tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN July 9, 2021 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
"the history of the sitcom" premieres sunday at 9:00 eastern and pacific only on cnn. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. last thing a country in the middle of another rise in coronavirus cases and battling vaccine disinformation is conflicting messages from the government about the efficacy of the vaccine past the six-month period. that's what occurred in the past 24 hours. ending with an apology, sort of, from the company that started it. dr. fauci tried to put a pin in it by say, listen to us, the federal health agencies, not a vaccinemaker. it remains to be seen if the daniel ha damage has been done. this began with a statement from pfizer that got people's attention. i'm quoting, vaccine efficacy in preventing both infection and s symptomatic disease has declined
six months post vaccination. pfizer believes a third dose may be beneficial to maintain highest levels of protection. they didn't really offer any new studies or data. this was based on a report leaked out of israel. only a caveat and an important one that efficacy against severe illness and hospitalization remained high. hours after pfizer's statement, the cdc and fda came out with a statement essentially shooting down that assessment. a message echoed by the white house today. >> the cdc and fda put out a pretty clear statement last night after the announcement by pfizer, making clear that americans who have been fully vaccinated do not need a booster shot at this time. >> she's saying at this time. a statement from the cdc and fda went a step further, taking a gentle swipe at pfizer for, well -- here is what they said. this process takes into account laboratory data, clinical trial
data and cohort data which can include data from specific pharmaceutical companies but does not rely on those data exclusively. another development in this saga today, this is what dr. fauci told cnn today about a phone call he received from the head of pfizer. >> the ceo, who is a really good guy, got on the phone with me last night and apologized that they came out with that recommendation. so there is no -- not that apologize about the recommendation, apologized for not letting us know that he was going do it ahead of time. >> an apology for the surprise of it, not the substance of the actual statement. there is, obviously, continued confusion. after the cdc and fda were saying that boosters weren't necessary right now, the cdc director today said anyone, even if they have been vaccinated, should get tested if they have exhibited upper respiratory symptoms. in layman's terms, congestion, runny nose, sore throat or cough, which is a stark
prescription for a country supposedly rounding the corner. the cdc updated its guidance for schools. they should remain open. they can mitigate the spread of the virus. all of this information, some contradictory, is coming at a critical time, according to medical professionals who insist we're not out of the woods yet. cases are rises again in a number of places across the country. a number of states, in fact. the red areas represent states where surge is the greatest. much of that rise in the central and southeastern u.s. if we look past state lines, we see the largest clusters look like. new data from georgetown university identifies five large clusters of people vulnerable to surges and could become breeding grounds for even more deadly variants. tonight, there's confusion, questions and concerns about all of this. we are pleased to have with us
an expert on all of the above, dr. peter hotez. he has been involved in vaccine development plus he is the author of "preventing the next pandemic." let's be clear about pfizer and what they actually said. from what i understand, this information that was leaked from israel was that people who had been vaccinated, i believe the report was in january and february were starting to have lower efficacy in some cases against the delta variant, i think in the 64% range. according to pfizer -- didn't the head of pfizer, a long time ago say that ultimately, people would probably need to get another shot six to ten months after their final shot? >> yeah. anderson, let me break it down like this. maybe it will clarify things. i've been saying most of this
year that eventually, we will likely need a third immunization of the pfizer and the moderna vaccine. a booster. the reason for that is it will really jack up virus neutralizing antibodies, provide more robust resilience against the variants to come. as good a job as we are doing in the u.s., where he doing a non-job in africa and south america and southeast asia. we are extremely vulnerable to lots of variant comesing in. a third immunization at some point maybe later in the fall or next year will likely be warranted in order to provide greater resilience to the variants. point one. point two is it looks like the two doses of the current vaccine are pretty robust against the delta variant. you cite that 64% number in israel. in terms of severe illness, it's well over 90%. by the way, in the uk and
scotland and canada, there are three studies showing over 08% protection. close to what we have seen. that's the reason why we don't need to be concerned right now about getting the booster. the protection against the delta variant is pretty robust. yes, we will need a third immunization but not now and not for the delta variant. it's unfortunate they did put out that press release. i've been saying also all year -- it's not only for pfizer, it's the others as well -- when a company sends out a press release, you have to remember it's not for you, for me, it's for the shareholders. it's to increase stock prices. this has been a chronic problem initially for operation warp speed and even now that there's been no control over the communications coming from the companies. yes, we will need a booster. nothing to worry about right now in terms of vaccination. >> i think the company argues that this is -- they erred on
the side of being more transparent. the white house was saying, you do not need a booster right now. i think what pfizer is say, we are going to develop the booster so there's one when it is needed. isn't that kind of what both sides are saying? >> you know, pfizer and moderna have both publically said that previously. whether it's going to be the same vaccine or fine-tuned to one of the other variants, that's a topic being discussed among the scientists. the point is, we don't need it urgently. i think the other piece to this is -- the other thing that's unprecedented is why giving a boost through an emergency use authorization. that's never happened before. why make the announcement? why not have this discussion with the fda in order to
understand what the needs are going to be? that was kind of strange. what we really need to do, anderson, is we need the full approval process for the pfizer biotech and moderna vaccine and johnson & johnson vaccine. this has been dragging on. it has become actually an obstacle and a talking point now for the far right that want to try to make the claims that these vaccines are experimental or not safe. i think that's the biggest priority. then we can work out the booster with the fda and cdc at a later time. >> let me ask you that. at what point do you think a booster would be needed? initially, the pfizer ceo said, i think it was six to ten months or eight to ten months possibly if people got vaccinated in april, which is when more people were able to get vaccinated, that would push a booster to sometime in the fall? >> yeah. the issue is we haven't really -- we have not really
seen strong evidence of declining immunity, in part because we don't have the best markers for it. even if you see a decline in virus neutralizing antibodies, that's to be expected. that's extremely important. we're not seeing a huge number of breakthrough infection cases and certainly not a huge number of breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths. the cdc just came out with data showing that 99 point something percent of the deaths are all in unvaccinated individuals sindiv. maryland came out with the same type of data. there's really no evidence of decline in immunity. obviously, i don't want to wait until things get too far before you boost. that's the kinds of things that we're all looking at. again, i think a third immunization should not be a surprise. a lot of preparation ahead of that. certainly not on the basis right now of what we are seeing with the delta variant.
>> i appreciate it. thanks. we mentioned vaccine disinformation at the top of the program. what you are about to hear is a prime example of that. it comes with an interview with madison cawthorn. he is hyping up a conspiracy theory for a push for a door to door campaign that does nothing more than spread sensible information about how vaccines are safe. listen to the congressman. >> now talking about going door to door, to be able to take vaccines to the people. the thing about the mechanisms they would have to build to execute that massive of a thing and think about the -- what those mechanisms could be used for. they could take your guns. they could take your bible. >> joined by andy slavitt. given your experience at white house leading the charge in the covid response, it's ludicrous and dangerous what he said.
how do you respond? >> yeah. i don't think the bible taking apparatus is quite built out of the white house yet. it's unfashionable to say you are anti-vaccine. if you are representing a lot of constituents that are anti-vaccine and you want to play to your base, the right strategy is to make these subtle jabs and to suggest that because the government is involved in it somehow, it is therefore fascism. i think that is the kind of marjorie taylor greene, you heard it here, you know you hear it constantly. what that does is it takes people in the path of the storm -- the delta storm and it makes them think that, i don't need to get vaccinated. i'm brave. i'm tough. the government is more of a threat to me. that's unfortunate. it crosses a number of lines we shouldn't cross. >> you recently went to twitter. i want to read a portion of it. it's lengthy, but i think it's very strong what you said. i want people to hear it.
you said, i deeply regret we live in a world where i have to respond to marjorie taylor greene. but she's comparing it to naziism. the latest chapter is not encouraging. no one is in danger of asking her to teach a history class or public health class, with the exception of texas. but she did learn one lesson well from the nazis, dangerous propaganda. the outrage is biden suggesting that biden go door to door. it's ministers and neighbors sharing their stories. biden was encouraging to talk to each other about getting vaccinated. if someone looking out for you and listening and talking to you about getting vaccinated is a blow to your liberty when a powerful variant is sweeping through your unvaccinated area, it's time to re-examine what liberty means. our liberty is earned. the burden of enjoying our
freedoms is to contribute to the ideals of a country we can be worthy of. you are not. end quote. did you think giving a response like that to a sitting congress person would be necessary? >> well, god love twitter, right? the truth is, no. i think if marjorie taylor greene doesn't want to get vaccinated, she doesn't have to get vaccinate. that's true for everybody. the biden administration is not turning the screws to everybody. they are encouraging people to go door to door is for the reason there isn't a mandate and there isn't a requirement that people do have free will and the president recognizes that. when she does this, what she's doing is creating this sort of straw person like benghazi or emails or fauciism or the expression to get people riled up over something that's actually the most i think common and decent of things, which is tell your own story, listen to
people you trust in your own neighborhood, if you have questions about getting vaccinated, talk to people you know. that's all the president is suggesting. >> it is this phony outrage machine and its propaganda. it keeps coming. how much is keeping us from fully overcoming the pandemic. the longer this drags out, the longer the variant mutate and pop up. the more people remain unvaccinated -- it goes on and on. >> right. we have about 30% of the population that's not vaccinated yet. i think about a third or about 10% are people that are -- have real considerations. they have real concerns. they want to see more information. they are nervous about it. they are taking it seriously. they are subject to misinformation and disinformation. another 20% are solidly in the, i will not consider it camp. that latter 20% is very decidedly white rural republican
and many of their concerns are ideological. it's unhelpful in states like missouri and arkansas where we have -- we anticipate significant challenges, for the leaders not to get out there. you look at west virginia and governor justice, who looked at the people in west virginia and said, if you are not vaccinated, you are part of the problem. that's the kind of leadership i think defies partisan politics. we need to see that. >> andy slavitt, i appreciate your time. thank you. that clip we showed you a moment ago from the republican congressman came as conservatives kick off a conference in dallas. we will tell you about the day -- about day one of cpac and why it demonstrates the former president still controls the agenda of the party. there's breaking news on the crisis in haiti. days after the prime minister -- excuse me, the president was assassinated, the country is asking for u.s. troops to help protect vital infrastructure. chaos overwhelms the country.
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we were talking about the fight against the delta variant. the need to battle vaccine disinformation. the conservative political action conference in dallas kicked off today, known as cpac. today and this weekend the topics will include the big lie, detecting threats to election integrity, how to collect evidence of fraud and, quote, spare the fraud, spoil the child, the future of american elections. culture wars also very popular. one discussion is about can cancel culture be canceled? of course, critical race theory is very popular. why is the left committed to critical race theory when so many parents disagree ? the former president will speak sunday. tonight, it was don junior who
said the tone for the conference. >> what was donald trump right about? everything! the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is about six months. >> trump won! >> trump. trump. trump. >> they are lying to you about everything. what else are they lying to you about? >> everything. >> his dad lost by more than 7 million votes. i'm joined by mia love of utah, cnn political commentator. what is the message other than clinging to the former president and his array of grievances and lies? is there -- you don't hear a lot of policy issues, a lot of
the -- the issues of the day actually being addressed by this party. do you? >> if you want republicans like me and the majority of republicans to really make sure that republicans actually gain the majority in the house and in the senate, they have to start talking about what they are for. i understand that cpac is going to try and do everything they can to raise as much money as possible. i understand that they have to throw as much red meat out there as possible. but at some point, parents are concerned about how they are putting food on the table, how are they going to fill their car with gas, what are they for? how are you going to get out of saying, hey, we were cheated, my gosh, and trump won? we want to get back to, how are we going to get the economy in place? what are we going to do to help americans? what are we for? how are you going to behave in a
majority? stop acting like you are in the minority party. >> it is -- it's not just red meat to the cpac audience. this is the republican party now. the base is driving -- is the driving force of the republican party, the big lie seems to be -- the most important message being pushed by -- by the former president, by his son, who is allegedly running the corporation. i'm not sure how that's going. >> how do you win an election with that? it doesn't make any sense. i'm trying to say -- >> right. is their argument that get people riled up enough and then you will have a huge turnout at the polls because people will think, well, the last one was stolen and this time we're going to prove them -- we're going to stop that? >> with who? are you bringing trump back to
do that? are you going to have somebody that actually talks about republican policies again? if they don't, they're going to lose. that's what i'm saying. you continue with the rhetoric of a couple of years ago, if you continue to look towards the past and not giving anything or anyone anything to hold on to for the future, republicans are going to lose. they need to start talking about the policies that they believe in. okay. you don't agree with the infrastructure plan. what are you going to put in place? >> i want to get your reaction to something that chip roy said. it's a recently leaked video. we played it last night. it's about what he believes the gop strategy right now is. let's play that. >> honestly right now for the next 18 months, our job is to do everything we can to slow that down to guess to december 2022 and get in here. i say, thank you lord, 18 more months of chaos and inability to get stuff done.
that's what we want. >> i get that politicians are partisan. i'm sure there's democrats in a republican administration that probably said the same thing. we just want to slow things down. we want to stop them from accomplishing stuff. it's obviously incredibly cynical. again, when you aren't proposing actual policies, and that is -- that's the only thing you are hoping for, that just seems particularly -- a pathetic strategy. >> that's why i keep saying, they really have to have something that they hold on to, something they can sell to the american people, something that says you put us in the majority, this is what's going to happen. not, we are going to slow things down, we're not going do anything. that's the difference between being in the minority, showing you can't govern, and being in the majority, saying, look, we deserve to be in the majority,
this is what we're going to offer you. we're going to offer you a better tomorrow. we're going to offer you hope. that way you don't have to worry about where your food is coming from and what you are going to do for work. you have a bright future ahead of you with us in the majority. they have to stop looking back at conspiracy theories. they have to stop looking back at what they should have or could have had or what they thought they should have or could have had and start giving people something to hold on to. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. we mentioned the far right focus on conspiracies about the election based on the big lie. a key focal point is that so-called audit in arizona that we have been following closely. it was supposed to finish already, so we thought. what is the latest chapter in all of this with this so-called audit? >> it's a bizarre chapter. we have been following and watching on the floor.
it's a hand count. they were looking at each ballot. that part allegedly is done. you can look at this now as the sequel you didn't want. what we saw -- let me catch you up to date. if you look at this picture. we saw the ballots being boxed up, moved out of the coliseum, brought across the arizona state fairgrounds on these trucks and delivered to a storage facility. look at this next video clip. this is from about a week ago. this facility looked like you would expect, storage. the ballots are boxed up. there's nothing happening. it looks like a ring camera. suddenly, there was activity. this morning, if you look at this next video clip, suddenly there were two counters, paper counters that were delivered. with are now told it's not a hand count. it's a machine count. these machines are going to
count each ballot. they're not going to look at what's on the ballot. they're going to count the ballot. the arizona audit spokesman tells me the reason they're doing this is to double and triple check what the contractor has done, cyber ninjas. he is calling basically cleaning up. what does that mean? i don't know. i talked to a number of people, elections officials, national election officials, and they are looking at this scratching their heads saying they just don't know what's happening, anderson. >> just to be clear, whatever they announce, there's no -- i say this every time. but i just think, it makes -- us reporting on this makes it seem like they're going to issue a report and we will hear the numbers and hear what that machine said the numbers of the ballots were. they can say any number they want and there's no authoritative source to say, this is true or not, because this is just a private audit
that they claim to be doing. >> it's an exercise. i mean, that's really the best way to look at it. numerous officials, election officials, republicans and democrats say, this ain't an audit. what's happening here is a partisan-driven exercise that almost seems like a hunt for nothing. no one can figure out what's happening. they're not updating anybody about what they are finding. every day there's a new surprise. if there is a report -- i'm going to stress if. because we're told there's going to be a report some day. what we are hearing in advance is that real experts in the election space -- remember, we are talking about one of the pillars of democracy here, the vote. that it should not be bullied, anderson. >> yeah. appreciate it. thank you very much. president biden calling up russia's president, warning him
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president biden hinted the u.s. may get more aggressive. >> the u.s. response has been to exercise sanctions for this activity. does it make sense for the u.s. to take it up a notch and attack the servers that are used? >> yes. >> kaitlan collins joins us with more. you have been reporting on the dealings with putin. what more do we know about what prompted this call and what was said? >> after talking to white house officials, they argued that the main reason behind this call today just coming three weeks after the summit in geneva where they met was that ransomware attack that happened over july 4th. it was an attack on a small florida company that handles software for hundreds of businesses. it paralyzed them. it did speak to the nature of the threat from these attacks.
we were told that was what was behind the call where president biden confronted putin over the attacks, urged him to crack down on them, even if they are not carried out by the russian government, per se. this is similar to a warning he gave three weeks ago in geneva. you remember then we had a testy exchange when i asked him if he thought putin was going to change his behavior given he has not done so for other u.s. presidents. >> i'm not confident -- when did i say i was confident? you what i said was -- let's get it straight. i said, what will change the behavior is the rest of the world reacts to them and it diminishes their standing in the world. i'm not confident of anything. i'm stating a fact. >> given his past behavior has not changed and in that press conference after sitting down with you for several hours, he
did denied any involvement in cyberattacks, he downplayed human rights abuss, s abuses. how does that account to a constructive meeting? >> if you don't understand that, you are in your own business. >> just be clear. what if anything has changed between the u.s. and russia you had that encounter since he met with putin? he is talking about better communication, about consequences and ratcheting things up. >> it's not clear that anything has changed. of course, it has been three weeks. this was really an area the white house had wanted to focus on. of course, they know putin is not going to change a lot of his bow haf behavi behaviors. when it comes to these attacks, the white house is concerned. you have seen the threat they can pose and the disruption they can cause to everyday lives. what president biden said today after their phone conversation was he felt optimistic. he felt he could send a message
to putin. he did talk about how american officials and russian officials are going to talk on cyber crimes next week. whether or not anything actually comes out of that seems very unlikely or skeptical at best. you saw the kremlin readout of the call. they cast doubt that any of the attacks are carried out in russian territory, even though the white house has said repeatedly, it's the cyber gangs, they are based in russia, they know that. russia not alleging -- or not acknowledging they are in russian territory. it remains to be seen. the president feels good about it. these attacks are incredibly serious to the white house and we will see what putin does going forward. >> thanks very much. white house facing ethics concerns over an upcoming sale of paintings by hunter biden, pricey paintings. >> reporter: these paintings by president biden's son hunter are sparking ethics concerns for the
white house. his artwork is set to be display and sold in new york city, priced between $75,000 to half a million dollars per piece. some ethics experts are crying foul. >> it just is implausible that this art from an unknown artist would be selling at this price if it didn't have the biden name attached to it. t you get to say you own art created by the president's son. >> reporter: some art critics agree. >> for a first-time artist it's out of scale with normal pricing. they are generic paintings. they are technically skilled in a certain way, but they don't have any life behind them. >> reporter: sources tell cnn the white haas has been involved in forming a deal between a soho new york gallery owner and hunter biden to attempt to address any ethics concerns. two sources familiar with the
arrangement say neither hunter or the administration will have knowledge of who has bid or purchased the artwork. it will be kept anonymous. if there's any unusual behavior, like the offer price is too high, the gallery is expected to turn down the offer. >> the right answer would have been to agree publically to disclose the names of these purchasers. the public could have tracked whether or not these buyers were getting preferential access in return for paying outrageous amounts. >> reporter: at the start of his administration, president biden vowed to avoid the perception of conflict of interest. >> i said, the foul line is 15 feet away from the basket. never get me closer than 17 feet. it really is a matter of the public trust. >> reporter: white house responded to questions over the sale of hunter's art. >> after careful consideration,
a system has been established that allows for hunter to work in his profession within reasonable safeguards. i think it would be challenging for an anonymous person who we don't know and hunter biden doesn't know to have influence. that's a protection. >> reporter: on the website, hunter's biography does not mention he is the son of the president. detailing his art style and describing him as someone who has devoted his career to the visual arts. in the past, hunter has been open with his battle with drug addiction and has suggested that art helps, telling "the new york times" that painting puts my energy towards something positive. it keeps me away from people and places where i shouldn't be. this isn't first time family members of presidents blurred ethical lines. in the '70s, president carter's brother promoted billy beer. >> started manufacturing the beer back in the '70s. >> reporter: more recently, the trump family.
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last night we brought you news of the arrest of some of those the haitian government says are responsible for the death of the president. these are some of the pictures. there's breaking news from haiti. the government is asking the united states to send troops to protect the airport, infrastructure and the ports in the wake of the assassination of the country's president. the elections minister said the request was 500 troops. the white house says tonight the fbi and dhs officials will be on their way to the island, quote, as soon as possible. this as the mystery around the motive of the assassination still swirls as well as the manhunt for some of those who the government says are the killers. matt rivers is the only international journalist who made it into the country. he went to the site of one building where a fire ffight to
place. >> reporter: just by looking around at the damage here, you can tell just how ferocious this battle was. look up here in the ceiling. it's a concrete ceiling. there are multiple bullet holes. there are dozens like that across this building. if you come over here, look at this detail. these are the bullet holes left behind after multiple rounds pierced this metal window frame. if you step back, you can see this was an entire wall of windows and frames that is basically just gone. this damage just extends throughout this entire building. walking into this room, you can see lots more bullet holes in the concrete ceiling. in here, more damage. windows just entirely blown out. more bullet holes. here is the thing. there are still suspects on the loose after this assassination. it make u.s. think that could there be more confrontations like this in store over the coming days and weeks? >> matt rivers joins us now. is there an active manhunt for
these -- for what have been described as more suspects? the airport, the border with the dominican republic was shut down after the assassination. i would assume they would still be around and visible at the very least. >> reporter: absolutely. manhunt is happening right now to the point where we got an update just a few hours ago with haitian authorities saying that the number of detainees had increased from 17 to 20. they had been looking for eight remaining suspects. now that number is down to five. they are clearly continuing to conduct sweeps across port-au-prince. there's a big police presence across the city as we have seen throughout our time here so far. this is very much an ongoing operation. however, there's a lot of differing information coming out of the government. it's been difficult, frankly, to get an actual pinpoint on what is happening here. take, for example, the fact that 26 columbian nationals as of yesterday, according to haitian
officials, were involved in this. today somehow that number dropped down to 20. they didn't provide an explanation for that. they just simply changed the number without saying. that goes very much in line to what is happening here in terms of the government not giving us a lot of information about motive, for example. what exactly is happening when these foreign nationals come here, they arrive here and there is no motive given at the time for why this country's president was assassinated. the government hasn't addressed that question. they haven't addressed who the financer might be. they haven't addressed who the mastermind might be. this is a huge mystery with haitians not understanding what happened to their president. >> has the u.s. responded to the request to send u.s. troops? >> reporter: basically, they were non-committal in washington, d.c. today, both the
pentagon and the state department not really giving an answer to that request by the haitians. it's not clear that they're going to send those troops. without going into a huge history lesson here about haiti, over the last 100 years, foreign troops being placed on this island has gone wrong very, very, very often. it's not clear that the united states will actually want to send troops here to protect infrastructure as the haitian government says they want them to. it's not clear that the people of haiti, should u.s. troops appear here even in a protective capacity, it's not clear the haitian people would welcome their presence. >> i was there i think it was '95 when troops went to restore the president to power. i think that was the last time the u.s. sent a large conty tint of soldiers. a conversation with a tv
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this weekend, here on cnn, you will get a behind-the-scenes look at your favorite sitcoms from across the decades. the characters you can't stop laughing at and the situations you can't get enough of. here is a sneak peek of the new cnn original series, "the history of the sitcom." >> at the beginning of his career and was looking to find a show that he could really make his own, and he was turned on to a british series called "till death do us part." >> it was about a bigoted father. i said, holy moly. that was the way i grew up. and i knew i had -- i had a show. >> that is famed-tv sitcom creator, norman leer, he is a legend and extraordinary career he's had. giving some insight on how i came up with the groundbreaking sitcom. executive producer of i carry you with me, and just a girl who
decided to go for it. and i didn't mention he is about to turn 99. we recently talked about all of this. take a look. >> mr. leer, thank you so much for joining us. i am such an admirer of your work and your career. i don't think anyone can describe the impact "all in the family," for instance, had on american-tv culture. what other personal experiences have you drawn from, when -- you know, when thinking about creating a show? >> i -- i've been a good listener, all my life. and i've paid a lot of attention. i came from a family that -- that lived at the top of its lungs and the end of its nerves. and i paid a lot of attention to all of that. so people we have worked to collaborate with and -- and -- and put on the screen are, all, people i have lived with, in a sense. certain parts of all of them. >> it's -- i mean, it's extraordinary, when you look
back, how your shows -- i mean, you were tackling some of the toughest social, cultural, political topics of the day. i mean, i remember, as a kid, watching "all in the family." and all the things that were discussed, and it would spark discussions in my family with -- with my parents. why do you think it's important for -- for -- for sitcoms to kind of take on that material? and do you think they, still, do? >> you know, i didn't think i was taking on anything, in that sense. what we dealt with were problems that, if we hadn't, as a family, lived through them, we had cousins and relatives that did. or neighbors, up the street, down the street, across the street. we were living through every problem that "all in the family" dealt with. >> you are, also, i understand, going to be 99 on july 27th, which is just amazing and extraordinary. and you look great. and you sound grate.
great. >> thank you. >> what is -- what's your secret to the career that you have had to be on -- really on sort of the cutting edge of -- of culture and forward thinking? what is -- what's your secret? >> i think that's a secret. there are two little words i don't think we pay enough attention to. over and next. when something is over, it is over. and we are onto next. and if there was a hammock in the middle, that would be the best way i know of identifying living in the moment. so i like to think in the moment. i spent the last [ inaudible ] since i knew we were going to be talking. looking forward to this moment. and i adore living it.
>> i adore living it, too. i'm glad we're living it, together. but -- but you can do that. you can do that. you can -- you can say some th thing's over and on to the next. >> on to the next, yes. and, you know, i think, i see that in you, as i watch you every evening. delighting in that moment. >> hmm. i -- i -- for me, it's a battle to -- to be present, in each moment. and that's something i -- i try to do and work on, a lot. but i love that -- that -- that you're able to do that and that you're focused on that. >> yeah. i think about that a lot. you know, i have never driven up -- we live on a hillside. i never drove up the hill. without thinking i'm seeing another tree for the first time, or another something for the first time. and -- and marveling at it.
>> i -- well, i love that. that's a good ending for -- for our little talk. norman leer, it truly is just an extraordinary honor to talk to you. it's -- you have done so much for so many people, i really appreciate it. >> i couldn't appreciate those words or you more. thank you. >> well, thank you. and my -- my best to your wife and your family. thank you so much. be sure to tune in the all new cnn original series "the history of the sitcom." premieres with back-to-back episodes sunday 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific, only on cnn. really is a legend. when we come back. remembering an american hero.
of solely african-american soldiers. their mission? to float and then defend huge hydrogen-filled balloons from the beaches of normandy to protect american troops from air assaults. his wife said his optimism had served him well over the years. among the many honors he's received, it was the prestigious french legion of honor. henry died on july 4th. he was 99 years old. we wish his family the best, and we thank him and them for their service. the news continues. want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris. >> well said, anderson. i am chris cuomo and welcome to prime time. the trump electeds in congress say they accept the election results. but listen to what is passing for conservative think at cpac. >> that here, in texas, we stand with president trump. and in 2024, trumpism will rise, again. >> god bless you, president trump.