tv New Day With John Berman and Brianna Keilar CNN July 9, 2021 4:00am-5:00am PDT
so this morning, debate over the issue of whether there is waning immunity to coronavirus from the vaccines. pfizer says it has seen immunity from its two dose shot weaken over time and it is applying for authorization for a covid booster shot. to that, both the cdc and fda say not necessary, not now. they say americans who are fully vaccinated do not need boosters right now. their joint statement adds, i should say, it is not up to companies alone to decide when boosters might be needed. >> so this follows news from the israeli government this week that the effectiveness of the pfizer vaccine dropped from about 95% to 64%. we're not talking about serious illness here. we're talking about the actual catching of coronavirus. and that this drop has happened as the delta variant has spread. right now covid cases are rising
in the u.s. in half of the states here. so, let's talk with an expert. >> joining me is dr. carlos del rio, executive associate dean of emory university school of medicine at grady health system and also served as investigator in phase 3 of moderna's coronavirus vaccine study. dr. del rio, do americans need a booster shot? all right. i think your answer is a mystery to the american people because i do not think we can hear you. dr. del rio, are you there? can we check with you again? all right. listen, we're going to get dr. del rio's audio up because these are really important questions to answer, so much more on coronavirus and the vaccines in just a moment. breaking overnight -- >> we do him. >> oh, great. let's go back. >> dr. del rio, you're back. >> yeah. >> listen, do you think
americans need coronavirus booster shots? >> john, sorry for that. no, the answer to that is no. at this point in time americans don't need booster shots. what americans need is to be immunized. if you haven't been vaccinated the delta variant is a serious problem. if you received your full i immunization two doses of pfizer and moderna you do not need a booster shot at this point in time. >> more americans need their first shots you think than americans who need a third shot, a booster shot. why is it do you think that the cdc the fda, the nih came out so quickly with this statement, a statement i've never seen anything like before frankly where they're saying, not so fast. the boosters aren't necessary according to our data right now. >> well, i don't know but obviously was in response to the requests from pfizer, the request from pfizer is very confusing. it says we're seeing waning immunity. john, we're not seeing that waning immunity. the data has come out several studies here from not only the u.s., one from france and my
colleagues here at emory showing that, yes, the delta variant is more resistant to antibodies but if you received two doses of vaccine, even though the level of antibody to counteract that strain is still sufficient to do so. delta is not an excuse to get an additional shot. we also know, john, it's still highly effective preventing severe disease and death. israel does a lot of testing and a lot of those people are vaccinated and asymptomatically affected. >> is that just getting ahead of the game? what do you think pfizer is doing here? >> well, i think they're doing what they do, which is try to sell their products. i think more importantly right now and i would encourage the fda to do this is to actually review the biological applications that pfizer and moderna submitted and actually give full fda approval to those
vaccines. we need the coronavirus vaccines to receive full approval and no longer be under emergency use authorization. >> dr. del rio, thank you for bearing through the technical issues. >> not a problem, john. ♪ breaking overnight, the taliban is now claiming to control 85% of territory in afghanistan as insurgent fighters advance across the country. president biden yesterday defended his decision to pull u.s. troops out of the country, saying that it is now up to the afghans to defend their own country. >> nearly 20 years of experience has shown us that the current security situation only confirms that just one more year of fighting in afghanistan is not a solution. but a recipe for being there indefinitely. i will not send another generation of americans to war in afghanistan with no reasonable expectation of
achieving a different outcome. >> let's talk now with pentagon spokesman john kirby. sir, thank you so much for being with us. and can you comment on that. the taliban saying it now controls 85% of afghanistan's territory. is that true? >> well, what we have seen is deteriorating security situation on the ground, no question about that. that the taliban continues to take district centers. i'm not in a position to quantify or to validate their -- what their assessment is, but we are seeing them continue to advance on district centers around the country. and it is concerning. and it's all the more reason as the president said yesterday for us to want to see a political solution and end to this fighting and for the taliban to come to the negotiating table and try to come together on a settlement that's good for the afghan people and afghan security going forward and it's also time and the president talked about this yesterday, brianna, for afghan forces to show the capacity and the capability that we know that
they have. they are brave. they are fighters. they have taken a lot of casualties the last year. we know they're willing to defend their country and we're going to help them do that, but really it's their job to do that now. >> i think it's key, though, that you're not shooting this down. you're not saying that the 85% here is wrong. we should also point out that as we heard from the president yesterday, he was talking about the official end date here being the very end of august, so we're not there yet. and it sounds like you're not necessarily saying that the taliban is incorrect, just about controlling already the vast majority of afghanistan. >> well, i don't want to get in the business of validating their public statements and assessmenteds about what they think they have-. you know this, brianna, i will tell you this, that claiming territory or claiming ground doesn't mean you can sustain that or keep it over time. and so i think it's really time for afghan forces to get into the field and they are in the field and to defend their country, their people. and they've got capacity. they have capability.
they have an air force. an air force by the way that we're continuing to fund and support. we're giving them another 30 plus black hawk helicopters here, two coming this month as well as other strike aircraft. they've got modern weaponry. they've had training and the ability to be in the field with american forces much over the last 20 years. they've got the capacity. they've got the capability. now it's time to have that will. >> well, i want to ask you about that because yesterday the president repeatedly emphasized that there are more afghan forces than the taliban. he's saying this is up to afghan forces to do this and he said the likelihood of the taliban overrunning everything, that's what he said, and owning the whole country that's a quote from him, is unlikely. but at this point, i mean, what you've seen is -- i hear what you're saying, but we're talking about afghan forces who actually had u.s. assistance in person up until this point, now they're not going to have this. and they have already here recently suffered these key losses including major trade
routes. so how can he be so sure that they aren't going to overrun everything and own everything? >> well, obviously we're watching this koesly and nobody can say with certainly. the president is right. that it's not a fore gone conclusion and nobody should think it's a fore gone conclusion that the taliban are going to swiftly take over the whole country. it doesn't have to be that way and it's not like the afghans are going to be doing this without our help or help of our nato al lice as well. that help will transition. it won't be face to face or on the ground, but we'll continue to support them financially, help them with salaries for their soldiers and maintain their aircraft outside the country. so we're still going to be a presence there to help them do this. but it really is going to be up to them to do this. it is not inevitable the taliban will take over the country in kabul. the afghan soldiers have been in
the lead over the last year of the great majority of missions inside their country, even before the president ordered the draw down. they were in the lead in the vast majority of those missions. they know how to do this. they know what the responsibilities are before them and it's important for them to know that we'll be with them in a different way for sure but we'll be with them going forward. >> afghan translators and also afghans who provided other services to u.s. forces and u.s. civilians at considerable risk. really the risk of death to themselves and to their families. can you guarantee that every one of them who wants help, who needs to escape because they are at risk, will have that assistance? >> what i can tell you, brianna, is that we know here in the pentagon that we have an obligation, a sacred obligation to help those who helped us. i can say with certainty that we're at the department of defense we're going to do everything we can inside the u.s. government efforts to get those who are qualified through
this siv program out of the country if that's what you want to do. you heard the president talk yesterday of the couple thousand or so who reached that level where we can start to process them for -- to get out of the country, less than half of them have shown a willingness to do that. >> why is that, sir? why is it that less than half? i know in some cases you have interpreters and other afghans who helped the u.s., they want to leave with their families. right? because they leave, their family is behind, their family gets killed by the taliban. i hear him saying less than half of them said they want to leave. are you trying to say they want to stay in afghanistan, that they're not worried about staying and risking their lives by staying? >> brianna, i can't speak for these families and what the personal decisions they want to make. what i can tell you that we're going to be prepared here at d.o.d. to help facilitate their transportation out of the country if that's what they want to do. and their families as well. if that's what they want to do. and what we're doing right now is looking for locations
overseas, u.s. instillations and perhaps instillations in other countries to allow for them to have some sort of temporary residence while they complete the process. at the end of the process, brianna, some may want to come to the united states. some may not want to come to united states, but we're just not there yet. we're focussed on meeting the obligation, you eloquently talked to in your first question to me, we know we have to help them because they helped us. we're absolutely committed to doing that. >> the president was asked about this yesterday, why can't -- i think we're talking about the better part of almost 100,000 people here, maybe more who are -- helped the u.s. or their family members. he was asked why can't they come to the u.s. as they await the visa process. and he said that's up to congress. are you -- is the administration actively lobbying congress to address that? and do you have any hopes of doing that in this hyperpartisan environment especially when it comes to the issue of immigration. >> we're working with congress to expand and accelerate the siv program.
you heard secretary state blinken talk to this. we do need congressional relief to be able to expand and accelerate this program. right now given the numbers that we're working with, we think the best solution is some overseas locations where we can have either the d.o.d. owns or that we have access to or we will be able to support to get them temporary location while they work through this process. we think that's the most efficient way and safest way to handle this. and again after they get through the process, if they want to come to the united states the president couldn't have been more clear yesterday, they're going to be welcome here in the united states. >> there is, we should note, a small force of american forces that will remain behind in order to protect u.s. diplomatic efforts, the u.s. embassy in kabul there. >> right. >> the president yesterday said when asked if this is going to be something akin to the fall of saigon, there will be no circumstances you see people lifted off the roof of the embassy in kabul. how can he be so sure of that?
>> we don't think the situation will devolve into that right now. the forces that we're going to have in the country will be robust enough to help defend the work of our diplomats. that's going to be the focus. another part of that is, of course, helping make sure that the airport is secure there in kabul because you need airport logistics in order to support a diplomatic presence. we're working through the details of what that's going to look like, but we think that that diplomatic presence can sustain itself and will be there, we'll help defend it and that's what our focus is on. >> certainly american forces overall served honorably in afghanistan and did what they were asked, but you know, having spoken with a lot of veterans and family members and even some active duty folks i have heard so many ask what was this all for? even as they are proud that they fulfilled their commitment to their country. 2448 killed, more than 20,000 injured and the president said that he was yesterday honoring the significance as he put it of
what the u.s. military and civilians accomplished in afghanistan. what is the significance of what they accomplished? >> one major significant thing, brianna, is this country has not been attacked since 9/11 on our own homeland and terrorist threats emanating out of afghanistan. that threat has been diminished. i'm not going to say there aren't still terrorist groups in afghanistan who might have designs against american interests but their threat is greatly diminished. our men and women in uniform as well as afghan soldiers and nato allies can take great pride in the fact that afghanistan has not become a safe haven for terrorists that can threaten our homeland since 9/11. that is a huge accomplishment. not to mention eventually getting osama bin laden and defeating the international threat that al qaeda once posed. that's a great accomplishment. as well as helping the afghan
people and the afghan government reach a level of representative government so that other progress could be made on the ground particularly with respect to education and advancement of women and girls. there's been a lot of changes in afghanistan. if you fly over kabul today and i was there not long ago, the sites, the bustle of kabul is something that was just not present even 10, 15 years ago. so there's been a lot of progress, but the main mission, the purpose for us going in has been accomplished. afghanistan is not a safe haven for terrorist attacks on our homeland again. and we're going to make sure that doesn't happen again through over the horizon counterterrorism capabilities we'll remain in the region. i want to turn to the russian hacking attacks on u.s. interests and these have gone on before and since that summit between president biden and vladimir putin where the president warned vladimir putin, is putin ignoring biden's
warning? >> well, we certainly hope not. the president was very clear about how seriously we take these threats. and that these certainly these ransomware attacks are emanating from russia and that there is a sense of responsibility that moscow should feel over that. and that if they don't, there will be consequences. i think the president has been crystal clear about how seriously we're taking this and about the potential repercussions for moscow if they don't do something about it. >> is the nation on a war footing right now when it comes to cyberattacks? >> i don't think we want to be on a war footing for cyberattacks, brianna. that's certainly not where we want to be. but we are in a state of individual lens, obviously and we have to continue to work on the resilience of our networks and our capabilities and to be able to have options available to the president should he want to use them. some options in the cyber world, options outside the cyber world. that's what we do here at d.o.d. to have those kinds of options but nobody wants to see this become a war footing or an era
of conflict. there's no reason for that if nations like russia, if leaders like vladimir putin are willing to act responsibly in the cyberspace. >> john kirby, thank you so much joining us live this morning from the pentagon. >> my pleasure. thank you. want to bring in kaitlan collins. i find john kirby's language and the language of the president so specific and so revealing in many ways. you know, kirby there says, i don't think this will be. we don't think this will be like the fall of saigon. we hope the afghan troops can contain the taliban. you know, we don't know that the taliban now controls 85% of the country. so, uncertainty there, but what kirby and the president both say is that what we know they say is we know that by staying we're not going to make things better. this seems like a clear choice in messaging right now. >> yeah. you did not see the president waiver at all yesterday when he was defending this decision very
steadfast and saying he was clear eyed when he made this decision. that he knew the violence that we are now seeing on the ground could happen. seeing the taliban gain more ground by the day. saying that that is something they were well aware of when he made this decision, but the way that president biden framed it yesterday is that he felt like he had few good options given that his predecessor struck that agreement with the taliban to remove troops by may and the way he was looking at it was not that just if he broke that agreement, u.s. troops would stay there, he was worried about them coming under attack by the taliban and having to send more troops to the area. that is what he said he felt like he was looking at. but i think one really notable part of what john kirby was saying there and the president was saying yesterday is really it's out of the united states' hands. nations have gone there, no one has been able to change the course of afghanistan. they did not feel like the u.s. military is going to be able to do that. so essentially what they're arguing while sending this duelling message they will still
be there to prop up and support some of the afghanistan military is that this is not our responsibility and it's not going to change and so why are we continuing to spend u.s. lives, u.s. forces and u.s. money there if nothing is changing ultimately. >> i haven't spoken to anyone who thinks that the picture that he painted of the abilities of afghan forces isn't a bit rosy i think as you talked about it last hour, john berman. it certainly is. so he is painting an optimistic picture of their abilities. we have seen their abilities. there are certainly many challenges there. but i do want to turn to cyberattacks because i know you have spoken to the president multiple times and asked him about his response to cyberattacks carried out from within russia if not by russia. >> this is what is so critical because it's only been a matter of weeks since his summit with vladimir putin where he laid down the gauntlet saying that you need to stop or crack down on these cyber crimes not necessarily the ones being conducted by the russian
government, the intelligence arm of the russian government but the other ones believed by these cyber gangs harbored in russia and basically laid out a list saying this is crossing a line for me if you continue to go after these entities and go after these areas. arguably, this global ransomware attack we saw happen over the weekend would technically cross one of those lines. the big question is going to be how is the u.s. going to respond and we have not gotten a good idea of that from the white house yet because we do know that he met with his team at the white house this week. he said after he would deliver a message to the russian president. the white house said that it's not necessarily a verbal message but the question is well, is it an operational one? are we going to see something tang blg happen as a u.s. response to this. the interaction i had with the president we were talking about whether putin would change his behavior, he believed he would
only if there would be pressure from the world democracies. is there pressure from the united states from these brazen attacks that have continued to go forward. >> will we know? will they be viz to believe the rest of the world or us publicly is very interesting as we watch that. "the wall street journal's" michael bender, friend and great reporter has a new book coming out where he details an encounter between president trump and vice president mike pence, former, in 2018. pence's political committee hired cory lewandowski he crumbled the article, so disloyal. mr. pence lost it. pence picked up the article and threw it back at trump. he leaned toward the president and pointed a finger a few inches from his chest. we walk you through every detail of this, pence snarled. we did this for you as a favor and this is how you respond? you need to get your facts
straight. so, i think this episode is depicted by michael comes as a surprise to all of us who didn't think mike pence ever stood up to donald trump in any form or fashion here and seems a bit of contrast to how he at least publicly spoke out against the president prior to january 6th. >> yeah. two things are revealing from this part of bender's new book and that is that, yes, this relationship between the president and the former president and the former vice president was never as rosy as it seemed. often in public you would see mike pence talking about trump's broad shoulders and his leadership and all of that, behind the scenes of course he was very delicately navigating a relationship with a mercurial president ready to turn at him at any moment and there were moments like this at times where if it wasn't pence it was his staff and this was a moment where i remember when they did hire cory lewandowski, pence allies who rolled their eyes but he obviously did it as a favor to the former president.
and so, also it's also revealing of how trump's decision and his view of things is often based on the coverage. even if he is involved in a decision and he ultimately plays a role and it's a decision made because people think it will please him, but he doesn't like how it's later portrayed in the media, then he blames other people it was a telling aspect of so many parts of the trump era but including this one. >> kaitlan collins, great to have you on this morning. thanks so much. coming up, kevin mccarthy's struggle to keep his most outspoken members in line. we have new reporting from capitol hill. and japan's government moving to ban spectators from the upcoming olympic games as covid cases rise. what does this mean for the athletes? we'll have diving legend greg luganis joining us next .
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♪ japan is reversing course on its olympic plans. it is banning all spectators from attending the summer games. tokyo is entering its fourth state of emergency as cases there are rising rapidly. only 15% of the country right now is fully vaccinated. let's discuss these upcoming games here with five-time u.s. olympic diving gold medalist greg louganis with us this morning. greg, it's wonderful to have you on the program this morning. i know you're watching the games with a lot of excitement. you're a mentor to current olympic athletes and of course you're an athlete yourself. how much does this state of emergency that is hanging over this and the lack of spectators worry you? >> it doesn't really worry me so
much because ultimately as an athlete and as an elite athlete, you're focussed on your performance and so, a lot of this other stuff can be noise. so, it may even calm down some of the noise for some of the athletes. but, you know, them focussing on the job that they're doing, the one thing that i will say is that because there's -- when you get going to an olympic venue, it's like there's an energy. it's palpable and you can feel that energy. and that's what really kind of pushes many performances into world class or world record breaking performances, you know, that energy of that. so i have a feeling we'll see less world records broken, but also there's been the challenge of training during covid. you know, a lot of athletes -- some of the athletes have had opportunity to train.
others didn't have the availability for training. so, you know, it's been really uneven. it will be an interesting olympics. >> it's so interesting to hear you say that because i think there's been studies done that show when people have a little bit of nerves or under scrutiny or the spotlight is on them if they're very good at what they do it even pushes them further towards mastery of that. so you think that maybe they're not going to have that element of this competition. >> well, you know, inspired performances, i mean, how are they inspired? it's through the energy of the masses that are watching, that are being a part of that. because it's a collective, it's a collective energy. and so, you know, it's it will be interesting to see how the athletes respond and perform. ultimately they can only focus on what they're in control of, which is not a whole lot. it's their own performance. you know, the other stuff, the
covid, no control over that. no spectators, no control over that. so, ultimately it's in their hands. their performance and how well they do. >> we're witnessing, i think, the blinders that these athletes can have on that really allow them to compartmentalize and focus on their performance, but at the same time, games as you know are remembered for their controversies and there have been a lot in the past few weeks. you had international swimming the federation that has barred swimming caps designed for athletes with natural hair styles, that obviously came under scrutiny. the hammer thrower turning from the flag on the national podium. sha'carri richardson's ban marijuana and her response to that. how is that going to change the games if not how the athletes are executing their performances this year? >> you know, it's -- it really is up to the athlete and what they want to focus on.
what do you put your focus on. and if that focus is beneficial to your performance or if it detracts from your performance. so ultimately you have to pick and choose what you put your energy into and where you put your focus because where your attention goes, focus goes, your energy goes and, you know, so that's -- it's your responsibility to take care of that. >> okay. for other huge greg louganis fans besides myself, tell us about this future film about yourself that's releasing? >> oh my god, it's really exciting because they're going through casting. everybody is asking me, who do you want to play you? i don't know. i don't know. but, yeah, we've got incredible script. matthew wilder wrote the script. and so it's real exciting. it's coming together. oh my god, it's happening. >> it is happening. i can't wait to see it and i
can't wait to see who plays you. hopefully we'll have answers to that soon. greg, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> so if at first you don't succeed, try, try again and again and again. what arizona republicans are now planning to do as their bogus election audit winds down. and just in, an arrest in the triple murder mystery on a georgia golf course. the world's first fully autonomous vehicle is almost at the finish line
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election. joining me now is reporter for the arizona republican, jen, you're part of the team that broke this story overnight and i read this and i said, what? i mean, there's this audit which in and of itself has a ton of questions surrounding it and now the republican-led state senate will recount it again after that? what's going on here? >> well, first, thank you so much for having me. yes, so the state senate republicans have started their recount on april 23rd, that's more than two months ago, they were packing up the ballots and already to ship them back to the counties saying their recount was complete and then yesterday our reporter was there on the scene and senator karen told her later we are going to actually recount the ballots again. this is recounting the ballots this time, not the votes. she said it's a triple check.
meanwhile, it doesn't look like cyber ninjas, the lead contractor is involved in this one. so maybe they want to compare what they get to the cyber anyoni ninja, bottom line, this extended way past the original may 14th deadline and we're still here in july and it may take another week or two, they say. they bought these counting machines that can count ballots very quickly. so we'll see. you know, they've said this final report is coming out in august. but yet that's been pushed back as well. >> i mean, jessica, you could just recount ballots forever. just keep counting them. count them again and again to infinity. that's honestly what it practically seems like here. >> you know, i think that that is the answer when you don't get the result that you want. you just keep trying over and over and over again and one day your spaghetti will stick to the wall. i think that's the message we're getting. >> it really was astounding to read that. we have to learn much more about this and i'm sure we'll hear about it in the coming days.
so, jen, in addition to this, there is this film, i would call it a documentary but i think it probably sits somewhere between the fantasy and fiction world here, funded by the guy from overstock.com among other people and you had a chance to look at this video which deals with the election and something really jumped out at you. and that was what? >> well, a few things jumped out at me. you're right, this is someone who has been raising money for the audit. he just announced on telegram to his followers he put $3.3 million into it, way more than the arizona senate put into it which was 150,000. so this is someone very invested in this audit. he comes out with this movie saying that he has proof of election fraud, meanwhile i didn't see that proof presented in this movie. and then i'm watching it and they're showing the film crew walking through the cage with the ballots. meanwhile the journalists who
tried to get access to the auditor up in the coliseum, not in the nosebleeds but close to it, trying to watch what's going on, obviously they have chain of custody that they've promised that they'll maintain the security of the ballots. so it was shocking to me to see that they had let someone else besides the workers and whoever they had planned to into those ballot cages. >> so jessica, what do you make of this? this is clearly this one would think highly partisan film crew here with a definite point of view allowed right next to the ballots. how unusual is that? >> this is extremely unusual. i have been covering elections since the very beginning of 2016. i have been on dozens of counting floors like the one that jen described. and i have never been allowed access to anything like this. it is very unusual that people not directly working with the counting process would be
allowed to be in this cage, as we're describing it at all. this is a very secure area. the ballots are kept and it is secure for obvious reasons. and so, to allow an untrained, unregistered film crew back there to not only be near the ballots but to actually film them is so insecure that it's almost laughable. i would have a difficult time believing it if we had not just witnessed two months of complete calamity at the hands of cyber ninjas and their various koe conspirators here. >> jessica, jen, thanks to both of you. appreciate it. so kevin mccarthy facing a serious leadership test here. new reporting on his attempts to reign in some of his party's most extreme members. ♪
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♪ just in to cnn a top adviser to house republican leader kevin mccarthy was involved in a behind the scenes effort to rehabilitate the reputation of congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. this adviser facilitator taylor green's visit to the holocaust memorial from last month after which she publicly apologized for her anti-semitic remarks. here is the thing though, that remorse didn't stick. she invoked nazi era imagery again this week to mock covid safety practices. here is this fascinating story, interesting this attempt to rehab marjorie taylor greene's didn't work because it wasn't something that was organic for her. >> exactly. the issue for kevin mccarthy he has taken a soft hand touch when it comes to radical members in his conference. he has not punished him.
haul them in and have private meetings with them and learned there's a mentorship program in place where they'll assign senior lawmakers to guide some of the freshman like greene. but it's not working. we have seen these members act out and it's not just greene, there are members in the house republican conference who have spoke at a conference organized by a white nationalist, there are republicans who are suggesting the fbi had something to do with the january 6th insurrection and there are republicans who are essentially defending the rioter who was shot after she stormed the capitol. so, i think for mccarthy it is a question whether this loose parenting style is effective and it's also a huge political risk for him as well because democrats are trying to seize on this, make it a campaign issue in the 2022 midterms. but at the end of the day, the reality for mccarthy, he doesn't want to alienate these group of donald trump aligned republicans whom he will need to count on votes for speaker one day. >> these youngsters think they know everything. where is the parenting, the
actual stepping in? >> exactly. there's been no consequences. there's been no punishment. if you remember, there has been some punishments for some republicans, liz cheney was kicked out of leadership early this year for her repeated criticism of trump and democrats say that's a clear double standard. mccarthy will not punish greene and others who crossed the line at the conference. >> fascinating report, melanie. >> thank you. the characters you can't stop laughing at and the situations you can't get enough of since the beginning of television, sit comes helped generations of americans navigate an ever changing cultural landscape. now the history of the sitcom a behind the scenes look at your favorites from across the decades. here is a preview. >> those were not real people, but they entertained and delighted us. >> all right, kids. dinner is on. we're sitting down. >> when you get to father knows best, it's very patriarchal dealing with tiny little
problems. >> oh, quiet evening at home. i can use it. >> i played bud. bud usually had a problem with the truth telling on some level. >> what was all that racket upstairs? >> i didn't hear anything. >> father knows best represented the good all right. joining us now is annie pots, actor and star of the hit sitcom designing women and young sheldon. thank you so much for being with us. big fan of yours. >> thank you. >> you know, when we talk about the sitcom, it really is part of america since the 1950s. you know, what role do you think they play in our culture? >> well, i mean, i think they're great touch stones for what's really going on. my first memory, or one of them, one of my first memories in life was watching "i love lucie" and
my mother bringing me my bottle. so that kind of started it off just as the american musical is a very american thing, situation come diffi comedies are essentially an american invention. they always reflect society and provoke it sometimes. certainly in the last couple of decades. but, you know, it's a wonderful vehicle for commenting on what's happening in society. >> you talk about how sitcoms in some ways reflect the culture, and in some ways even advance culture. "designing women" is a show like that or was a show like that, four independent women working. talk to me about that show and what role you think it had.
>> well, we were four independent southern women working professionally with a black man in atlanta 30 years ago. think about that. i mean, we were a very edgy political show. our creators wanted that. after the fashion of what norman lear was doing with "all in the family." look what archie bunker did. everybody had an archie bunker in the family, and i mean, every one of those, of course, edith was, you know, the subservient wife, the rebellious daughter, meathead. these are always characters that we can all recognize. >> great to speak with you. thank you so much for joining us this morning.
thank you for all you've done and all the joy you've provided us over the years. >> thank you. my p my privilege. be sure to tune in, "history of sitcom" with back to back episodes 9:00 eastern and pacific only on cnn. (realtor) the previous owners left in a hurry, so the house comes with everything you see. follow me. ♪
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so, forget the so-called war on christmas. it seems there is now a war on history. and some political figures are going in with their guns only half-cocked. john avalon with a reality check. >> you know i love it when we use history on our politics. americans partisan history wars are getting exhausting and just plain wrong. false claims about the founding fathers to a blame game over removing confederate statues in congress to critical race theory panic to the nazi comparisons
some wing nuts just can't seem to quit. that's just in the past few weeks. try to make july 4th into a partisan holiday is exhibit a in missing the freaking point. listen to former president trump press secretary kayleigh mcenany. >> we know most of our forefathers, founding fathers were against slavery, recognized the evils of it. >> i'm a fan of the founding fathers but what she said is not remotely true. john altadena ams and alexander hamilton opposed slavery. george washington had slaves. they need to be understood in the context of their time. but that was the context of their time. a crucial sense of perspective was also missing from this recent congressional debate about finally removing statues and confederate segregationists from capitol hill. >> all the statues being removed by this bill are statues of democrats. >> that's true. but it also willfully misses the larger point.
they were the conservatives of their time. they were primarily southern populists who wanted to conserve slavery and segregation which accounts for 120 house republicans voted against removing confederate statues while all democrats supported it. in the latest game of what aboutism, consivtives are obsessed with critical race theory hoping it will help them win the med terms. it is unclear how many schools are teaching this and good people can disagree about crt. we are seeing gop cancel culture with tennessee trying to ban public schools from teaching any ideas that promote, quote, discomfort, guilt, anguish, or another form of sipsychological distress. it's pretty much unenforceable and almost certainly unconstitutional. the push to ban ideas in the name of patriotism had its root in texas where they pressured a state museum to cancel a book talk about slavery's role in the battle of the alamo. the most sordid front in america's partisan history wars has to do with nazis.
i really can't believe we're debating the nazi legacy in any way, shape or form. marjorie taylor greene just weeks from her supposedly educational visit to the holocaust museum couldn't resist returning to form. comparing efforts to promote vaccines that save lives to nazi-era brown shirt tactics which comes on the heels of her congressional colleague scott perry comparing democrats to nazis. and just before the report that ex-president trump allegedly told his chief of staff john kelly, quote, hitler did a lot of good things. now, he didn't, and we really shouldn't have to hope a former u.s. president or current congresswoman would get schooleds up on basic facts of history before flapping their gums. too many of our leaders treat half baked history like a welch and their cluelessness is killing us by undermining any common sense of facts. which is why at the very least we have to invest in teaching civics again. get this. only a quarter of 8th graders scored proficient or better on a
basic civics test. that's not sustainable for a self-governing society. here's an idea. every graduating high school senior should be required to pass the same basic citizenship test immigrants take when they apply for naturalization because if our leaders keep screwing up basic facts about american history while trying to rewrite history by pedaling the big lie, we're going to need to make sure the next generation recognizes this b.s. and has the ability to hold themselves to a higher standard. that's the reality check. >> i think it's a farah somethfair some don't know the history or willfully manipulating it. >> for sure. >> john avalon, thank you for that. "new day" continues right now. hello, i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman. do americans need booster shots or don't they? the former surgeon general standing by to answer that question. plus texas republicans wince
again trying to make voting more difficult. can democrats stave them off? george conway joins us in a moment. spectators banned from the tokyo games. how disappointing is it for athletes who trained so hard for a shot at glory? olympic medallist ryan lochte joins us live. >> and can you spell history? the first-ever african-american winner of the national spelling bee joins us live. ♪ ♪ good morning to viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is friday, july 9th. tgi friday to you, and there is a cluster of confusion this morning after pfizer says booster shots may be beneficial because there are signs that immunity from its two-dose vaccines is waning over time. but both the cdc and the fda are