading. look at the map. >> well, i definitely agree that misinformation has been a problem all along. i don't mean this misinformation about the booster coast but in general that vaccine disinformation certainly dissuaded people from getting vaccinated and we need to be clear that getting vaccinated is the best way to protect against the delta variant. we know that 99.2% of people who are dying from coronavirus right now are unvaccinated. so that much is really clear. i think what happened with the confusion about the booster shot is actually one of process because pfizer is saying they want to submit for emergency use authorization to potentially have a third booster shot if and when needed. they have to sub34imit data and that hasn't happened yet. in a sense, they jumped the gun in doing this press release but
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the cdc and fda are saying look, there is a process here, with e need to evaluate the data and right now we don't want people to go out and think they need a third booster shot but we do want to say, if you have not been vaccinated yet, now is the time to do that. >> and also, dr. nguyen, there is a german come mittee on vaccinations and have a mix and match approach to vaccination. you can get a first dose of say the astrazeneca vaccine and an mnra vaccine as a second dose. is this mix and match approach good to do? should we be considering it in someway? >> so this is called a strategy that's something used for other vaccines. so this is not the first time we've used it and actually, think about all the vaccines that we normally get. we don't ask is the booster shot that i'm getting for the tetanus vaccine made by the same company that made the tetanus vaccine that i got ten years ago? and so this is something that's routinely used and actually
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there are good scientific reasons to think that having a vaccine that's different from the one that you initially got may actually boost your immune response because it may stimulate your immune system in a different way. for example, if boosters are needed or if and when boosters are needed, if you got the one dose johnson & johnson vaccine it may benefit you to get an mnra vaccine for the second and vice versa. that's something we're awaiting clinical trials the federal government are doing. >> also, dr. nguyen, the cdc is putting out new guidance for schools focussing on reopening classrooms and recommends you see here physical distancing three feet if not everyone is vaccinated. it says kids who are unvaccinated should wear masks indoors while vaccinated kids don't need to. is the right balance with the cdc the idea of indoor, outdoor mask mandates? >> in general, i think the cdc got it right this time. it a really difficult balance to
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strike but what they're saying is it's really essential for us to get our kids back in person in school in the fall. to do that, we have to employ layered milt tigation strategieo we have to look as layers. if you can't maintain distancing in schools, which many schools can't if they want to bring everybody back, you have to do indoor masking and improve ventilation and have to have weekly testing if you're unvaccinated. i think one of the problems with the cdc strategy they're saying if you're vaccinated, you can take off your mask but if we don't have proof of vaccination, it will be on individual teachers who will have no idea if the middle school or high school kid they're dealing with unmasked is actually vaccinated. there are logistical issues but the idea we need to bring every child back and make it safe through masking and other mitigation strategies is the right idea. >> incredibly important book. thank you, dr. nguyen.
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on january 6th at the capitol. the mob attacking officers. a warning these vid geos are disturbing and we're not bleeping them. it important to witness the horror of the insurrection . in this next video, an officer is threatened with his life. >> you're going to die tonight. >> just horrible. let's discuss with senior legal
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analyst elie the author of "hatchet man." i'm glad you're here. these videos are so disturbing to watch, but aside from their value and prosecuting these rye e -- ryeiorioters, it's importan see because there are so many people trying to rewrite the history and craft a very different narrative. >> exactly right, laura. those people did not look like tourists to me. i don't know about you. it's so important because yes, these cases are being prosecuted and need to be prosecuted but we also need to get the record straight here. there is such a dangerous strain of revision that is taken hold regarden january 6th where politicians, mostly people who are trump followers are trying to down play it into it was no big deal. every one of these videos is truth and fact and reminds us how dangerous that day was and how dangerous the threat continues to be. >> let's talk about the trump
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organization because as you know, kcnn is learning details what prosecutors are doing to try to flip the cfo of trump organization allen weisselberg and he has a lot to lose if he doesn't cooperate. so are the prosecutors in this case, are they playing the right kind of hardball with the right player? >> they are. this is exactly the person who i would be trying to flip if i was working this case. he is the only person who has inner circle access at the trump organization but is not related to donald trump. i mean, realistically his children are not going to flip on him. prosecutors have a lot of tools as their bearing to try to flip somebody. the problem here, though, is while they have a strong case against allen weisselberg, the state laws don't provide for extremely heavy sentences from the federal system so the signs so far weisselberg is not interested in cooperating but prosecutors have to keep applying pressure and dp preliflip him. that will be key to the case. >> you have a new book "hatchet
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man." you know, your book, you pull no punches. i've read it. you called bill barr a liar and he lied to us over and over again. what were his most egregious lies? >> i would start with the very beginning when he lied about the mueller investigation. i would finish and i do in the book with lies about the election lie. doing puff pieces in the media reminding us at the very end after the election, he turned and said there is no evidence of election fraud. the problem is for months leading up to the election, he fanned the flames and many times in between and laura you know as a former prosecutor yourself, the number one asset you have is your credibility. it was shocking for me to watch the top prosecutor in the entire country lie through his teeth to the public over and over. >> so what will bill barr be most remembered for? >> compromising the integrity of
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the justice department and for compromising the political independence of the justice department. when you are any prosecutor, you have enormous power but when you're the attorney general, you have almost unfathomable power and bill barr abused that power to coverup for trump in the mueller investigation and protect donald trump's cronies, michael flynn, and help spread whatever political marchnarrati was trying to spread at the moment up to and including the big lie. i don't want to let history take hold. he did unprecedented damage to the justice department and i think this book is my effort to set that record straight. >> what an effort it is. it's called "hatchet man how bill barr broke the prosecutor's code and corrupted the justice department." thank you. >> thanks, laura. four years after unite the
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it been almost four years since the deadly unite the right rally in charlottesville that injured 19 people and claimed the life of count protester heather heyer. the rioter that not only elicited this now infamous statement from a sitting president. >> you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. you had people in that group -- excuse me. excuse me. i saw the same pictures as you did. >> also, compelled a former vice president to successfully run for president. >> i ran for president because i believe we're in a battle for the soul of this nation, and the simple truth is, our soul be
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troubled as long as systemic racism is awill yllowed to pers >> it taken four years for robert e. lee and stone wall jackson to come down and started with a petition of a young high school student now a student at the university of virginia who was determined to tell quote a more complete and historically accurate narrative of our history. the city counsel voted in february of 2017 to remove the lee statute prompting white supremists and neo nazis to protest five months later carrying teaiki torches and claimed that city ordinance prevented their removal, the supreme court in virginia held that the ordinance did not apply and paved the way for the city counsel just last month to again vote to take them down. and tomorrow, that will happen. now, both sides say it was never just about the monument but what
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they represent. and it's fascinating to me how supporters of the confederate monuments justify their preservation as a way to tell a complete story of american history. they argue that the removal or destruction of the monuments erases them in the history books glossing over they are role or contribution to the republic and argue the confederacy should be context lized but we should more critically examine the influ we think so of race and democracy through the lens of state's rights. they argue giving the full picture is the only way to challenge main stream approaches to democracy and that history must always be taught in america. now, those same people will argue that critical race theory on the other hand, which also seeks to contextize the
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influence of race on u.s. law to the more expensive political lens on individual's rights while apparently, that's a proversion of american history that should never be taught in america. yeah. i'm scratching my head on that one, too. next, he got a contract with the tampa bay buccaneers, but the navy said he couldn't play. what happened next? he tells us after this.
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. a couple of weeks ago, a young man named cameron was on
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with don. he's been signed with the tampa bay buccaneers, so he asked the navy for a waiver, to delay his service if he could play in the nfl. his request was denied. here's what he told don about it. >> you had two dreams. to be in the navy and to play football. you got a chance to be on a pro team, but the navy says no to a waiver. how are you feeling about that? >> hey, thank you for having me tonight. it's definitely been tough the past couple weeks. dealing with the decision and being so close to accomplishing one of your childhood dreams and having it taken away from you, you know, and i thought i was going to have the chance to do both. playing and being an ambassador in the navy. it's been tough dealing with my emotions the past few weeks. >> tonight there's a great new twist and cameron's here to tell us all about it.
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i'm glad to he sao ee you. earlier this week you got a call from defense secretary lloyd austin. what happened in that conversation? >> hey, thank you for having me tonight. i'm excited to be back home. around tuesday 4:00 p.m., i got a call and he informed me that he's reversed the decision and he's going to allow me to play in the nfl and to fulfill both of my dreams. i'm definitely appreciative of him and excited for the opportunity. >> what'd you say? >> yeah, so he called me, and he told me, you know, he's been talking with his team and everybody around him to try to figure out a solution and he feels that this is the right decision, and i just expressed how thankful i am to him for giving me this opportunity and trusting me with this opportunity, and i'm going to make the most of it to make sure i'm representing our fine military on that level.
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>> congratulations to you sincerely, and you even asked vice president kamala harris to help you get permission to play. do you think she and president biden also played a role in getting you the go ahead? >> it's funny, i got a call from general milley, and he informed me that he did have a conversation with president biden regarding this issue, and president biden asked for his advice and what he thought, and he stood behind it 100%, and he thinks that everybody from the academy should have this opportunity. so that was kind of crazy hearing about that conversation. and i'm definitely thankful that the administration was able to step in and help out. >> that's really amazing, cameron. you actually told don part of why you want to play in the nfl is to represent the navy. how do you feel about that? >> most definitely, i'm looking forward to serving in the navy and representing at the next
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level. i'm already about to get into contact with a center down there for the navy and help them recruit and go speak at different events, so this is about spreading the opportunities that the military has and how the military has helped me get to where i am today so many other can see the opportunities and go after them and chase them and their dreams as well. >> you're dealing with the tampa bay buccaneers, how about your teammates, any of them said anything to you yet? >> i talked to some of the rookies i came in with, and they just said congrats, man, excited to go down there and compete. >> how about the man who's not the rookie, tom brady, what's he said? >> i haven't met tom brady yet, i'm looking forward to meeting him. i have a lot of respect for him >> training camp starts what, july 24th, and going in, you say you have a chip on your shoulder. why's that? >> i would say just because
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never know when the game can get taken away from you. after all the circumstances i've been through i feel like i have a lot more to play for now, just never knowing when the game can be taken from you, so i'm going to give 100% every day, put my first foot forward to try to make the 53-man roster and contribute to the organization. >> you already are, thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. and thank you for watching, our coverage continues
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oroweat small slice. i wonder if this has the same quality ingredients as the original whole grains bread? great question, dad. and it does. it has all the same nutritious deliciousness as the original slice but only a little bit smaller. just like timmy here. my name's lucas. . good evening. the last thing a country in the middle of another rise of coronavirus cases and battling vaccine disinformation needs is conflicting messages from the government about the efficacy of
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